I found the county locator I was looking for. Here it is. http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/townco.cgi S Warfield CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > CARPENTER-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 238 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #237 [Sally Warfield <smwarfield@primary] > #2 Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #237 ["C.A.Carpenter ( Chuck's Wood-Knot] > #3 London Merchants II ["Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@whidbey] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CARPENTER-D, send a message to > > CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #237 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:39:51 -0500 > From: Sally Warfield <smwarfield@primary.net> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > I lost my bookmarked place for finding out the county that a city is in. All you > have to do is type in the city and state name and it tells the county. Anybody out > there who can put me back on track of this site? > Thank you. Shirley > > CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: > > > > CARPENTER-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 237 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 Merchant Carpenters 1 ["Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@whidbey] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from CARPENTER-D, send a message to > > > > CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Merchant Carpenters 1 > > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:15:03 -0700 > > From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@whidbey.com> > > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > In previous notices much was said about the London Carpenters from the > > middle 1200s to the time of Richard Carpenter, father of Town Clerk John > > Carpenter. A very early group (1237-42) of Carpenters was seen in Middlesex. > > This group seemed to have been the earliest Carpenter group in the London > > area. A William Carpenter was seen at a slightly later date (C. 1260) in the > > St. Clement Danes’ neighborhood, who must have been the first in a series of > > Carpenters in that St.Clement Danes’ and Fleetstreet area. In particular was > > the wealthy merchant Edward Carpenter. We discovered Richard Carpenter, in > > the 1390s, with the same geographical spread of properties, and residing in > > the same general neighborhood as William and Edward had. However a gap > > existed for the early and middle 1300s. Material now found in the Calendar > > of Letter-Books of the City of London (London, 1903), can now make up for > > this seeming break in the historical record. > > First, a fortuitous felony case provides another family member name for > > Fleetstreet for September 29, 1343. > > > > “Rodger de Norhamptone, “squyler”, taken at the suit of Pain de Mentriche, > > brewer, with the mainour of a cup of mazer, of the value of half a mark, > > feloniously thieved from the said Pain in the parish of St. Bride de > > Fletestreet on Wednesday after the feast of St. Michael, the year aforesaid, > > whereof the said Pain appeals him. Pledges for prosecution, viz., Reginald > > de Thorpe and John Walsheman, “cordewaner.” The said Rodger says he is not > > guilty, and puts himself upon the country. A jury comes by Alexander > > Fraunceys, John Truent, Richard Hert, Alan de Fisshbourne, John Walsheman, > > John de Pymeworth, Simon de Dordright, William de Abyndone, Adam de Oxon’, > > William de Hestone, “cordwaner,” Nicholas le Carpenter, and Richard le > > Sadelere, who say on oath that the said Rodger is guilty. Therefore [let him > > be] hanged. Chattels none.” > > > > A Nicholas le Carpenter had been seen in a 1329 document as the > > owner/captain of a merchant ship, ‘La Cogge Nostre Dame’ in the Southampton > > area, and as the son of a John le Carpenter in York in a 1327 Close Rolls > > notation. In 1308 we found him at the merchant’s fair in Boston with > > probable close relatives Walter and a Gilbert le Carpenter. Later, in 1380, > > a land case survived relating to Richard Carpenter, with the explanation > > that the land in question was, “The same land sometime of Gilbert > > Carpenter.” Richard Carpenter was certainly a relative of Gilbert and the > > other Carpenters of this merchant group with merchant activities and land > > holdings in many coastal areas at the time. > > In the interesting documents that described the salvage activities of a > > French ship in 1305, we were able to assemble the names of relatives of the > > wealthy Edward Carpenter. His wine merchant son Robert was the most notable, > > supplying wine to the royal household. Also however, were relatives Martin, > > William and John Carpenter. This John could easily have been the father of > > Nicholas, a wine merchant as was his likely uncle, Robert. Also the Jean le > > Carpenter “merchant”, who was granted a charter to export wool in 1273, > > could be the above John Carpenter as well. > > The William Carpenter that appears in the salvage disposition of 1305, > > seems to appear in many 1300s London documents. He is an interesting > > Carpenter merchant who belongs to the very influential “pepperer and spicer” > > guild. This organization was one of the major five merchant organizations > > and had a wide range of activity, including wine import and wool export. The > > community ranking of this William Carpenter can be seen from the fact that > > his opinion was officially sought in a citywide law case concerning legal > > membership in the merchant’s guild (Calendar of Letter Books, E, pp. > > 119-20). > > > > “Writ to the Mayor and Sheriffs for an inquiry to be held as to whether > > Herman Swart de Sussalt, Conred ate Broke de Grippeswold were merchants of > > the Hanse of Almaine in England at the time…” > > > > “The jury, viz., William de Flete, Reginald de Conduit, John Saleman, John > > de Pampesworth, Thomas de Donlee, William de Garton, William le Carpenter, > > spicer,…”. > > > > William’s community importance is underlined in a 1320 notation that records > > his involvement in a substantial loan > > (a favorite medieval Carpenter activity) to the king for a thousand pounds > > (see same above, pp. 126-9). A family connection of this wealthy and > > powerful merchant Carpenter to his contemporary Edward Carpenter of St. > > Clement Danes’ seems most probable. The above is suggestive of family > > connections between merchant Carpenters Gilbert, Edward and William, and the > > above three with a Richard Carpenter in the later 1300s (to be continued). > > > > Bruce E. Carpenter > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #237 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:56:48 -0400 > From: "C.A.Carpenter ( Chuck's Wood-Knots)" <chuck2@evcom.net> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > At 10:39 AM 10/2/1999 -0500, Sally Warfield wrote: > >I lost my bookmarked place for finding out the county that a city is in. > >All you > >have to do is type in the city and state name and it tells the county. > >Anybody out > >there who can put me back on track of this site? > >Thank you. Shirley > > http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html > > Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: > http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html > > Carpenter Genealogy at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: London Merchants II > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:16:31 -0700 > From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@whidbey.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > The next London Carpenter to be introduced is Rodger Carpenter, likewise > a pepperer/spicer like the previous William. No indication of relationship > is divulged in the Calendar of Letter-Books. However, when Rodger passes > away, and subsequently his heir is Thomas is guaranteed his rights of > inheritance, an all-important clue of other family connections is divulged. > Like William Carpenter before him, Rodger Carpenter is the possessor of > substantial assets. > > “On Ash Wedsday [1 March], 14 Edward III. [A.D. 1339-40], came Sir Robert de > Askeby, clerk for the lord the king, to the Guildhall, and announced to > Andrew Aubri, the Mayor, on the King’s behalf, that he and all the aldermen, > together with the more discreet and wealthier men of the City, were to > appear before the King and his Council at Westminster on the following > Thursday to treat certain matters. Upon their appearing on the day named the > King desired a loan of L.20, 000 and allowed them until the next day to > consider the matter. On Friday, the Mayor, Aldermen, and a great > commonality, after consulting together in the Chapter House at Westminster, > agreed to advance the sum of 5,000 marks and no more. This sum was rejected > as inadequate, and they were ordered to bring the names of all the wealthier > citizens in writing, to be submitted to the King and his Council for purpose > of assessment on the following Sunday.” Letter-Books, F., pp. 45-6) > > In the end a compromise was reached and the king received five thousand > pounds. In the list of those who made their contribution, to what was > essentially royal extortion, was the name of Rodger Carpenter, one of the > “rich” of the City of London. Rodger’s good name appears in many other > documents as well, as a witness in court proceedings. In another document > Rodger is included in a list with mayor and aldermen for the city that > scripted and passed legislation. In another document Rodger and fellow > merchants are asked yet again for money for the crown. Finally after copious > real estate entries the demise of Roger Carpenter is recorded for 1349. > > “Wednesday before the Nativity of the Lord [25 Dec.], 23 Edward III. [A.D. > 1349], the guradianship of Thomas, son of Rodger le Carpenter, “spicer”, > commited to Thomas de Brandone, mercer, by Walter Turk, Mayor, Richard > Lacer, Rodger de Depham, Aldermen, and Thomas de Waldene, the Chamberlain, > by assent of William de Chalk and Agnes his wife, the aunt and nearest > friend of the said Thomas, together with the sum of L.45, and rents of the > value of 105s. 9 ½ d., to hold in trust for the said infant, who is not to > marry without the permission of the Mayor and Aldermen. Surities, viz., > Richard Vyncent, Rector of the Church of St. Benedict de Shorhogge, who > holds a lay fee in the parish of St. Augustine, near St. Paul’s gate, and > Adam Fraunceys, mercer.” (Letter-Books, F., p. 200) > > The interesting revelation here is the identification of Rodger’s > sister, Agnes Carpenter. Agnes had appeared as one of the children of > property rich John Carpenter in the early 1300s. Agnes inherited the rights > to land that her father had held from Queen Philippa. John Carpenter’s manor > holdings were so geographically diverse and import that the litigation took > a number of years. John Carpenter was knighted. His death took place in 1339 > and his main manor seemed to be just outside London in Berkhamstead, > although he possessed manorial holdings in Oxford, Wiltshire and other > locations. Fortunately the original documents identify his father as also a > John le Carpenter, who must have lived in the late 1200s. It is tempting to > equate this knighted John Carpenter with the John that appeared with Edward > Charpenter, his son Robert and three other Carpenters in the 1305 ship > salvage document. Likewise it is tempting to assign the ancestor of many of > these Carpenters to a Jean le Carpenter, who was an > officially designated wool exporter in 1273. At the least, the connections > that are beginning to emerge between these individuals point to an enormous > merchant-trading family. In my next message I will return again to the theme > of wine and the interesting evidence for Rodger Carpenter’s involvement in > it. > > Sincerely, > Bruce E. Carpenter