I think I asked if family members could have free access to it, but not sure. I will ask again. I think the library is open to the public, however. Meantime, I am not planning on leaving it anytime soon, even though I had a birthday last week. I am always happy to share what I have, however. I have some stuff on my blog about my carpenter descendants. If you are interested in the Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia line I can send you a lot more--deeds, wills, ancestors of daughters-in-law, etc. My DAR membership is through the Carpenters. I also have many pictures. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "Maproski@aol.com" <Maproski@aol.com> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue, Which Carpenter line is in the Bible? Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Cc: Susan Austin <susanaustin@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:37:50 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter bible on your line--- Bible now with family! Hello Folks, Let me share the message sent to me because one person (Tim) shared that a Carpenter Bible was up for auction for the Carpenter Roots Web list. Many of you share information on this list and others. AND IT HELPS OTHERS! May God Bless you all for helping one another! Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Carranza or Happy Holidays - what is appropriate for you. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Austin To: John R. Carpenter Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: Carpenter bible on your line Dear John, I can't thank you enough for clueing me in on this. I got the Bible and will e-mail you with all the info. I can't wait to show my 2nd cousin, 87 years old, who has been working with me on our history for more than ten years! What joy to have this back in the family! Susan susanaustin@hotmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will second the NEGHS motion as a good repository in which to leave stuff. hat's where I will leave all my stuff unless I am convinced a family member is really going to be interested. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "LAURIE4756@aol.com" <LAURIE4756@aol.com> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library Another option, and one I have utilized, is donating family information to the New England Historical Genealogical Society. Not only is it a world renowned repository and research library, it is primarily interested in New England Genealogy, of which the Rehoboth Carpenters are obviously apart of. The information is held (free of charge) in a file at the library and is accessible by all. For those unfamiliar, check out their website @ _www.newenglandancestors.org_ (http://www.newenglandancestors.org) I live 10 min. from the Carpenter Museum and sadly, its name does contribute to its misconception. The land the museum is located on was donated by our Rehoboth ancestors (hence the name)... but unfortunately their focus is not the Carpenter's per se, it is as mentioned, early Rehoboth in general. Laurie Carpenter **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is probably in my Samuel Carpenter of Philiadelphia line. His heirs lived all over West Jersey, as it was then called. I will have to see what I have on a John when I get home tonight. Thanks fr the info. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001@cox.net> To: Mzzcortezz@aol.com Cc: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:08:07 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Gloucester C. NJ - John Carpenter mortgage Thanks Phoebe! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Gloucester C. NJ - John Carpenter mortgage > Well, I ran across this the other day while "filing" stuff. > > Published The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey Sept 1998, Vol 73 Number > 3 > Whole Number 255, pg. 103 from Gloucester County Records - Loan Office > Mortgages 1776-1799, Joseph R. Klett. > > (133) JOHN CARPENTER of Deptford Twp, 50 (pounds) for 89 acres and 3 > roods > (plantation and tract) in the same place bounded by Isaac INSKEEP, William > CARSON/COUSON and Levi HOPPER (discharged December 1797 by Abel CLEMENT). > > I hope this is helpful to someone. > > And, a big, 'attaboy, John in Mesa, for all your coaching, help, and > inspiration. > > Phoebe in CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scratching my brain for other resources I thought of this - I have resources, over time, to put the following biographies on-line upon request. Marshall W. Carpenter - Sherburne County, MN from - http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mn/county/wilkin/bios/book.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel A. Carpenter - Chenango County, NY from - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychenan/1898bios.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Austin B. Carpenter - Madison County, NY George W. Carpenter - Madison County, NY from - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymadiso/1899hist.htm there other Carpenter names are also mentioned in this book with corresponding page numbers. Carpenter, Calvin -- 225 Carpenter, D. -- 302 Carpenter, Elijah -- 112 Carpenter, Ezekiel -- 183, 224, 482 Carpenter, H. W. -- 297 Carpenter, Jesse -- 111, 112 Carpenter, Levi D. -- 189 Carpenter, Solomon -- 459 Carpenter, Wesley M., Dr. -- 386 If there are other bios from those same books that you'd like to see on-line, please review the procedures to request such. I also have other Carpenter material already here and there on-line. Tim Stowell

A big Thank you from all of carpenter researchers to Fay and Jerry for preserving our heritage My your life be like toilet paper;long and useful John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Another option, and one I have utilized, is donating family information to the New England Historical Genealogical Society. Not only is it a world renowned repository and research library, it is primarily interested in New England Genealogy, of which the Rehoboth Carpenters are obviously apart of. The information is held (free of charge) in a file at the library and is accessible by all. For those unfamiliar, check out their website @ _www.newenglandancestors.org_ (http://www.newenglandancestors.org) I live 10 min. from the Carpenter Museum and sadly, its name does contribute to its misconception. The land the museum is located on was donated by our Rehoboth ancestors (hence the name)... but unfortunately their focus is not the Carpenter's per se, it is as mentioned, early Rehoboth in general. Laurie Carpenter **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hello Again! Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) the leader in genetic testing for surnames is offering the some discounts until the end of the month. It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests. Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order. Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project. a.. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test b.. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test c.. $15 off a mtDNA Test See the following web page for details: http://www.familytreedna.com/giftcert2007.html Let me know if you are interested! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm PS While I would like to have Carpenters tested, If some one wants a female tested that is fine too!

Well, I ran across this the other day while "filing" stuff. Published The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey Sept 1998, Vol 73 Number 3 Whole Number 255, pg. 103 from Gloucester County Records - Loan Office Mortgages 1776-1799, Joseph R. Klett. (133) JOHN CARPENTER of Deptford Twp, 50 (pounds) for 89 acres and 3 roods (plantation and tract) in the same place bounded by Isaac INSKEEP, William CARSON/COUSON and Levi HOPPER (discharged December 1797 by Abel CLEMENT). I hope this is helpful to someone. And, a big, 'attaboy, John in Mesa, for all your coaching, help, and inspiration. Phoebe in CA **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Thanks Phoebe! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Gloucester C. NJ - John Carpenter mortgage > Well, I ran across this the other day while "filing" stuff. > > Published The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey Sept 1998, Vol 73 Number > 3 > Whole Number 255, pg. 103 from Gloucester County Records - Loan Office > Mortgages 1776-1799, Joseph R. Klett. > > (133) JOHN CARPENTER of Deptford Twp, 50 (pounds) for 89 acres and 3 > roods > (plantation and tract) in the same place bounded by Isaac INSKEEP, William > CARSON/COUSON and Levi HOPPER (discharged December 1797 by Abel CLEMENT). > > I hope this is helpful to someone. > > And, a big, 'attaboy, John in Mesa, for all your coaching, help, and > inspiration. > > Phoebe in CA

Okay Carpenter Folks, Slight correction. See below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Faynjerrytoo2005@aol.com To: jrcrin001@cox.net Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library John, CORRECTION: SAR Library will not receive entries for the Carpenter Collection directly. Such entries must go through Fay so they can be incorporated into the Carpenter Collection format and binding. This is the deal originally struck with the SAR Library. For additional information, please see the following e-mail. Please contact Fay if you have any questions. Fay and Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Faynjerrytoo2005@aol.com To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Carpenter Collection in SAR Library In 2001 Fay Charpentier Ford and her husband began the Carpenter Collection at the Sons of the American Revolution (SAR) National Library in Louisville, Kentucky. The Collection was started with over fifty years of research on the Carpenter surname from Raymond George Carpenter, which required months of work putting the information into some order and then spine-binding books or volumes for library display and use. After the initial donation from Ray Carpenter, many other researchers have provided information for the Collection. The Collection now has over 120 volumes and some stand alone books with another major source currently being readied for inclusion. It will probably add another thirty volumes. The SAR Library permits the Carpenter Collection to be a part of its national library providing Fay Charpentier-Ford acts as the gatekeeper, i.e., only if she is responsible for the information presented in a consistent manner and if she is available for referrals from the librarians. In other words, the materials are received by Fay for preparation and binding (when necessary) and then presented to the SAR Library. Each donor receives a verifying letter of appreciation directly from the Library. Fay and her husband do not charge for their work. They pay for the copying, indexing, binding materials and labeling out of their own pockets. The goal is to gather one of the better centralized sources for Carpenter researchers. A couple years ago Fay arranged with the Carpenter Museum/Library in Rehoboth, MA to receive a few boxes of contributed materials for the purpose of evaluating importance, copying the information, indexing and binding that information one copy for them and one copy for the SAR Library. The original papers with orderly bound versions were returned to Rehoboth. It seemed like a perfect answer. They didn't have the staff or space to deal with the materials contributed over the years. Many of the papers were still in the original boxes, never opened. Additionally, the Museum/Library wanted to become more of a community center and actually wanted to reduce the genealogical information. As the initial phase was completed as agreed, the director of the Center moved to the mid-west with her husband, which gave way to a part-time director. The leadership of the board changed and a long-time board member decided that they ought not let any information out of the facility, although the board members had supposedly seen the betterment we made for their materials. It was a tremendous amount of work, gladly given had they only shown some appreciation for the improvements and benefits for them. The irony of the situation is that the facility was never intended as a "Carpenter" museum/library. It was called the Carpenter Library because a man in the community named Carpenter contributed land and money to build the structure. However, various materials have been sent to Rehoboth over the past forty years under the impression that is was established as a library for Carpenter information. The nature of private research will always include errors and perpetuation of errors. To help with accuracy, Fay and her husband now insist that people donating Carpenter families' information be verified or proven. For example, if the provider were to apply for membership in an hereditary society, he/she would be required to show proof, such as birth, marriage, death certificates, related census reports, Bibles with copy of the introduction page that shows date and publishing information, and if certain generations are already accepted in mainstream genealogy books and which books, etc. This benefits both the researcher and future users. For questions, write faynjerrytoo2005@aol.com. For the Bible being discussed and bid on eBay, the successful bidder ought to keep the Bible. For application to the Carpenter Collection in SAR, simply copy the cover, inside page showing date and publishing information, and the family information written in the Bible. The copies are better because most older books are too fragile to be handled by the public. Contact Fay for how to include it in the Carpenter Collection. It is okay to put this information on carpenter@rootsweb.com.

John R., Thanks for putting this in perspective. I am wondering if someone intested in Carpenter genealogy living near Rehoboth could convince them in that lib. to let COPIES of all genealogy pertaining to Carpenters be made and then send it to the SAR or FHL for indexing and safe keeping? Just a thought. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Dear Carpenter List, More info on the Carpenter Museum and SAR Library, Carpenter Museum P. O. Box 2 Rehoboth, MA 02769 The Carpenter Museum is NOW part of the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society. See: http://www.carpentermuseum.org/rasdefault.htm When you click on the Genealogy link, you will read that the focus of the Carpenter Museum NOW matches the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society goal. This is genealogy focused on Rehoboth and only incidentally on any particular surname. For many years, people sent their Carpenter Genealogies to the Carpenter Museum. However, the Carpenter Museum lacked the means and money to support such an effort. Fay Charpentier-Ford found this out and arranged for material and copies to be sent to the SAR - Sons of the American Revolution Library in Louisville, KY. They collect and support ancestries of surnames were used in the Revolutionary War. This includes Loyalists and Rebels families which were often the same extended family lines. This has become the defacto repository for the East Coast, while the Salt Lake City "Family History Library" (FHL) does the same for the West Coast. Fay has contacted many older Carpenter Researchers to donate their material to the SAR. This has saved many many hours and weeks of research to be preserved intact. Many shelves are dedicated to preserving this hard won Carpenter research. Now that Fay and her good husband Jerry are getting older, please consider helping them by donating your Carpenter Research to the SAR or FHL libraries. If you know of a Carpenter researcher that does not know how to pass their research on, please tell them! The National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution 1000 S. 4th Street; Louisville KY 40203 Tel: (502) 589-1776 Fax: (502) 589-1671 SAR Web Page: http://www.sar.org Family History Library 35 North West Temple Street Room 344, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84150-3440 http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHL/frameset_library.asp FYI - The Genealogical Society of Utah is closely associated with the FHL. http://www.gensocietyofutah.org/ Q.What is the Family History Library? A.The Family History Library, located in Salt Lake City, Utah, is the main repository of all the information the Genealogical Society of Utah has collected. It contains more than 2.3 million rolls of microfilm. See About the Family History Library for more information. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maproski@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum > You are correct in that the museum in Rehoboth does not want, nor will do > any work on Carpenter specific genealogical information. ...

Hello Folks, Let me share the message sent to me because one person (Tim) shared that a Carpenter Bible was up for auction for the Carpenter Roots Web list. Many of you share information on this list and others. AND IT HELPS OTHERS! May God Bless you all for helping one another! Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Carranza or Happy Holidays - what is appropriate for you. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Austin To: John R. Carpenter Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: Carpenter bible on your line Dear John, I can't thank you enough for clueing me in on this. I got the Bible and will e-mail you with all the info. I can't wait to show my 2nd cousin, 87 years old, who has been working with me on our history for more than ten years! What joy to have this back in the family! Susan susanaustin@hotmail.com

Thanks Gray! That was very nice of you to send the message to the list. I appreciate it. Again, Thank you for the help with the presentation on the laptop. Our teamwork made the presentation better. Merry Christmas! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA PS One minor correction; John L. Carpenter of NH is the Carpenter List moderator. We loked similar for years until he shaved his beard! Message: 2 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:08:08 -0800 From: "Gray Church" <graychurch@verizon.net> Subject: [CARPENTER] John R Carpenter--Recent Guest Speaker of SDGS To: <CARPENTER@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001501c839ef$32b57960$0301a8c0@1ECA66A679AB494> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To all of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting John R. Carpenter, the administrator of this List, in person-You are really missing something! In November, John was the guest speaker at the San Diego Genealogical Society's monthly meeting. The Society typically has two presentations each meeting-and John pulled a double-header! His first presentation was titled "Haplogroups, the Road Map to Mankind" and after the requisite break, he presented ""Famous and other DNA" (haplogroups of famous and infamous people). Listening and learning from John was an absolute delight! Despite the technical nature of his first presentation, his delivery was casual and folksy. His presentation triggered a lot of questions from the audience, and he did a great job explaining even the most technical aspects of DNA testing for genealogical purposes. His second presentation was interesting and fun. We learned the ancient ancestral origins of a variety of well-known people, such as George Washington, Marie Antoinette, and Attila the Hun! I really enjoyed meeting John and I wanted to take this time to remind us all how grateful we should be for the time and effort John donates to the Carpenter Family project! Thanks, John! Gray Carpenter Church Temecula, California Fifth great-granddaughter of William Carpenter (d abt 1802) of Brunswick, Virginia PS Despite the fact that we are not closely-related genetically, I must say that John looks incredibly like my cousin, Mark Carpenter (including the beard!). He sure looks a lot like the Carpenter men I have known!

John, you are too modest! **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

http://www.newyorkgravestones.org/ Are you aware of the photos being put online slowly but sure? If you have bits of information you know you have to add to that person, please email me with the information to add to the specific photos. If you have good photos of gravestone markers laying around and want to add to share, this is the place. Before you rush in to submit - please look at other photos on site and see what information is wanted in comment box, plus check the instructions link located on the home page - left column, bottom of the column. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

In a message dated 12/9/2007 3:02:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carpenter-request@rootsweb.com writes: To all of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting John R. Carpenter, the administrator of this List, in person-You are really missing something! John R Carpenter has done a lot of work for the Carpenter family name. He is not the Administrator of the list you have your John's mixed I am John L Carpenter,He has a beard I don't (<+:) John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

To all of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting John R. Carpenter, the administrator of this List, in person-You are really missing something! In November, John was the guest speaker at the San Diego Genealogical Society's monthly meeting. The Society typically has two presentations each meeting-and John pulled a double-header! His first presentation was titled "Haplogroups, the Road Map to Mankind" and after the requisite break, he presented ""Famous and other DNA" (haplogroups of famous and infamous people). Listening and learning from John was an absolute delight! Despite the technical nature of his first presentation, his delivery was casual and folksy. His presentation triggered a lot of questions from the audience, and he did a great job explaining even the most technical aspects of DNA testing for genealogical purposes. His second presentation was interesting and fun. We learned the ancient ancestral origins of a variety of well-known people, such as George Washington, Marie Antoinette, and Attila the Hun! I really enjoyed meeting John and I wanted to take this time to remind us all how grateful we should be for the time and effort John donates to the Carpenter Family project! Thanks, John! Gray Carpenter Church Temecula, California Fifth great-granddaughter of William Carpenter (d abt 1802) of Brunswick, Virginia PS Despite the fact that we are not closely-related genetically, I must say that John looks incredibly like my cousin, Mark Carpenter (including the beard!). He sure looks a lot like the Carpenter men I have known!

You are correct in that the museum in Rehoboth does not want, nor will do any work on Carpenter specific genealogical information. I woman by the name of Faye Carpenter Ford, found that out the hard way, by sending them a lot of info, and they lost it?. She has acess to the National SAR lib, in Louisville, KY and they are in the process of getting a much larger lib. area. They are receptive to all genealogical collections, and Faye has already contributed a great deal of information to them on Carpenters. Contact that facility, and I am sure they will help you in maintaining a Carpenter genealogy data base. Have a Blessed Christmas and a good new year. John in KS **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)