After finding this item from the New England Historic Genealogy Society, http://newenglandancestors.org/libraries/manuscripts/richardthe_spy__656_61501.asp which says Richard Carpenter of Goshen, NY, was not likely "Richard the spy" I went on a search for Richard Carpenter, brother of my fourth greatgrandfather, Joshua Carpenter, and I believe he may have removed to Canandaigua, NY. note: Richard Carpenter, number 349 in the Carpenter Memorial, pages 88-90, family number 155 on page 164. If you remove "the spy" from Richard of Goshen you are left with this on page 89: "Richard of Goshen was b. about 1748 son of Samuel Carpenter, also Richard's eldest brother was named Samuel, a family of nine children. The father died in 1752 before Samuel, his eldest, was 21 years of age. Richard was the sixth son. The seventh was a daughter named Abigail. She probably was a twin to Richard as given in the record of the family. Richard married and settled on a 100 acre lot in district No. 10, about two miles from the village of Goshen : a daughter Phebe was born in 1774. His father's estate was in the same district or vicinity. Three of his brothers, viz., Samuel, John and Benjamin, resided in the same district and a widow Mary Carpenter. It appears that nearly all of the brothers of Richard served in some capacity in the Revolution. After the death of Richard's wife in 1774, no trace can be found of Richard in or about Goshen ; on tax list, sale of the 100 acre lot or the settlement of his estate. It is evident that the 100 acre lot went out of the possession of the family as Phebe the only heir when married moved to Michigan where she died." It also implies that Sophronia was the name of his first wife, who died about 1774. His family on page 164 has: "Phebe was b. Oct. 15, 1775 : m. William Dillon, b. April 16, 1769. He d. July 26, 1814, and she d. June 10, 1853. Phebe was by Richard's 1st wife b. in Goshen, N. Y. Richard resided on a lot of 100 acres near where his father lived, in the same school district about two miles from the village of Goshen. It appears that the home farm did not fall to his daughter Phebe for when she was married she and Mr. Dillon moved to Michigan and died there." note: Richard Carpenter of Orange Co., NY, removed to Canandaigua, Ontario, NY. In 1798 Richard Carpenter sold his property in Warwick to David Buskirk. (1) In 1799 Richard Carpenter purchased land from Oliver Phelps in Ontario Co., NY. (2) Richard Carpenter died April 27, 1813, age 63y, his wife, Abigail, died October 29, 1816, age 78y, they are buried in Woodlawn Cemetery, Canandaigua, NY. (3) Thomas and Elizabeth (Carpenter) Barney came from Orange Co., NY, to Canandaigua Jun 1798. (3b) (see cemetery photos) Thomas Barnea married Elizabeth Carpenter Aug. 27, 1787 at First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. (4) Thomas Barnea purchased land from Richard Carpenter in Ontario Co., NY. (5) Thomas and Elizabeth (Carpenter) Barney are buried in Woodlawn Cemetery, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY. (3b) Thomas Barney died in Newark, Wayne, NY, aged 85 years. (6) Samuel Drake married Unice Carpenter on April 17, 1790 at First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. (4) Samuel Drake witnessed a land transation of Joshua Carpenter in Chemung Co., NY. Is this the same Samuel Drake? (7) Samuel Drake and Eunice Drake purchased land in Ontario Co., NY from Richard Carpenter in 1813. (8) Eunice wife of Lt. Samuel Drake died July 14, 1814, age 41y, and is buried in Pioneer Cemetery, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY. (9) Samuel Drake sold land in Ontario Co., NY to Thomas Barney in 1816. (5) William Dillon married Phebe, daughter of Richard Carpenter. (10) William Dillon died July 26, 1814, in 46th yr, and is buried in Dillon Cemetery, Hopewell, Ontario, NY. (11) Richard C. Dillon is listed next to Thomas Barney in 1820 census, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY. There is a Richard C. Dillon in 1830 census, Washtenaw Co., Michigan. sources: (1) deedsgh.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/orange/deeds/deedsgh.txt (2) Deed Index, Ontario County, NY, 1789 - 1845, Letter C, Grantee http://www.raims.com/deedsc.html (3) Woodlawn Cemetery - Canandaigua NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/WoodlawnCD.htm (3b) Woodlawn Cemetery http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/ontario/cems/canandaigua/woodlawn/woodba-be.htm (4) The early records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen, New York ; from 1767 to 1885. Charles C. Coleman, 1934. Marriage Records 1787-1789 http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyorange/marriages_05.htm Marriage Records 1790-1792 http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyorange/marriages_06.htm (5) Deed Index, Ontario County, NY, Letter "B", 1789-1845 Address:http://raims.com/deedsb.html (6) Marriage and Death Notices Ontario County NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/marriagedeathnoticeontariomessenger1850.htm (7) CarpenterLandDeeds http://ourfamilyjournal.homestead.com/carpenterlanddeeds.html (8) Deed Index for Ontario County, NY, 1789 - 1845, Letter "D" http://raims.com/deedsd.html (9) Pioneer Cemetery - Canandaigua NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/pioneercemcitycdga.htm (10) A genealogical history of the Rehoboth branch of the Carpenter family in America : ... (Carpenter Memorial). Amos Bugbee Carpenter, 1898. pages 88-90, 164. (11) Dillon Cemetery - Town of Hopewell - Ontario County NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyontari/dilloncem.htm Dennis F. Carpenter
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Chester H. Carpenter is my grandfather. I was very surprised to see someone looking for info on them. What I have is John P. Carpenter was born in Providence, Rhode Island. No dates on birth or death yet. Dora Wilcox was born in North Kingstown, RI. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
Do you know from whom they descend? Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: S R <chemungcountygr@hotmail.com> To: carpenter-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:32:44 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Carpenter Family of HHDS, NY I have quite a bit of information on some of the descendents of Thomas S. Carpenter b. 1780 d. 1869 and Amy Locke-Turner-Carpenter d. 1860. They lived in Horseheads, Chemung County, NY. I would love to share/exchange information on these Carpenters. Stacey Rozell-Landowski -Cortland, NY _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That is the information I have on Thomas S. Carpenter. I visited the cemetery where he is said to be buried, but the stones have deteriorated so much, I wasn't able to locate the grave. The following is the information that I have on Thomas and some of his direct descendents. I used the family tree maker program to generate this family tree report. Some spots you have you pay attention to what you are reading. All of the connections between these generations is 100 % accurate to the best of my knowledge. I used, wills, obituaries, marriage records, cemetery records, and death certificates to make the connection. I also have a copy of The Carpenter Family in America on CD. I didn't add that information to my family tree report because I haven't been able to check the accuracy of that information myself. Thank Dennis for listing that entry from the Carpenter Family in America. Does anyone have any additional information on Lewis Carpenter who was the father of Thomas S. Carpenter? All that is mentioned in the book is his name I believe. Generation No. 1 1. Thomas1 Carpenter was born 05 Jan 1780 in New York City, New York, and died Bet. 1861 - 1869 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. He married (1) Katherine Fisher. She died 1830. He married (2) Amy Locke-Turner Abt. 1831 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. She was born 1797, and died 1860 in Chemung County, New York. Children of Thomas Carpenter and Katherine Fisher are: + 2 i. Abbie2 Carpenter, born 1829 in Chemung County, New York; died Aft. 1903 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 3 ii. Mary Ann Carpenter, born Bet. 1801 - 1809 in Orange County, NY; died Bef. 1895. 4 iii. Charles Carpenter, born 1803 in Orange County, NY; died 1875. 5 iv. Harriet Carpenter, born 1805 in Orange County, NY; died 1895 in Winona, MN. 6 v. William Townsend Carpenter, born 04 Jul 1811; died Oct 1888. 7 vi. Albert Carpenter, born Abt. 1813 in Orange County, NY; died 1879 in Catherinetown, NY. 8 vii. Henry Carpenter, born 1815 in Orange County, NY; died Bef. 1890 in Waupan, Dodge, WI. 9 viii. Townsend Carpenter, born Abt. 1817 in Orange County, NY; died Bef. 1891 in Waupan, Dodge, WI. + 10 ix. Lewis Carpenter, born 1820 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died Bef. 1895. 11 x. Delia Carpenter, born Abt. 1822 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died Bef. 1895. 12 xi. Willet Carpenter, born 1824 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died Bef. 1895 in Winona, MN. 13 xii. Hannah Carpenter, born Abt. 1826 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. Children of Thomas Carpenter and Amy Locke-Turner are: + 14 i. Thomas J.2 Carpenter, born 16 Jul 1841; died 18 Sep 1903 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. + 15 ii. John L. Carpenter, born 1837; died Bef. 1895. 16 iii. Katherine Carpenter, born 1834 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. She married Thomas Miller 1855 in Chemung, NY; born 1834 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. Generation No. 2 2. Abbie2 Carpenter (Thomas1) was born 1829 in Chemung County, New York, and died Aft. 1903 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. She married John N. Nichols (Source: Biographical Record of Chemung County, New York, 392-394.) 09 Mar 1848. He was born 10 Oct 1824 in Long Meadow, Hampden County, Mass.. Children of Abbie Carpenter and John Nichols are: 17 i. Eliza Jane3 Nichols. 18 ii. Thomas C. Nichols. 19 iii. John W. Nichols. 20 iv. Elizabeth Nichols. 21 v. Julia Nichols. 22 vi. Ella Nichols. 23 vii. Henry C. Nichols. 24 viii. Catherine Nichols. 25 ix. George T. Nichols. 26 x. Frederick Nichols. 27 xi. Joseph R. Nichols. 10. Lewis2 Carpenter (Thomas1) was born 1820 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York, and died Bef. 1895. He married (1) Mary E. Westlake. She was born Abt. 1820 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York, and died 11 May 1845 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. He married (2) Sarah A. 25 Feb 1847 in Chemung County, New York. She was born Abt. 1824 in Chemung County, New York, and died 09 Jun 1892 in Athens, PA. Children of Lewis Carpenter and Mary Westlake are: 28 i. Clarence W.3 Carpenter, born 26 Dec 1841 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died 1842 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 29 ii. Julia A. Carpenter, born 03 Aug 1844 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. She married F. C. McKay Abt. 1868 in New York; born Abt. 1844 in Willington, DE. 30 iii. Mary Carpenter, born 10 May 1845 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died 1845 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. Children of Lewis Carpenter and Sarah A. are: 31 i. Sarah E.3 Carpenter, born Dec 1847 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died 1848 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 32 ii. William L. Carpenter, born 07 Sep 1848 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 33 iii. Clarence E. Carpenter, born 29 Apr 1850 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 34 iv. Mary F. Carpenter, born 15 Jun 1854 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 35 v. Edith D. Carpenter, born 31 Aug 1858 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York; died 1878 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 36 vi. Charles V. Carpenter, born 17 Jun 1863 in Horseheads, Chemung County, New York. 14. Thomas J.2 Carpenter (Thomas1) (Source: Thomas' Obituary Elmira Daily Gazette & Free Press 19 Sep. 1903, Page 5, Thomas J. Carpenter died at his home in the town of Veteran, yesterday noon. aged sixty two years. He is survived by his wife and five children. Mrs. Mary A. McDougall and Charles W. Carpenter (typo-is actually George), of Veteran, Mrs. Helen Tharheimer,(typo-is actually Thalheimer), of Syracuse, Thomas J. Carpenter of Sullivanville, Frank H. Carpenter of Auburn, two brothers, J. L. Carpther of Elmira, George W. Turner of Sullivanville, and two sisters, Mrs. Abbie Nichols and Mrs. Katherine Miller of Horseheads. The funeral will be held Monday afternoon at 2 o'clock at the late home. The Rev. W. H. Ward will officiate. The interment will be in the Barry Cemetery.( typo-is actually Vary Cemetery).) was born 16 Jul 1841, and died 18 Sep 1903 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. He married (1) Helen M. McDougle. She was born 08 Feb 1841, and died 26 Feb 1875. He married (2) Margaret Swartout Bet. 1875 - 1879. She was born 1849, and died 1916. Children of Thomas Carpenter and Helen McDougle are: + 37 i. Thomas Jay3 Carpenter-Turner, born 05 Feb 1875 in Newfield, Tompkins County, New York; died 12 Jan 1960 in Elmira, Chemung County, New York. 38 ii. Mary Carpenter, born 1864. She married Edwin MacDougal. 39 iii. George Carpenter. 40 iv. Amy Carpenter. 41 v. Helen Carpenter. Child of Thomas Carpenter and Margaret Swartout is: 42 i. Frank H.3 Carpenter, born 1879. 15. John L.2 Carpenter (Thomas1) (Source: Sullivanville Episcopal Methedist Church Records, John and Matilda are found in the church records as joining between 1898 and 1910.) was born 1837, and died Bef. 1895. He married Matilda Carnish. She was born Abt. 1846 in New York. Children of John Carpenter and Matilda Carnish are: 43 i. Grant3 Carpenter, born Abt. 1866 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. 44 ii. Fread Carpenter, born 1868 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. 45 iii. Frank Carpenter, born Abt. 1870 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. 46 iv. Fanney Carpenter, born Abt. 1872 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. Generation No. 3 37. Thomas Jay3 Carpenter-Turner (Thomas J.2 Carpenter, Thomas1) was born 05 Feb 1875 in Newfield, Tompkins County, New York, and died 12 Jan 1960 in Elmira, Chemung County, New York (Source: Chemung County Vital Statistics.). He married Effie M. Longcoy 03 Jan 1899 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York (Source: register of marriages Veteran Town Clerk, 152 Dec. 28, 1898Husband: Thomas J. Turner age 24 of Sullivanville, occupation Farmer birth place Newfield, NY father George W. Turner mother Betsy A. Clark.Wife: Effie M. Longcoy age 26 of Sullivanville birthplace Sullivanville, NY father William Longcoy mother Louisa Van Houten Officiator: E. J. Brooker Pastor Methodist Episcopal Church January 3, 1899 George and Elizabethe Turner are the people that raised Jay. His birth parents are Thomas J. Carpenter and Helen M. McDougal.: Marriage Licenses 1885-1907 Town of Veteran Index of Marriages July 4, 1885 to December 31, 1907 Handwritten copies obtained from the Veteran Town Hall in Millport, NY on Thursday May 19, 2005.), daughter of William Longcoy and Louisa Van Houten. She was born 1873 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York, and died 1947 in Chemung County, New York. Children of Thomas Carpenter-Turner and Effie Longcoy are: 47 i. Linford Jay4 Turner, born 21 Nov 1903 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York; died Jun 1978 in Elmira, Chemung County, New York. He married (1) Lela Chapman and had 2 sons, one of which is still living. He married (2) Maude Shafer; born 29 Aug 1915 in Veteran, Chemung County, New York; died Jun 1981 in Elmira, Chemung County, New York. Linford and Maude had 5 children together, all of which are still living. 48 ii. Helen Turner, born in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. She married Aldan Seely. > From: DCTINMAN@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:25:07 -0700> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter Family of HHDS, NY> > History of the Carpenter family in America : ... , 1901, Daniel Hoogland> Carpenter.> > page 194.> > 397 Thomas Carpenter, son of Lewis 142, was born in New York City,> January 5, 1780. After the death of his father in 1785 and the> remarriage of his mother to Robert Little in 1786, the family removed to> Orange County, NY. In 1818, with his brothers he removed to Chemung> County, settling in Horseheads, where he died after 1860. His wife> Katherine died 1830, and for second wife he married widow Amy Turner.> > > > Dennis F. Carpenter> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007
STACEY, Tell us more. Do you know who his ancestors were and where they came from? Phoebe in CA In a message dated 12/29/2007 6:33:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, chemungcountygr@hotmail.com writes: I have quite a bit of information on some of the descendents of Thomas S. Carpenter b. 1780 d. 1869 and Amy Locke-Turner-Carpenter d. 1860. They lived in Horseheads, Chemung County, NY. I would love to share/exchange information on these Carpenters. Stacey Rozell-Landowski -Cortland, NY **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
History of the Carpenter family in America : ... , 1901, Daniel Hoogland Carpenter. page 194. 397 Thomas Carpenter, son of Lewis 142, was born in New York City, January 5, 1780. After the death of his father in 1785 and the remarriage of his mother to Robert Little in 1786, the family removed to Orange County, NY. In 1818, with his brothers he removed to Chemung County, settling in Horseheads, where he died after 1860. His wife Katherine died 1830, and for second wife he married widow Amy Turner. Dennis F. Carpenter
I have quite a bit of information on some of the descendents of Thomas S. Carpenter b. 1780 d. 1869 and Amy Locke-Turner-Carpenter d. 1860. They lived in Horseheads, Chemung County, NY. I would love to share/exchange information on these Carpenters. Stacey Rozell-Landowski -Cortland, NY _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec
Has any one got any information on Thomas Carpenter b.1811 in Froxfield Green, Nr Petersfield, Hampshire? He married Mary Ann. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 071228-0, 28/12/2007 Tested on: 29/12/2007 14:17:28 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
Hi, I am not related ,I am just trying to help a person out who asked for help on the Carpenter site, I like to try and help as this is how I have found most of my roots,I will check out these things further, as John R Carpenter sent some info also. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mzzcortezz@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] George C Carpenter ATT" JERRY TUTTLE > Hi Jerry, > For some reason we have something, somewhere from a person by the name of > Pugh (it might take a lot of searching) but I am descended from Moses > Carpenter > b. 1750ish NY. His dau married Wisner, and grand daughter married a > Melvin > and moved via MI, IO, and finally to Oregon and died in Washington state > in > about 1900. Do you think we ought to try to connect the 2? I believe > the > Pughs were in Kansas???? I did try to connect thru the Pugh name on the > inter > net, probably via rootsweb or some forum. > > Phoebe in CA > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Wayne, I did some online census research and came up with the following (I have included some items you probably have for comparison with certain ones you probably don't): 1920 U.S. Census, Prairie Twp, Craighead Co., Arkansas, p. 13B: Carpenter, Joseph I., 23, b. Illinois, fa. b. Indiana, mo. b. Illinois Carpenter, Rosie [MI uncertain], wife, 17, etc. Carpenter, Kate, mother, 51, b. Illinois, fa. b. Ireland, mo. b. Tennessee [sic] 1910 U.S. Census, Hubble Twp, Cape Girardeau Co., Missouri, p. 16B: Carpenter, George C., 40, b. Indiana, both par. b. Indiana Carpenter, Katie, wife, 40, b. Illinois, both par. b. Illinois [sic] Carpenter, Joseph I., son, 13, b. Illinois 1900 U.S. Census, DuBois Twp, Washington Co., Illinois, pp. 3B-4A: Carpenter, George, b. Aug. 1870, aged 30, b. Indiana, both par. b. Indiana [either birth year or age is wrong (census's effective date 1 June; household enumerated 4 June)] Carpenter, Katherine, wife, b. Aug. 1869, aged 30, b. Illinois, fa. b. Ireland, mo. b. Tennessee [sic] Carpenter, Joseph, son, b. Feb. 1897, Illinois 1880 U.S. Census, Bald Hill Twp, Jefferson Co., Illinois, p. 413: McFalls, Danial [sic], 76, b. Ohio McFalls, Feeby, 70, wife, b. Ohio McFalls, Susan, 41, daughter, b. Indiana Carpenter, George, 10, grandson, b. Indiana, both par. b. Indiana 1870 U. S. Census, Green Twp, Madison Co., Indiana, p. 147: McFall, Daniel, 66, b. Ohio McFall, Phebe, 60, b. Ohio McFall, Susana, 30, b. Indiana McFall, Margret E., 21, b. Indiana McFall, George C., 9/12, b. Indiana in Aug. [1869 (census's effective date 1 June)] 1870 U.S. Census, Denison Twp, Lawrence Co. Illinois, p. 71: Sheridan, Cornelias [sic], 40, b. Ireland Sheridan, Hannah, 32, b. Illinois [also b. Illinois in 1880 census, Denison, Lawrence Co., Ill., p. 104] Sheridan, Mary, 10, b. Illinois Sheridan, Rose, 8, b. Illinois Sheridan, James, 7, b. Illinois Sheridan, Kate, 2, b. Illinois [in 1880 census, she is Sarah C., the C presumably for Catherine] Sheridan, Thomas, 2?/12, b. Illinois 1870 U.S. Census, Union Twp, Howard Co., Indiana, p. 516: Carpenter, Jno. [sic], 59, b. Ohio Carpenter, J. C., 54, b. Kentucky Carpenter, Simon, 20, b. Indiana Carpenter, James, 17, b. Indiana Carpenter, Electa, 12, b. Indiana Carpenter, Mary, 15, b. Indiana Carpenter, Nate, 9, b. Indiana McFall, Sam, 18, b. Indiana McFall, Simon, 14, b. Indiana 1860 U.S. Census, Union Twp, Howard Co., Indiana, p. 697: McFall, Daniel, 56, b. Ohio McFall, Phoebe, 50, b. Ohio McFall, Susan, 21, b. Ohio McFall, Margaret, 11, b. Ohio 1860 U.S. Census, Union Twp, Howard Co., Indiana, p. 664: Carpenter, Jas. [sic], 49, b. Ohio Carpenter, Charity, 44, b. Kentucky Carpenter, Isaac, 13, b. Indiana Carpenter, John, 18, b. Indiana Carpenter, James [sic; should be Simon], 10, b. Indiana Carpenter, James, 7, b. Indiana Carpenter, Mary, 5, b. Indiana Carpenter, Electa, 2, b. Indiana McFall, Isabelle, 13, b. Indiana McFall, Simon, 5, b. Indiana McFall, Andrew, 15, b. Indiana Based on the foregoing, it appears that your George C. Carpenter was the son of Susan McFall (or perhaps her sister Margaret or an unidentified sister who died in childbirth), daughter of Daniel and Phoebe McFall. Whether or not George's father was ever in the picture is uncertain (as a baby, George's surname was McFall, as was his probable mother's), but there's a good chance he was a member of the Carpenter household listed above (1860, 1870). Gene Z. In reply to: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:54:58 -0600 From: "Wayne Juneau" <WJuneau@msn.com> Subject: [CARPENTER] George C Carpenter To: <CARPENTER@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY140-DAV141728F46CCA917880A70BB2550@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Trying to find any information on George C. Carpenter b. 12 Aug 1870 in IN as to who his parents are. He married Kate Sheridan in Washington Co, IL and they moved to Arkansas, but I have not been able to trace his back. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
Hi Jerry, For some reason we have something, somewhere from a person by the name of Pugh (it might take a lot of searching) but I am descended from Moses Carpenter b. 1750ish NY. His dau married Wisner, and grand daughter married a Melvin and moved via MI, IO, and finally to Oregon and died in Washington state in about 1900. Do you think we ought to try to connect the 2? I believe the Pughs were in Kansas???? I did try to connect thru the Pugh name on the inter net, probably via rootsweb or some forum. Phoebe in CA **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
HI Bobi, What info do you want,Past back from John in England or present from 1910 forward? and who specifacly do you want info on, John Carpenter born 1814? or John H who married Tresea May Tansley, It would help to focus on one person at a time, I will try and look for John H, unless you let me know other wise. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <sissy1226@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: [CARPENTER] BRICKWALL > > Trying to find information on John Carpenter born abt 1814 in Birmingham, > Warwickshire.? He died about 1891.? He married Ann ? and they had 5 > children by 1861, John 19, Harriet 11, William 8, Jacob 5 and Emma 4 > months.? By that time they lived in West Bromwich, Staffordshire.? Jacob > married Harriet Adkinson 1879.? They had 10 children, John Harry born > 5-2-1879, Harriet 8-13-81, Samuel, 1884, Minnie Maria 1886, William 1889, > James 1891, Emma 1895, Frederick 1897 and Mary Gertrude 1899.? John H. > married Tresea May Tansley in 1901, they had 3 children James 1904, he was > my great grandfather.? They arrived at the Port of Philadelphia October > 13, 1907.? This is all the information I am able to find any help, I would > greatly appreciate. > > Bobi > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi wayne, I found George C Carpenter married Katherine Sheritan in Du Bois Illinois she was born Aug of 1869, George C Carpenter's parents were Isaac Carpenter born 1847 and Mother Margaret E McFall born 1848, Katherine died in Craighead Co, Arkansas Aug 7, 1951 George died about 1920. In this tree there are 9 historical Documents ,I guess they are Census reports,they are 4 Census reports in Green ,Madison, Indiana 1870, 1880, 1900, 1910, Then 1document in Bald Hill, Jefferson Illinois,1, document in Dui Bois, Washington Illinois and 1 census report in Hubble, Cape Girardeau, Missouri, all of these are Residence's . Isaac's father was Joseph Carpenter born abt 1811mHis Mother was Mary Ann Stout, Born abt 1830, There is no more info in this family tree, at ancestry.com, This comes from a Pugh Family Tree, There are Documents for george ,His father Isaac, It also looks like Joseph Carpenter was married Three Times, Mary Stout, Charity Hendrix, and Isabel Purdy. I hope this helps.Happy Hunting. Jerry Tuttle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Juneau" <WJuneau@msn.com> To: <CARPENTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] George C Carpenter > Trying to find any information on George C. Carpenter b. 12 Aug 1870 in IN > as to who his parents are. He married Kate Sheridan in Washington Co, IL > and they moved to Arkansas, but I have not been able to trace his back. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Trying to find information on John Carpenter born abt 1814 in Birmingham, Warwickshire.? He died about 1891.? He married Ann ? and they had 5 children by 1861, John 19, Harriet 11, William 8, Jacob 5 and Emma 4 months.? By that time they lived in West Bromwich, Staffordshire.? Jacob married Harriet Adkinson 1879.? They had 10 children, John Harry born 5-2-1879, Harriet 8-13-81, Samuel, 1884, Minnie Maria 1886, William 1889, James 1891, Emma 1895, Frederick 1897 and Mary Gertrude 1899.? John H. married Tresea May Tansley in 1901, they had 3 children James 1904, he was my great grandfather.? They arrived at the Port of Philadelphia October 13, 1907.? This is all the information I am able to find any help, I would greatly appreciate. Bobi ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Trying to find any information on George C. Carpenter b. 12 Aug 1870 in IN as to who his parents are. He married Kate Sheridan in Washington Co, IL and they moved to Arkansas, but I have not been able to trace his back.
According to a website at: http://www.genealogygoldmine.com/martin/shiplists/1732Plaisance.html The Pink Plaisance carried the "ZIMBERMANS" who arrived in Philadelphia on Sep 21, 1732. The adult males cleared entry with last name spelled ZIMMERMAN. LOOKING AT THEM IN ORDER OF BIRTH: Nicklos Zimberman, 50 b. 1682 Salome Zimerman, 34 b. 1698 Hans Zimberman, 30 b. 1702 Eliz. Zimarman, 30 b. 1702 Ulrich Zimberman, 27 b. 1705 Barbil Zimarman, 27 b. 1705 Adam Zimberman, 23 b. 1709 *cleared entry as "JOHN ADAM Zimmerman" "KIDS" under 16 yrs old: Hans Zimberman b. 1717 - 1732 Christian Zimberman b. 1717 - 1732 Bastian Zimberman b. 1717 - 1732 Maria Zimberman b. 1717 - 1732 YES, two Maria's Maria Zimberman b. 1717 - 1732 *THERE WERE NO OTHER ZIMBERMANS ON THIS SHIP* AUTHOR OF WEBSITE SEEMS VERY THOROUGH* LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THERE WAS ANOTHER JOHN CAME TO VA 2 YRS LATER: Found on Ancestry.com : Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Name: John Zimberman Year: 1734-1735 Place: Virginia Source Publication Code: 3299.40 Primary Immigrant: Zimberman, John Annotation: Date and place where land was patented and record was created listing those transported/imported. Only the names of those to be transported were indexed. Abstracted from Patent books 15 through 19, from the Land Office records located at the Virginia Stat Source Bibliography: HUDGINS, DENIS. Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Vol. 4, 1732-1741. Richmond [VA]: Virginia Genealogical Society, 1994. 355p. Page: 70 HOPE THAT HELPS SOMEONE. MERRY CHRISTMAS, Donna
I was not quite 4 yrs old when Pearl Harbor was bombed. My mothers mother was American born of German parents and had many relatives in AR, some of whom had been born in Germany and had been listed as enemy aliens during WWI. Because he knew we probably would not be able to travel again for a long time, my father took us all to AR to visit the aunts, uncles, cousins, etc, that Mama had not seen in many years. I remember one of her great uncles, then in his 80s who was upset because he feared that he and the rest of the family would be targeted again because of their German names and the German they spoke among themselves. None of them changed their names, but they began to speak English even among themselves so that German eventually died out in their area in AR. I remember the wonderful German food, the Christmas trees cut down in the woods and the general kindness they showered on us, 4 west Texans, and how much we liked them. During WWI it became illegal in Texas to teach in any language but English in order to stop the speaking of German in public schools. Like now, fear made it a good idea to fit in, but unlike now, we were not in danger from our own government. -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 7:57 PM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Zimmerman to Carpenter in America So its not far-fetched that my husband's grandmother after her German husband died in the flu epidemics would have changed her name back to her maiden French name (de Mare) to teach French in the schools? "John R. Carpenter" <johnrcarpenter@cox.net> wrote: Hello, Many Germans anglicized their surnames and locals because of World War One. See Links below. Many others settled in America and adapted to their English speaking neighbors by changing or anglicizing their names. For example; My oldest sister was born Eugenie Hannalora and when we came to America, she took an English version; Laura Gean. Another example; My next oldest sister was born Sieglinde Margareta and when we came to America, she took an English version; Linda Margaret. Why? My mother was a German national and German law required German names. German laws changed by the time I was born, allowing me to be John Robert instead of Johan Roberto. ;-) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Carpenter CD Project Update http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/index Links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American#Assimilation_and_World_War_I_an ti-German_sentiment Some Germans during this time "Americanized" their names (e.g. Schmidt to Smith, Müller to Miller, Rickenbacher to Rickenbacker, Eisenhauer to Eisenhower) and limited their use of the German language in public places. Similarly, foods with German names such as sauerkraut and bratwurst were renamed "liberty cabbage" and "liberty sausage". In Chicago Frederick Stock temporarily stepped down as conductor of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra until he finalized his naturalization papers. Berlioz replaced Wagner on programs. In Cincinnati, reaction to anti-German sentiment during World War I caused the Public Library of Cincinnati to withdraw all German books from its shelves.[19] German-named streets were renamed. For example, in Indianapolis, a street named Germania Avenue was renamed Pershing Ave.-for a World War I general of German descent. http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/news/default.asp?id=173&action=single Street names from German to English during WW1 in Chicago. http://usa.usembassy.de/germanamericans-language.htm During World War I, many German-Americans discontinued the use of German to demonstrate their patriotism. Many German newspapers ceased publication. There are to this day, however, still a small number of German language newspapers. The German "Washington Journal" is, for example, the oldest newspaper in the nation's capital. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/rg/guide/Ger_BMD_RefDoc_HandbookGerma nResearch6.asp Chapter 7 Analyzing Surnames and Place Names German Surnames in America Translative Many Germans, upon immigrating to America, merely changed their names to the English equivalent of the German. The following are examples of this: Schwarz - Black Schneider - Taylor Baer - Bear Becker - baker Zimmerman - Carpenter Mohler - Miller Scharff - Sharp Klein - Little Of all the name changes, this was by far the least confusing. The only real problem this may cause is that in tracing an ancestor that changed his name this way, you may not realize that he was German and, therefore, not look for him under the German equivalent of the name. Often, the only clues would be the area in America where he was residing. If the family name stops in a heavy German settlement area, then it is a strong indication that he was German, and that you will need to change the name to the German equivalent in order to continue the search for the family in Germany. NOTE: More details continue on this page on how German names ... May have been Translative, Anglicization of Names, or given a Total Change. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi List When I first started researching my Carpenter ancestry, I ran into a plethora of German names in the Carpenter lines. I was only able to keep my lines straight because of the Biblical names in my ancestry. I then discovered that when the Germans came into Philadelphia, their names were changed to Carpenter, because that is what Zimmerman translates into. Thus, there are almost as many Zimmermans in the USA as Carpenters! Dick Carpenter Past President Benjamin Cleveland Chapter TNNSAR Direct descendant of Jeremiah Carpenter, a soldier in the Battle of Point Pleasant, the first officially recognized battle of the American Revolution Also known as Lord Dunmore's War thecarponline2@msn.com
Thanks, John. I always assumed they were hiding him because he was Jewish, and that may still be as all references to him are obliterated. However I recently heard that his family disowned him for marrying outside his faith. I guess we will never know the whole story. I have been thinking about the Carpenter book, and how to approach it. I could just rewrite the 1912 book with current research and citations but keeping the same numbering, or I could start from scratch. I had a question on the Samuel line I am preparing in accordance with the sample you sent me. How is that numbered? I.e. where do the sketches about the children come in and how are they numbered? I didn't figure that out in my brief perusal of the document after you sent it to me. No time to look since then. Work is far too hectic; I don't even have time for Christmas. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:19:50 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Zimmerman to Carpenter in America Barbara, Not only is it not far fetched but perfectly reasonable with a good economic reason. If one speaks proper French and has a French name, then one is French. If one speaks French but has a German name then distrust is proper. If one speaks French, and is born is France, but does not look French, one must be a foreigner until one looks French. If one does not speak proper French, then one is a foreigner. Foreigners are also to be distrusted. They may be German spies or after the mid 1950s, uncouth Americans. Just ask (figuatively) Mata Hari who spoke French but pretended to be a foreigner and "hung" around with some alleged German spies during WWI. Never forget the animosity that persisted between France and Germany from about 1878 to about the mid 1950s. Why not 1945? The French occupied a small part of Germany for over ten years after WWII. It was only then when the French decided that the Germans were defeated enough that they felt safe with the British occupying the North of Germany and the Americans in the South. Shortly after they pulled out of NATO ... but that is another story! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Zimmerman to Carpenter in America So its not far-fetched that my husband's grandmother after her German husband died in the flu epidemics would have changed her name back to her maiden French name (de Mare) to teach French in the schools? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message