I guess it is time to add my $.02. After reading about noses, inseams, builds, lineage and occupations. Here is what I have (and this is not wild speculation since I have the pictures and the source docs for my 2nd great grandfather). I have put up (to keep this mail small), the earliest picture I have of John Henry Carpenter, the son of John (8100) Carpenter. He was 68" tall with a 29 1/2" inseam. His father John was a sailor and farmer and so was he. We are descended from William of Rehoboth in this way. William, Abiah, Oliver, Thomas, Nicholas, John, Nicholas, John, John Henry, Karl Harrison, Henry John, me. I apologize for not adding more detail to the line, but hope there is not an identical path from William that will set up a chain of the "dreaded, endlessly threaded" topic of who I am descended from. :) I also put up a photo of my grandfather, who was about 68" and had a 29 1/2" inseam. My uncle is about 69" and has a 30" inseam. I am 68" and have a 29 1/2" inseam. I haven't asked my uncle for his permission, but there is one of him in 1949 or so. So check out the three generations with the same build and nose! at http://ccstrat.com/carps/carps.html You see the distinctive nose on each of the three My father, and I don't have the same nose, as we inherited it from the Cole side of my grandparents. All of the Carpenter girls in this family also have what we called "the Carpenter Nose". I think this has been referred to in earlier postings. My 2nd great grandfather John (from line above) had 6 brothers and one sister, thus to verify the preponderance of male children in some families If there are any pictures of his brothers or their descendants, it would certainly be interesting. According to A. B. Carpenter, "Carpenter Memorial" the sons of Nicholas (8093) were: Josiah (8098) Lydia (8099)<Married William Orr, descendants live in Las Vegas) John (8100) (my line, Ran away to sea abt 1839, then to Maine) Orin (8101) William (8102)<--------- Andrews Indiana Oliver (81030 Freeman (8104)<--------- Marlette, Michigan Dimon (8105)<--------- Ft. Wayne, Indiana Now, if there are any male descendants of William , Freeman or Dimon Luther, reading this group, and you have any pictures of your Carpenter line, please contact me as I am writing the story of this Carpenter line for printing. So much has been said about the physical characteristics of the Carpenters, what about the psychological side. Were the Carpenters egalitarian or autocratic in the running of their families? Were they patient or impatient by nature? Were they explorers by nature or stay at home types? I have some indication that the generation of Nicholas (8093) was autocratic, severe and alienated most of his sons. Some documents lead me to believe that his was a most dysfunctional family. He didn't pass this down to his son John (8100) however. I can attest to that. Enough thoughts and pictures for one evening! Jerry Carpenter "C.A.Carpenter ( Chuck's Wood-Knots)" wrote: > At 09:04 PM 9/1/1999 -0700, Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > >Dearest Carpenters: > >As I mentioned previously, the vast, vast majority > >of present English Carpenters are dscendants of timber tossing carpenters of > >trade. > >They surely must be well built. However the Rehoboth > >and Providence Carpenters are descendants of landowners > >and merchants. These were people who used their brains and > >not their brawn. My Carpenters are all tall, thin boned with > >fine chisled facial features. They (including myself) were never in > >love with physical work, even on the farm. In the Carpenter Memorial, > >on p. 376, is a picture of Philo Carpenter. He seems to me to be > >the classic Carpenter. Take a look at the two on p. 163. > >A classic Carpenter is Frank Carpenter, whose fine photo can > >be found at www.geocities.com/fbc.htm. A much more interesting > >question would have been, "Were the Carpenter ladies well built"? > > > >For the record, the reason I don't accept a DeMelun > >origin for the Herefordshire Carpenters is not > >that I dislike the DeMeluns, but rather the evidence that > >supports the connection is a sham. It is the nature > >of my profession to assign an "F" for lousy homework and > >an "A" for well done homework. Simple as that. > > > >Sincerely, > >Bruce Carpenter > > > > The URL posted above does not work for me but the one below does. > > http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm > > From a personal observation. > > I am descended from the Rehoboth clan. I grew up in Barrington, RI which > was once part of Rehoboth. > > I am more closely related to Bruce Carpenter than any other Carpenter on > the list. We follow the same path from William down to Stephen Carpenter > and Martha Hunt. > > The observation is: > I am small boned and 5'8" tall but have the 29.5 inseam as Tony mentions.. > maybe it's 30". > ALL the Carpenters I have ever met were small boned with the exception of > my son who is large boned, 6' and 265 lbs. The biggest Carpenter I know :) > Frank Carpenter( The Painter ) bears a strong resemblance to my family and > a lot of other Carpenters I have known. > All of them were very intelligent and worked hard, but not "heavy" laborers. > They were all "artistic" in some way and yes a little eccentric :) > > And they all loved women, "well built" or not :) > > Chuck > > Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: > http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html > > Carpenter Genealogy at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html -- ************************************************** | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | | http://www.ccstrat.com | **************************************************