Is this list for ONLY the ancestry of John Carpenter Town Clerk of London? Geez, Bruce. This was a bit harsh. Not all of us are natural born genealogists. I sure hope my side of Carps aren't the same as yours, or then I'd have to turn into a troll watching the mailing lists! (JUST KIDDING!) Be a gentleman and brighten up! Betty Carpenter-McCulloch >I am sure Tony and family are nice people, but the fact is they have nothing >to contribute to the history of the ancestry of the family of John Carpenter >Town Clerk >of London. >For yourself, I feel you have much to contribute in the compilation of more >modern >genealogical data. You have a passion for it. That being said, I feel you >should >avoid anything before 1300. Your data is all wrong. I have told you this >before. >If you had the right training, languages and time to spend in >Oxford, Cambridge and Paris libraries, you might begin to approach >the true story. This subject of a medeival family is too difficult for you. >Stick with the modern side of it. >Even in an entirely inadequate medieval library collection, like the one >here at the University >of Washington, I was able to compile data you hadn't imagined. What will >I find when I spend six months at the library of Oxford University? I >suspect >it would be much more in the same vein of what I have discovered already. >Be a gentleman and admit you mistakes. > >Sincerely, >Bruce E. Carpenter >professor > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001@home.com> >To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: Present English Carpenters > > >>Dear Bruce, >> >>Of the present day Carpenters in England, many can not trace their >>ancestry back more than a couple of hundred years. Some are descendant >>of the French Hugenots, a later group of French Carpentiers, some who >>were woodwrights that became Carpenter and even some American Loyalsts >>who settled in England instead of Canada. >> >>A few lines however have some pretty good documentation and lineage back >>to the same ancestors of the New England Carpenter line in England. >>Such is the case of Tony Carpenter's ancestry in England. >> >>Tony Carpenter's family has had a couple of generations of his family >>interested in genealogy. His ancestry data is pretty darn good. He >>also does not have the biases of the American Carpenters who have read >>or looked at the American versions of Carpenter ancestry. >> >>Tony also has dabbled in Coat of Arms in stained glass among other >>things. From the documentation from his web page, he seems quite >>intelligent, responsible and open minded. Let me quote from a very >>small part of his personal history ... >> >>"On leaving the army, returned to my trade soon became foreman, manager, >>then owned my own electrical business. Finally became an electrical >>consultant." AND >> >>"I became a member of The Soceity of Patentees and inventors, as well as >>several other engineering soceities, far too many to mention here. One >>of my inventions was a method of engraving glass. This was the base of >>my business, The Compleat Engaver International." AND >> >>"I am retired now and spend my days involved in all forms of art >>including painting, woodcarving, Playwriting, poetry and even the start >>of a novel. I am currently teaching art in the local village hall and >>hope to put together a computer programme based on the course. 'learn to >>paint watercolours from your computer'. I also designed a card game, >>based on Golf, which one day I hope to get professionally produced, as >>the family think it better than Trivial Pursuit! >>I believe I was lucky to be born into this great Family of Carpenters, a >>Family name to be proud of. I hope that all you that bear this name feel >>the same. I can remember my Grandfather, who was an old soldier, saying >>to me 'Never dishonor the name of Carpenter, bear it with pride as you >>would a medal'." >> >>I agree that the name of CARPENTER is honorable and a name to be proud >>of. We should all be proud of this ancient name. >> >> >>Personaly, his insights and approach to the Carpenter puzzle is very >>refreshing. >> >>Oh, by the way, Gill (short for Gillian) is Tony's spouse. Tony feels >>blessed by her and her partnership in life. Tony signs his name as >>"Tony" at the end of every message. >> >>A Carpenter Cousin, >> >>John R. Carpenter >>La Mesa, CA USA >> >>Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: >>> >>> Is Gill Carpenter in England any relation to we Rehoboth >>> Carpenters in the US? He seems to be eager to speak for all Carpenters in >>> England (and us as well), but surely no more than a fraction of the >>> Carpenters left in England have any genetic connection to one another. By >>> the 1300 there were all manner of unconnected people using the surname >>> Carpenter. It was also a popular alias for criminals. Then there were the >>> countless hammer and nails carpenters who used their profession as a >>> surname. In English historical records there are countless examples of >these >>> people, whose deluded descendants now think they are part of some ancient >>> lineage. >>> Thanks to excellent Massachusettss records I can trace my ancestors back >to >>> the 1500s with certainty. Few people in England, outside the aristocracy, >>> can do this. The Carpenter >>> Line back from Town Clerk John was a denizen merchant family unrelated >to >>> all the other peasants with the surname in England. Any individual who >wants >>> you to believe the Carpenters of England are a grand big family is a >>> nutcase. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Bruce E. Carpenter >> > > >