Dear Betty, Thank you for reminding us this forum is for all Carpenters whether they be begginners or well soiled. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Lacey wrote: > > Is this list for ONLY the ancestry of John Carpenter Town Clerk of London? > Geez, Bruce. This was a bit harsh. > Not all of us are natural born genealogists. > I sure hope my side of Carps aren't the same as yours, or then I'd have > to turn into a troll watching the mailing lists! (JUST KIDDING!) > Be a gentleman and brighten up! > Betty Carpenter-McCulloch > > >I am sure Tony and family are nice people, but the fact is they have > nothing > >to contribute to the history of the ancestry of the family of John > Carpenter > >Town Clerk > >of London. > >For yourself, I feel you have much to contribute in the compilation of more > >modern > >genealogical data. You have a passion for it. That being said, I feel you > >should > >avoid anything before 1300. Your data is all wrong. I have told you this > >before. > >If you had the right training, languages and time to spend in > >Oxford, Cambridge and Paris libraries, you might begin to approach > >the true story. This subject of a medeival family is too difficult for you. > >Stick with the modern side of it. > >Even in an entirely inadequate medieval library collection, like the one > >here at the University > >of Washington, I was able to compile data you hadn't imagined. What will > >I find when I spend six months at the library of Oxford University? I > >suspect > >it would be much more in the same vein of what I have discovered already. > >Be a gentleman and admit you mistakes. > > > >Sincerely, > >Bruce E. Carpenter > >professor > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001@home.com> > >To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:14 PM > >Subject: Re: Present English Carpenters > > > > > >>Dear Bruce, > >> > >>Of the present day Carpenters in England, many can not trace their > >>ancestry back more than a couple of hundred years. Some are descendant > >>of the French Hugenots, a later group of French Carpentiers, some who > >>were woodwrights that became Carpenter and even some American Loyalsts > >>who settled in England instead of Canada. > >> > >>A few lines however have some pretty good documentation and lineage back > >>to the same ancestors of the New England Carpenter line in England. > >>Such is the case of Tony Carpenter's ancestry in England. > >> > >>Tony Carpenter's family has had a couple of generations of his family > >>interested in genealogy. His ancestry data is pretty darn good. He > >>also does not have the biases of the American Carpenters who have read > >>or looked at the American versions of Carpenter ancestry. > >> > >>Tony also has dabbled in Coat of Arms in stained glass among other > >>things. From the documentation from his web page, he seems quite > >>intelligent, responsible and open minded. Let me quote from a very > >>small part of his personal history ... > >> > >>"On leaving the army, returned to my trade soon became foreman, manager, > >>then owned my own electrical business. Finally became an electrical > >>consultant." AND > >> > >>"I became a member of The Soceity of Patentees and inventors, as well as > >>several other engineering soceities, far too many to mention here. One > >>of my inventions was a method of engraving glass. This was the base of > >>my business, The Compleat Engaver International." AND > >> > >>"I am retired now and spend my days involved in all forms of art > >>including painting, woodcarving, Playwriting, poetry and even the start > >>of a novel. I am currently teaching art in the local village hall and > >>hope to put together a computer programme based on the course. 'learn to > >>paint watercolours from your computer'. I also designed a card game, > >>based on Golf, which one day I hope to get professionally produced, as > >>the family think it better than Trivial Pursuit! > >>I believe I was lucky to be born into this great Family of Carpenters, a > >>Family name to be proud of. I hope that all you that bear this name feel > >>the same. I can remember my Grandfather, who was an old soldier, saying > >>to me 'Never dishonor the name of Carpenter, bear it with pride as you > >>would a medal'." > >> > >>I agree that the name of CARPENTER is honorable and a name to be proud > >>of. We should all be proud of this ancient name. > >> > >> > >>Personaly, his insights and approach to the Carpenter puzzle is very > >>refreshing. > >> > >>Oh, by the way, Gill (short for Gillian) is Tony's spouse. Tony feels > >>blessed by her and her partnership in life. Tony signs his name as > >>"Tony" at the end of every message. > >> > >>A Carpenter Cousin, > >> > >>John R. Carpenter > >>La Mesa, CA USA > >> > >>Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > >>> > >>> Is Gill Carpenter in England any relation to we Rehoboth > >>> Carpenters in the US? He seems to be eager to speak for all Carpenters > in > >>> England (and us as well), but surely no more than a fraction of the > >>> Carpenters left in England have any genetic connection to one another. > By > >>> the 1300 there were all manner of unconnected people using the surname > >>> Carpenter. It was also a popular alias for criminals. Then there were > the > >>> countless hammer and nails carpenters who used their profession as a > >>> surname. In English historical records there are countless examples of > >these > >>> people, whose deluded descendants now think they are part of some > ancient > >>> lineage. > >>> Thanks to excellent Massachusettss records I can trace my ancestors > back > >to > >>> the 1500s with certainty. Few people in England, outside the > aristocracy, > >>> can do this. The Carpenter > >>> Line back from Town Clerk John was a denizen merchant family unrelated > >to > >>> all the other peasants with the surname in England. Any individual who > >wants > >>> you to believe the Carpenters of England are a grand big family is a > >>> nutcase. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Bruce E. Carpenter > >> > > > > > >