Does anyone have a hard copy of the Family Tree Mker Manual prefer current 2005 or up I am passing my genealogy to my nephew to carry our tree forward to the Next generation of Carpenters John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Gene, thank you once again. Excellent work. So, as a generalization we might infer that we have a Richard Carpenter in Little Bedwyn with a daughter born approximately early 16oos. I am assuming she was not quite legal age, but close. This would heighten suspicions that Richard was a brother of William(1). With no other records (as of yet) of a parent family in the area, we might also assume Richard had arrived from elsewhere than the immediate area, as did William (1). BC

Apologies to all: Although my analysis of Philip Heath's probate documents had a sound basis (the meaning of "durante minori aetate"; the adult status of married females, regardless of age, under English common law; etc.), I'm embarrassed to say that my conclusion as to the identity of Joanna Carpenter was nevertheless wrong. In checking notes I made during a 2001 search of the fragmentary, sometimes illegible parish records of Little Bedwyn (Bishops' Transcripts), I find that the single, relevant record I was able to discern is that of the marriage, on 23 April 1622, of Richard Carpenter and Jone/Jane Heath. She is almost certainly the Joanna Carpenter who was granted administration on the estate of Philip Heath a couple of months later, and he is undoubtedly the Richard Carpenter who filed an administrative bond on her behalf. It is reasonable to suppose that Joanna (Heath) Carpenter was a close relative (daughter or sister?) of Philip Heath's. But since we don't know her age or that of Richard Carpenter, and given the commonness of the Carpenter name, no assumptions are appropriate at present concerning the nature--or existence--of a family connection between him and the Carpenters of Shalbourne. It is a _possibility_ and nothing more. Gene Z. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Thanks to Gene for his clarifications on “durante minori aetate” and “smith.” A question I have is why the deceased would appoint an underage female to the legal responsibility of his estate, although I realize the practice took place. Wouldn’t Joanna have more likely been the sister of the deceased, and wife of Richard Carpenter, married although legally underage? The business of stated professions in 17th century England is problematic. The following quote from Cambell’s “The English Yeoman” touches on this and gives a well known example of a multi-profession yeoman: “And John Shakespeare, the poet’s father, is in some documents styled yeoman and elsewhere described as glover, butcher, and whittawer (p. 160). A Carpenter could have easily been a carpenter, a smith as well as in the cloth business at the same time. BC.

In a message dated 10/20/2007 3:03:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carpenter-request@rootsweb.com writes: If this week was Veteran's Day what is November 11th? the effects of aging brain inspired by a news article ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Bruce wrote: << Wouldn't Joanna have more likely been the sister of the deceased, and wife of Richard Carpenter, married although legally underage? >> Under English common law, when an underage female married, she became an adult for legal purposes. If Joanna had been married, the phrase "durante minori aetate" would be inappropriate. And if she'd been Richard's wife, we would probably find her name along with his in the first paragraph of the administrative bond and as a cosignatory. Gene Z. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

At 10:24 PM 10/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >The definition of a serviceman/Veteran is a man or woman who has signed a >blank check to their country for any amount up to and including their lives. >THANK YOU TO ALL THE SERVICE PEOPLE ACTIVE AND VETERANS. > >Happy Veterans Day To all that gave some and some who gave it all > > >John L. Carpenter MSG US Army,Ret. >PO Box 912 >Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 If this week was Veteran's Day what is November 11th? Tim Stowell

Bruce wrote: << Documents for a 1625 Anthony Early of Little Bedwyn show a debt notation for Richard Carpenter. Richard must have been something of a businessman in the town and perhaps area. Both image 3 and 4 show the notation. >> The item in question identifies Richard Carpenter as "a smithe." Chances are he's the same man as Richard Carpenter, blacksmith, who was the probable father of Joanna Carpenter, administratrix on the estate of Philip Heath (see separate posting, "Joanna and Richard Carpenter," this date). << Anthony Early also seems to be a tailor, a point to be kept in mind. Points perhaps better kept in mind are that (1) William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth and his father, William1, were house carpenters--not sheepmen, weavers, clothiers, or the like--and (2) the occupation of Richard Carpenter of Amesbury, father of William1 of Providence (whose estate inventory also contains many house carpenter's tools), is unknown. At present, the best evidence as to this Richard's origin points to the parish of Newton Toney (adjacent to Amesbury). << If anyone san find that reference figure out the preceeding word,?please let me know. >> The word preceding what? Image number? Gene Z. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

In reference to Bruce's postings about documents relating to the estate of Philip Heath of Little Bedwyn and mentioning administratrix Joanna Carpenter and also a Richard Carpenter: On 28 June 1622, Joanna Carpenter was granted letters of administration "durante minori aetate" on the estate of Philip Heath (P5/10Reg/133A [misidentified as an administrative bond]). She was not then of legal age and thus was unable to perform her administrative duties at that time. Such an appointment remains valid until the administrator reaches adulthood and discharges the responsibilities with which he/she has been entrusted. On the same date, Richard Carpenter, blacksmith, filed a bond relating to the administration of Philip Heath's estate by Joanna Carpenter (P5/1622/38, image 1). He was almost certainly her father. Gene Z. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

This is from a friend over on another family site. I know a few people have received an e-mail saying unsubscribe from the site. DELETE IT~~~!!!! Here you go, John..from my site..just copied. ATTN: EVERYONE!!! - Oct 16, 2007 View | Viewers Categories: announcements/info (delete in about 3 months), Current Events (will be deleted in about 3 month) I am passing this on to our members. It was on the Admin site, and it is something you need to know. Several people have received this email from Unsubscribe.myfamily.com. There has been nothing in the body. DO NOT EVEN OPEN IT if you get it. There have been some reports of people getting it, and then finding themselves off the site they were on. There is a possibility they deleted themselves. If you receive it, please delete it. It is not from MyFamily. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Anthony Early also seems to be a tailor, a point to be kept in mind. If anyone san find that reference figure out the preceeding word,　please let me know. BC

Documents for a 1625 Anthony Early of Little Bedwyn show a debt notation for Richard Carpenter. Richard must have been something of a businessman in the town and perhaps area. Both image 3 and 4 show the notation. Bruce Carpenter

There is English in the Administration Bond document. Joanna is mentioned as the "administratorix" for Heath. Richard is referred to as "Richard Carpenter de Bedwin". Perhaps Joanna was Richard's wife? One thought comes to mind here with this document. The entire area between and including the Bedwyns to Marlborough and including much of the land of Amesbury was under the control of one estate i.e. The Savernak. The lords of manor i.e. the Seymour family lived half the time in Amesbury and half the time in Great Bedwyn. Hmnn. Amesbury Richard? Bruce Carpenter

View the other documents as well. I see a reference to a Richard Carpenter with a signature at the bottom. Bruce Carpenter

Among Wiltshire wills for a Philip Heath for 1622 in Little Bedwyn there is a reference to a Joanna Carpenter. The Bedwyns are next to Shalbourne. There are indications William Carpenter (1) had dealings with the locals there. Could Joanna be his wife? A perfect will for all you Latin scholars. Bruce Carpenter Nara, japan

Happy Veterans Day to all.. Tom Elliott, MSgt, USAF Retired Texas But remember what this started last year!! -----Original Message----- >From: CHENDE5478@aol.com >Sent: Oct 15, 2007 5:31 AM >To: carpenter@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Veterans day > >Thak You John, and the same to you, Happy Veterans Day. > >Chuck Henderson, SGM, US Army Retired >Harnett County NC >Fort Bragg. >Home of the 82nd Airborne Division and Special Forces > > > > > >The definition of a serviceman/Veteran is a man or woman who has signed a >blank check to their country for any amount up to and including their lives. > >THANK YOU TO ALL THE SERVICE PEOPLE ACTIVE AND VETERANS. > >You Wrote: Happy Veterans Day To all that gave some and some who gave it >all > > >John L. Carpenter MSG US Army,Ret. >PO Box 912 >Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 > > > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Hello Carpenters, To all those that have served, one way or another, May God Bless you and your family. 'Lest we forget' May we also remember those that now serve, that they too will be home safely next year, So we can honor them as having served. John R. Carpenter US Army, ASA, WIA La Mesa, CA

Thak You John, and the same to you, Happy Veterans Day. Chuck Henderson, SGM, US Army Retired Harnett County NC Fort Bragg. Home of the 82nd Airborne Division and Special Forces The definition of a serviceman/Veteran is a man or woman who has signed a blank check to their country for any amount up to and including their lives. THANK YOU TO ALL THE SERVICE PEOPLE ACTIVE AND VETERANS. You Wrote: Happy Veterans Day To all that gave some and some who gave it all John L. Carpenter MSG US Army,Ret. PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

The definition of a serviceman/Veteran is a man or woman who has signed a blank check to their country for any amount up to and including their lives. THANK YOU TO ALL THE SERVICE PEOPLE ACTIVE AND VETERANS. Happy Veterans Day To all that gave some and some who gave it all John L. Carpenter MSG US Army,Ret. PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

For reference and of interest: Just up the Potomac River is an inlet named Wicomico. On the Northwest side is the "Fresh Marsh" and "Allen's Fresh." On the Southwest side is a landmark called "Carpenter Point." This is in Charles County Maryland. (not to be confused with Carpenter Point in Cecil Co). Both Francis and Phillip Carpenter had 1657/8 land records on the "Freshes" of the Potomac. Since Phillip had a thousand acres on the "Freshes," it would be interesting to know if Carpenter Point was named after him. Does anyone know? Donna Carpenter-Cuzze