> Dear Bruce & John There are a lot of intelligent people in the Carpenter surname system who really enjoy the controversy amid knights versus wine and woolen merchants. Why not just present your case as is and let us decide. It seeems to me that Bruce you are a very inconsiderate Professor and John you are craxy for aguing with him. We all enjoy the pro vs con without the reference to personal feelings. Bruce it will not be stuck in stone if John produces a Cd as this will be argued for years. As in the movies. "SHOW ME THE MONEY" . Get the facts. Love you both Gene Carpenter in Pa > >