I have sat here silently, hoping that someday someone would mention something on at least two of my Carpenter ancestors. No one has yet and I could wait, but I seem to do more deleting than reading because of the bickering.. A long time ago someone said that Bruce had this wonderful database and I tried to get into it and see if my people were there. I couldn't and in emailing him for help I got the runaround. I felt I was wasting my time...and it seemed I was wasting his. So I will put my names out again, before I unsubscribe, and hope that someone has heard of these people. I would appreciate even a clue that I could hunt down. I have Mary Ann Carpenter (pension papers on husband are sloppily written. It could have been Carpentient) She was b in 1822 (I don't know where) and was married in Saratoga to David STurges. That was in 1844. They moved to Cleveland before 1850, but had one child, James Aaron Sturges, born in NY. Many more children were born in OH and she died of bronchitis in 1890 in Cleveland The other one is Ann Carpenter b about 1772, possibly from CT. She d 28 Oct 1806 in Lyndon VT. She married Thomas Scott Sr and had three children that I know of. Mary, Thomas Jr and Ann who is my ggggrandmother. I have one other Carpenter who lived in Dutchess Co. She was Sarah and was married to John Ward about 1852. I have her lineage pretty well proven. The firsrt two have eluded me for years. Any help is appreciated. Marj