Hello, I am looking for the Carpenter Ancestry of ... Arch (Archie T.) Carpenter (b. abt 1859 IA) married Mary Ackley (b. 27 May 1862 IA) They had 5 children: 1. Living 2. Living 3. Jim Carpenter 4. Shell Carpenter 5. Billy Carpenter See 1880 Census info below. They are mentioned in the Sprague Genealogy Webpage data base. http://www.sprague-database.org/genealogy/search.php?mylastname=Carpenter&myfirstname=&mybool=AND&offset=0&search=Search Any help appreciated. Contact me at: jrcrin001@cox.net John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA xxxxxxxxxxxxxz Arch Carpenter - I126207 CENSUS: 1880 US Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace J. S. CARPENTER Self M Male W 49 OH Farmer OH OH Mary E. CARPENTER Wife M Female W 43 NY Housekeeping NY CAN Archie T. CARPENTER Son S Male W 21 IA Farm Labor OH NY Paul S. CARPENTER Son S Male W 19 IA Farm Labor OH NY Ellis K. CARPENTER Son S Male W 15 IA Farm Labor OH NY James S. CARPENTER Son S Male W 12 IA OH NY Mary CARPENTER Dau S Female W 8 IA OH NY Cornelia R. CARPENTER Dau S Female W 5 KS OH NY Boswell A. CARPENTER Son S Male W 2 KS OH NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Lincoln, Republic, Kansas Family History Library Film 1254394 NA Film Number T9-0394 Page Number 119B xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxz Mary Ackley - I126199 CENSUS: 1880 US Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace O. George ACKLEY Self M Male W 45 NY Farmer CT NY Wilhelmina ACKLEY Wife M Female W 43 PRU Keeping House PRU PRU Mary ACKLEY Dau S Female W 19 IA At Home NY PRU Willie ACKLEY Son S Male W 12 IA NY PRU Cora ACKLEY Dau S Female W 10 IA NY PRUS May ACKLEY Dau S Female W 5 KS NY PRU Allie ACKLEY Dau S Female W 3 KS NY PRU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Palmyra, Douglas, Kansas Family History Library Film 1254380 NA Film Number T9-0380 Page Number 176C xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxz

Lance wrote: > Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born about > 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his > father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter. One of the things we promise the participants in the DNA project is confidentiality. Therefore, if your cousin *had* joined, we would be unable to talk about it without first asking his express permission. However, since he has not joined, I guess it's ok to say so. Moreover, no one claiming descent from William Rodman Carpenter has joined, and so your branch is unrepresented in the project. Feel free to get in touch and urge your cousin to participate. John Chandler, co-admin

FYI John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <info@familytreedna.com> To: <> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: FTDNA Maintenance Window Tonight > To Carpenter group manager, > > Friends, > > The IT staff will be performing a variety of server tuning activities > this evening, a number of which will require us to restart our servers, > which will cause the FTDNA, AfricanDNA, YSearch and mitoSearch websites to > be up and down intermittently. We don't anticipate this work to last past > 12AM CST. > > We appreciate your patience as we continue to work to continue providing > you the best service possible. > > > > > Best regards, > FTDNA IT Staff >

Hi Check with Carpenter Cousins DNA study with John Carpenter. This might help with quest. Bob Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Gillette" <fnldg1@uaf.edu> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing > Hello: > > Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born about > 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his > father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter. > > Lance Gillette > Fairbanks, Alaska > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born about 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter. Lance Gillette Fairbanks, Alaska

Bob, Very Well done! If any one has any questions, please let me know! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Carpenter" <bobbylc@verizon.net> To: <carpenter-L@rootsweb.com>; <zimmerman-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing > Hello Carpenters & Zimmermans, > > Here it is 2008 and I'm 9 days into my new years resolutions. > > Are you still searching from on top of a brick wall? > Balancing is really tough and you're about ready to fall! > > Here it is two thousand and eight, > Could DNA testing be your fate? > > Is your last name spelled CARPENTER? > Zimmerman or even Charpentier > > Look no more, if your ancestor came to the U.S. in 1732 > Y-DNA test results could be just right for you. > > When you have your Y-DNA tested, then you're leading the pack, > You could prove your ancestry to 1572 or even farther back. > > What will it cost for DNA testing, you say, > A lot less than a trip to Boston or even LA. > > Today, is the first day of the rest of your genealogical life to research, > Without DNA, next year, will you still be uncertain and sitting on your > perch? > > O.K., Now you are just about ready to cry, > Go log onto FTDNA.COM and say Hi. > > Here is how you do it! > Enter www.ftdna.com > Select Surname Projects or just Projects, for Carpenter, Select C345 > The Select Carpenter Cousins, > then select members.cox.net/johncarpenter/index.htm > Now you are looking at the CARPENTER COUSINS Y-DNA PROJECT, > read, look around and digest. > When you are tested you are given a number, no one else will know unless > YOU tell them. > NOW! look at the groups, do you see your area? > You could fit into one of these groups and extend your family history back > a few generations and maybe even help someone else do the same. > All of this for a night out on the town. You can't beat it! > Really interested? Go back to members.cox.net/johncarpenter/index.htm, > then go to the bottom of the page and fill out the request for DNA > testing. > RECOMMEND: Y-DNA25 > > Happy New Year, and best of all Happy Ancestor Hunting! > > Bob Carpenter

Hello Carpenters & Zimmermans, Here it is 2008 and I'm 9 days into my new years resolutions. Are you still searching from on top of a brick wall? Balancing is really tough and you're about ready to fall! Here it is two thousand and eight, Could DNA testing be your fate? Is your last name spelled CARPENTER? Zimmerman or even Charpentier Look no more, if your ancestor came to the U.S. in 1732 Y-DNA test results could be just right for you. When you have your Y-DNA tested, then you're leading the pack, You could prove your ancestry to 1572 or even farther back. What will it cost for DNA testing, you say, A lot less than a trip to Boston or even LA. Today, is the first day of the rest of your genealogical life to research, Without DNA, next year, will you still be uncertain and sitting on your perch? O.K., Now you are just about ready to cry, Go log onto FTDNA.COM and say Hi. Here is how you do it! Enter www.ftdna.com Select Surname Projects or just Projects, for Carpenter, Select C345 The Select Carpenter Cousins, then select members.cox.net/johncarpenter/index.htm Now you are looking at the CARPENTER COUSINS Y-DNA PROJECT, read, look around and digest. When you are tested you are given a number, no one else will know unless YOU tell them. NOW! look at the groups, do you see your area? You could fit into one of these groups and extend your family history back a few generations and maybe even help someone else do the same. All of this for a night out on the town. You can't beat it! Really interested? Go back to members.cox.net/johncarpenter/index.htm, then go to the bottom of the page and fill out the request for DNA testing. RECOMMEND: Y-DNA25 Happy New Year, and best of all Happy Ancestor Hunting! Bob Carpenter

Couple notes: 1. Found a discrepancy in info I had on a Roseanna CARPENTER STEVENS whom I show was born in Magoffin Co, KY. Info I received from Patricia Hopkins Baldwin (not sure where she got it) was that Roseanna was born 6 JAN 1848 and died in Magoffin Co, KY. I just came across the death certificate and it shows she was born 2 Feb 1847 in Gypsy, Magoffin Co, KY and died 3 June 1931 in Willard, Huron Co, OH and that she was buried in Royalton, KY not Fredville (Maybe Fredville and Royalton are close together). Informants on death certificate was a Mrs Stevens and Mrs Patrick. Flora STEPHENS PATRICK died in Willard, OH and was a daughter so I would think the info on this death cert would be accurate (maybe not) but bottom line is she died in Ohio not KY so wanted to send that to anyone researching this family. 2. Next, I did not have this in my Carpenter database. I found a Malinda CARPENTER CHAPMAN death certificate that says she is a daughter of Steve CARPENTER and _____ MCDANIEL. I do have a Lindy CARPENTER CHAPMAN dau of Stephen (Blue eyed Stephen) CARPENTER and Polly KASH who is shown married to an Adam CHAPMAN with a note per Stephen's will which I don't have so can't check that. The Malinda that I found (which I "assume" is the same person, was married to a Lafayette CHAPMAN per her death cert and also listed in the 1920 Butler Co, OH census as Lafayette. Malinda's death was 9 Apr 1925 in Middletown, Butler Co, OH and buried 14 Apr 1925 in Woodside Cem, Middletown, Butler Co, OH. The 1920 census calculates her birth as aprox 1868 which would make her possibly a child of Polly KASH. However, her death certificate has DOB left blank but her age at death as 57 yrs 7 months 7 days which calculates out as 2 Sept 1865. Informant was Harlan CHAPMAN whoever he is? So, I have a Lindy CARPENTER CHAPMAN md to Adam CHAPMAN and also a Malinda CARPENTER CHAPMAN md to a Lafayette CHAPMAN in my database. Can anyone shed light on this. Thanks, Rod..........Patty if you are out there hi I am still alive and well. Rod Carpenter Akers Packaging Service, Inc. Cell:419-236-9136 Direct:513-705-2973 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.

Greetings, Thanks for the reply. the connection of my Carpenter line thru Zimmerman in PA is remote I feel, however, I am stopped at Christopher Carpenter, born on 4 Oct 1798 in NY, married to Henrietta Greenman oin 1821 and died at Summerville, St. Lawence Co. NY on 4 Nov 1847. I have put to gether a "guess" genealogy, but can't prove it. I'll just keep looking as so many of our Carpenter family genealogists are doing. Thanks John in KS **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Have you checked "Genealogical and Historical record of the Carpenter family: with a brief genealogy of some of the descendants of William Carpenter of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Mass., William Carpenter of Providence, R.I., SAMUEL CARPENTER OF PENN,. and Ephraim, Timothy and Josias Carpenter of Long Island: etc" ? Capitals are mine. Also have you done a Persi search (also in Heritage Quest) using "Carpenter and Pennsylvania" as your search terms. I found 9 interesting looking magazine articles. Unfortunately I believe there is a charge for them, and they might not be "yours". At my local library today, while searching for my Pennsylvania Grahams I kept an eye out for Pennsylvania Carpenters. Found a book titled "Colonial & Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania" vol. 1 that had a pretty good family listing for Samuel Carpenter on pages 469 to 479, under Carpenter & Preston families. "Notes and Queries" is proving to be a disappointment after an promising beginning, but I'm still plugging through it looking for Carpenter and Graham. Is there a particular Carpenter for which I should be watching? Jessie Deith

From "Notes and queries etc." that I mentioned in my last note. page a166 ------- Ann Penn the half sister of Wm. Bache and the aunt of Mrs. White became the wife of the distinguished E. L?nt Carpenter of England, whose son William Benjamin Carpenter, M.D., F.R.S., is the great English physiologist of the age, and whose daughter Miss Mary Carpenter was renowned in England, as a philanthropist. Another son, Rev. Russel, Lant Carpenter is among the prominent Unitarian Divines of the Kingdom. Another daughter now Mrs. ____Gaskell, is also living. page a49 Henry Carpenture tax 7s 6d 1718 assessment for Chester co. page 85 On June 30, 1807, George Zimmerman to Elizabeth Yokheimer in presence of Henry Yokheimer &wife, Cor. Lamison &wife, & others by John Weitzel Esq, justice of the peace. Jessie Deith

Thanks, Jessie. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Jessie Deith <jessydeith@aol.com> To: Carpenter mailing list <CARPENTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 6:54:43 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Pennsylvania Carpenters My Carpenter line comes from the new England branch, however I am researching my Graham line also and that is Pennsylvania. Recently while going through the books available on line through Heritage quest I came upon a "book" titled - "Notes and queries: historical, biographical and genealogical, chiefly relating to interior Pennsylvania, 1st-2nd series., v1-2, 1881-1883, 3rd se,. v. 1-2, 1887-1891, 4th ser., v.1 1893". This ponderous title covers a group of what looks to be pamphlets put out in the years mentioned. The author seems to enjoy the local history and jots down random bits of information as he finds them. There is no index!!!! Although it is tedious, I would recommend Pennsylvania Carpenter researchers going through it also. Jessie Deith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Carpenter line comes from the new England branch, however I am researching my Graham line also and that is Pennsylvania. Recently while going through the books available on line through Heritage quest I came upon a "book" titled - "Notes and queries: historical, biographical and genealogical, chiefly relating to interior Pennsylvania, 1st-2nd series., v1-2, 1881-1883, 3rd se,. v. 1-2, 1887-1891, 4th ser., v.1 1893". This ponderous title covers a group of what looks to be pamphlets put out in the years mentioned. The author seems to enjoy the local history and jots down random bits of information as he finds them. There is no index!!!! Although it is tedious, I would recommend Pennsylvania Carpenter researchers going through it also. Jessie Deith

Hi Barbara, Good luck with your research. Let us know what we can do to help. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John Carpenter born about 1802 - New York > My Samuel line has Johns and Thomasses but none of the other lines. I am > going to start posting one little line at a time to see if I ger any help. > I am trying to put together the Samuel Carpenter line for John R. > Carpenter's CD, complete with sources. I need a lot of help in the early > years to put some flesh on the people. > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jim Carpenter <carpentercla@cox.net> > To: carpenter@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 12:07:08 PM > Subject: [CARPENTER] John Carpenter born about 1802 - New York > > Happy New Years to all of you Carpenter Researchers. > With this being a new year I thought that I would post my Carpenter line > to see if I can get any hits. > Some of you already know my Carpenter line and also know that I'm stuck on > my John Carpenter born abt. 1802 in New York. I have no clues as to who > his parents were or who his wife might have been. > I know that John migrated West and the first proof of this is in Indiana, > Fayette County. John then migrated to Iowa with his two children. John > lived in Scott County, Iowa and then off to Jasper County, Iowa. I have > read info saying that John may have moved to Marshall County, Iowa too. > John can be found in the census records living with Jon and Rosanna > Porter. There seems to be a strong relationship between these two > families. In fact John's son Dennis married the Porter's Daughter Lucinda > Porter in 1856. John lived with these Porter's long before this marriage. > I've lost track of my John Carpenter after the 1870 Jasper County, Iowa > census records. > Here's my Carpenter line. > > > John Carpenter > Born abt. 1802 - New York > Died: Iowa > Married: ? > > Dennis Carpenter > Born: July 20th 1832 - Fayette County, IN. > Died: July 11th 1902 - Letan, Box Butte, Nebraska > > Elmer Ellsworth Carpenter > Born: June 29th 1862 - Cedar County, Iowa > Died: Jan. 23rd 1900 - Pierce Nebraska > > Elmer Roy Carpenter > Born: Oct. 1897 - Nebraska > Died: 1962 - Fort Dodge, Iowa > > Robert Thomas Carpenter > Born: March 29th 1931 Fort Dodge, Iowa > Died: June 2nd 1994 - Fort Dodge, Iowa. > > Thanks! > > Jim Carpenter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Super, Barbara, looking forward to your posts. Phoebe in CA **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Barbara, would love to get involved, but it's not my carpenter line, I wish is was however. There are so many directions the line goes, it's difficult to get them seperated. I am keeping your info and if I ever find a connection I will be back in touch. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Happy New Years to all of you Carpenter Researchers. With this being a new year I thought that I would post my Carpenter line to see if I can get any hits. Some of you already know my Carpenter line and also know that I'm stuck on my John Carpenter born abt. 1802 in New York. I have no clues as to who his parents were or who his wife might have been. I know that John migrated West and the first proof of this is in Indiana, Fayette County. John then migrated to Iowa with his two children. John lived in Scott County, Iowa and then off to Jasper County, Iowa. I have read info saying that John may have moved to Marshall County, Iowa too. John can be found in the census records living with Jon and Rosanna Porter. There seems to be a strong relationship between these two families. In fact John's son Dennis married the Porter's Daughter Lucinda Porter in 1856. John lived with these Porter's long before this marriage. I've lost track of my John Carpenter after the 1870 Jasper County, Iowa census records. Here's my Carpenter line. John Carpenter Born abt. 1802 - New York Died: Iowa Married: ? Dennis Carpenter Born: July 20th 1832 - Fayette County, IN. Died: July 11th 1902 - Letan, Box Butte, Nebraska Elmer Ellsworth Carpenter Born: June 29th 1862 - Cedar County, Iowa Died: Jan. 23rd 1900 - Pierce Nebraska Elmer Roy Carpenter Born: Oct. 1897 - Nebraska Died: 1962 - Fort Dodge, Iowa Robert Thomas Carpenter Born: March 29th 1931 Fort Dodge, Iowa Died: June 2nd 1994 - Fort Dodge, Iowa. Thanks! Jim Carpenter

My Samuel line has Johns and Thomasses but none of the other lines. I am going to start posting one little line at a time to see if I ger any help. I am trying to put together the Samuel Carpenter line for John R. Carpenter's CD, complete with sources. I need a lot of help in the early years to put some flesh on the people. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Carpenter <carpentercla@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 12:07:08 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] John Carpenter born about 1802 - New York Happy New Years to all of you Carpenter Researchers. With this being a new year I thought that I would post my Carpenter line to see if I can get any hits. Some of you already know my Carpenter line and also know that I'm stuck on my John Carpenter born abt. 1802 in New York. I have no clues as to who his parents were or who his wife might have been. I know that John migrated West and the first proof of this is in Indiana, Fayette County. John then migrated to Iowa with his two children. John lived in Scott County, Iowa and then off to Jasper County, Iowa. I have read info saying that John may have moved to Marshall County, Iowa too. John can be found in the census records living with Jon and Rosanna Porter. There seems to be a strong relationship between these two families. In fact John's son Dennis married the Porter's Daughter Lucinda Porter in 1856. John lived with these Porter's long before this marriage. I've lost track of my John Carpenter after the 1870 Jasper County, Iowa census records. Here's my Carpenter line. John Carpenter Born abt. 1802 - New York Died: Iowa Married: ? Dennis Carpenter Born: July 20th 1832 - Fayette County, IN. Died: July 11th 1902 - Letan, Box Butte, Nebraska Elmer Ellsworth Carpenter Born: June 29th 1862 - Cedar County, Iowa Died: Jan. 23rd 1900 - Pierce Nebraska Elmer Roy Carpenter Born: Oct. 1897 - Nebraska Died: 1962 - Fort Dodge, Iowa Robert Thomas Carpenter Born: March 29th 1931 Fort Dodge, Iowa Died: June 2nd 1994 - Fort Dodge, Iowa. Thanks! Jim Carpenter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It might be easier if I ased for information of various of the male heirs of Samuel Carpenter, although I know this list is primarily Rehobath Carpenters. Maybe some lurkers can follow other Samuel lines than mine down closer to the current day. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: "Maproski@aol.com" <Maproski@aol.com> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 11:34:52 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Research help requested Barbara, would love to get involved, but it's not my carpenter line, I wish is was however. There are so many directions the line goes, it's difficult to get them seperated. I am keeping your info and if I ever find a connection I will be back in touch. John in KS **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the blog I wrote this morning. It occurred to me that some on this list might be interested, or better yet have something to contribute. My New Year's resolution is to write in this blog on a more frequent basis. My aim is for daily entries. That of course means I may stray from genealogy more than I have in the past to throw in life with my grandchildren and at work. If it gets too boring, PLEASE tell me. I had a massive project to get done at work last week, so only took off Christmas Day itself. When I finished my project on Thursday my son Michael and I drove the 200 miles to the farm to see my mother. Michael wanted to go home the next day, but I stayed until Sunday to spend more time with Mom, then took the train home. While there I was working on DAR applications for my nieces who are interested in joining. They should be simple with mine approved, but are not. National in approving mine changed a number of my entries. Only problem is: I can prove mine are right and theirs are wrong. Not wanting to perpetuate the error, I am trying to figure out how to correct it. I got most of the corrections done and proven, so hopefully this weekend will be able to complete the applications. I also have various other applications to complete for DAR chapters, but got behind when my hard drive died. At least all my information was retrieved and moved to the new hard drive! As part of my application process I started what I am currently calling a "Documentary and Photographic History of the Direct Descendants of Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia through [name of individual for whom I am doing the book] [DPHDDSC]. These books were planned as simple DAR applicatons for my siblings and their children. However I have never learned to leave well enough alone, so every final proofread results in Betty and I deciding more stuff is needed. These DPHDDSC loose-leaf notebooks started as Christmas presents for my siblings and nieces and nephews. They still retain that category. As they are individually made for each recipient, they are also very expensive to produce. I would be happy to do them for other family members whatever the relationship but must be reimbursed for a fraction of my cost. I wish I were independently wealthy and didn't have to do this, but no such luck. If anyone is interested in purchasing an individualized copy for $50, or has photos or documents to add, please contact me at BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com I spent last night reading Quaker minutes from Hinshaw's Encyclopedia finding many more interesting items to add to the DPHDDSC (I think we need a contest for a better anacronym). After getting through most of those I started on the Journal of the Genealogical Society of New Jersey. The latter had a very interesting article on our Pile ancestors which will require closer scrutiny. I was using CDs for these searches, which are not my favorites, but get me in the right direction. Take for example the Quaker CD. The minutes of the Quakers were kept comtemporaneously, although some were copied over into books. Hinshaw came along about a century ago and abstracted these minutes. I have previously given my opinion of abstracts--things get lost in the interpretation. Thereafter the set of Hinshaw books was republished by Genealogical Publishing Co. Most recently the GPC book has been converted to a searchable CD. The chances for errors to slip into this chain of ownership and rewriting is enormous. The CDs do give a good starting place to find original records, however. Every volume states the location of the originals so that the researcher can skip back to the beginning to verify the information on the CD. Next time I have a free day I will have to do this. I would really love to obtain photos of the 17th and 18th century Carpenter ancestors. I start each section with a photograph, and have such things back to Thomas the revolutionary ancestor, who I am missing. I am also missing Preston Carpenter and Samuel Carpenter II. The other items am particularly seeking are old letters with some family history, deeds, college or other academic information, the patents of James Carpenter, etc. Anything which would tell the story of the Carpenters through documents and pictures. I must bring this project to an end, and start another if this one is successful. I have zillions of ideas in my head for different ways to tell particular parts of the family history. I intend to experiment with several and see which one or ones are most popular. If you can help, please contact me. Thanks, Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/