Yes Phoebe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic/long heads? > Bob, > > Are yours of the MA/RI lines? > > Phoebe > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bruce E. Carpenter, In my last posting regarding your reference to "brachycephalic" shapes of the head, I tried to mute it with humor and a source of information. This time, I will join those that may be offended because of the dark side you are flirting with. Your recent postings of head shapes, cranial measurements, and Jews bespeaks of pseudoscience and the belief that one is more superior than another based on certain physical measurements. Whether or not this is your intent, it has caused a problem. This is not the first time you have made comments about religion and Carpenters. I think, what ever your intent, that continuing mentioning size, shapes and religion, it would have been far better to state the conclusion of the article on "Craniometry" you referenced after your "brachycephalic" messages to the list. "The opinion that the Sephardim are dolichocephalic, while the Ashkenazim are brachycephalic, is not supported by craniometrical research on European Jews." http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=852&letter=C http://skepdic.com/cranial.html "Craniometry is the measurement of cranial features in order to classify people according to race, criminal temperament, intelligence, etc. The underlying assumption of craniometry is that skull size and shape determine brain size which determines such things as intelligence and capacity for moral behavior." Craniometry has been used by racist groups to try to prove superiority over other groups in society. This includes Adolph Hitler's NAZI party who murdered millions, mostly Jews, between 1933 and 1945. This destruction or slaughter of humans on such a massive scale was known as The Holocaust. Some of our European ancestors, over the centuries, may have been involved in such horrendous, but smaller, acts of outrage in the past. My father was a US Army soldier at the end of World War II. He saw some of the death camps. He helped bury the dead. He was a guard at Nuremburg for the trials of Concentration Camp guards. He brought in bales of human hair and wheel barrows full of gold rings and gold teeth taken from the victims as evidence. He handled the human skin lampshades and watched some of the bastards hang by the neck until they were dead. My mother was a German national that grew up in Bamberg in Bavaria. She participated in the required Hitler Youth programs for young women. Her family bought a genealogist to prove their racial purity and to hide their gypsy heritage. Many in her family fought for the German state and died during the war. My two older sisters were born in Bamberg. I was born in Frankfurt am Main, Hessen, West Germany. Before we left Germany as a family for the last time, my father took us to the cleaned up version of the Concentration Camp called Dachau. He showed us the gas chambers and the burial grounds. He told us of seeing boxcars with human bodies stacked inside like cordwood on a railway siding. He told us of how he watched human stick figures walk like ghosts. He told us of an American Jewish soldier who survived Dachau but died the night he was liberated. Before that American soldier died, he provided a few of the names of other American Jewish soldiers who died at Dachau. My father told us how the local Germans were forced to tour and help bury the dead at that horrible place. He told us it was but one place of many, in which millions of people died because they were different. I'll never forget what he said the day we toured Dachau, "More inhumanity to man has been done in the name of religion that any other cause." My father saw Nazism as a twisted sick religious cult that should have died with its mad fuehrer. Let us never forget! See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp and: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005214 See also: A more documented case of American Jewish POWs being put in Concentration Camps at: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3723/is_200605/ai_n16350911 and: http://www.warfoto.com/concentr.htm As many have posted, one can be a "Carpenter" regardless of head shape or body size, intelligence or religion. There is enough diversity in those that carry the surname "Carpenter" to cover every one. In the USA, we should believe that all are created equal. Indeed, a similar phrase is carried in the beginning of the Constitution of the United States of America. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." It has taken us, as a people, many years to believe, practice and try to live that concept. That concept is for everyone living in the USA, regardless of sex, race, creed or color. Those with the surname Carpenter, and similar surnames, have fought for the freedom of this country and have served in every war and conflict. Many men and women strive today to keep all of us free. The freedom of expression is a right. However, there is a cost in society when one comes close to or preaching/condoning hate speech. I suggest you drop your current line of measuring Carpenters and their religions. You are flirting with the dark side and many, including me, may take offense. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <Carpenter-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] craniometry > An interesting article on "craniometry" and Jews found at: > > http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=852&letter=C > > Bruce Carpenter

I have a brother that is O negative. I'm A+. It's interesting how we all are so different when you get down to it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <Johnlsaywhat@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] blood types >I have noticed in some of my carpenter relatives that Type O blood seems > prevalent How many Carpenter's have this similarity. My father was type > O - My > Mother was AB + most all my fathers family are type O I am O my oldest > brother is a O but one brother is a A+. I am no expert on blood genetics > can some > one send me some reference's ? to look this up > > John L. Carpenter > > Walpole,N.H. > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have noticed in some of my carpenter relatives that Type O blood seems prevalent How many Carpenter's have this similarity. My father was type O - My Mother was AB + most all my fathers family are type O I am O my oldest brother is a O but one brother is a A+. I am no expert on blood genetics can some one send me some reference's ? to look this up John L. Carpenter Walpole,N.H. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

All, Please note that the shape of the head is a genetically determined trait with equal contribution from both parents. Although one might expect people to choose mates who are physically similar to themselves, the fact is that the shape of the head (long vs short, front-to-back) is very difficult to see on someone wearing long hair and a hat / cap / bonnet. In other words, any "pattern" you might see among your close Carpenter relatives is purely accidental and transient. John Chandler

Bob, Are yours of the MA/RI lines? Phoebe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Ok, now that were on the head does any Carpenter's have the following? ANATOLIAN BUMP Back of Head \lllllllllllllllllllllllll/ ears ( ___x___ ) ears x marks the bump's location \valley / the ridge is the line __ shown \ / neck / \__shoulders The reason I ask is that every Carpenter in my direct family has this. Jim Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <Carpenter-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Heads and Carp. Memorial > The best place to view Carpenter cranial shapes would be the photos in > "The Carpenter Memorial" by brachycephalic Amos Carpenter. I would say at > least 80% share in the characteristic. > > Bruce > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well said by several. I was quite surprised to read some of it. This list is definitely NOT the place for such material. Bette ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHSU John R. Carpenter" <gra_jrc@shsu.edu> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Koestler's Kazar "research" >I am really disappointed that this anti-Semitic website is being promoted > here. No, make that actually pissed off. That someone claiming to be a > scholar has been taken in by this stains academia, if indeed it is the > case that he is a scholar. Bruce, this is contemptuous at best, and you > can use your darkest imagination as to what I would call it at worst. > > There has been much legitimate Khazar research, and from what little I've > seen of it, it is very fascinating. But, there is other Khazar "research" > that has been insidiously used to lay the groundwork among some that > Western Jews are descendents of Khazars in their entirety, thus leading to > the "natural" conclusion that they then have no claim to the Holy Land. An > academic intifada if you will. > > I suggest that the moderator or whomever is in charge of this list forbids > this garbage from appearing here again. Let's keep this list focused on > genealogy, not hatred. > > Rick Carpenter, B.S. in Printing Mgt, Sam Houston State University, 1982, > (not even pretending to be a scholar but one who knows bs when he sees it > even though he only has a B.S) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 > 10:17 AM > >

Same here. Our Carpenters were/are thin, tall, with rather thin facial structure. However with the number of Carpenters around, the number of generations that (of course) married, etc. there must related carpenters of all sizes and shapes. Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Carpenter<mailto:bob-carpenter@comcast.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com<mailto:carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic Phoebe Right on the head..lall my Carpenters fit that discription... Bob C----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com<mailto:Mzzcortezz@aol.com>> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com<mailto:carpenter@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic > Who is the immigrant? Which line? Doesn't seem to fit the descendants > of > my NY Carpenters but there were plenty of other contributors to the gene > pool. > I tend to think of Carpenters being tall and skinny - the long heads??? > > Phoebe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Phoebe We have both in my Carpenter family line. Jim Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic > Who is the immigrant? Which line? Doesn't seem to fit the descendants > of > my NY Carpenters but there were plenty of other contributors to the gene > pool. > I tend to think of Carpenters being tall and skinny - the long heads??? > > Phoebe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:03:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carpenter-request@rootsweb.com writes: I suggest that the moderator or whomever is in charge of this list forbids this garbage from appearing here again. Let's keep this list focused on genealogy, not hatred. I see a article in which someone's research is posted which is Just that someone's research it may be the author's opinion that the Jews are not Israelites or the from his research. Bruce has posted a referral to a web site that might have offended some by some of the subject but it is just a matter of interpretation. I see no malice or willful anti-Semitic .All research is subject to critics If there is better research feel free to post enlighten us. I can not stop postings prior to posting without great deal of work I can stop people from further postings forever. Please keep comments and accusations off the list. John L. Carpenter List Moderator ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I am really disappointed that this anti-Semitic website is being promoted here. No, make that actually pissed off. That someone claiming to be a scholar has been taken in by this stains academia, if indeed it is the case that he is a scholar. Bruce, this is contemptuous at best, and you can use your darkest imagination as to what I would call it at worst. There has been much legitimate Khazar research, and from what little I've seen of it, it is very fascinating. But, there is other Khazar "research" that has been insidiously used to lay the groundwork among some that Western Jews are descendents of Khazars in their entirety, thus leading to the "natural" conclusion that they then have no claim to the Holy Land. An academic intifada if you will. I suggest that the moderator or whomever is in charge of this list forbids this garbage from appearing here again. Let's keep this list focused on genealogy, not hatred. Rick Carpenter, B.S. in Printing Mgt, Sam Houston State University, 1982, (not even pretending to be a scholar but one who knows bs when he sees it even though he only has a B.S)

Phoebe Right on the head..lall my Carpenters fit that discription... Bob C----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic > Who is the immigrant? Which line? Doesn't seem to fit the descendants > of > my NY Carpenters but there were plenty of other contributors to the gene > pool. > I tend to think of Carpenters being tall and skinny - the long heads??? > > Phoebe > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who is the immigrant? Which line? Doesn't seem to fit the descendants of my NY Carpenters but there were plenty of other contributors to the gene pool. I tend to think of Carpenters being tall and skinny - the long heads??? Phoebe ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Myself and all my Carpenter relatives have pronounced brachycephalic head shapes. Koestler maintained this was a hallmark of the Ashkenazi i.e. Khazar ancestry. Bruce Clinton, WA

This Richard Carpenter may be the one who was imported by Capt. Thomas Paulett before 15 Jan 1637/8 on which date Paulett received 2,000 acres in Charles City Co. VA for importing 38 persons including Richard Carpenter. Richard does not appear to have seated the land -- the 13 Jun 1636 transaction was a "paperwork" transferral of ownership to him, and he and Cooke in turn transferred it to John Davis and Robert Craddock on 29 Jul 1637. Harihatox was in Virginia -- it was southeast of Richmond on the north side of the James River in present-day Henrico Co. VA. The name was spelled many ways in the original records, including Harrowattocks, Harryaddocks, Harristocks, and Harrow Attocks, but now most often spelled Arrowhattocks. Assignment was the transferral of title on a land warrant (rather than a deed), usually by sale but sometimes for payment of a debt of some sort. It should be noted that the original record does not include the annotation implying "Baugh" might be a variant of "Ball", and that John Baugh was a prominent landowner in that area. Terry --- Donna Cuzze <dcuzze@earthlink.net> wrote: > These three VA records were taken in part from > the Carpenter-L Archives Jan 2002, post made by > Jack A Schoedinger. > > Who is this Richard Carpenter? Were Davis and > Craddock in NJ? > What does assignment mean? > > ________________________________<paste> > 1) Assignment, June 13, 1636, from John BAUGH > (BALL?) of Varina, planter, toCooke and > CARPENTER, of the land patented by him. > _________________________________________2) > 1637 VARobert Craddock and John Davis, 600 > acres in the county of Henrico,300 of which > lies northerly upon a great swamp, and > southerly towardstha land of Alice Edlow, > widow, and "westerly over the river", calledby > the name of the Longfield. Due as follows: 300 > by assignment fromWm. Cooke and RICHARD > CARPENTER, and 300 for the transportation of > sixpersons (names not given). Aug. 15, 1637. > _________________3) Assignment, July 29, 1637, > of Cooke and CARPENTER, to John Davis andRobert > Craddocke, of Harihatox*, planters. FROM GNIS: > *HARIHOKAKE Variant Name > Cakceahocake Creek Citation1 > Hunterdon 019 New Jersey > 34 US Thanks,Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Anyone interested in Khazar history will find the following of interest http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm#The%20Thirteenth%20Tribe A book I read a number of years ago and enjoyed much. Now very much in fashion again due to DNA findings. Bruce Carpenter

flat faced and short nosed similar to pugs,boston terriers..donot like heat and snort..I donot think any of us have that face or head type.. Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <Carpenter-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic > Myself and all my Carpenter relatives have pronounced brachycephalic head > shapes. Koestler maintained this was a hallmark of the Ashkenazi i.e. > Khazar ancestry. > > Bruce > Clinton, WA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmmm, Broad, but short, headed ... err, skulled. I can relate to that. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachycephalic At least we don't have "Brachycephalic airway syndrome." http://www.petalia.com.au/templates/StoryTemplate_Process.cfm?Story_No=1875&specie=2#ct-4 John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <Carpenter-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] brachycephalic > Myself and all my Carpenter relatives have pronounced brachycephalic head > shapes. Koestler maintained this was a hallmark of the Ashkenazi i.e. > Khazar ancestry. > > Bruce > Clinton, WA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

These three VA records were taken in part from the Carpenter-L Archives Jan 2002, post made by Jack A Schoedinger. Who is this Richard Carpenter? Were Davis and Craddock in NJ? What does assignment mean? ________________________________<paste> 1) Assignment, June 13, 1636, from John BAUGH (BALL?) of Varina, planter, toCooke and CARPENTER, of the land patented by him. _________________________________________2) 1637 VARobert Craddock and John Davis, 600 acres in the county of Henrico,300 of which lies northerly upon a great swamp, and southerly towardstha land of Alice Edlow, widow, and "westerly over the river", calledby the name of the Longfield. Due as follows: 300 by assignment fromWm. Cooke and RICHARD CARPENTER, and 300 for the transportation of sixpersons (names not given). Aug. 15, 1637. _________________3) Assignment, July 29, 1637, of Cooke and CARPENTER, to John Davis andRobert Craddocke, of Harihatox*, planters. FROM GNIS: *HARIHOKAKE Variant Name Cakceahocake Creek Citation1 Hunterdon 019 New Jersey 34 US Thanks,Donna