> Dear John, > Here is what I have on William Carpenter - 662 and his father Richard > Carpenter - 669. While I have had much success in Wiltshire, I have > less response from the Somerset History society. I agree that finding > the birth and marriage dates in Nettlecomb or somewhere in Somerset > would be a great benefit. > I have also attached (apologies to those who have a hard time reading > attachments) a five generation GEDCOM of both the ancestors and > descendants of Richard Carpenter - 669. The GEDCOM numbers if used on > another machine will be different. The reason only five generations is > to keep the GEDCOM small enough for most servers to handle. Some 660 > some odd names are given. > While the notes are not perfect, they may answer most of your questions. > If not please let me know. Then I will do my best to answer them. > Sincerely, > John R. Carpenter > La Mesa, CA > ************************************************************** > INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:669 > ---------------------------------------------------- > Name:Richard CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:GG8T-DR > Birth:Abt 1575/1578 Place:Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > Chr: Place:of,Newton Tony,Wiltshire,England > Marr: 7 Aug 1603 Spouse:Alice KNIGHT-19782 > Marr: 1 Sep 1606 Spouse:Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432 > Marr: Spouse: > Death: 7 Aug 1625 Place:Ilchester,Somerset,England > Burial:21 Sep 1625 Place:Amesbury Parish,Wiltshire,England > Father:Robert CARPENTER oM-14708 Mother:Eleanor CARPENTER-14714 > Notes ----------------------------------------------- > !SEE "160 ALLIED FAMILIES" BY JOHN OSBORNE AUSTIN, 1893, REPRINTED > 1977. (974.0 D2a) PAGE 56 AND 57. "Richard Carpenter of Amesbury" > Records at Amesbury show that he was buried there this date (1625,9,21). > The names of Richard and Christina are found as family names in the > early records of Amesbury; and either by coincidence or from a family > connection, it is found that John Carpenter, Town Clerk of London in > reigns of Henry V AND Henry VI (and executor of Richard Whitington > "THRICE LORD MAYOR OF LONDON" who died > 1422) had for parents Richard and Christina. > !WILL: A will dated 1614 witnessed by Robert Batt of Wiltshire is > probably this Richard. Richard willed his property on Frog Lane in > Amesbury to his son William. Thomas Lavington also witnessed the will > and was the husband of Agnes Carpenter, daughter of Robert Carpenter of > Upton Scudmore. > !(It was probably Richard the son who went to Barbadoes in 1634 with > brothers William, Thomas and Elias. See below.) > !This Richard of Amesbury, Wiltshire, made a trip to America. This is > the work of Harry F. Rogers, genealogist, who found this information. > Sources cited: > Copies of English Wills in Playfair's Britsh Antiquities (London) 1810; > Davis & Owen New Peerage (London 1778) V7 page 108; L.G. PINE Burke's > Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage; County Histories; Thomas Brewers > Memoirss and History of the City of London School for Boys, London 1856 > (Founded by John Carpenter the younger, the noted Town Clerk of London, > Trice Lord Mayor of London, et cetera). > !CHILD: Harry F. Rogers indicates a Dorothy Carpenter, daughter of > Richard Carpenter of Amesbury married Stephen Rose At Salisbury > Cathedral, Old Sarum in 1618. No mention of her as child in any other > record. She possibly came from another marriage? YES! Mother was Alice > Knight. > !MISC: Marden and Cheriton Parishes, Wherwell in Wiltshire were Puritan > strongholds. Rev. Stephen Bachiler and Richard Dummer (who was on the > Bevis in 1638) were actively engaged in persuading religious dissenters > to join them in New England with their Plough Company. This includes > William, brother to this Richard. > !MARRIAGE: To Susanna Trevilian dated 1 Sept. 1606 at Dwelly Wells > Parish per "Carpenter Chronicles", Page 13, Vol. 4, 1990, by Bette > Butcher Topp. Ann Kent did not marry this Richard Carpenter. > !MARRIAGE: Per Mr. W.A. Lyons of the Post Office in Newton Tony, > Wiltshire, England, per letter 18 Mar. 1997: The Marriage Register for > Newton Tony shows: > "Richard Carpenter and Alice Knight" married on "7 Aug. 1603." > !BURIAL: Amesbury Parish Index and Transcript - Burials 1579-1636: > "Richard Carpenter was buryed the 21 daye of September 1625." > !AFN 8LBZ-V1 IS THE SAME PERSON, AS IS ID# 8MH8-Q1, AS IS ID# 8NHZ-Q0 > WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LATER BEING BORN ABT 1580, B.31 JUL 1947 SG, > E.23 JAN 1947 SG AND DEATH PLACE AND DATE CONFIRMED. > AFN 8LBZ-V1 (S.P. 18 MAY 1966 MT) AND ID # GG8T-DR (S.P. 12 MAY 1966) > ARE THE SAME PERSON. BORN ABOUT 1542?. OF WRINGTON, SOMMERSET, England > OR AMESBURY, WILTSHIRE, England. > !Parents: Early Carpenter books has him the son of William & Abigail > Carpenter. However this is wrong. Parentage corrected by wills found > in England. > ********************* > INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:662 > -------------------------------------------------- > Name:William CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:30Z7-S6 > Birth:Abt 1608/1611 Place:Amesbury,Wiltshire,England > Chr: Place:of Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > Marr: 1 Nov 1635 Spouse:Elizabeth Peake ARNOLD-663 > Marr: Spouse: > Marr: Spouse: > Death: 7 Sep 1685 Place:Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > Burial: 7 Sep 1685 Place:Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > Father:Richard CARPENTER-669 Mother:Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432 > Notes ------------------------------------------------------ > !SEE: "History and Genealogy of the CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA" from > the settlement at Providence, RI 1637-1901. By Daniel Hoogland > Carpenter of Mapelwood, Essex, NJ. Published by the Marion Press of > Jamacia, Queensborough, NY in 1901. 370 Pages. Will on pages 20 to > 28. > William Carpenter, Founder of the Providence Carpenters, is Number 1. > He was the son and heir of Richard Carpenter of Amesbury, Wiltshire, > England. > Did William go to Barbadoes in 1634? Or was it a cousin? > See page 5 in the above record. See Brother Richard's notes. > See page 354, Describing the "Visitation" or census of the College of > Arms in 1623 and 1634 where it is shown that there was a number of > Carpenter families in Gloucester, Hereford, Somerset, and Surrey, who > made proof of their pedigrees by presenting arms which were emblazoned > in the windows of the Church at Westbury upon Trin (often called the > Worcester Arms). > !FOUNDER: This William Carpenter is concidered to be the founder of the > Providence (Pawtuxet), Rhode Island Branch of the Carpenter family. > !SEE: "160 ALLIED FAMILIES" BY JOHN OSBORNE AUSTIN, 1893, REPRINTED > 1977, P56-58 THIS RECORD GIVES AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF WILLIAM FROM 1637 > TO HIS DEATH IN 1685 WHILE IN AMERICA. SISTER FRIDGSWITH VINCENT IS > MENTIONED IN 1671, 12, 14. GIVING HER PROPERTY IN ENGLAND WILLED TO HIM > BY HIS DECEASED FATHER (RICHARD). > !SEE: "NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700" BY CLARENCE ALMON TORREY, > 1985, P 136 CARPENTER, WILLIAM ( -1685) & ELIZABETH ARNOLD (1611-1683+); > IN ENGLAND, B 1635; PROVIDENCE/PAWTUXET, RI. > !SEE: "GENEALOGICAL & FAMILY HISTORY OF WESTERN NEW YORK", LEWIS 1912, > PAGE 274: (1) The first person bearing the (MALE) name Carpenter to make > permanent settlement in America was William Carpenter, son of Richard > Carpenter, of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England. He married Elizabeth > Arnold, born at Cheselbourne, Dorsetshire, England, November 23, 1611. > MUCH DETAILED DESCENDANT HISTORY GIVEN. > !SEE: "Genealogical History of the Carpenter Family" aka "The Carpenter > Memorial", by A.B. Carpenter 1898, page 34 (No. 9-4). > !MISC: William came to America with his father-in-law and his wife. > Their ship left Dartmouth, Devonshire, England on Friday May 1, 1635 > (should be 1636) and arrived in New England on June 24, 1636 at Hingham, > MA. The ship was called the "Plain Joan" and arrived in Boston after a > 54 day trip. William is listed in the first deed executed in the Colony > by Roger Williams. Robert Coles lived on the property adjoining. > William Carpenter, Robert Coles and William Arnold were three of 14 > charter members of the Baptist Church of America established by Roger > Williams at Providence on August 3, 1638. > For defense against indian attacks, William Carpenter built a block > house on his property soon after settling there. In an Indian attack > during King Phillip's War, all the settlers gathered for protection > inside the block house, where their brave stand compelled the Indians to > retreat. This William's son William Jr. was killed in the attack > though, and this William, while busily engaged in repairing the damage > to his estate died on Sept. 7, 1685. > !BOOK: See page 9 of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below: > UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH > ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF > JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION. > BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. > PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997. > BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. > !SEE: Cuyler Reynolds (Ed.) Hudson-Mohawk genealogical > & Family memoirs, Vol. II (NY, 1911), pp. 524-526. > !SEE: Also The American Historical Society, Carpenter and Allied > Families (Washington, D.C. 1931); and an unpublished supplement to > Daniel Hoogland Carpenter's book, by Ruth Carpenter Adair of North > Quincy, MA; and records of Katherine Stone Moore and records of Louise > Carpenter Licklider. > !SEE: "Carpenter Lineage" compiled by Winifred Lovering Holman, > 1958-1960, for Mrs. Folwell W. Coen. > !AFN 3027-SG IS THE SAME AS 8TG4-NF WITH THE FOLLOWING DIFFERENCES: > B.31 JUL 1947, E.18 DEC 1947, SP.25 JUN 1948 SG, DOB OF ABT 1611 MOST > PROBABLE. > AFN LSD9-5L is the same person with a death place in Rehoboth, MA & 2nd > spouse WILLIAM HAS (2) TWO FATHERS IN THE ANCESTORY FILE. WILLIAM > CARPENTER AFN 8MH9-NS B. ABT 1576 IN HOWELL, LINCOLN, England IS > INCORRECT. RICHARD CARPENTER IS CORRECT SEE NOTES ABOVE. Also AFN > GJ4M-QD Abigail Searles as a spouse is incorrect. She married another > William Carpenter. > end notes. > *************************************************************** > John F. Chandler wrote: > > > > I am curious about this pedigree... > > > > > 1 William CARPENTER-662: b Abt 1608/1611 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England; d > > > 7 Sep 1685 Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > > > > > > 2 Richard CARPENTER-669: b Abt 1575/1578 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; > > > m 1 Sep 1606 Dwelly Wells,Parish,Nettlecombe,England; d 7 Aug 1625 > > > Ilchester,Somerset,England > > > 3 Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432: b 1592 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > > > > Given the apparent uncertainty over the date of William's birth, and > > the commonness of the name, what evidence is there that (A) he was born > > at Amesbury or (B) his parents were named Richard and Susanna, much less > > that (C) they were originally from a different county? It seems to me > > that we would find it more profitable to focus efforts on the weak links > > closer at hand than medieval times. > > > > For myself, I'd really like to focus on an even more recent weak link. > > It seems that D.H. Carpenter's book assigns my line to the Rehoboth > > branch, but the evidence is wholly lacking, and I'd be interested in > > finding some confirmation or refutation... > > > > Here is the weak link: a certain Thomas Carpenter died in 1815 at Exeter, > > RI, intestate, and his estate was administered by his son Benjamin of > > South Kingstown. That would appear to be the same Benjamin who died > > in S.K. in 1840, aged 76 (contrary to what the book says, which is that > > he lived from 1756 to 1829). Be that as it may, can anybody show me > > some evidence to link this Thomas Carpenter to the birth record of a > > Thomas Carpenter in East Greenwich, RI back in 1738 (father named Thomas > > but mother not named)? The age fits fine, but I would really like to > > see something more than pure intuition here. > > > > John Chandler