John, We recently received our Uncle's DNA test results. We would like to compare them with other Carpenters, but we are not sure how to go about that. Could you please contact us. Thank you. w.e.siewert@juno.com -- "John R. Carpenter" <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> wrote: Phyllis, Please check out the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project web site at: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm The Y-DNA tests are only for males. The MtDNA tests are for males & females. Briefly the MtDNA tests only the maternal maternal line. This is mitochondrial DNA is passed from the mother to her children and only the females can pass it down to their children. The book, "The Seven Daughters of Eve" by Brian Sykes describes how MtDNA is used for deep ancestry. The Y-DNA is passed from father to son only. It is passed down virtually unchanged over the generations. Since the surname usually does not change with males, this type of DNA test is very helpful in comparing those with the same surname. If you could find a living male descendant of your Great Uncle William Carpenter, the Y-DNA test could help confirm the paper trail lineage. This would be done by matching or comparing to others who are descendant of the different Carpenter Groups on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Carpenter CD Project Update http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/index Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:55:46 -0500 From: Phyllis <pfcr@aol.com> Are these just for the men?? My mother was a Carpenter, but she is deceased. Most of my side of the line has ended. There was a William Carpenter (Great Uncle) who went to OK, but have no information on his children.? My other cousins have passed on too. My Aunt, sister to my Mother is still alive.? Phyllis Rummel Photography ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ Click now to choose from thousands of designs for your checks! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifWif1YfOqbK2WXu9Ve535ADV2J0qE1XmfC0fPMqGCQfLEQv/

John, Could you email me off-line? I got my results back and I have some questions about them. Thank you, Anita -- "John R. Carpenter" <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> wrote: Hello, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has opened up its Holiday Gift Certifcate Program. These certificates are for NEW DNA tests and are not for upgrades. If you have been waiting for a discount off the already group discounted rates for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Now is the time to apply! What is the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project? See: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm I will keep the list posted with availability. First come, first serve. Contact me - off-list - for questions, further details or purchases not covered below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA jrcrin001@cox.net subject: FTDNA Gift Certs Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test 1) available 2) available $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test 1) available 2) available $15 off a mtDNA Test 1) available 2) available HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? The following costs are BEFORE the Holiday Gift discounts. As part of the Family Tree DNA Family Reconstruction Project Program, we have obtained the following special prices for our project: Y-DNA 25-marker test $148 + $2 SH Y-DNA 37-marker test $189 + $2 SH MtDNA - male or female maternal ancestry test (HVR-1) - $89 + $2 SH ** MtDNAPlus - male or female high resolution maternal match (HVR1 & 2) - $159 + $2 SH ** Please note SH - Shipping & Handling is $4 outside the United States. ** The MtDNA tests (X chromosome) are not compared on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project since they are for the mother's mother's mother, etc lines. Details from FTDNA: It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests. Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order. Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test $15 off a mtDNA Test To use the certificate: 1) Place the new kit order via the INVOICE PAYMENT method. 2) (Have the Group Administrator contact Jule with) the kit number once the order is complete and which gift certificate to use from your project. 3) The test price will be adjusted to reflect the gift certificate discount. 4) PLEASE DO NOT USE CREDIT CARDS WITH THIS PROMOTION AS THE CARD WILL BE CHARGED THE FULL AMOUNT. The Order must be placed and paid for between November 6, 2007 and December 31, 2007. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ Increase your income. Click here be trained as a medical transcriptionist. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifev307cNYzqtpSUpg0k0eJbwD4mmyWhqU5zdJQZmhEgyraP/

Susan, Here is some of what I have. Descendants of James Henry Carpenter Descendants of James Henry Carpenter 1 [1] James Henry Carpenter 1852 - 1920 .. +? Thompson *2nd Wife of [1] James Henry Carpenter: .. +Cynthia Thompson 1856 - 1913 ........ 2 William H W Carpenter 1876 - 1913 ........ 2 George Green Carpenter 1878 - 1962 ............ +Harriet Louisa Brown 1880 - 1966 ................... 3 [2] Alva Pauline Carpenter 1898 - 1925 ....................... +Frank Davis ................... *2nd Husband of [2] Alva Pauline Carpenter: ....................... +Kay McGuire ................... 3 Bertha A. Carpenter 1900 - 1900 ................... 3 Son Carpenter 1901 - 1901 ................... 3 Uneeta Dorthea Carpenter 1904 - 1950 ....................... +Eugene Columbus Christian 1901 - 1960 ................... 3 Arietta Hortense Carpenter 1906 - 1999 ....................... +Roy K. Plummer 1897 - 1988 ................... 3 [3] Lela Lavinia Carpenter 1911 - ....................... +Marion Frank Warrach 1906 - 1989 ................... *2nd Husband of [3] Lela Lavinia Carpenter: ....................... +George O Jenkins 1918 - 1983 ................... 3 G. H. Carpenter 1916 - 2001 ....................... +Virgie Madaline Nichols 1923 - 1998 ................... 3 [4] Johnnie Dee Carpenter 1918 - 1999 ....................... +Thomas Peter Rickett 1910 - 1962 ................... *2nd Husband of [4] Johnnie Dee Carpenter: ....................... +Carroll Franklin Collins 1923 - 2000 ........ 2 Addie Lou Carpenter 1880 - 1938 ............ +John Andrew Snipes 1871 - 1932 ........ 2 Ada Bell Carpenter 1883 - 1950 ............ +Lawrence Monroe Snipes 1881 - 1977 ................... 3 Clyde Snipes ................... 3 Clyita Snipes ................... 3 Clorine Snipes ................... 3 Christine Mae Snipes 1912 - 1972 ....................... +Pace ................... 3 John A (Jack) Snipes 1915 - 1995 ....................... +Doris Keeton 1914 - ........ 2 Jessie Carpenter 1885 - ............ +T. J. Moore ........ 2 Charles Riley Carpenter 1888 - 1951 ............ +Della Grigsby 1890 - 1921 ................... 3 Carl Houston Carpenter 1915 - 1994 ........ 2 Dee Carpenter 1892 - 1971 ............ +Jewel Davidson ........ 2 Beulah Carpenter 1895 - 1895 *3rd Wife of [1] James Henry Carpenter: .. +Lisa Brannon ?Phyllis Rummel Photography -----Original Message----- From: Carpenter, Susan <susan.carpenter@oregonstate.edu> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Fw: 2007 Holiday Gift Certificates from FTDNA - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Phyllis my William Ambrose Carpenter immigrated to Oklahoma as well about 1880. He was born in Mississippi to Jane C. Davis and Ambrose Carpenter. Is there a connection? Susan Ashworth Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phyllis Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:56 PM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Fw: 2007 Holiday Gift Certificates from FTDNA - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Are these just for the men?? My mother was a Carpenter, but she is deceased. Most of my side of the line has ended. There was a William Carpenter (Great Uncle) who went to OK, but have no information on his children.? My other cousins have passed on too. My Aunt, sister to my Mother is still alive.? ?Phyllis Rummel Photography -----Original Message----- From: John R. Carpenter <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 1:10 pm Subject: [CARPENTER] Fw: 2007 Holiday Gift Certificates from FTDNA - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Hello, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has opened up its Holiday Gift Certifcate Program. These certificates are for NEW DNA tests and are not for upgrades. If you have been waiting for a discount off the already group discounted rates for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Now is the time to apply! What is the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project? See: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm I will keep the list posted with availability. First come, first serve. Contact me - off-list - for questions, further details or purchases not covered below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA jrcrin001@cox.net subject: FTDNA Gift Certs Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test 1) available 2) available $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test 1) available 2) available $15 off a mtDNA Test 1) available 2) available HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? The following costs are BEFORE the Holiday Gift discounts. As part of the Family Tree DNA Family Reconstruction Project Program, we have obtained the following special prices for our project: Y-DNA 25-marker test $148 + $2 SH Y-DNA 37-marker test $189 + $2 SH MtDNA - male or female maternal ancestry test (HVR-1) - $89 + $2 SH ** MtDNAPlus - male or female high resolution maternal match (HVR1 & 2) - $159 + $2 SH ** Please note SH - Shipping & Handling is $4 outside the United States. ** The MtDNA tests (X chromosome) are not compared on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project since they are for the mother's mother's mother, etc lines. Details from FTDNA: It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests. Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order. Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test $15 off a mtDNA Test To use the certificate: 1) Place the new kit order via the INVOICE PAYMENT method. 2) (Have the Group Administrator contact Jule with) the kit number once the order is complete and which gift certificate to use from your project. 3) The test price will be adjusted to reflect the gift certificate discount. 4) PLEASE DO NOT USE CREDIT CARDS WITH THIS PROMOTION AS THE CARD WILL BE CHARGED THE FULL AMOUNT. The Order must be placed and paid for between November 6, 2007 and December 31, 2007. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Phyllis, Please check out the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project web site at: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm The Y-DNA tests are only for males. The MtDNA tests are for males & females. Briefly the MtDNA tests only the maternal maternal line. This is mitochondrial DNA is passed from the mother to her children and only the females can pass it down to their children. The book, "The Seven Daughters of Eve" by Brian Sykes describes how MtDNA is used for deep ancestry. The Y-DNA is passed from father to son only. It is passed down virtually unchanged over the generations. Since the surname usually does not change with males, this type of DNA test is very helpful in comparing those with the same surname. If you could find a living male descendant of your Great Uncle William Carpenter, the Y-DNA test could help confirm the paper trail lineage. This would be done by matching or comparing to others who are descendant of the different Carpenter Groups on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Carpenter CD Project Update http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/index Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:55:46 -0500 From: Phyllis <pfcr@aol.com> Are these just for the men?? My mother was a Carpenter, but she is deceased. Most of my side of the line has ended. There was a William Carpenter (Great Uncle) who went to OK, but have no information on his children.? My other cousins have passed on too. My Aunt, sister to my Mother is still alive.? Phyllis Rummel Photography

Are these just for the men?? My mother was a Carpenter, but she is deceased. Most of my side of the line has ended. There was a William Carpenter (Great Uncle) who went to OK, but have no information on his children.? My other cousins have passed on too. My Aunt, sister to my Mother is still alive.? ?Phyllis Rummel Photography -----Original Message----- From: John R. Carpenter <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 1:10 pm Subject: [CARPENTER] Fw: 2007 Holiday Gift Certificates from FTDNA - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Hello, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has opened up its Holiday Gift Certifcate Program. These certificates are for NEW DNA tests and are not for upgrades. If you have been waiting for a discount off the already group discounted rates for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Now is the time to apply! What is the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project? See: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm I will keep the list posted with availability. First come, first serve. Contact me - off-list - for questions, further details or purchases not covered below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA jrcrin001@cox.net subject: FTDNA Gift Certs Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test 1) available 2) available $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test 1) available 2) available $15 off a mtDNA Test 1) available 2) available HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? The following costs are BEFORE the Holiday Gift discounts. As part of the Family Tree DNA Family Reconstruction Project Program, we have obtained the following special prices for our project: Y-DNA 25-marker test $148 + $2 SH Y-DNA 37-marker test $189 + $2 SH MtDNA - male or female maternal ancestry test (HVR-1) - $89 + $2 SH ** MtDNAPlus - male or female high resolution maternal match (HVR1 & 2) - $159 + $2 SH ** Please note SH - Shipping & Handling is $4 outside the United States. ** The MtDNA tests (X chromosome) are not compared on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project since they are for the mother's mother's mother, etc lines. Details from FTDNA: It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests. Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order. Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test $15 off a mtDNA Test To use the certificate: 1) Place the new kit order via the INVOICE PAYMENT method. 2) (Have the Group Administrator contact Jule with) the kit number once the order is complete and which gift certificate to use from your project. 3) The test price will be adjusted to reflect the gift certificate discount. 4) PLEASE DO NOT USE CREDIT CARDS WITH THIS PROMOTION AS THE CARD WILL BE CHARGED THE FULL AMOUNT. The Order must be placed and paid for between November 6, 2007 and December 31, 2007. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Phyllis my William Ambrose Carpenter immigrated to Oklahoma as well about 1880. He was born in Mississippi to Jane C. Davis and Ambrose Carpenter. Is there a connection? Susan Ashworth Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phyllis Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:56 PM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Fw: 2007 Holiday Gift Certificates from FTDNA - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Are these just for the men?? My mother was a Carpenter, but she is deceased. Most of my side of the line has ended. There was a William Carpenter (Great Uncle) who went to OK, but have no information on his children.? My other cousins have passed on too. My Aunt, sister to my Mother is still alive.? ?Phyllis Rummel Photography -----Original Message----- From: John R. Carpenter <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 1:10 pm Subject: [CARPENTER] Fw: 2007 Holiday Gift Certificates from FTDNA - Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Hello, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has opened up its Holiday Gift Certifcate Program. These certificates are for NEW DNA tests and are not for upgrades. If you have been waiting for a discount off the already group discounted rates for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Now is the time to apply! What is the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project? See: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm I will keep the list posted with availability. First come, first serve. Contact me - off-list - for questions, further details or purchases not covered below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA jrcrin001@cox.net subject: FTDNA Gift Certs Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test 1) available 2) available $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test 1) available 2) available $15 off a mtDNA Test 1) available 2) available HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? The following costs are BEFORE the Holiday Gift discounts. As part of the Family Tree DNA Family Reconstruction Project Program, we have obtained the following special prices for our project: Y-DNA 25-marker test $148 + $2 SH Y-DNA 37-marker test $189 + $2 SH MtDNA - male or female maternal ancestry test (HVR-1) - $89 + $2 SH ** MtDNAPlus - male or female high resolution maternal match (HVR1 & 2) - $159 + $2 SH ** Please note SH - Shipping & Handling is $4 outside the United States. ** The MtDNA tests (X chromosome) are not compared on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project since they are for the mother's mother's mother, etc lines. Details from FTDNA: It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests. Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order. Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test $15 off a mtDNA Test To use the certificate: 1) Place the new kit order via the INVOICE PAYMENT method. 2) (Have the Group Administrator contact Jule with) the kit number once the order is complete and which gift certificate to use from your project. 3) The test price will be adjusted to reflect the gift certificate discount. 4) PLEASE DO NOT USE CREDIT CARDS WITH THIS PROMOTION AS THE CARD WILL BE CHARGED THE FULL AMOUNT. The Order must be placed and paid for between November 6, 2007 and December 31, 2007. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has opened up its Holiday Gift Certifcate Program. These certificates are for NEW DNA tests and are not for upgrades. If you have been waiting for a discount off the already group discounted rates for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project - Now is the time to apply! What is the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project? See: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm I will keep the list posted with availability. First come, first serve. Contact me - off-list - for questions, further details or purchases not covered below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA jrcrin001@cox.net subject: FTDNA Gift Certs Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test 1) available 2) available $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test 1) available 2) available $15 off a mtDNA Test 1) available 2) available HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? The following costs are BEFORE the Holiday Gift discounts. As part of the Family Tree DNA Family Reconstruction Project Program, we have obtained the following special prices for our project: Y-DNA 25-marker test $148 + $2 SH Y-DNA 37-marker test $189 + $2 SH MtDNA - male or female maternal ancestry test (HVR-1) - $89 + $2 SH ** MtDNAPlus - male or female high resolution maternal match (HVR1 & 2) - $159 + $2 SH ** Please note SH - Shipping & Handling is $4 outside the United States. ** The MtDNA tests (X chromosome) are not compared on the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project since they are for the mother's mother's mother, etc lines. Details from FTDNA: It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests. Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order. Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test $15 off a mtDNA Test To use the certificate: 1) Place the new kit order via the INVOICE PAYMENT method. 2) (Have the Group Administrator contact Jule with) the kit number once the order is complete and which gift certificate to use from your project. 3) The test price will be adjusted to reflect the gift certificate discount. 4) PLEASE DO NOT USE CREDIT CARDS WITH THIS PROMOTION AS THE CARD WILL BE CHARGED THE FULL AMOUNT. The Order must be placed and paid for between November 6, 2007 and December 31, 2007.

Hi Carps, This may not be new to you, but it has been to me, I have been finding new information by searching with Google in the following manner. I have found that I can enclose two phrases with quotation marks to search and when I use the phrase "History of" combined with a first and surname, I come up with pages in books that I have not found before. I hope you find this helpful. Phoebe in CA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Oh, Phoebe, thanks. I'll put that to use ASAP. Now if I can just find out which CARPENTER actually married Juliana OWEN in 1804. Betsy in Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] A helpful way to search with Google > Hi Carps, > This may not be new to you, but it has been to me, I have been finding new > information by searching with Google in the following manner. I have > found > that I can enclose two phrases with quotation marks to search and when I > use the > phrase "History of" combined with a first and surname, I come up with > pages > in books that I have not found before. > > I hope you find this helpful. > > Phoebe in CA > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Phoebe, Didn't know that. I'm going to try it out right away. Dawn Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mzzcortezz@aol.com<mailto:Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: [CARPENTER] A helpful way to search with Google Hi Carps, This may not be new to you, but it has been to me, I have been finding new information by searching with Google in the following manner. I have found that I can enclose two phrases with quotation marks to search and when I use the phrase "History of" combined with a first and surname, I come up with pages in books that I have not found before. I hope you find this helpful. Phoebe in CA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, John. I'm a newbie, but I know to whom I owe my successes. It is good of you to let us know about him. Betsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Carpenter 2" <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> To: <CARPENTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Raymond George Carpenter - His wife recently died > Hello, > > Many of you may not be familiar with Raymond George Carpenter. He was > instrumental in the Carpenter Family Association in the 1970s. > > For many of us older folks, he was very helpful. He provided a lot of good > information and a bit of erroneous info too. > > Ray is now in his 90s and not doing to well. He recently lost his wife > and if you get a chance, please mail him a card or two over the next few > Holidays or just to say "Hello." I know he would appreciate it. > > His address is: > > Raymond George Carpenter > Vineyard Inn > 10929 Ridge Rd. > Largo, FL 33778 > > Many Thanks to Fay & Jerry Ford of Louisville, KY for providing me with > his updated address and that his wife died. > > http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=96357838 > > Gurli L. Carpenter > CARPENTER, Gurli L. 92, of Largo, passed away Wednesday, Oct. 17, > 2007, at the Vineyard Inn. A native of Brooklyn, NY, Gurli moved here in > 1977 from Howard Beach, NY. Gurli was an office manager for the Prudential > Life Insurance Co., past president of American Legion Post #314 Aux. > Baisley Park, NY, past president NY Post Aux. 28 Infantry Division, and a > member of Lake Seminole Presbyterian Church. She is survived by her > husband of 62 years, Raymond; and many nieces and nephews. Friends may > call Friday, Oct. 19 from 3:30-6 pm, and Funeral Services will be > Saturday, at 1 pm, all at the chapel of: Moss Feaster Funeral Home > Serenity Gardens/727-562-2080. > > Published in the St. Petersburg Times on 10/18/2007. > > > Take care everyone! > > Happy Halloween and I hope every one is safe during the upcoming Holidays. > > John R. Carpenter > La Mesa, CA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Many of you may not be familiar with Raymond George Carpenter. He was instrumental in the Carpenter Family Association in the 1970s. For many of us older folks, he was very helpful. He provided a lot of good information and a bit of erroneous info too. Ray is now in his 90s and not doing to well. He recently lost his wife and if you get a chance, please mail him a card or two over the next few Holidays or just to say "Hello." I know he would appreciate it. His address is: Raymond George Carpenter Vineyard Inn 10929 Ridge Rd. Largo, FL 33778 Many Thanks to Fay & Jerry Ford of Louisville, KY for providing me with his updated address and that his wife died. http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=96357838 Gurli L. Carpenter CARPENTER, Gurli L. 92, of Largo, passed away Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2007, at the Vineyard Inn. A native of Brooklyn, NY, Gurli moved here in 1977 from Howard Beach, NY. Gurli was an office manager for the Prudential Life Insurance Co., past president of American Legion Post #314 Aux. Baisley Park, NY, past president NY Post Aux. 28 Infantry Division, and a member of Lake Seminole Presbyterian Church. She is survived by her husband of 62 years, Raymond; and many nieces and nephews. Friends may call Friday, Oct. 19 from 3:30-6 pm, and Funeral Services will be Saturday, at 1 pm, all at the chapel of: Moss Feaster Funeral Home Serenity Gardens/727-562-2080. Published in the St. Petersburg Times on 10/18/2007. Take care everyone! Happy Halloween and I hope every one is safe during the upcoming Holidays. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA

Can anyone lend me a hand with confirming a connection between Hester CARPENTER, and James Carpenter of Goshen, Orange County, New York. Hester Carpenter was born at Wyoming, Luzerne, Pennsylvania on 23 September 1799 . She married Elizur Deming of Grand Barrington Massachusetts on 7 July 1818 at Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania. She died on 17 August, 1872 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe, Indiana. All of her information comes from records at St. John's Episcopal Church in Lafayette, and from biographies of Elizur, who was locally well-known as a politician (he ran for governor), a Grand Master in the Masons, a church leader, and both a practicing physician, and a professor of medicine. As you can imagine, his credentials rather eclipsed any Hester might have had. They were founding members of St. John's Episcopal Church in Lafayette, although they were probably neither one Episcopalian prior to that time. The history of the early meetings clearly state that of the dozen or so people who participated in the organizing, only 5 or 6 were Episcopalians. Hester and Elizur moved to Ohio shortly after their marriage, first to Milford, then to Chilicothe. The famous Carpenters, Benjamin and Gilbert, and the publicity shy James moved to Delaware County, Ohio, to Sunbury and Galena. James' will lists his wife as Betsy, and his children as John, Benjamin Owen, Esther, Harriet, Mary, and Elizabeth. John Carpenter was recorded as suing the estate of Benjamin Owen Carpenter in Lafayette, so they were both there; Harriet "sister of the wife of Dr. E. Deming, then a practicing physician in Chillicothe" married Thomas Chestnut, and they followed the Demings to Lafayette. Mary married Joseph Yundt, who stood godfather at various times to a number of Lafayette children. Elizabeth married George Gooding, a farmer and trader of Delaware County Ohio, and seems to have remained in Delaware County I feel fairly comfortable that Hester and Esther were the same person, particularly when I look at the names of the Deming children: James Carpenter Deming, Benjamin Owen Deming, and Anna Elizabeth. That Hester is the daughter of James Carpenter of Galena, Delaware, Ohio seems certain. And the clues that suggest the connection to Benjamin and Gilbert Carpenter of Goshen, Wyoming, and Sunbury are very tempting, but I just don't think I can say it with any certainty. >From the Alden Genealogy I find that an Elizabeth Hewitt of Luzerne County, Pennsylvania married James Carpenter of Goshen, Orange, New York in 1798, about a year and a half before Hester's birth. And James was acquiring property in Goshen up until 1798. Then nothing that I found in that set of deeds. The same James? Or a different one. Can anyone help? Thank you, Betsy

Good points all. Suspect you are right. BC > > Bruce wrote: > > << Campbell did not say Borough English was restricted to the Middle Ages > or > restricted to the counties Gene mentioned (from Wikipedia?). > > Neither did I: "Those 'certain' manors where Borough English was the > custom > in the Middle Ages were primarily in Suffolk, Surrey, Middlesex, and > Sussex. > By the seventeenth century, some (if not many) of them had adopted > primogeniture, as apparently had _all_ Wiltshire manors" (see, for > example, Rosamond > Jane Faith, "Peasant Families and Inheritance Customs in Medieval > England," > _Agricultural History Review_ 14[1966]:77-95, at 81-84, 94-95, online at > _http://www.bahs.org.uk/14n2a1.pdf_ (http://www.bahs.org.uk/14n2a1.pdf) ; > "Borough > English," in _Classic Encyclopedia_ [based on the 11th ed. of the > Encyclopaedia Britannica], online at > _http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Borough_English_ > (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Borough_English) ). > > << My reading of the 1621 Manor Survey does not indicate primogeniture > was > the rule. I will have another, more detailed look. Richard Carpenter is > still > a prime suspect for elder brother of William(2). >> > > As previously indicated, there are additional reasons to doubt this: > "William2 is named along with his father in the record of their Westcourt > copyhold's > inception, on 1 June 1608, when William1 was about 33 years old (and his > namesake son was about 3). Why, at that age, would the father have > thought that > William2 would be his last son? . . . [G]iven the naming traditions of > the > time, the son receiving his father's forename was far more likely to be > the > eldest than the youngest. In that the Carpenters' copyhold was granted > to an > entirely different family a few months before William1, William2, and the > latter's family emigrated, it's quite possible that William2 was his > father's > _only_ son (by that time, at least)." > > Gene Z. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Jerry. I will get back to you once I find out how many people are interested. Bruce > Hi Bruce, I would love to help,I just don't know where the Wills are > at,Can > u send me the link? I know I had it before but I think I deleted it when > cleaninmg up my emails, I had to many saved and my server kept sending me > messages to clean up my saved files. Talk to you soon . > > Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> > To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] wills > > >> >> Barbara: >> My only response thus far has been you. Much appreciated. Let us wait a >> bit longer. >> >> Bruce Carpenter >> >> >>> Bruce--fabulous idea! You can count me in! Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, >>> New >>> Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com >>> (home)http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> ----- Original Message ----From: Bruce E. Carpenter >>> <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp>To: Carpenter-L@rootsweb.comSent: Tuesday, >>> October 23, 2007 8:54:40 PMSubject: [CARPENTER] wills >>> >>> Now that the Wilts wills are beginning to be available online, >>> perhapsinterested individuals would be interested in a division of >>> labor >>> to findany Carpenter references in them. In other words one individual >>> would bein charge of one town?s wills for any Carpenter references. >>> Obvious townswould be Amesbury, Newton Tony, Marlborough, Little and >>> Great >>> Bedwyn,Hungerford and Shalbourne. Each researcher could keep a list and >>> check offthe names as the wills came online. >>> BC >>> >>> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please >>> send >>> an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please >>> send >>> an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bruce, I would love to help,I just don't know where the Wills are at,Can u send me the link? I know I had it before but I think I deleted it when cleaninmg up my emails, I had to many saved and my server kept sending me messages to clean up my saved files. Talk to you soon . Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] wills > > Barbara: > My only response thus far has been you. Much appreciated. Let us wait a > bit longer. > > Bruce Carpenter > > >> Bruce--fabulous idea! You can count me in! Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, >> New >> Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com >> (home)http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> ----- Original Message ----From: Bruce E. Carpenter >> <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp>To: Carpenter-L@rootsweb.comSent: Tuesday, >> October 23, 2007 8:54:40 PMSubject: [CARPENTER] wills >> >> Now that the Wilts wills are beginning to be available online, >> perhapsinterested individuals would be interested in a division of labor >> to findany Carpenter references in them. In other words one individual >> would bein charge of one town?s wills for any Carpenter references. >> Obvious townswould be Amesbury, Newton Tony, Marlborough, Little and >> Great >> Bedwyn,Hungerford and Shalbourne. Each researcher could keep a list and >> check offthe names as the wills came online. >> BC >> >> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send >> an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send >> an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When my own letters reappear on my screen many of the words are joined together. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? I am writing from Japan. Bruce Carpenter

Barbara: My only response thus far has been you. Much appreciated. Let us wait a bit longer. Bruce Carpenter > Bruce--fabulous idea! You can count me in! Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New > Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com > (home)http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > ----- Original Message ----From: Bruce E. Carpenter > <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp>To: Carpenter-L@rootsweb.comSent: Tuesday, > October 23, 2007 8:54:40 PMSubject: [CARPENTER] wills > > Now that the Wilts wills are beginning to be available online, > perhapsinterested individuals would be interested in a division of labor > to findany Carpenter references in them. In other words one individual > would bein charge of one town?s wills for any Carpenter references. > Obvious townswould be Amesbury, Newton Tony, Marlborough, Little and Great > Bedwyn,Hungerford and Shalbourne. Each researcher could keep a list and > check offthe names as the wills came online. > BC > > -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It may be that Borough English was a function of the history and traditions of a given manor. Older manors may have preserved older rules. Westcourt was part of one of the most ancient manors in England. Campbell did not say Borough English was restricted to the Middle Ages or restricted to the counties Gene mentioned (from Wikipedia?). My reading of the 1621 Manor Survey does not indicate primogeniture was the rule. I will have another, more detailed look. Richard Carpenter is still a prime suspect for elder brother of William(2). BC

Bruce wrote: << Campbell did not say Borough English was restricted to the Middle Ages or restricted to the counties Gene mentioned (from Wikipedia?). Neither did I: "Those 'certain' manors where Borough English was the custom in the Middle Ages were primarily in Suffolk, Surrey, Middlesex, and Sussex. By the seventeenth century, some (if not many) of them had adopted primogeniture, as apparently had _all_ Wiltshire manors" (see, for example, Rosamond Jane Faith, "Peasant Families and Inheritance Customs in Medieval England," _Agricultural History Review_ 14[1966]:77-95, at 81-84, 94-95, online at _http://www.bahs.org.uk/14n2a1.pdf_ (http://www.bahs.org.uk/14n2a1.pdf) ; "Borough English," in _Classic Encyclopedia_ [based on the 11th ed. of the Encyclopaedia Britannica], online at _http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Borough_English_ (http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Borough_English) ). << My reading of the 1621 Manor Survey does not indicate primogeniture was the rule. I will have another, more detailed look. Richard Carpenter is still a prime suspect for elder brother of William(2). >> As previously indicated, there are additional reasons to doubt this: "William2 is named along with his father in the record of their Westcourt copyhold's inception, on 1 June 1608, when William1 was about 33 years old (and his namesake son was about 3). Why, at that age, would the father have thought that William2 would be his last son? . . . [G]iven the naming traditions of the time, the son receiving his father's forename was far more likely to be the eldest than the youngest. In that the Carpenters' copyhold was granted to an entirely different family a few months before William1, William2, and the latter's family emigrated, it's quite possible that William2 was his father's _only_ son (by that time, at least)." Gene Z. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com