This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FB61E34DF92CE8015ABD6F72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Annabel, John L. Carpenter and I have similar data. You might find slight differences in the attached report. I can understand your frustration and deadline. My suggestion is to relax. While many books have been written on the subject of field trips ... Here are some basics: On your trip take either a laptop or printout of all your names. And maybe even the attached report of mine. Bring paper, pencils etceteras. Assume double the time you estimate and don't be surprised that is not enough! Take a camera also. Pictures are wonderful and if you get your picture taken with the priest, send him a copy with your thank you letter or note. The folks at the local Family History Center / genealogical center can be very helpful. They know the area and many of the people working the different lines. Leave your name and address. Ask for help. Make copies (2 rolls of quarters at least) or hand write (have a lot of paper) all Carpenter and related name data. It is very frustrating to have been somewhere and not gotten what you needed. When going into churches make a donation. It shows you helping them as they might help you. Remember to have fun! Best of Luck! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA (619) 466-5735 abixby wrote: > > Hi- > I am really in need of some help! ( Note- The numbers after the names > are the numbers in the "Carpenter family in America.") > I have corresponded with one of you who has the Carpenter website- who > couldn't help me. I have a research project due by Oct. 15th > for independent study in a family history class. Here is the problem! > I have both the Carpenter and Quintard genealogy and it seems that > neither one has enough information on the Thomas Carpenter(55)- p. 96 > who I am looking for -According to the Carpenter genealogy, he was born > in 1726, son of Joseph Carpenter(19)at Oyster Bay, Long Island- he > married 1. Ann Stocker in abt. 1748- she apparently died and then he > married Lucretia Burroughs Quintard on 29 August, 1781 at St. Georges, > Hempstead, Long Island. He served under Delancey - fought on the British > side and at the end of the war, he went to New Brunswick. I have found > a land grant for Lieut. Thomas Carpenter in New Brunswick. I have the > Quintard genealogy back to France- they were Huguenots who fled France > to Bristol, England and then to NY and settled in Stamford before 1700. > According to the Carpenter genealogy, Thomas (55) and Lucretia went to > Nova Scotia ( which became New Brunswick) where he had land granted to > him- and then by 1797, they were back in New York in Saratoga where they > sold their land in Stamford, CT. The genealogy also lists one son for > him, Thomas (146) b. 1757. I looked him up and found that this Thomas > married Edith Bunce and was a "very prominent man in religious circles > and also politically- " He was an alderman of the Methodist church, etc. > The author states " while somewhat in doubt as to the correctness of > this pedigree, etc." His son, Thomas is 399a and I can't find anything > further on 399a. > > Here is my problem: > If the same Thomas ( 55)( born 1726) married Lucretia Quintard in 1781, > then he was 106 yrs old when he died in 1831. They settled in > Lansingburg, Troy, New York ( not far from Saratoga) The records of > Trinity Episcopal Church of Lansingburg ( cemetery- obits, etc) state > that he died 14? of May, 1831 aged 76 yrs. That means he was born in > 1755 0r 1756. ( very close to the 1757 birth date of Thomas ( 149) son > of Thomas and Ann Stocker. Beside his gravestone is Lucretia Q. > Carpenter, wife of Thomas Carpenter, d. 23 May, 1816 at age 55 yrs. > According to the Quintard genealogy, she was born in 1761 which fits. Of > note is that her mother, Lucretia Burroughs, wife of Isaac Quintard died > in Stamford, CT on the 10 Sept. 1796- therefore, the land they sold in > 1797 was probably the Stamford property that she had inherited from her > mother ( who was a widow- her father had died in 1794) It seems that the > Quintards were also loyalists although I don't know that they left > Stamford - Lucretia's two paternal aunts married loyalists (Ketchum and > Hubbard) moved to Nova Scotia ( and then St. John, NB) and her 2 > sisters married husbands who were prob loyalists- (Leake and Wilson) > since they moved from CT to NYC and/or Long Island and eventually > settled in Albany ( in the same area as Lansingburg and Troy- they were > all in Albany County at the time) > I have found a Lieut. Thomas Carpenter from the New Brunswick grantbook > database who was given a grant in Parr Town ( which I believe was later > St. John) in 1784 ( NS) and 1785 ( NB) - That could be him but in any > case, Thomas and Lucretia had at least 3 children born bet. 1788 and > 1793. ( there could have been more) Of note is that both Lucretia's > aunts were also in the same parish and town in New Brunswick ( the > Hubbards and Ketchums) > Later, when Thomas and Lucretia moved to NY, both her sisters and their > families were there also. I am not certain how many Carpenters went to > NB first and then ended up in Albany area of NY- I have found both a > Thomas and a Joseph Carpenter in the Albany area ( or Lansingburg) in > the 1820 census index. Does anyone have any ancestors ( Carpenters) from > that part of NY state? or a Thomas ( son of Thomas and Ann Stocker) - > No.146 The one who was an alderman in the Methodist church in NY- born > in 1757? The reason I am trying to locate anyone who might have him in > their ancestry is b/c the author was uncertain of the "correctness of > this ancestry" and I wonder if that Thomas was the son of Thomas and Ann > Stocker and the husband of Lucretia Quintard. That would make sense! > The strange way I found the Carpenter family was that my > ggreat-grandmother had a prenuptial agreement signed with her husband to > be b/c her mother had died when she was a baby and her grandfather had > left her mother's share of his estate to her- Her mother was Elizabeth > Quintard (Carpenter) Taylor b. 1793 d. 1823( d/o Thomas and Lucretia > Carpenter) as written in her obit and/or on gravestone- ( wife of Dr. > John Taylor)- they are all buried in the Trinity Episcopal Church > cemetery in Lansingburg. Although I knew that Lucretia Taylor ( my > ggreat-grandmother was the daughter of Elizabeth Quintard Taylor, I > first discovered that her mother's maiden name was Carpenter and her > grandfather was Thomas because of the prenuptial agreement! Then, I > found the rest of the connections- but I still can't make the connection > as to who were the parents of Thomas Carpenter the loyalist! > I have contacted St. George Church in Hempstead where they were married > and the warden saye the records are in the vault- I live in California > and he is willing to search but he does not know when he may have time > to do it- I need to do a search on the two marriages ( Thomas and Anne > Stocker) and Thomas and Lucretia Quintard. The records have never been > copied by the LDS- only some marriages in the early 1700s- and the > warden does not think anyone has copied them. I am going to be in New > England at Thanksgiving and if possible, I thought I would try to get to > the church in Hempstead but with grandchildren in tow, I don't know! I > live in California- and would appreciate any input that anyone has > concerning this line of the family. Or any suggestions where to look? > Thank you- > Annabel Bixby > abixby@home.com --------------FB61E34DF92CE8015ABD6F72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="20039.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="20039.txt" Descendants of Thomas CARPENTER-20039 First Generation 1. Thomas CARPENTER-20039 was born 15 Feb 1726 in Musketa Cove, Queens, LI, NY. He died after 1783 in Smithtown, or Southold, LI, NY. !Number 56 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Family on page 96. Probably, after selling property willed to him by his father, he went back to Canada or England. See note below, however. He went to St. John's, N.B., at the peace and was one of the grantees of that city. On 30 Sept. 1797, he and his wife Lucretia sold land at Stamford, CT (her parents old property!). No further trace can be found. Did he go west to Indiana? He was a loyalist who fled to Nova Scotia and returned to Long Island to die. He was a sergeant and Adjutant, 2nd Delancey's Brigade, a loyalist unit in New York. His son was an Ensign in the 3rd Battalion. Thomas married (1-MRIN:7178) Anne STOCKER-20045 on 2 Oct 1748 in St. George's, Church, Hempstead, LI. Anne was born about 1726 in of, NY. She died before 1781. NAME: Stocker or Stoiker. Note: a Henry Stocker of Great Neck, LI made his will April 18, 1785. (New York Wills, 38, 122.) Thomas and Anne had the following children: + 2 M i. Thomas CARPENTER Jr.-22633 was born 1757 and died 7 Apr 1825. Thomas also married (2-MRIN:9973) Lucretia QUINTARD-20046, daughter of Isaac QUINTARD-20047 and Lucretia-20048 (MRIN:7180) on 20 Aug 1781 in St. George's, Church, Hempstead, LI. Lucretia was born 10 Feb 1760 in Stamford, Queens, LI, NY. Lucretia Quintard was daughter of Isaac and Lucretia Quintard. They were loyalists and went from Stamford to Long Island for protection, and after the war were compelled to emigrate to Nova Scotia. Second Generation 2. Thomas CARPENTER Jr.-22633 was born 1757 in Musketa Cove, Queens, LI, NY. He died 7 Apr 1825 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY and was buried 1888 in Greenwood Cem., Brooklyn, NY. Number 146 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Family on page 135 & 136. BIRTH: The book above lists him probably born near Huntington or Smithtown on Long Island in 1757. Mr. Carpenter was a very prominent man in religious circles and also politically. He was for many years a member of the John Street Methodist Church and of the Sands Street Church in Brooklyn. He was Alderman of the second ward, New York City, a member of Assembly, warden of the port, et cetera. He also was largely known as a wholesale grocer, doing business in Water Street and Fulton Street. Thomas Carpenter and Leffert Lefferts, owners of the brigatine Susan and Polly, petition Congress for commission of duties et cetera. Petition granted. Per Journal of Representatives, 1794, p. 103. !WILL: The will of Thomas Carpenter is an unusual one, very short and to the point: gives estate to his wife, son Charles, daughter Sarah Russell, and to William Carpenter's Family. Names Abigail Fowler, and gives his camblet cloak to Charles Fowler, provides payment to William Dando, Dr. Phoebus and Abigail Fowler. Will dated 30 Sept. 1824 and proved 30 April 1825. Per New York Wills, vol. 59, p. 311. DEATH: He was buried by the side of his first wife in the grounds adjoining the Sands Street Church in Brooklyn. On the sale of this church in 1888, to the Brooklyn Bridge, the remains were reinterred in the plot of Mark Fowler, Greenwood Cemetery. In Wakely's "Lost Chapters of Methodism" may be found an exceedingly interesting account of Thomas Carpenter. Thomas married (1-MRIN:10014) Edith BUNCE a widow-27678 on 8 Oct 1783 in NY. Edith was born about 1762 in NY. She died 13 Mar 1808 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY. She died at age 46. See husband's notes regarding reburial in 1888. Thomas and Edith had the following children: 3 M i. Thomas CARPENTER-27679 was born 7 Jun 1786 in New York City, NY. He died 19 Apr 1808 in New York City, NY. !Number 399a in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. No family listed. New York City or Brooklyn. + 4 F ii. Abigail CARPENTER-27680 was born 1788 and died 1850. + 5 F iii. Sarah CARPENTER-27681 was born 1790. + 6 M iv. Charles Wesley CARPENTER Rev.-27682 was born 16 Dec 1792 and died 10 May 1853. + 7 M v. William CARPENTER-27683 was born about 1794. + 8 F vi. Mary Anna CARPENTER-27684 was born 1 Feb 1796 and died 29 Jun 1817. Thomas also married (2-MRIN:7179) Mary HOUSEMAN a widow-27677 on 1821 in NY. Mary was born about 1762 in NY. Houseman was former married name. Third Generation 4. Abigail CARPENTER-27680 was born 1788 in New York City, NY. She died 1850 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY. Number 400 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Family in notes. Abigail married (1-MRIN:10019) Mark FOWLER-27693 on 1804 in NY. Mark was born about 1788 in Milford, CT. They had the following children: + 9 F i. Emily A. FOWLER-27694 was born about 1808. 5. Sarah CARPENTER-27681 was born 1790 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY. Number 401 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Family in notes. Sarah married (1-MRIN:10018) Abram RUSSELL-27690 about 1810 in NY. Abram was born about 1790 in NY. A hardware dealer on Fulton Street, NY and living in the 1850s at 121 Washington Square. Abram and Sarah had the following children: 10 F i. Hilah RUSSELL-27691 was born about 1812 in NY. 11 M ii. Fayette RUSSELL-27692 was born about 1815 in NY. 6. Charles Wesley CARPENTER Rev.-27682 was born 16 Dec 1792 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY. He died 10 May 1853 in Plattekill, Orange, NY. Number 402 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Family on page 195 & 196. Charles and his wife sold land at Flushing, LI to Isaac Peck on May 10, 1828 Per Jamacia Records. As early as 1806 he had joined the church of his father, the John Street Episcopal and when about 19 years of age received from Freeborn Garretson his first licence to exhort, and soon after he was licensed as a local preacher by the Quarterly Conference in New York. His health was never good and caused him to leave college and eventually led to his demise. A portrait of him and an interesting biographical sketch of his life and ministry may be found in Warriner's "Old Sands Street Church of Brooklyn, page 271, et cetera. See also "Sacred Memories", by Rev. W. C. Smith. Charles married (1-MRIN:10022) Bethiah WALKER-27699 on 24 Apr 1813 in NY. Bethiah was born about 1792 in of Sagharbor, NY. They had the following children: + 12 M i. Albert CARPENTER-27700 was born 11 Jan 1814 and died 13 Nov 1876. 7. William CARPENTER-27683 was born about 1794 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY. Number 403 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. Family in notes. He had the following children: 13 F i. Edith CARPENTER-27688 was born about 1818 in NY. Edith married (1-MRIN:10017) BUNCE-27689 about 1839 in NY. BUNCE was born about 1818 in NY. 8. Mary Anna CARPENTER-27684 was born 1 Feb 1796 in New York City, Brooklyn, NY. She died 29 Jun 1817. Number 404 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. She had two children who both died in infancy. Mary married (1-MRIN:10015) William B. SKIDMORE-27685 about 1815 in NY. William was born about 1796 in NY. They h