-----I don't think this discussion should be about religous beliefs of any genealogist If you have facts and he has facts fine .But lets not start trowing stones at glass houses. I have attended many churches in my lifetime and approached by others. I don't think this mormon idealogy has anything to do with facts regardless of there practice. I think the presentation of facts on both sides should be put out & those of us can pick and choose our own beliefs. As far as the crusdes go it was in my belief the same as what is going on in palestine today another Holy war. If we our christians murdering for the name of god for the church what are they doing but the same thing different names. I have been to war 2 X there are no good guys & bad guys ther is them and there is us,Survival of the fittest, king of the hill John L. Carpenter Searching for Carpenter family decendants of William Carpenter of Providence, RI check my home pages at the following URL's http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45