> Here is a suggestion; should be create two separate Carpenter lists--one > for American ancestry only, the other for arguments about English, French, > Flemish and earlier debates. It seems most of the bad stuff is over highly > dubious feel-good heritage from the time of the crusades...which is > interesting history (and even interesting debate, back when it was civil), > but for most of us, not really what we're here for. Being your basic lurker on this list, I very strongly agree with Robin's idea. I would even take it another step and suggest another list for the Carpenter's that come from the Zimmerman line (like me... I think). There is such an over whelming amount of information on the Carpenters coming from the Northern part of the country that the list is almost useless to folks from the Zimmerman line, not to mention the discussions taking place about who did what in Europe. I have been considering leaving the list for some time now and while I have been sitting here writing this I have made up my mind. If and when other Carpenter lists are created please broadcast an announcement. Respectfully Roger A Cabin in the Woods - http://www.intrepid.net/~rchristo