Thanks! I may have assumed that my server doesn't need a www as it opened for me. http://www.ccstrat.com/carps/carps.html The Carpenters wrote: > Jerry, > > I tried to get the site, but couldn't. Are you sure it is correct here? > > George R. > > ---------- > > From: Jerry Carpenter <jcarp@ccstrat.com> > > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Noses, eyebrows, inseams, etc. any pix? (Indiana and Mich Carps, > pls read > > Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:37 AM > > > > I guess it is time to add my $.02. After reading about noses, inseams, > > builds, > > lineage and occupations. Here is what I have (and this is not wild > > speculation > > since I have the pictures and the source docs for my 2nd great > > grandfather). I > > have put up (to keep this mail small), the earliest picture I have of > > John Henry Carpenter, the son of John (8100) Carpenter. He was 68" tall > > with a 29 > > 1/2" inseam. His father John was a sailor and farmer and so was he. We > > are descended > > from William of Rehoboth in this way. William, Abiah, Oliver, Thomas, > > Nicholas, > > John, Nicholas, John, John Henry, Karl Harrison, Henry John, me. I > > apologize for not adding > > more detail to the line, but hope there is not an identical path from > > William > > that will set up a chain of the "dreaded, > > endlessly threaded" topic of who I am descended from. :) > > > > I also put up a photo of my grandfather, who was about 68" and had a 29 > > 1/2" > > inseam. My uncle is about 69" and has a 30" inseam. I am 68" and have > > a 29 1/2" inseam. I haven't asked my uncle for his permission, but > > there is one of him in 1949 or so. So check out the three generations > > with the same build and nose! at > > > > http://ccstrat.com/carps/carps.html > > > > You see the distinctive nose on each of the three My father, and I > > don't have the same nose, as we > > inherited it from the Cole side of my grandparents. All of the Carpenter > > girls in > > this family also have what we called "the Carpenter Nose". > > I think this has been referred to in earlier postings. > > > > My 2nd great grandfather John (from line above) had 6 brothers and one > > sister, thus to verify the preponderance of male children in some > > families > > If there are any pictures of his brothers or their descendants, it would > > certainly be interesting. According to A. B. Carpenter, "Carpenter > > Memorial" the sons of Nicholas (8093) were: > > > > Josiah (8098) > > Lydia (8099)<Married William Orr, descendants live in Las Vegas) > > John (8100) (my line, Ran away to sea abt 1839, then to Maine) > > Orin (8101) > > William (8102)<--------- Andrews Indiana > > Oliver (81030 > > Freeman (8104)<--------- Marlette, Michigan > > Dimon (8105)<--------- Ft. Wayne, Indiana > > > > Now, if there are any male descendants of William , Freeman or Dimon > > Luther, reading this group, and you have any pictures of your Carpenter > > line, please contact me as I am writing the story of this Carpenter line > > for printing. > > > > So much has been said about the physical characteristics of the > > Carpenters, what about the psychological side. Were the Carpenters > > egalitarian or autocratic in the running of their families? Were they > > patient or impatient by nature? Were they explorers by nature or stay at > > home types? I have some indication that the generation of Nicholas > > (8093) was autocratic, severe and alienated most of his sons. Some > > documents lead me to believe that his was a most dysfunctional family. > > He didn't pass this down to his son John (8100) however. I can attest > > to that. > > Enough thoughts and pictures for one evening! > > > > Jerry Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "C.A.Carpenter ( Chuck's Wood-Knots)" wrote: > > > > > At 09:04 PM 9/1/1999 -0700, Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > > >Dearest Carpenters: > > > >As I mentioned previously, the vast, vast majority > > > >of present English Carpenters are dscendants of timber tossing > carpenters of > > > >trade. > > > >They surely must be well built. However the Rehoboth > > > >and Providence Carpenters are descendants of landowners > > > >and merchants. These were people who used their brains and > > > >not their brawn. My Carpenters are all tall, thin boned with > > > >fine chisled facial features. They (including myself) were never in > > > >love with physical work, even on the farm. In the Carpenter Memorial, > > > >on p. 376, is a picture of Philo Carpenter. He seems to me to be > > > >the classic Carpenter. Take a look at the two on p. 163. > > > >A classic Carpenter is Frank Carpenter, whose fine photo can > > > >be found at www.geocities.com/fbc.htm. A much more interesting > > > >question would have been, "Were the Carpenter ladies well built"? > > > > > > > >For the record, the reason I don't accept a DeMelun > > > >origin for the Herefordshire Carpenters is not > > > >that I dislike the DeMeluns, but rather the evidence that > > > >supports the connection is a sham. It is the nature > > > >of my profession to assign an "F" for lousy homework and > > > >an "A" for well done homework. Simple as that. > > > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Bruce Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > The URL posted above does not work for me but the one below does. > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm > > > > > > From a personal observation. > > > > > > I am descended from the Rehoboth clan. I grew up in Barrington, RI > which > > > was once part of Rehoboth. > > > > > > I am more closely related to Bruce Carpenter than any other Carpenter > on > > > the list. We follow the same path from William down to Stephen > Carpenter > > > and Martha Hunt. > > > > > > The observation is: > > > I am small boned and 5'8" tall but have the 29.5 inseam as Tony > mentions.. > > > maybe it's 30". > > > ALL the Carpenters I have ever met were small boned with the exception > of > > > my son who is large boned, 6' and 265 lbs. The biggest Carpenter I know > :) > > > Frank Carpenter( The Painter ) bears a strong resemblance to my family > and > > > a lot of other Carpenters I have known. > > > All of them were very intelligent and worked hard, but not "heavy" > laborers. > > > They were all "artistic" in some way and yes a little eccentric :) > > > > > > And they all loved women, "well built" or not :) > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: > > > http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html > > > > > > Carpenter Genealogy at: > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ************************************************** > > | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | > > | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | > > | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | > > | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | > > | http://www.ccstrat.com | > > ************************************************** > >