We have several Carpenter photos on our Carpenter and Related Families website. As John R. said there are short, tall skinny ect. My oldest son is thin and 6' 4" Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Berger" <westwind@milwpc.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John R Carpenter--Recent Guest Speaker of SDGS > Wouldn't it be interesting if one could post photos of those who are > willing > (or dead) maybe on the Carprenter cousins DNA project or somewhere else to > see those interesting and sometimes surprising family resemblances across > cousindom? --Pam B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gray Church" <graychurch@verizon.net> > > >> To all of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting John R. Carpenter, >> the >> administrator of this List, in person-You are really missing something! > ...(parts of message deleted) >> PS Despite the fact that we are not closely-related genetically, I must >> say >> that John looks incredibly like my cousin, Mark Carpenter (including the >> beard!). He sure looks a lot like the Carpenter men I have known! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pam, One of the concerns about DNA testing is privacy. That said, there are some various pictures of Carpenters in the CE CD 2001 under the Misc Pics folder. And there will be more in the future. John L. Carpenter (List Admin) and I (John R.) were often confused with each other because of our beards and glasses. Now that he shaved off his beard, he looks really looks better than me. Some time ago on this list we remarked and discussed the two main body sizes of male New England type Carpenters. One about 5'9" to 5'10" stocky and muscular and the other body type thinner and about 6'3" or so. Hair types went from black/brown to reddish (mainly in the taller males) with some male pattern receeding hairlines. The 29" inseam was common in the smaller body build. Eyes are basicly brown yet show a strong showing of lighter colored eyes. At one point we even discussed the common European trait of the second toe (next to the big toe) being about as long as the big toe! My father is 6'3" and I am 5'10" and I resemble my uncle (5'10.5") more than I do my father. Yet my brother is a 6'3" and resembles my father. If their were not over 4,000 miles difference in location, I would have wondered about my sire! I remember that in some famlies the male height difference in families often jumped a generation. Are there exceptions in body types? Of course! I know a few who have the thinner body type but not the 6' plus height. Female Carpenters seem to run the entire specrum of body types, colors and sizes. All in all, there is nothing really strange about Carpenters except, well, er, ah, ... a strong desire to learn more about our ancestry! :-) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Berger" <westwind@milwpc.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John R Carpenter--Recent Guest Speaker of SDGS > Wouldn't it be interesting if one could post photos of those who are > willing > (or dead) maybe on the Carprenter cousins DNA project or somewhere else to > see those interesting and sometimes surprising family resemblances across > cousindom? --Pam B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gray Church" <graychurch@verizon.net> > > >> To all of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting John R. Carpenter, >> the >> administrator of this List, in person-You are really missing something! > ...(parts of message deleted) >> PS Despite the fact that we are not closely-related genetically, I must >> say >> that John looks incredibly like my cousin, Mark Carpenter (including the >> beard!). He sure looks a lot like the Carpenter men I have known! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wouldn't it be interesting if one could post photos of those who are willing (or dead) maybe on the Carprenter cousins DNA project or somewhere else to see those interesting and sometimes surprising family resemblances across cousindom? --Pam B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gray Church" <graychurch@verizon.net> > To all of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting John R. Carpenter, > the > administrator of this List, in person-You are really missing something! ...(parts of message deleted) > PS Despite the fact that we are not closely-related genetically, I must > say > that John looks incredibly like my cousin, Mark Carpenter (including the > beard!). He sure looks a lot like the Carpenter men I have known!

Lance, Thanks for answering. There doesn't appear to be a connection--it was a long shot. Perhaps someone could assist your cousin with the cheek swab--a caretaker or closer relative? I am not sure if it is more complicated or expensive to test from a licked envelope, a lock of hair or other things, but it can be done. If have you other direct male-line Carpenter descendants perhaps they will become interested in the future. My uncle was the last male Carpenter of our branch, so it seemed important for him to participate if we were to use DNA at all on that line. He thought it was interesting and did the swab, though a relative had to assist a little. Shortly afterwards he passed away. I had the funeral director clip a lock of hair just in case anything more would be needed later. --Pam B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Gillette" <fnldg1@uaf.edu> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing > Hi Pam: > > Merle was born in Colorado and his father in Kansas. Before that it was > Michigan. Before that Rhode Island. > > Unfortunately Merle is so elderly and doesn't remember things well. I > tried to get a dna sample from him. He agreed on the phone. I then sent > him a detailed letter explaining it all. But he doesn't remember receiving > a letter from me or the dna kit. So I don't think it will be feasible for > him to submit his dna under the circumstances. > > Lance >

Hi Pam: Merle was born in Colorado and his father in Kansas. Before that it was Michigan. Before that Rhode Island. Unfortunately Merle is so elderly and doesn't remember things well. I tried to get a dna sample from him. He agreed on the phone. I then sent him a detailed letter explaining it all. But he doesn't remember receiving a letter from me or the dna kit. So I don't think it will be feasible for him to submit his dna under the circumstances. Lance > Lance, > I noticed the name Merle, which is fairly uncommon, in your post and > wondered if your cousin might be named for some other Merle I might want > to > know about. My grandfather and uncle were Merle M. and Merle O. CARPENTER > of > Wisconsin. I don't know if Grandpa was named for anyone, and I don't know > of any Alaska connection. Merle M.'s father (Horace B.), grandfather > (Isaac), and uncle, (William), came from NY via Ohio ca 1850s. My late > uncle is in the CARPENTER cousins DNA project with a 37-marker test (I am > so > glad he was willing to participate!). He was evidently descended from the > Rehoboth branch, but we have not found anyone else in the project who > connects on paper yet, or any real proof elsewhere of possible further > ancestry (Ezra?) prior to Horace CARPENTER m3. in Whitehall, NY 1830s, b. > NH > or Canada 1790s. Anything familiar? --Pam Berger, Milwaukee, WI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lance Gillette" <fnldg1@uaf.edu> > To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, :36 PM > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing > > >> Hello: >> >> Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born >> about >> 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his >> father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter. >> >> Lance Gillette >> Fairbanks, Alaska > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello everyone, I need to update the information that I have concerning my William Carpenter line which John R. referred to in his previous e-mail. William Carpenter (1) was born unknown and died unknown. He had at least one known son named William. ( I have found several articles that state he was born about 1701 near NY but I have not been able to document this.) William Carpenter (2) was born in New York (exact location unknown.) He may have been born in either Dutchess or Westchester County about 1761. He died in the fall sometime between 1821 and 1825 in Little Falls, Herkimer County, New York. ( See Gdn. note below.) William married Lois Austin who died in Kingsbury, Washington County, New York, April 30, 1814. William's occupation was a cooper. William was living in Washington County by 1790 with his family. He had several land transactions the earliest being 25 December 1795 for 44 acres. In 1803 William had several land transactions with Stephen Carpenter, where William and Stephen exchanged 8 acres of land. William owned Lot 67 and Stephen owned Lot 68. The last transaction that William made was in 1807. It is possible that Stephen and William were related, but I have not been able to find any documents to confirm this. There was a Stephen Carpenter who died in Sandy Hill, Washington County, NY age 63 on 26 August 1841. This puts his date of birth about 1777/8. William and Lois had the following children: 1. Silas Carpenter Born 06 October 1792, Kingsbury, Washington County, NY. Moved to the town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY where he died 30 September 1875. Married Betsey_____. Silas and Betsey had the following children born in Onondaga: Charles born 1822/died 04 August 1845, Rensalaer born 1816/died 05 December 1817, Lois born 01 January 1819/died 17 April 1894 Charles born_____/died_____. 2. William Carpenter (3) Born about 1796/7 in the town of Kingsbury, Washington County, New York. Died unknown. William married Zilphia_____ probably in Kingsbury. Washington County deeds show in 1820 that William and Zilphia Carpenter purchased land and then sold the same land in 1823. William and Zilphia moved from Kingsbury to the town of Yates, Orleans County, NY sometime after 1822. They are last listed in the 1850 census in the town of Yates. At least two of their children moved to Michigan around this time so they may have gone with them. William and Zilphia had the following children: Charles born 1820/ died unknown. He moved from Yates sometime after the 1850 census and was living briefly in Ohio before settling in Michigan. Hiram C. Born November 1822 in Kingsbury, Washington County, NY. He died 18 August 1899 in Lyndonville, Orleans County, NY. William H. born 1824/ died unknown. William may have gone to Michigan. Caroline born 1829/died unknown. 3. Mary A. Carpenter was born about 1798/9 in Kingsbury, Washington County, New York. Died unknown. She married Paul Perry who was from Onondaga County, NY. He was born about 1798. Mary and Paul had the following children: William born 1823 in NY, died ______. Henry born 1830 in New York, died ____. John born about 1833/35 in New York, died______. Merritt born 1840/41 in New York. This family moved to Downer's Grove, Illinois. 4. Charles Carpenter (Judge) was born 04 September 1800 in Kingsbury, Washington County, NY., and died 30 May 1891. He is buried in the Myrtle Hill Cemetery, Geddes, Onondaga county, NY. He came to the town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY in the fall of 1816. He became the "Principal Salt Inspector" in the town of Geddes, and later held numerous public offices including "Judge" until his death. He married 1st 15 April 1824 Nancy Burgess (04 October 1804 - 20 January 1855) and 2nd Abiah L. Briggs. Charles and Nancy had the following children: Charles H. born____/died_____, Cynthia Ann died young, Emeline died young, Seth M. born______/died_____, Edward W born_____/died_______, William H. born______/died_____, Silas A. born_____ died_____, Kate L. born____/died_____ and Emma L. born_____/died____. NOTE: The guardianship records for Onondaga County, NY contained the following: 26 May 1825 - Charles Carpenter was appointed guardian: "To Charles Carpenter, Salina New York. Whereas Henry Carpenter son of William Carpenter of Little Falls, Herkimer County, NY., who was 15 yrs on 22 day of February last." 5. Henry Carpenter (my line) was born 22 February 1810 in Sandy Hill, Washington County, NY. He died 07 June 1891 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Henry married 14 October 1832 in Orleans county, NY., Martha Blanchard. She was born 21 January 1813 in Whitehall, NY and died 02 October 1882 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Children of Henry and Martha: Walter born 05 November 1833 in Orleans County, NY. and died 09 November 1856 in Chicago, Illinois. William Henry born 06 August 1842 in Orleans County, NY and died 20 May 1848 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Martha Jane born 15 September 1845 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. She died 02 February 1923 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Martha married Eugene Farrar. William Sheldon was born in Warrensville, Illinois 19 November 1854. He was an adopted son of Henry and Martha. William married Martha Hobart in Downer's Grove, Illinois. They had one child, Nellie who never married. They moved to California. The natural parents of William are not known. 6. Unknown female Birth and death dates unknown. In Henry's diary he states that his parents had six children. He also refers to his sister Mary as "his oldest sister". I do not think that the Charles Pomeroy Carpenter mentioned in the e-mail is related to my line. I hope some of the above information can help someone. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this great mailing list. Debbie Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: GeneZub@aol.com<mailto:GeneZub@aol.com> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com<mailto:carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Charles Pomeroy Carpenter John R. Carpenter wrote: << I believe that Gene Zubrinsky looked at the Herkimer county Carpenters at one time in mid August 2004. I don't remember how detailed that info was. >> There were many Herkimer County Carpenters, some related in varying degrees, others presumably not at all. My posting of 12 August 2004 deals only with Warren Carpenter and his son Jotham, both of Russia, Herkimer Co., New York, and formerly of Swansea and Rehoboth, Massachusetts. Warren was the son of John5 (Benjamin4, Joseph3, William2-1) and Sarah (Hilliard) Carpenter. I see no connection (direct, at least) between them and the Carpenters of Norway, Herkimer Co., who were formerly of Rhode Island. It seems highly unlikely, moreover, that William Carpenter of Norway, Herkimer Co. (b. Rhode Island ca. 1809) was the same as the William Carpenter (b. Sandy Hill, Washington Co., N.Y., ca. 1808), son of John Carpenter (b. Jamaica, Long Island, 11 July 1765). The 1850 federal census for Norway has six Carpenter men reported as born in Rhode Island (among them, the least common forenames are Low and Edward); it would be appropriate to look for them there. That Charles Carpenter's middle name was Pomeroy (an old New England surname) might indicate that he was named after a (Charles?) Pomeroy, perhaps from an allied family. Gene Z. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850<http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850>) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lance, I noticed the name Merle, which is fairly uncommon, in your post and wondered if your cousin might be named for some other Merle I might want to know about. My grandfather and uncle were Merle M. and Merle O. CARPENTER of Wisconsin. I don't know if Grandpa was named for anyone, and I don't know of any Alaska connection. Merle M.'s father (Horace B.), grandfather (Isaac), and uncle, (William), came from NY via Ohio ca 1850s. My late uncle is in the CARPENTER cousins DNA project with a 37-marker test (I am so glad he was willing to participate!). He was evidently descended from the Rehoboth branch, but we have not found anyone else in the project who connects on paper yet, or any real proof elsewhere of possible further ancestry (Ezra?) prior to Horace CARPENTER m3. in Whitehall, NY 1830s, b. NH or Canada 1790s. Anything familiar? --Pam Berger, Milwaukee, WI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Gillette" <fnldg1@uaf.edu> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing > Hello: > > Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born about > 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his > father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter. > > Lance Gillette > Fairbanks, Alaska

John R. Carpenter wrote: << I believe that Gene Zubrinsky looked at the Herkimer county Carpenters at one time in mid August 2004. I don't remember how detailed that info was. >> There were many Herkimer County Carpenters, some related in varying degrees, others presumably not at all. My posting of 12 August 2004 deals only with Warren Carpenter and his son Jotham, both of Russia, Herkimer Co., New York, and formerly of Swansea and Rehoboth, Massachusetts. Warren was the son of John5 (Benjamin4, Joseph3, William2-1) and Sarah (Hilliard) Carpenter. I see no connection (direct, at least) between them and the Carpenters of Norway, Herkimer Co., who were formerly of Rhode Island. It seems highly unlikely, moreover, that William Carpenter of Norway, Herkimer Co. (b. Rhode Island ca. 1809) was the same as the William Carpenter (b. Sandy Hill, Washington Co., N.Y., ca. 1808), son of John Carpenter (b. Jamaica, Long Island, 11 July 1765). The 1850 federal census for Norway has six Carpenter men reported as born in Rhode Island (among them, the least common forenames are Low and Edward); it would be appropriate to look for them there. That Charles Carpenter's middle name was Pomeroy (an old New England surname) might indicate that he was named after a (Charles?) Pomeroy, perhaps from an allied family. Gene Z. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850)

John L., Sorry for the delay. Family issues. The William Carpenter b. abt 1809 MAY be the son of the following William Carpenter. I have had no update on this line since 2000. See below. Y-DNA could help resolve the question if the descendants matched each other by using DNA. They could also determine which DNA group they belong in the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. I believe that Gene Zubrinsky looked at the Herkimer county Carpenters at one time in mid August 2004. I don't remember how detailed that info was. I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm 1. William Carpenter-20886 was born on 11 Jul 1765 in Jamaica, , LI, NY and was christened in of, Westchester, NY. He died in 1822 in , Herkimer, NY. Number 858 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 150. No family listed. It is believed but not proven that the William above and below are the same person. JRC 2/2000. E-MAIL: > > Dear John, > > I hope that you can help me. I am researching my 4th-great > > grandfather Henry Carpenter. The following information about Henry > > was taken from the book "History of DuPage County". Henry Carpenter > > native of Washington County, New York. Born February 22, 1810, died > > in DuPage County, Illinois 1891. He married Martha Blanchard in > > Orleans County, New York, October 14, 1832. She was a native of > > Whitehall, New York. Her parents were Ahimaaz Blanchard and Mary > > (Tolford) Blanchard. They moved to Downers Grove, DuPage County, > > Illinois in 1840. Henry and Martha had a son Walter Carpenter, born > > in NY Nov. 05, 1833, died 1856 in Chicago. They had two other > > children, both were born in Illinois. William, 1842, died young, and > > Martha J. born 1845 ( my line). Henry's parents were William > > Carpenter, a native of Westchester County, NY. He died in Herkimer > > County, NY in 1822. William married Lois Austin, a native of Saratoga > > County, NY. She died in 1814. I was hoping that you might have > > information on William's Ancestry. If I can link Henry to the > > "Rehoboth" line, I would be happy to provide you with the information > > on Henry's descendants. Henry was a very prominent man in DuPage > > County. I want to thank you for any assistance that you can give me. > > Your 2000AD CD is going to be a fanastic research tool for a lot of > > people. Again Thank you. > > Deborah Weber > > fdeweber@msn.com William married (MRIN:8668) Lois Austin-57756. Lois was born about 1765 in of, Saratoga, Monroe, NY. She died in 1814 in , , NY. They had the following children: + 2 F i. Mary Carpenter-58457 was born about 1800. 3 M ii. William Carpenter-58456 was born about 1808 in Sandy Hill, Washington, NY. >From reading Henry's diary, he also had an older brother probably named William, who was in Yates or Lyndon, in Orleans County, NY, spring 1831. The family lived in Onondaga County about 1814. Henry wrote a poem about his childhood memories in Old Onondaga County. + 4 M iii. Henry Carpenter-57757 was born on 22 Feb 1810 and died on 7 Jun 1891. Second Generation 2. Mary Carpenter-58457 (William) was born about 1800 in , Washington, NY. MARY (CARPENTER) PERRY Born: about 1800 in NY - according to Henry's diary Mary was his eldest sister. Died: Unknown - was living in Downers Grove in 1860 Married: Paul Perry in New York PAUL PERRY - Born: in NY abt. abt. 1798 Paul and Mary Perry had the following children - William; born abt. 1823 - Henry; born abt. 1830, - John; born abt. 1833, Merrit; born abt. 1842. Mary married (MRIN:21819) Paul Perry-58458. Paul was born about 1800 in of, Dupage, IL. They had the following children: 5 M i. Henry Perry-58459 was born about 1822 in of, Dupage, IL. 6 M ii. John Perry-58460 was born about 1825 in of, Dupage, IL. 7 M iii. Merritt Perry-58461 was born about 1828 in of, Dupage, IL. 8 M iv. William Perry-58462 was born about 1830 in of, Dupage, IL. 4. Henry Carpenter-57757 (William) was born on 22 Feb 1810 in Sandy Hill, Washington, NY. He died on 7 Jun 1891 in Downers Grove, Dupage, IL. E-MAIL: excerpt from E-MAil: "According to Blanchards" History of DuPage County, IL", Henry bought half of the 200 acres of land in DuPage that Walter had previous purchased. Henry came first in 1839, returned to NY and came back to Illinois in May 1840 with Martha and their son Walter. Walter Blanchard had already moved his family to IL by this time." AND ... "Almost all of the Carpenters in DuPage are buried in Oak Hill or Oak Crest Cemeteries-(they are next to each other)." Per Debbie Weber "fdeweber" <fdeweber@email.msn.com> SEE: Ahimaaz BLANCHARD for the complete E-Mail. MORE: (8 May 2000) Henry was born in Washington County, Sandy Hill, NY on February 22, 1810. His parents were William Carpenter and Lois Austin Carpenter. They had six children. Lois Carpenter died in 1814. She was a native of Saratoga County, NY. Henry and his father (possibly other siblings) went to Herkimer County abt. 1814/15 to live with another of Henry's brothers. William Carpenter, Henry's father died in Herkimer County in 1822. Henry apprenticed to the harness-maker's trade, at which he worked for several years. Henry married Martha Blanchard a native of Orleans County in 1832. They moved to Downer's Grove, DuPage County, Illinois permanently in 1845 and remained there until his death in June 7, 1891. They had three children: Walter, killed in an explosion in Chicago: William, died at 5 yrs.: Martha J. born 1845. (Martha married Eugene Farrar.) This information was taken from the 1874 Atlas and History of DuPage County, IL: Henry was the son of William who was the son of William ( the author may have been mistaken about William being the son of William), who descended from the three Carpenters (father, son and grandson) who during the 17th century, settled in Mass. After the death of his mother he went to Central NY to live with a brother. This information was taken from Henry's diary: 1830- Worked in Hamilton this is near Burlington Bay at the head of Lake Ontario probably in Orleans County, NY) went over to Orleans County to Yates, had a brother there, he sent me to the village of Lyndon. ( The 1830 census for Yates lists only one Carpenter. His name was William.) Spring 1835- Elected Justice of the Peace for the town of Yates (Orleans County). (Henry served until 1840). 1850: Downers Grove, Illinois: Eldest sister came to live here with her husband and children. (Henry's sister was named Mary Carpenter. According to the 1850 DuPage County Census she would have been born in 1799/1800 in New York) Husband's name was Paul Perry. Mary and Paul had the following children: Henry, John, Merritt, William. I would appreciate any information or connections that you may have on this Carpenter Family. I e-mailed John Carpenter last month and he sent me a file on some Carpenter's in Illinois, but so far I have not been able to match my Henry and William to this file. Thank you very much for your help. Debbie Weber fdeweber@msn.com Henry married (MRIN:21587) Martha Blanchard-57755, daughter of Ahimaaz Blanchard-57754 and Mary Tolford-57758 (MRIN:21538), on 14 Oct 1832 in , Orleans, NY. Martha was born about 1814 in of, Whitehall, , NY. SHE WAS THE AUNT OF CHARLES CARPENTER # 4320 in the Carpenter Memorial. Martha was the sister of Charles's father Walter Blanchard. Henry and Martha had the following children: 9 M i. Walter Carpenter-57759 was born on 5 Nov 1833 in Yates, Orleans, NY. He died on 9 Nov 1856 in Chicago, , IL. Killed in an explosion in Chicago, IL. Died November 9, 1856 in Cook County, Illinois-killed in a train accident when a boiler exploded. Educated in New York. 10 M ii. William Carpenter-57760 was born in 1842 in Downer's Grove, Dupage, IL. He died on 20 May 1848 in Downer's Grove, Dupage, IL. Died young. 11 F iii. Martha J. Carpenter-57761 was born on 25 Sep 1845 in Downer's Grove, Dupage, IL. She died on 2 Feb 1923 in Downer's Grove, Dupage, IL. Martha married (MRIN:21588) Eugene Farrar-58455 on 10 Dec 1864 in Downers Grove, Du Page, IL. Eugene was born about 1845 in of, Dupage, IL. 12 M iv. William S. Carpenter-64654 was born in 1854 in Warrensville, Dupage, IL. He died about 1921 in , , CA. WILLIAM S. CARPENTER - ADOPTED BY HENRY SOMETIME BETWEEN 1860 AND 1870. William was born in Warrensville, DuPage County in 1854. Owned and operated a Drug and Stationery Store in Downers Grove. Married Miss Martha Hobart. William died in California abt. 1921. Note: I feel that there had to have been a blood relationship between William's natural parents and Henry. After the death of Henry's son Walter, Henry went into a deep depression and sold most of his business interests. I do not feel that he would have adopted a son at this time unless the child was related to him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnlsaywhat@aol.com To: CARPENTER@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Charles Pomeroy Carpenter Friend in need of help -RSVP to me I am trying trace my lineage and have gone back to the US Federal Census of 1870 taken in N. Bloomfield, Ohio. In this census is listed my great, great grandfather Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in New York. This much I know is certain. From here everything I have done is based upon my best research and estimation. I found a William Carpenter living in Norway, Herkimer County, New York on the US 1850 Census. This particular William was approximately 41 years of age at the time of this census. And, his wife was named Ann Eliza. They listed six children by the time of the 1860 Census. One child listed was Charles P. Carpenter, who I believe might be Charles Pomeroy Carpenter of N Bloomfield, Ohio. The age of Charles P of New York of the 1850 Census ties with what Charles P Carpenter's age would have been by the 1870 Census taken in N Bloomfield, Ohio. According to the New York 1850 Census, William Carpenter of Norway, Herkimer, New York was born in Rhode Island. I was wondering if this same William Carpenter of Norway, NY is tied into your family lineage? I have been searching for information and came upon your web site. Any information that you could provide would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.

In response to your question stated below, Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in NY 1838, Helen J. born in NY 1841, Henry S. born in NY 1844, and Adalaide Carpenter born in NY 1846. Their father listed as William Carpenter born between 1809 and 1811 in Rhode Island. They lived in Norway, Herkimer County, NY. There was another William Carpenter according to the 1840 Census who was between the ages of 40 and 50 living in Russia, Herkimer County, NY. He had six children as of this census. I am guessing that the William of Norway and the William of Russia were probably related, but I am not certain. According to my research, there was a William Carpenter listed in the Rhode Island Census of 1810, with 11 members in the household, including a male under the age of 10. But there were many Carpenters in that Rhode Island Census with a male child under the age of 10, who could have been the father of William of Norway. This is where I hit a brick wall Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:02:07 -0500 From: "Brad & Bonnie Kershaw" <bkershaw@hughes.net> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Charles Pomeroy Carpenter To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001f01c89d1b$29cfa110$0600a8c0@bbktexas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not sure if this Charles Pomeroy Carpenter is related to my Carpenters or not. Do you have any of the other children's names from this census? I doubt if it is, as my great-grandfather, Alfred Madison Carpenter, born in Madison County, NY, in 1830, was the last of 11 children. I don't know how many of them would have been left at home by 1850. I have some info that a William was his father, but he would have been about 55 in 1850. I'm at a brick wall with my research, so I was hopeful when I first read your post. I'd be glad to share what info I have if it turns out that there is any tie here. Bonnie **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850)

John, I found a Charles F. Carpenter, b. 3 Jul 1809.? His parents were Powell and Lucy Killam Carpenter.? I have no notes, however...? Powell was born in New Castle, NY, married in PA.? But, it's still a possibility. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Johnlsaywhat@aol.com To: CARPENTER@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:23 pm Subject: [CARPENTER] Charles Pomeroy Carpenter Friend in need of help -RSVP to me I am trying trace my lineage and have gone back to the US Federal Census of 1870 taken in N. Bloomfield, Ohio. In this census is listed my great, great grandfather Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in New York. This much I know is certain. From here everything I have done is based upon my best research and estimation. I found a William Carpenter living in Norway, Herkimer County, New York on the US 1850 Census. This particular William was approximately 41 years of age at the time of this census. And, his wife was named Ann Eliza. They listed six children by the time of the 1860 Census. One child listed was Charles P. Carpenter, who I believe might be Charles Pomeroy Carpenter of N Bloomfield, Ohio. The age of Charles P of New York of the 1850 Census ties with what Charles P Carpenter's age would have been by the 1870 Census taken in N Bloomfield, Ohio. According to the New York 1850 Census, William Carpenter of Norway, Herkimer, New York was born in Rhode Island. I was wondering if this same William Carpenter of Norway, NY is tied into your family lineage? I have been searching for information and came upon your web site. Any information that you could provide would be appreciated. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Friend in need of help -RSVP to me I am trying trace my lineage and have gone back to the US Federal Census of 1870 taken in N. Bloomfield, Ohio. In this census is listed my great, great grandfather Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in New York. This much I know is certain. From here everything I have done is based upon my best research and estimation. I found a William Carpenter living in Norway, Herkimer County, New York on the US 1850 Census. This particular William was approximately 41 years of age at the time of this census. And, his wife was named Ann Eliza. They listed six children by the time of the 1860 Census. One child listed was Charles P. Carpenter, who I believe might be Charles Pomeroy Carpenter of N Bloomfield, Ohio. The age of Charles P of New York of the 1850 Census ties with what Charles P Carpenter's age would have been by the 1870 Census taken in N Bloomfield, Ohio. According to the New York 1850 Census, William Carpenter of Norway, Herkimer, New York was born in Rhode Island. I was wondering if this same William Carpenter of Norway, NY is tied into your family lineage? I have been searching for information and came upon your web site. Any information that you could provide would be appreciated. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850)

I'm not sure if this Charles Pomeroy Carpenter is related to my Carpenters or not. Do you have any of the other children's names from this census? I doubt if it is, as my great-grandfather, Alfred Madison Carpenter, born in Madison County, NY, in 1830, was the last of 11 children. I don't know how many of them would have been left at home by 1850. I have some info that a William was his father, but he would have been about 55 in 1850. I'm at a brick wall with my research, so I was hopeful when I first read your post. I'd be glad to share what info I have if it turns out that there is any tie here. Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johnlsaywhat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:23 PM To: CARPENTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [CARPENTER] Charles Pomeroy Carpenter Friend in need of help -RSVP to me I am trying trace my lineage and have gone back to the US Federal Census of 1870 taken in N. Bloomfield, Ohio. In this census is listed my great, great grandfather Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in New York. This much I know is certain. From here everything I have done is based upon my best research and estimation. I found a William Carpenter living in Norway, Herkimer County, New York on the US 1850 Census. This particular William was approximately 41 years of age at the time of this census. And, his wife was named Ann Eliza. They listed six children by the time of the 1860 Census. One child listed was Charles P. Carpenter, who I believe might be Charles Pomeroy Carpenter of N Bloomfield, Ohio. The age of Charles P of New York of the 1850 Census ties with what Charles P Carpenter's age would have been by the 1870 Census taken in N Bloomfield, Ohio. According to the New York 1850 Census, William Carpenter of Norway, Herkimer, New York was born in Rhode Island. I was wondering if this same William Carpenter of Norway, NY is tied into your family lineage? I have been searching for information and came upon your web site. Any information that you could provide would be appreciated. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear George, I am so sorry for your loss. It must be very difficult to lose a brother so soon. My roots are connected to a Reuben Carpenter circa 1780 of SC through children ending up in Alabama. Even though there is not much discussion of Reubens on this list, there were several Reubens. Early ones were in the MA area and later SC, NC, OH, MS, AL, TX, AR, IA. Just a simple search pulls up the following: 1790 Census: Reuben in MA, Reuben in CT, Reuben in VT 1800 Census: this census lists the first 3 plus 1 in NC. If you search a little harder, you can find Reubens in Territorial lists and land records , etc. all over the US. Also, some Reuben Zimmermans changed their surname to Carpenter. I can easily find 36 Reubens in the 1880 census. There was a Reuben in the 1895 (Blue Earth County) Minnesota Territorial census which was maybe your ancestor? I always liked the name Reuben. It's a good strong name being associated with the founder of one of God's tribes. Thank you for replying to my post and sharing the information about your brother. It sounds like Marion is lucky to have you for an Uncle. Donna Carpenter-Cuzze

Good Morning Donna! Reuben Carpenter. Not a name we see often in our research. However, I just have to say my brother, Reuben Donald Carpenter, died on 21 December, 1983 at the age of 52 in Rock Island, Illinois from a major heart attack and complications from cancer. He married Alice Danner in 1952. There children were Max and Marion. His daughter, Marion Hart is the only survivor of his family. gc -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Soard Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:42 AM To: Donna Cuzze; carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Question: Reuben Carpenter OH & John Flanders NH Donna, I have read that land grant rights were sold to others simply because they wanted the money, but not the land. Richard At 02:42 AM 4/6/2008, you wrote: >Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons, >or were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran? > >Example: OHIO MILITARY LAND GRANT > >There is granted to "REUBEN CARPENTER" assignee of "JOHN FLANDERS" >heir at law of Jacob Flanders, a private in the late New Hampshire >Line. ... 100 acres being in for lot No.thirty seven in the first >quarter of the Sixth Township in the Sixteenth Range of the tract >appropriated for satisfying warrants for military services and >surveyed and located in pursuance of the acts above recited. .. >Dated : Oct 6, 1812 > >Thanks, >Donna Carpenter-Cuzze > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Richard H. Soard rsoard@mindspring.com 770.971.7398 678.386.2528 cell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Donna, I have read that land grant rights were sold to others simply because they wanted the money, but not the land. Richard At 02:42 AM 4/6/2008, you wrote: >Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons, >or were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran? > >Example: OHIO MILITARY LAND GRANT > >There is granted to "REUBEN CARPENTER" assignee of "JOHN FLANDERS" >heir at law of Jacob Flanders, a private in the late New Hampshire >Line. ... 100 acres being in for lot No.thirty seven in the first >quarter of the Sixth Township in the Sixteenth Range of the tract >appropriated for satisfying warrants for military services and >surveyed and located in pursuance of the acts above recited. .. >Dated : Oct 6, 1812 > >Thanks, >Donna Carpenter-Cuzze > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Richard H. Soard rsoard@mindspring.com 770.971.7398 678.386.2528 cell

Donna asked: << Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons, or were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran? >> The former. Gene Z. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons, or were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran? Example: OHIO MILITARY LAND GRANT There is granted to "REUBEN CARPENTER" assignee of "JOHN FLANDERS" heir at law of Jacob Flanders, a private in the late New Hampshire Line. ... 100 acres being in for lot No.thirty seven in the first quarter of the Sixth Township in the Sixteenth Range of the tract appropriated for satisfying warrants for military services and surveyed and located in pursuance of the acts above recited. .. Dated : Oct 6, 1812 Thanks, Donna Carpenter-Cuzze

Inscription from Woodlawn Cemetery, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY: In memory of RICHARD CARPENTER WHO DIED April 27 1813, AGED 63 YEARS. ABIGAIL WIFE OF RICHARD CARPENTER WHO DIED October 29 1816, IN THE 78th YEAR OF HER AGE. PARENTS OF ELIZABETH WFE OF THOMAS BARNEY --- ELIZABETH BARNEY BORN 14 Feb. 1771. DIED 3 April 1839. --- THOMAS BARNEY BORN 1 June 1765. DIED 14 Feb. 1850 --- THOMAS & ELIZABETH, BARNEY, CAME FROM ORANGE COUNTY N. Y. TO CANANDAIGUA. June 1798. Also see my message from January 1: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARPENTER/2008-01/1199198704 I still believe I am on the right track. Dennis

This came across one of my county lists: http://alexanderstreet.com/resources/civilwar.access.htm Tim Stowell