Barbara, Not only is it not far fetched but perfectly reasonable with a good economic reason. If one speaks proper French and has a French name, then one is French. If one speaks French but has a German name then distrust is proper. If one speaks French, and is born is France, but does not look French, one must be a foreigner until one looks French. If one does not speak proper French, then one is a foreigner. Foreigners are also to be distrusted. They may be German spies or after the mid 1950s, uncouth Americans. Just ask (figuatively) Mata Hari who spoke French but pretended to be a foreigner and "hung" around with some alleged German spies during WWI. Never forget the animosity that persisted between France and Germany from about 1878 to about the mid 1950s. Why not 1945? The French occupied a small part of Germany for over ten years after WWII. It was only then when the French decided that the Germans were defeated enough that they felt safe with the British occupying the North of Germany and the Americans in the South. Shortly after they pulled out of NATO ... but that is another story! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Zimmerman to Carpenter in America So its not far-fetched that my husband's grandmother after her German husband died in the flu epidemics would have changed her name back to her maiden French name (de Mare) to teach French in the schools?

So its not far-fetched that my husband's grandmother after her German husband died in the flu epidemics would have changed her name back to her maiden French name (de Mare) to teach French in the schools? "John R. Carpenter" <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> wrote: Hello, Many Germans anglicized their surnames and locals because of World War One. See Links below. Many others settled in America and adapted to their English speaking neighbors by changing or anglicizing their names. For example; My oldest sister was born Eugenie Hannalora and when we came to America, she took an English version; Laura Gean. Another example; My next oldest sister was born Sieglinde Margareta and when we came to America, she took an English version; Linda Margaret. Why? My mother was a German national and German law required German names. German laws changed by the time I was born, allowing me to be John Robert instead of Johan Roberto. ;-) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Carpenter CD Project Update http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/index Links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American#Assimilation_and_World_War_I_anti-German_sentiment Some Germans during this time "Americanized" their names (e.g. Schmidt to Smith, Müller to Miller, Rickenbacher to Rickenbacker, Eisenhauer to Eisenhower) and limited their use of the German language in public places. Similarly, foods with German names such as sauerkraut and bratwurst were renamed "liberty cabbage" and "liberty sausage". In Chicago Frederick Stock temporarily stepped down as conductor of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra until he finalized his naturalization papers. Berlioz replaced Wagner on programs. In Cincinnati, reaction to anti-German sentiment during World War I caused the Public Library of Cincinnati to withdraw all German books from its shelves.[19] German-named streets were renamed. For example, in Indianapolis, a street named Germania Avenue was renamed Pershing Ave.-for a World War I general of German descent. http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/news/default.asp?id=173&action=single Street names from German to English during WW1 in Chicago. http://usa.usembassy.de/germanamericans-language.htm During World War I, many German-Americans discontinued the use of German to demonstrate their patriotism. Many German newspapers ceased publication. There are to this day, however, still a small number of German language newspapers. The German "Washington Journal" is, for example, the oldest newspaper in the nation's capital. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/rg/guide/Ger_BMD_RefDoc_HandbookGermanResearch6.asp Chapter 7 Analyzing Surnames and Place Names German Surnames in America Translative Many Germans, upon immigrating to America, merely changed their names to the English equivalent of the German. The following are examples of this: Schwarz - Black Schneider - Taylor Baer - Bear Becker - baker Zimmerman - Carpenter Mohler - Miller Scharff - Sharp Klein - Little Of all the name changes, this was by far the least confusing. The only real problem this may cause is that in tracing an ancestor that changed his name this way, you may not realize that he was German and, therefore, not look for him under the German equivalent of the name. Often, the only clues would be the area in America where he was residing. If the family name stops in a heavy German settlement area, then it is a strong indication that he was German, and that you will need to change the name to the German equivalent in order to continue the search for the family in Germany. NOTE: More details continue on this page on how German names ... May have been Translative, Anglicization of Names, or given a Total Change. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Hello, Many Germans anglicized their surnames and locals because of World War One. See Links below. Many others settled in America and adapted to their English speaking neighbors by changing or anglicizing their names. For example; My oldest sister was born Eugenie Hannalora and when we came to America, she took an English version; Laura Gean. Another example; My next oldest sister was born Sieglinde Margareta and when we came to America, she took an English version; Linda Margaret. Why? My mother was a German national and German law required German names. German laws changed by the time I was born, allowing me to be John Robert instead of Johan Roberto. ;-) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Carpenter CD Project Update http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/index Links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American#Assimilation_and_World_War_I_anti-German_sentiment Some Germans during this time "Americanized" their names (e.g. Schmidt to Smith, Müller to Miller, Rickenbacher to Rickenbacker, Eisenhauer to Eisenhower) and limited their use of the German language in public places. Similarly, foods with German names such as sauerkraut and bratwurst were renamed "liberty cabbage" and "liberty sausage". In Chicago Frederick Stock temporarily stepped down as conductor of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra until he finalized his naturalization papers. Berlioz replaced Wagner on programs. In Cincinnati, reaction to anti-German sentiment during World War I caused the Public Library of Cincinnati to withdraw all German books from its shelves.[19] German-named streets were renamed. For example, in Indianapolis, a street named Germania Avenue was renamed Pershing Ave.-for a World War I general of German descent. http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/news/default.asp?id=173&action=single Street names from German to English during WW1 in Chicago. http://usa.usembassy.de/germanamericans-language.htm During World War I, many German-Americans discontinued the use of German to demonstrate their patriotism. Many German newspapers ceased publication. There are to this day, however, still a small number of German language newspapers. The German "Washington Journal" is, for example, the oldest newspaper in the nation's capital. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/rg/guide/Ger_BMD_RefDoc_HandbookGermanResearch6.asp Chapter 7 Analyzing Surnames and Place Names German Surnames in America Translative Many Germans, upon immigrating to America, merely changed their names to the English equivalent of the German. The following are examples of this: Schwarz - Black Schneider - Taylor Baer - Bear Becker - baker Zimmerman - Carpenter Mohler - Miller Scharff - Sharp Klein - Little Of all the name changes, this was by far the least confusing. The only real problem this may cause is that in tracing an ancestor that changed his name this way, you may not realize that he was German and, therefore, not look for him under the German equivalent of the name. Often, the only clues would be the area in America where he was residing. If the family name stops in a heavy German settlement area, then it is a strong indication that he was German, and that you will need to change the name to the German equivalent in order to continue the search for the family in Germany. NOTE: More details continue on this page on how German names ... May have been Translative, Anglicization of Names, or given a Total Change.

Thank you all for this information- my children are descended from Christian Carpenter as well; Christian, Jacob, Henry, Ambrose D., William Ambrose to Swin Carl Carpenter their grandfather. I live in Oregon and haven't been able to research much but did purchase Robert C. Carpenter's book "Carpenters A Plenty" which helped me make the connection, as well as assistance from Terry Carpenter in MS to connect Ambrose and William. Thanks again, Susan -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martha Hardcastle Guthrie Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:41 PM To: Donna Cuzze; carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] ZIMMERMAN proof of CARPENTER My ancestor, Christian Carpenter was previously known as Christian Zimmerman in Switzerland. He was (likely) the son of Hans Zimmerman (John Carpenter) and both came on the ship Pink Plaisance in 1737. Christian went by C Z Carpenter, and his mark was "C Z." He was also in Tryon (later called Lincoln) County and he and his son-in-law, Peter Sides (Seitz) signed the Tyron Resolves in August 1775. http://ourworld.cs.com/JourneysThruTime/id208.htm Hans Zimmerman was born in Wattenwil, Canton Bern, Switzerland about 1702. Hans died 10 June 1794 in Lincoln Co., NC, at 91 years of age. In America he was also known as John Carpenter. He married Sarah Salome unknown. Hans Zimmerman and Sarah Salome unknown had the following child: i. Jacob Carpenter was born 1734. Not proven as a son, however he did name a daughter Sarah Salome. ii. Johannes Zimmerman was born before 1755. The only proven son of Hans Zimmerman Other possible brothers or half brothers include Christian "CZ" Zimmerman (buried on Jacob's farm) and Peter Zimmerman (whom oral tradition says is Jacob's half brother. Martha Donna Cuzze wrote: > Hello All and Merry Christmas, > > I don't know if I connect to Zimmermans beyond my known ancestor, but I have often wondered where the PROOF came from showing that ZIMMERMANS changed their name to CARPENTER. > Well, I ran across this and thought maybe someone might need it. This shows the court naming Jacob Carpenter but he signs as JACOB ZIMMERMAN: > > TRYON COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA MINUTES OF THE COURT OF PLEAS AND QUARTER SESSIONS 1769-1779 > > July term 1774 > > North Carolina, Tryon County. Jacob Costner, ""Jacob Carpenter,"" Michael Rudisel, Peter Aker, Jacob Haws, Adolph Reep & Peter Castner, bound to Josiah Martin, Governor, in the sum of £1000 sterling, 27 July 1774, for the performance of Jacob Costner in the office of Sheriff. Jacob Costner (Seal), ""Jacob Zimmerman (Seal),"" Michel Rudisel (Seal), Peter Aker (X) (Seal), Jacob Hass (Seal), Adolf Riel (Seal), Peter Costner (C) (Seal), Wit: John Dunn, Andw. Neel. > > > > Donna Carpenter-Cuzze > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is my Carpenter/Zimmerman family which I have researched for many yeras. This Zimmerman family is a large family which is part of the Zimmermans of Steffisburg, Canton of Bern, Switzerland, who moved to Alsace in present France. They then came to America. Some members of the family remained in Pennsylvania and retained the Zimmerman name. Others, like my family, moved to North Carolina and took the Carpenter name. Research is often difficult because of the high numbers of Carpenters during these early years. One way of dealing with the research is to determine whether they were originally Zimmerman or not. We must always remember that not all Carpenters are directly related to each other and not all Zimmermans are related to each other. Lots of research is needed to determine relationships. Thanks Donna for sharing this good example. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Cuzze" <dcuzze@earthlink.net> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] ZIMMERMAN proof of CARPENTER Hello All and Merry Christmas, I don't know if I connect to Zimmermans beyond my known ancestor, but I have often wondered where the PROOF came from showing that ZIMMERMANS changed their name to CARPENTER. Well, I ran across this and thought maybe someone might need it. This shows the court naming Jacob Carpenter but he signs as JACOB ZIMMERMAN: TRYON COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA MINUTES OF THE COURT OF PLEAS AND QUARTER SESSIONS 1769-1779 July term 1774 North Carolina, Tryon County. Jacob Costner, ""Jacob Carpenter,"" Michael Rudisel, Peter Aker, Jacob Haws, Adolph Reep & Peter Castner, bound to Josiah Martin, Governor, in the sum of £1000 sterling, 27 July 1774, for the performance of Jacob Costner in the office of Sheriff. Jacob Costner (Seal), ""Jacob Zimmerman (Seal),"" Michel Rudisel (Seal), Peter Aker (X) (Seal), Jacob Hass (Seal), Adolf Riel (Seal), Peter Costner (C) (Seal), Wit: John Dunn, Andw. Neel. Donna Carpenter-Cuzze ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestor, Christian Carpenter was previously known as Christian Zimmerman in Switzerland. He was (likely) the son of Hans Zimmerman (John Carpenter) and both came on the ship Pink Plaisance in 1737. Christian went by C Z Carpenter, and his mark was "C Z." He was also in Tryon (later called Lincoln) County and he and his son-in-law, Peter Sides (Seitz) signed the Tyron Resolves in August 1775. http://ourworld.cs.com/JourneysThruTime/id208.htm Hans Zimmerman was born in Wattenwil, Canton Bern, Switzerland about 1702. Hans died 10 June 1794 in Lincoln Co., NC, at 91 years of age. In America he was also known as John Carpenter. He married Sarah Salome unknown. Hans Zimmerman and Sarah Salome unknown had the following child: i. Jacob Carpenter was born 1734. Not proven as a son, however he did name a daughter Sarah Salome. ii. Johannes Zimmerman was born before 1755. The only proven son of Hans Zimmerman Other possible brothers or half brothers include Christian "CZ" Zimmerman (buried on Jacob's farm) and Peter Zimmerman (whom oral tradition says is Jacob's half brother. Martha Donna Cuzze wrote: > Hello All and Merry Christmas, > > I don't know if I connect to Zimmermans beyond my known ancestor, but I have often wondered where the PROOF came from showing that ZIMMERMANS changed their name to CARPENTER. > Well, I ran across this and thought maybe someone might need it. This shows the court naming Jacob Carpenter but he signs as JACOB ZIMMERMAN: > > TRYON COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA MINUTES OF THE COURT OF PLEAS AND QUARTER SESSIONS 1769-1779 > > July term 1774 > > North Carolina, Tryon County. Jacob Costner, ""Jacob Carpenter,"" Michael Rudisel, Peter Aker, Jacob Haws, Adolph Reep & Peter Castner, bound to Josiah Martin, Governor, in the sum of £1000 sterling, 27 July 1774, for the performance of Jacob Costner in the office of Sheriff. Jacob Costner (Seal), ""Jacob Zimmerman (Seal),"" Michel Rudisel (Seal), Peter Aker (X) (Seal), Jacob Hass (Seal), Adolf Riel (Seal), Peter Costner (C) (Seal), Wit: John Dunn, Andw. Neel. > > > > Donna Carpenter-Cuzze > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Donna, Someone told me that the "Zimmerman" name was changed to Carpenter during the Rev. War. They said it was changed when the Zimmermans took the Oath of Allegiance. I don't know who told me that, and it would be interesting to find out if that is when the name was changed. I wish everyone a "Merry Christmas." Elsie White

Hello All and Merry Christmas, I don't know if I connect to Zimmermans beyond my known ancestor, but I have often wondered where the PROOF came from showing that ZIMMERMANS changed their name to CARPENTER. Well, I ran across this and thought maybe someone might need it. This shows the court naming Jacob Carpenter but he signs as JACOB ZIMMERMAN: TRYON COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA MINUTES OF THE COURT OF PLEAS AND QUARTER SESSIONS 1769-1779 July term 1774 North Carolina, Tryon County. Jacob Costner, ""Jacob Carpenter,"" Michael Rudisel, Peter Aker, Jacob Haws, Adolph Reep & Peter Castner, bound to Josiah Martin, Governor, in the sum of £1000 sterling, 27 July 1774, for the performance of Jacob Costner in the office of Sheriff. Jacob Costner (Seal), ""Jacob Zimmerman (Seal),"" Michel Rudisel (Seal), Peter Aker (X) (Seal), Jacob Hass (Seal), Adolf Riel (Seal), Peter Costner (C) (Seal), Wit: John Dunn, Andw. Neel. Donna Carpenter-Cuzze

My Christmas present to all my nieces and nephews is a documentary history tracing each of them back to Samuel Carpenter. It started as my depository for documents for my DAR application, and gained a life of its own from there. Even though the last 10 generations are the same in each, I still have been about 5 years on this project, as I am always trying to improve it. Every time I think I am done, I proofread it once more and think og a missing document--or in the course of my research find more documents which I think should be included. I keep trying all different types of presentations of genealogical materials to see which are easiest to follow. I also have a couple of picture albums I have copied, transcribed everything on the picutres front and back, as well as notes on the album itself, and am putting that together for a book. This for a different line, but I have been surprised how many Carpenter pictures I have which I am including in the documentary histories. My aim is to say today "enough is enough," let's just call this project done, and get on with other ones. We will see how it goes--whether or not I can finally let go and just send it out. My perfectionism gets in the way of getting things accomplished sometimes. Barbara John Mac Carpenter <jcarpenter@dbllcnet.net> wrote: The people at the SAR library in Louisville are extremely helpful.....everything can be looked at, the pass is inexpensive. -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:17 AM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library I think I asked if family members could have free access to it, but not sure. I will ask again. I think the library is open to the public, however. Meantime, I am not planning on leaving it anytime soon, even though I had a birthday last week. I am always happy to share what I have, however. I have some stuff on my blog about my carpenter descendants. If you are interested in the Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia line I can send you a lot more--deeds, wills, ancestors of daughters-in-law, etc. My DAR membership is through the Carpenters. I also have many pictures. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "Maproski@aol.com" To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

The people at the SAR library in Louisville are extremely helpful.....everything can be looked at, the pass is inexpensive. -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:17 AM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library I think I asked if family members could have free access to it, but not sure. I will ask again. I think the library is open to the public, however. Meantime, I am not planning on leaving it anytime soon, even though I had a birthday last week. I am always happy to share what I have, however. I have some stuff on my blog about my carpenter descendants. If you are interested in the Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia line I can send you a lot more--deeds, wills, ancestors of daughters-in-law, etc. My DAR membership is through the Carpenters. I also have many pictures. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "Maproski@aol.com" <Maproski@aol.com> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, John L.! I apologize for crediting John R. for being the List Admin! You do a super job with the List and deserve the credit! Signed, A Red-faced Gray Carpenter Church

Miles, Thank you for that info. I did NOT know that ! Donna > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:24:58 -0400 > From: "Miles L. Carpenter" <mlcarp@nb.sympatico.ca> > Subject: [CARPENTER] LDS family Center > To: <CARPENTER-D@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0C9E22458D5F41178AB4E151395B0209@MilesCarpentPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The LDS Family Center does have a lot of information. One word of caution > about the Center is that if you want to donate a written family document, > you must give up all subsequent rights to them for it. I was planning to > offer them a free copy of a small publication (70 pages) about my > grandfather and that was when I discovered this fact. If I donated a copy > of the book to them, I had to sign over ALL rights and was not willing to > do > so. I have donated other copies to local libraries, genealogy societies, > etc. but never encountered this loss of copyright. There is most often a > price for everything and sometimes not just in dollars. > > > > Miles Carpenter

The LDS Family Center does have a lot of information. One word of caution about the Center is that if you want to donate a written family document, you must give up all subsequent rights to them for it. I was planning to offer them a free copy of a small publication (70 pages) about my grandfather and that was when I discovered this fact. If I donated a copy of the book to them, I had to sign over ALL rights and was not willing to do so. I have donated other copies to local libraries, genealogy societies, etc. but never encountered this loss of copyright. There is most often a price for everything and sometimes not just in dollars. Miles Carpenter

John, You are correct about the LDS Family History Centers. I do volunteer work there once a week, and it is interesting for me. I am now working on Census Indexing, and it is very challenging. It is hard to decipher some of the early census taker's handwriting, and we can't make corrections. We can only put information down as it is on the early census records. One example is when a child was listed as a son, and then was listed Female. It takes a lot of stamina to work on the files. The Family History Center I work at is small and all our records are accessible to everyone. It is true that when microfilm is ordered there is a charge for shipping, but we can't expect that to be free. I plan on organizing all my genealogy files and will send them to the LDS Family History Center where others can find helpful information on my line. Anyone that is interested in doing Census indexing can go up to Familysearch.org, and click on indexing to do some of that volunteer work. You register, put in a password, and can begin right away on your own computer at home. Elsie White

Thanks for catching that Laurie. Though you may view "all items in their centers for free," there is a charge to order something that is "not there." Donna ----- Original Message ----- I agree and use LDS, especially for town/state records that I live too far from to access, however unless you go to Utah and their main library, to view micro-filmed records you still need to pay to have them sent to your local LDS center (averages 3.50 per reel) so if you want to look at a number of items, the costs add up). Yes, they are a GREAT resource and hold HUGE amounts of records, but "free" they're not. Laurie

Laurie, One slight clarification. The LDS Church does support many free genealogy areas. For example see: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp On this web site you can search for free the Ancestral File, International Genealogical Index, Pedigree Resource File, 1880 US Census, 1881 British Census, 1881 Canadian Census, Social Security Death Index, Vital Records Index and more. You can also get Research help, guidance and find what is available in the Family History Library Catalog. For beginners and more advanced users they are a great resource and where you can even down load a FREE fully functional genealogy program. Yes, mailing costs go up and those micro film reels, books and such not at the local Family History Center (free to enter & use what is there) can be ordered at cost of mailing. Oh, copies printed or photcopied cost also! I down load these items and more to a flash drive for no charge. Many volunteers at many FHCs are non-LDS. They will help teach you to conduct the research on your ancestry. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <LAURIE4756@aol.com> To: <carpenter-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Really FREE File Sharing > I agree and use LDS, especially for town/state records that I live too > far > from to access, however unless you go to Utah and their main library, to > view > micro-filmed records you still need to pay to have them sent to your > local > LDS center (averages 3.50 per reel) so if you want to look at a number of > items, the costs add up). > Yes, they are a GREAT resource and hold HUGE amounts of records, but > "free" > they're not. > > Laurie

I agree and use LDS, especially for town/state records that I live too far from to access, however unless you go to Utah and their main library, to view micro-filmed records you still need to pay to have them sent to your local LDS center (averages 3.50 per reel) so if you want to look at a number of items, the costs add up). Yes, they are a GREAT resource and hold HUGE amounts of records, but "free" they're not. Laurie **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

I am donating all my files to the LDS Family Center. If you don't already know, the Latter Day Saints (LDS) have research centers all over the US with the main center in Utah. The church has been keeping genealogy files for many, many years. Their Family Centers offer FREE viewing of all census info, files contributed, books, etc. on quality equipment. They will even help you find what you need or order it for your viewing. You can "search" or "upload/download files" from their website: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp They maintain them forever as far as I know (their belief involves ancestry). I am not a LDS member, but I use their facilities and usually leave a donation. However, donation is not required and service is still with a smile. Donna Carpenter-Cuzze

If you are speaking about NEHG, yes its open to the public and you can get pay a small fee for day pass to visit and view records if you haven't a membership. Laurie In a message dated 12/11/2007 11:18:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, barbarademare@yahoo.com writes: ----- Original Message ---- From: "Maproski@aol.com" <Maproski@aol.com> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)