Dear Gentlepersons, Carpenter/DeMelun or not, My suggestion is this: Why don't the guys with poor upbringing--or whatever it is that makes them so churlish--correspond man to man, back-channel, off list, at the OK Corral, whatever, where the rest of us need not be exposed to it, and let the rest of us work on our ancestry and on having a nice, friendly, cooperative list where we can work TOWARD something?! My experience with true historians is that they contend the issues of history with enthusiasm and joy, and use evidence to make a point, while recognizing the other historian's right to disagree. In other words, they respect each other, while differing on the interpretation of history. This nastiness that I see some people writing on this list strikes me as being more like the nanner-nanner of the prepubescent playground. Can't you guys get off it for a while? You have so much to share with us. So why not engage in a rational exchange of ideas, views, and evidence? Why not, in those areas in which you obviously will never agree--or will never agree until much more evidence is brought forth and one or both are willing to listen to the other's arguments--agree to disagree, and move on to the next item of discussion? In all my years of studying history, I don't recall any argument being resolved by use of virulent language and personal defamation. One other thing: Please. . . State your credentials, if you wish to use them as part of proving a point. For example, "I am Sidney Fine, Ph.D. I am a Professor of History at the University of Michigan, and author of the following works: . . . , etc." If you won't share the credentials, then let's stop making claims of that sort. Please: let's stop shouting, and reason with each other. I hesitate to send this, because I really believe that if everyone on the list refused to respond to this vitriolic nonsense, it would go away. Some people just seem to like stirring things up and disrupting other people's good time. Can we now discuss our real, actual, with-all-their-warts ancestors? Thanks! George R. Carpenter ---------- > From: Joan Wyatt <mewyatt@uakron.edu> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Monkey Business > Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 7:03 PM > > I just joined the list this morning. If this is what goes on here, think I will > unsubscribe. Dont like it already. > Joan > > Jan Deal wrote: > > > I have had my fill of mud-slinging and insults. I can only feel sorry for the > > new subscribers who are seriously trying to do their research on this list. > > > > "Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > > > > > Dear John: > > > I was a PFC. We were trained to kill only North Vietnamese > > > and their political operatives. You are not a descendant > > > of any DeMelun. To be a descendant of a monkey > > > is not an invitation to continue to be one. As for your > > > poor English, buy a book and practise. > > > Most sincerely, > > > Bruce E. Carpenter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John L. Carpenter <jcarp45@top.monad.net> > > > To: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > > > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: LaMesa John and Tony > > > > > > > > > > >-----Your are right about the English Lesson and perhaps spelling too I am > > > >probably of The Demulun family ,arrogant & stupid enought to be trained to > > > >go to war and kill,kill anything in slanted eyes . I came from a family of > > > >hard working uneducated men, Whos ancestors came down from the tree's > > > >My opinon is : Nothing I don't feel qualifed nor do I give a damn about if > > > >my family was murders in the crusaders If you were in Vietnam supposedly > > > >probably a ROTC boy we were led to death by many a 2nd Lt. > > > > >