An additional search produced proof that Edward Carpenter was a foreigner, his name rendered Charpenter in a 1293 disposition. These Charpenters had long standing problems with French merchants, pointing to their Flemish origins. "May 8 to the sheriff of Dorcet and the coroners of that county. Order to supercede until otherwise ordered the placing in exigent to be outlawed of...........Robert son of Edward le Charpenter....... before Peter Malone and Robert de Wodetone, the king's justices, to hear and determine a tresspass committed by them upon James de Gwyenecurt and Andrew le Cunte, merchants of Amiens, as they are now staying on the sea with the barons of the Cinque Ports by reason of the contention that has there arisen." Previous I had written of a Edward le Charpenter with extensive lands and holdings in London and Middlesex in legal proceedings for 1289 to 1291 that indicate an individual of great wealth. Middlesex is where the powerful merchants lived at that time. I supect these individuals are the same. We shouldn't be put off by the seemingly lawlessness of these people. The entire period was one of lawlessness, the rich and powerful the worst offenders, especially when we factor in hostile international relations. Edward le Charpenter could very well have been taking back what had been taken from him. I think we have here an important Flemish Carpenter group with the wealth to be major players in England during the 1300s, wealth enough to lend to the crown and to place family members in crucial positions like the Town Clerkship of London. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter