Donna wrote: > 1722 : Job Carpenter .......... from Northants (North Hants?) Yes, Northants is short for Northamptonshire. John Chandler

EARLY USA CARPENTERS The following are records of some early Carpenters in the US. It seems everyone wants to connect to the RI Carpenters, but some of us had to come from other lines. Does anyone have the lineage or info on any of the following persons that would lead to SC or GA ? INDENTURED SERVANTS TO "VIRGINIA" 1659 : William Carpenter ...... from The Hay, Brecon 1662 : John Carpenter 1667 : John Carpenter INDENTURED SERVANTS TO "MARYLAND" 1684 : William Carpenter ...... from Yorke 1719 : Henry Carpenter ........from Ireland INDENTURED SERVANT TO "PENNSYLVANIA" 1722 : Job Carpenter .......... from Northants (North Hants?) Indentures usually lasted 3 to 5 years, so these men could have been on their own shortly after coming to the US. LAND GRANTS: 1657 : Phillip Carpenter was given 1000 acres in the Potomac freshes (non-salt water) in 1657 for transportation of 7 persons. 1658 : Francis Carpenter who had a land grant, also on the Potomac freshes. Unless all 8 of these persons died without heirs or went back to England/Ireland, they must have descendants. TWO MORE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE CARPENTERS: 1632 : Silvestor TATNUM record with reference to "Caponter" was in Martins Hundred, VA. 1624 : Thomas PASMERE whose trade was a carpenter, was in James City, VA. THE MISSING 100 YEARS My Carpenter ancestor was in SC circa 1806-1810 being born about 1780. This means there is only about a 100 year gap to the men who first came to the US. Obviously, most records are gone, but MAYBE someone out there has information on these first settlers that can help connect my line. Did your ancestor have a Reuben or Thomas Carpenter born circa 1780s that dissappeared about 1800? If so, would love to hear from you. Feel free to email me personally at unites26282@mypacks.net Donna Carpenter-Cuzze

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I was looking at our Rehoboth-Carpenter DNA matches and near matches at the Sorenson website and thought I might check any the Slovinian, Hungarian and Polish surnames for a Jewish connection. Most were. BC

Marilyn: << Can anyone help me identify the following Havilands who married into the Carpenter family? I especially would like to know parents' names: << Hannah Carpenter: b. about 1713; d. before 1766 m. Solomon Haviland: b. ?; d. after 1742 . . . >> HANNAH5 CARPENTER was born at Musketa Cove (then part of Oyster Bay, now the city of Glen Cove), Queens (that part now Nassau) Co., N.Y., say 1722, daughter of Thomas4 and Hannah (______ [not Alsop]) Carpenter; she died at Rye, Westchester Co., N.Y., or Greenwich, Fairfield Co., Conn., probably in the 1740s (only one known child), certainly before 29 August 1766 (date of father's will, in which she is not named). She married at Rye, 17 9th month [November] 1742, SOLOMON HAVILAND, who was born at Rye, say 1720, son of Benjamin and Charity (Farrington??? [not documented]) Haviland; he died at Greenwich not long before 22 June 1772 (letters of admin.), leaving a widow Esther. Sources: Daniel Hoogland Carpenter, _History and Genealogy of the Carpenter Family in America, from the Settlement at Providence, R.I., 1637–1901_ (Jamaica, N.Y., 1901), 67n–68n, citing Oyster Bay Records, B:103–6, 1:469, 470, 476; William S. Pelletreau, ed., _Early Wills of Westchester County, New York, from 1664 to 1784_ (New York, 1898), 48, 219–20; Pelletreau, _Abstracts of Wills on File in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York_, 17 vols. (New York, 1893–1913), 2:11; New York Wills and Administrations, 15:127–28; Douglas Leffingwell, _Alsop Genealogy_ (n.p., 1928), 2–4; Purchase (Rye) Monthly Meeting Records (1700–1800), 1, 4 [FHL film #17,293, item 1]; Westchester Co. Deeds, F:328, G:46–47; Greenwich Deeds, 6:359, 10:257; Stamford (Conn.) District Probate, 3:499, 4:12, 6:388–89; Josephine C. Frost, _The Haviland Genealogy_ (N.Y., 1914), 50–51, 70–71, 110 (caveat). Gene Z. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Can anyone help me identify the following Havilands who married into the Carpenter family? I especially would like to know parents' names.: Hannah Carpenter: b. about 1713; d. before 1766 m. Solomon Haviland: b. ?; d. after 1742 Phebe Carpenter: b. 3-24-1740/41 in Rye, Westchester Co., NY; d. 12-30-1806 in Westchester Co., NY m. John Haviland: b. 8-1-1734 in New York; d. 2-28-1804 in Westchester Co., NY Thomas Carpenter: b. 1747 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 2-26-1817 in Harrisons, Westchester Co., NY m. Elizabeth Haviland: b. before 1756; d. 2-28-1807 probably in New York Samuel Barnes: b. about October 4, 1789 in Harrison, Westchester Co., NY; d. 3-14-1846 m. Letecia Haviland: b. 6-19-1791; d. 9-18-1876 (NOTE: Samuel Barnes was a Carpenter descendant) David H. Barnes: b. 11-23-1802 in Westchester Co., NY; d. 12-15-1880 m. Naomi B. Haviland: b. 2-16-1803; d. 6-24-1882 (NOTE: David Barnes was a Carpenter descendant) Elnathan Carpenter: b. 2-27-1808; d. 2-18-1892 in Harrison, Westchester Co., NY m. Hannah F. Haviland: b. 3-15-1806; d. 1-15-1887 James Carpenter: b. 8-27-1813; d. 12-1-1853 m. Mary Haviland: b. February, 1813; d. December, 1851 Elizabeth Carpenter: b. 10-8-1820; d. 3-17-1883 m. Solomon A. Haviland: b. 4-11-1818; d. 3-2-1901 thank you Marilyn (Heavilin) Current ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Phyllis wrote: > There is a book "Eating Right 4 your?blood type".? It tells where > people of different blood types come from on the earth. It has a lot > of information about blood types, and the types of food you should > eat for your blood type.? The world is full of books giving advice about eating, but most of them shouldn't be taken too seriously. Note that the major blood types exist in apes as well as humans, so there is no such thing as a localized geographical origin for any of them. The blood types spread across the world from before the beginning of humanity. John Chandler

I don't know what blood my grandfather Carpenter had, but my Mother Johnnie Dee Carpenter had O neg, but my Dad a Collins also had O neg,? my brother, sister and I all have O neg.? There is a book "Eating Right 4 your?blood type".? It tells where people of different blood types come from on the earth. It has a lot of information about blood types, and the types of food you should eat for your blood type.? I married a guy with A postivie, I have one child that is A postive, one that is A negative and one that is O postive.? Phyllis C Rummel -----Original Message----- From: Gray Church <graychurch@verizon.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:30 pm Subject: [CARPENTER] Blood Types My father, Warren Lee Carpenter, had blood type B. My mother, Margaret Ann Gray (Carpenter), has blood type A. My two sisters have AB and I am O+. Gray Carpenter (Church) Temecula, California ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

My father, Warren Lee Carpenter, had blood type B. My mother, Margaret Ann Gray (Carpenter), has blood type A. My two sisters have AB and I am O+. Gray Carpenter (Church) Temecula, California

Thanks John! Good response. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Johnlsaywhat@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 179 > The Discussion of Cranial measurement is over stop now or else face > removal > from list > I have allowed discussion but it is getting personal mudslinging take it > off the list both of John & Bruce correspond your discussion off the list > > > > John L. Carpenter > > Walpole,N.H. > List Moderator > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

John, Thank you for your thoughtful, sobering and outstanding email. I hope this soon ends the "Carpenter origin" discussion. Dawn Carpenter

The Discussion of Cranial measurement is over stop now or else face removal from list I have allowed discussion but it is getting personal mudslinging take it off the list both of John & Bruce correspond your discussion off the list John L. Carpenter Walpole,N.H. List Moderator ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

The best place to view Carpenter cranial shapes would be the photos in "The Carpenter Memorial" by brachycephalic Amos Carpenter. I would say at least 80% share in the characteristic. Bruce

Koestler's book is not anti-semitic and is read and enjoyed by many Jews. Koestler was himself a Jew. The website may be anti Israel, but that doesn't subtract from the book. Read the book. Ignore the website. Bruce carpenter

An interesting article on "craniometry" and Jews found at: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=852&letter=C Bruce Carpenter

John, Here's a link to give you an idea of the inheritance factors in blood types. http://www.drgreene.com/21_59.html Blood is usually typed in 2 ways: according to the ABO groupings, and according to the Rhesus factor (expressed as Rh negative or Rh positive). Certain blood types are dominant, & others are recessive. What blood type you have depends on your parents' blood types. Of course, there are many, many subgoupings that are used to identify tissue & blood types now, as needed for matching transplant tissues. With regard to transfusions, everyone can receive blood type O negative in an emergency, so if you're that blood type, please donate! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Johnlsaywhat@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] blood types >I have noticed in some of my carpenter relatives that Type O blood seems > prevalent How many Carpenter's have this similarity. My father was type > O - My > Mother was AB + most all my fathers family are type O I am O my oldest > brother is a O but one brother is a A+. I am no expert on blood genetics > can some > one send me some reference's ? to look this up > > John L. Carpenter > > Walpole,N.H. > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 9/9/2007 10:34:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carpenter-request@rootsweb.com writes: An interesting article on "craniometry" and Jews found at: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=852&letter=C Why is it so important to measure the head ? For what purpose ???? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

John The males from grandfather to my sons' boy are or were O positive. Bob C ----- Original Message ----- From: <Johnlsaywhat@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] blood types >I have noticed in some of my carpenter relatives that Type O blood seems > prevalent How many Carpenter's have this similarity. My father was type > O - My > Mother was AB + most all my fathers family are type O I am O my oldest > brother is a O but one brother is a A+. I am no expert on blood genetics > can some > one send me some reference's ? to look this up > > John L. Carpenter > > Walpole,N.H. > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message