This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F3659CE3CC9B2351622A6633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bruce, Attached is the data on the French Carpentier descendancy line in the Du Nord area of France. Pierre is the son of Maurice in the French records. Take care, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > John: > I still haven't seen Nord data, but I think my computer > problems on this end are now O.K. > I found some other important Carpenter findings, all > of which are pointing to a major group of Gascon > Carpenters in Yorkshire. Most of the 'denizen' > Carpenters as of late 1200s seem to have a Yorkshire > and Gascony connection. There is politics > and crown money connected to this. > More later. > Bruce Carpenter --------------F3659CE3CC9B2351622A6633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="13035.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="13035.txt" Descendants of Pierre Le CARPENTIER-13035 First Generation 1. Pierre Le CARPENTIER-13035 was born about 1300 in de Grand Pont, Du Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30085 FOUNDER: Pierre can be concidered the "Founder" of the French De Carpentier branch of the Carpenter Family. He had the following children: + 2 M i. Anselot Le CARPENTIER-13053 was born about 1335. 3 M ii. Artus Le CARPENTIER-13052 was born about 1337 in near Cambrai, Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30090 4 M iii. Renaud Le CARPENTIER-13038 was born about 1337/1339 in Grand Pont, Cambrai, Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30093 5 M iv. Jacquemart CARPENTIER-13046 was born about 1339 in Grand Pont, Cambrai, Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30094 6 M v. Eustace OR Eustache CARPENTIER-13050 was born about 1340 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 632, Ordinance #: 24192 7 M vi. Guy Le CARPENTIER-13047 was born about 1341 in Grand Pont, Cambrai, Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30095 Second Generation 2. Anselot Le CARPENTIER-13053 was born about 1335 in near Cambrai, Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30089 This French Carpenter line continues, but the probability of error of who is whose child is higher than 51%. Until further information is forthcoming, this part of the record pauses with this family. 4/1995 jrc He had the following children: 8 F i. Marie CARPENTIER-13040 was born about 1360 in of Courriere, Namur, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 515, Ordinance #: 19740 9 M ii. Godefroid Le CARPENTIER-13049 was born about 1365 in Lord of Maire ne, Du Nord, France. BIRTH: PLACE - Lord of Maire near Brillon, Du Nord, France Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30096 + 10 M iii. Jean Le CARPENTIER-13041 was born about 1367. 11 M iv. Ancelot OR Ancel CARPENTIER Le-13055 was born about 1369 in Lord of Maire ne, Du Nord, France. BIRTH: PLACE - Lord of Maire near Brillon, Du Nord, France Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30097 Third Generation 10. Jean Le CARPENTIER-13041 was born about 1367 in Lord of Maire, near Brillon, Du Nord, France. BIRTH: Lord of Maire near Brillon, Du Nord, France Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30098 He had the following children: 12 M i. Pierre Le CARPENTIER-30452 was born about 1395 in Lord of Maire, near Brillon, Du Nord, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30099 + 13 M ii. Jean Le CARPENTIER-30461 was born about 1400/1404. Fourth Generation 13. Jean Le CARPENTIER-30461 was born about 1400/1404 in Mayor of, Dinant, Namur, Belgium and was christened in Lord of Maire, near Brillon, Du Nord, France. !Same person. Film #: 170411, Page #: 789, Ordinance #: 30100 Film #: 170411, Page #: 522, Ordinance #: 20040 He had the following children: + 14 M i. Jean CARPENTIER-30459 was born about 1455. Fifth Generation 14. Jean CARPENTIER-30459 was born about 1455 in Dinant, Namur, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 522, Ordinance #: 20024 He had the following children: + 15 M i. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30443 was born 1488. Sixth Generation 15. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30443 was born 1488 in Messenes, W. Flanders, Belgium. !BOOK: GENEALOGY OF THE DE CARPENTIER FAMILY OF HOLLAND BY EDWIN JAQUETT SELLERS. Printed in PHILADELPHIA, PA in 1909. EDITION LIMITED TO ONE HUNDRED COPIES. PRESS OF ALLEN, LAMB & SCOTT PHILADELPHIA. INTRODUCTION Although the family treated of In this work has not been definately traced beyond Pierre de Carpentier of Messen, Flanders yet its origin - appears in " Histore dc Cambray et du Cambresis, par Jean le Carpentier," published at Leyden, 1664, vol. II, page 369: "Since the year 1166 the family is known in the archives of the Abbey of Vauchelles to which much assistance was rendered by Barthelemy and Renaud Carpentier issue of Roger, Sire de Gouy, as we learn from the Tournament of Auchin in the year 1096. Siger Carpentier and Godefroy, descended from the said Renaud, were held in high esteem in Cambray and adjacent parts about 1200. Siger gave, among others, the tithes of Attiche to the Abbey of Cisoing in the year 1265, as can be seen in the archives of that place. He was Seigneur de Vannes and one of the most eminent knights of his time and laid the foundation for a fair posterity, which settled in French Flanders, through his marriage with Berthe Dame en Arquenghem by whom he had a son named Anseau whose descendants maintained themselves with glory and fame as late as the year 1400, when some of them, because of disfavor, were obliged to retreat to France, where, to the present day, they keep up the rank of their ancient nobility and are Seigneurs de Berthier, de Crecy, de Machy, de Ratilly de Marigny, etc. "This House possessed in the Netherlands, where the main branch has been extinct for nearly a century, the Seigneuries de Vannes, d' Avesnes lez Obert, du petit Ribecourt, de Maire, de Hamarree, de Tilloy, de Waignou, d'Aumont, de Flechinet, etc. It gave a bishop to Chartres and an abbot to St. Vaast in Arras; an almoner to Robert, Count de Flanders; governors to Therouane, grand bailiffs to Courtray; counsellors and gallant captains for armies to emperors, kings and princes, and even governors to newly discovered and conquered countires of the United Netherlands, etc. It has distinguished itself through brilliant alliances by marriage with many noble houses. Some of the descendants of the aforesaid Godefroy de Carpentier, Sire de Daniel and d'Avesnes-les-Obert (benefactor of the Abbey of Vaucelles according to a title of the year 1280, and brother of the aforesaid Siger, Sire de Vannes), left for England and Holland, where they bear different arms, although descended from the same house which recognizes as its originators of the ancient and illustrious Seigneurs de Gouy or Goy, who are so renowned in the archieves of the abbies of St. Vaast d'Arras, Mont St. Elloy, Honnecourt, Mont St. Martin, etc., since the year 1036, which is mentioned by Andre Du Chesne in his genealogical works. "Of this house was Jean le Carpentier, Treasurer- General of the Emperor Charles the Fifth, who by Marguerite de Langhe, daughter of Jean, had a daughter named Jeanne le Carpentier, who married Matthieu de Keinooghen, son of Jean Escuyer and Barbe d'Espelghem, who was father of Marie de Keynooghem married to Adrian van der Goes." The rest of the book gives the descendants of this Pieter. Film #: 170411, Page #: 384, Ordinance #: 14764 He had the following children: + 16 M i. Jan. DE CARPENTIER-30458 was born 15 Aug 1511. 17 F ii. Johanna DE CARPENTIER-30463 was born about 1517 in of Messines, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 398, Ordinance #: 15286 Seventh Generation 16. Jan. DE CARPENTIER-30458 was born 15 Aug 1511 in Messenes, W. Flanders, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 384, Ordinance #: 14766 He had the following children: + 18 M i. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30442 was born about 1536. Eighth Generation 18. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30442 was born about 1536 in Messenes, W. Flanders, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 384, Ordinance #: 14769 He had the following children: 19 M i. Jean CARPENTIER-30440 was born about 1550 in of Saint Quentin, Aisne, France. Film #: 170411, Page #: 630, Ordinance #: 24092 20 M ii. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30441 was born Aug 1553 in Messenes, W. Flanders, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 384, Ordinance #: 14774 21 M iii. Philippe DE CARPENTIER-30456 was born about 1560 in Messen, W. Flanders, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 487, Ordinance #: 18740 + 22 M iv. Roeland CARPENTIER-30434 was christened about 1560. Ninth Generation 22. Roeland CARPENTIER-30434 was christened about 1560 in of Delft, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. Roeland married (1-MRIN:10989) Josina VAN HECKE-30433. Josina was christened about 1560 in of Delft, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. They had the following children: + 23 M i. Nicollas CARPENTIER-30387 was christened about 1580. 24 M ii. Johan CARPENTIER-30439 was born 29 Dec 1587 in Delft, S-Hlln, Netherlands. Film #: 537999, Page #: 5, Ordinance #: 90293 + 25 M iii. Pierre DE CARPENTIER-30451 was born about 1588. 26 F iv. Jeanne DE CARPENTIER-30469 was born about 1590 in Wervicq, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 436, Ordinance #: 16747 + 27 M v. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30432 was born 2 Jun 1591. 28 F vi. Isabella CARPENTIER-30438 was born 15 Oct 1593 in Delft, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. Film #: 537924, Page #: 7, Ordinance #: 89697 Tenth Generation 23. Nicollas CARPENTIER-30387 was christened about 1580 in of Delft, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. Nicolas Carpenthier and Nicollas Carpentier are probably the same person. He had the following children: 29 F i. Izabeau CARPENTHIER-30386 was christened 27 Mar 1602 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. !BAPTIISM: Conde-Sur-L'Escaut, Nord, France. Batch #: K802551, Source Call #: 1218311 30 M ii. Laurent CARPENTHIER-30385 was christened 10 Aug 1604 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. !BAPTIISM: Conde-Sur-L'Escaut, Nord, France. Batch #: J802551, Source Call #: 1218311 31 M iii. Nicollas CARPENTHIER-30384 was christened 26 Oct 1606 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. !BAPTIISM: Conde-Sur-L'Escaut, Nord, France. Batch #: J802551, Source Call #: 1218311 25. Pierre DE CARPENTIER-30451 was born about 1588 in Wervicg, W. Flanders, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 488, Ordinance #: 18746 He had the following children: + 32 M i. Pierre DE CARPENTIER-30450 was christened 3 Jun 1594. + 33 M ii. Jean DE CARPENTIER-30431 was born about 1596. 27. Pieter DE CARPENTIER-30432 was born 2 Jun 1591 in Delft, Zuid Holland, Netherlands and was christened 16 Jul 1591 in Delft, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. Batch #: 7231329, Sheet #: 12, Source Call #: 822070 His children may belong to Johan. He had the following children: 34 F i. Petronelle DE CARPENTIER-30457 was born 1612 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 436, Ordinance #: 16749 + 35 M ii. Jean CARPENTIER-30460 was born about 1614. 36 F iii. Jeanne DE CARPENTIER-30468 was born 1617 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 436, Ordinance #: 16750 Eleventh Generation 32. Pierre DE CARPENTIER-30450 was christened 3 Jun 1594 in Messen, W. Flanders, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 488, Ordinance #: 18744 Pierre married (1-MRIN:10988) Jenne SAINCTE-30430. Jenne was christened about 1594 in of, W. Flanders, Belgium. They had the following children: + 37 M i. Jean CARPENTIER-30429 was born 20 Oct 1626. 33. Jean DE CARPENTIER-30431 was born about 1596 in Messen, W. Flanders, Belgium and was christened about 1596 in Messen, W. Flanders, Belgium. He had the following children: 38 F i. Marie CARPENTIER-30406 was christened 11 May 1620 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. !BAPTISIM: Conde-Sur-L'Escaut, Nord, France. Batch #: K802551, Source Call #: 1218311 35. Jean CARPENTIER-30460 was born about 1614 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. !NAME: CARPENTIER - "Of this house was Jean le Carpentier, Treasurer- General of the Emperor Charles the Fifth, who by Marguerite de Langhe, daughter of Jean, had a daughter named Jeanne le Carpentier, who married Matthieu de Keinooghen, son of Jean Escuyer and Barbe d'Espelghem, who was father of Marie de Keynooghem married to Adrian van der Goes." Per the book: GENEALOGY OF THE DE CARPENTIER FAMILY OF HOLLAND BY EDWIN JAQUETT SELLERS, Printed in PHILADELPHIA, PA in 1909. MISC: Could this be the Jean Carpentier that wrote; "Histoire de Cambray at de Cambresis" par Jean le Carpentier printed at Leyden in 1664, Vol. 2, pp369-371, and also referenced in; "Archives de Noblesse de France" par M.Laine, Paris 1828. Jean married (1-MRIN:11011) Marguerite DE LANGHE-15422, daughter of Jean DE LANGHE-42619 (MRIN:15158) about 1633 in Belgium. Marguerite was born about 1614 in of, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. They had the following children: + 39 F i. Jeanne Catherine DE CARPENTIER-30467 was born 4 Jan 1634. Twelfth Generation 37. Jean CARPENTIER-30429 was born 20 Oct 1626 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France and was christened 20 Oct 1626 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. !BAPTIISM: Conde-Sur-L'Escaut, Nord, France. Batch #: J802551, Source Call #: 1218311 He had the following children: + 40 M i. Caroli CARPENTIER-30383 was born about 1649. 39. Jeanne Catherine DE CARPENTIER-30467 was born 4 Jan 1634 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 437, Ordinance #: 16777 Jeanne married (1-MRIN:15159) Matthieu DE KEINOOGHEN-42620, son of Jean Escuyer KEINOOGHEN-42621 and Barbe DE ESPELGHEM-42622 (MRIN:15160). Matthieu was born about 1634 in of, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. They had the following children: 41 F i. Marie DE KEINOOGHEN-42623 was born about 1664 in of, Holland. Marie married (1-MRIN:15161) Adrian VAN DER GOES-42624. Adrian was born about 1664 in of, Holland. Thirteenth Generation 40. Caroli CARPENTIER-30383 was born about 1649 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. Caroli married (1-MRIN:10981) Joanna BERLON-30382. Joanna was born about 1649 in of, Nord, France. They had the following children: 42 M i. Pierre Francois Brunon CARPENTIER DE-30449 was born 26 Dec 1670 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 488, Ordinance #: 18753 + 43 M ii. Roeland CARPENTIER-30437 was born about 1673/1678. 44 F iii. Maria CARPENTIER-30381 was christened 24 Apr 1675 in Conde-Sur-L'Esca, Nord, France. !BAPTIISM: Conde-Sur-L'Escaut, Nord, France. Batch #: K802552, Source Call #: 1218311 45 M iv. Jan Baptist Joseph CARPENTIER DE-30428 was born 10 Jun 1679 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Film #: 170411, Page #: 488, Ordinance #: 18754 Fourteenth Generation 43. Roeland CARPENTIER-30437 was born about 1673/1678 in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Belgium and was christened in of Leiden, Zuid Holland, Netherlands. Roeland married (1-MRIN:10990) Aaltje VAN DER VALK-30436. Aaltje was born about 1675/1680 in of, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. They had the following children: + 46 M i. Hubert CARPENTIER-30405 was born about 1700. + 47 M ii. Jan CARPENTIER