Sept 1730. James Sand OB, son Othniel Sands prop west lot bought of Anthony Wright; sons Abijah and John. Farm meadows messuages at Matinecock in Queen co. bough from Isaac Foreman right on the east end of the plains. Somes Abijah and John all that half share of land of mine in GOSHEN in OREGANE Co. in partnership with RICHARD CORNWELL except 100 acres given to SAMUEL EVERITT, also half my right in OB old purchase. 4 daughters: Mary Zerviah, Jerusha, and Sarah. son James is to keep hal of Sarah's part till Sarah hath a child and if that never ben, then to James to reman. Grand daughter, Sarah Everitt. Exec: Caleb cornell, Esq. of Hempstead and Samuel Underhill of OB. Wit Wm Burch, Peter Hegeman, Benjamin Carpenter proved Jan 16, 1733/4. Phoebe Looks like maybe this is the property that Abijah Sands sold to James Thompson in Orange Co??

Is anyone researching Carpenter who married into Sullivan or Renshaw or Almon lines? This would have been in KY. Andrew Jackson CARPENTER, 1872, Ky? Tn?, married Mary Ellen SULLIVAN, daughter of Edward and Mary SULLIVAN in 1892. Looking for any leads on Andrew's parents. Andrew and Mary Ellen lived and died in Hopkins County, KY, in Earlington and Madisonville, KY. Any help appreciated. Sue P. Carpenter

Hi All! I am a descendant of the Allisons/Ellisons of Orange County, NY. My Carpenter line is not as "easy". there have been a couple of books written on this line. THE HISTORY OF THE ALISON OR ALLISON FAMILY IN EUROPE AND AMERICA, 1135 TO 1893, by Leonard Allison Morrison. Chapter 12 deals with the Orange County, NY line. As this book was written in 1893, I have found some errors in the book. Many ALLISON researchers consider this the foundation book for Allison research. >From page 210 "1304. Martha Allison, m. Mr. Carpenter. child: Richard Allison Carpenter 1305. Margaret Allison, m. Nathaniel Roe. Child: William Allison Roe. 1306. Elizabeth Allison, m. Mr. Carpenter. Child: Benjamin Carpenter. She was living Jan. 19, 1797." Martha, Margaret, and Elizabeth are the daughters of Richard Allison. I don't own the book and the copy of the pages I have were written all over by an eager cousin. I find this line to be very difficult without a lot of documentation and repeated names. I hope this helps somewhat. Betsy McGee Rice Riceys5@aol.com

--part1_36f01a4f.246459da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-07 10:57:59 EDT, MzCortez writes: << Vol A pg 231 From LDS film Mortgages Orange Co NY Reg 24 June 1776 A mortgage. from JOHN ALLISON of pre. of Goshen in co OR, NY, yeoman and ABIGAIL his w to JANE MORRIS of G in the Co of Or NY, Widow ..For tw third parts of the following undivided lot of land situate lying and being in pre. of G,..One third part of which JOHN ALLISON, his father, did give and devise to him by his last will and testament bearing date of Sept 12, 1763 and one other third part the said JOHN ALLISON purchased of his brother HENRY ALLISON. Bounded as...JOHN WISNER ..220 acres acknowled ..before RICHARD EDSALL one of the judges of the Inferior Ct of Common Please of Orange Co. I am studying this family because they seem to be related and certainly associated with the Wisners and Carpenters that I am studying. Now look: Mortgage Vol A pg 353, 4,5 Registered 18 June 1783 A mortgage from MOSES CARPENTER of Goshen in Or Co and NY, yeoman and HANNAH (note: 2nd, nee Smith) to CHRISTIAN MORRIS, JACOB MORRIS, and SARAH MORRIS of the Co of Or...for all that certain lot..e..sit and lying being near MT EVE in the pat of Wawayanda in Co Or..Beg at a stake sones...line of the farm or plantation of late of CAPT JOHN WISNER, deceased and runs then.....along sd farm..stake standing in the Bog meadows...past line of a lot of 110 acres of part of estate of sd John Wisner, decd commonly called LEWES's Farm then...containing 220 acres to be void on the pay ment 371 pounds 21 shilling ..obligation given by said Moses Carpenter to sd Christian Morris for Jacob, Sarah ...acknowled the 16 day of June 1783 before WM ALLISON Esq, one of the judges of inferior ct of common please for co of Or. Note: Moses Carpenter sold this property to the Wheelers who promised to pay the balance of the mortgage in 1792, I believe, can't find the deed right now but will abstract it later if someone wants to see it. Will of SARAH ARNOLD of NY widow. leave to my sister MARY DEKAY, brother MICHAEL DEKAY, br CHARLES, sister FRANCES DEKAY. Niece FRANCES SACKET. Children of my sister JEAN MORRIS, viz: CHRISTIAN, JACOB, and SARAH. Leave to HENRY GALE son of SAMUEL GALE (relationship not given), ch of brother GEORGE DEKAY, viz GEORGE and JULIANA. Niece SARAH dau of br. THOMAS DEKAY, HENRY ARNOLD COOPER, son of sister ELIZABETH COOPER, her mother CHRISTIAN DEKAY, ch of of brother WILLET DEKAY: THOMAS, GEORGE, WM and MARY. sisters: MARY and FRANCES. Exec. her mother and fiends GABRIEL G. LUDLOW and GEORGE DUNCAN LUDLOW. dated July 20, 1768 Wit: GABRIEAL LUDLOW, RICHARD MORRIS, Esq., ABRAHAM KINNNER, Jr. proved Apr 13, 1768 (dats a bit crazy, but that is what it says) 1771 A note I find - ABSALOM TOWNSEND and THOMAS MOORE, sureties for JANE MORRIS widow of JACOB. Her ch. Christian, Jacob and Sarah. Chauncery Ct records LDS Fiche? 6088050 Guardianships 1691-1815 Another bit of info I see is in part of a mortgage from Abel Jackson of Florida in Or Co and Chritian his wf to Wm Thomposn, Esq of Florida which state that Abel Jackson bought property from Wm Thompson b. Isaac Wynan and states that Abel Jackson is the brother of James Jackson -- I do not have all of this deed as it is at the bottom of the above dated - June 18 1783 >> --part1_36f01a4f.246459da_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: MzCortez@aol.com From: MzCortez@aol.com Full-name: MzCortez Message-ID: <36f01a4f.24645977@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:57:59 EDT Subject: Mortgage: John Allison to Jane Morris 1776 Orange Co NY To: NYULSTER-L@rootsweb.com CC: jjreedy@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Vol A pg 231 From LDS film Mortgages Orange Co NY Reg 24 June 1776 A mortgage. from JOHN ALLISON of pre. of Goshen in co OR, NY, yeoman and ABIGAIL his w to JANE MORRIS of G in the Co of Or NY, Widow ..For tw third parts of the following undivided lot of land situate lying and being in pre. of G,..One third part of which JOHN ALLISON, his father, did give and devise to him by his last will and testament bearing date of Sept 12, 1763 and one other third part the said JOHN ALLISON purchased of his brother HENRY ALLISON. Bounded as...JOHN WISNER ..220 acres acknowled ..before RICHARD EDSALL one of the judges of the Inferior Ct of Common Please of Orange Co. I am studying this family because they seem to be related and certainly associated with the Wisners and Carpenters that I am studying. Now look: Mortgage Vol A pg 353, 4,5 Registered 18 June 1783 A mortgage from MOSES CARPENTER of Goshen in Or Co and NY, yeoman and HANNAH (note: 2nd, nee Smith) to CHRISTIAN MORRIS, JACOB MORRIS, and SARAH MORRIS of the Co of Or...for all that certain lot..e..sit and lying being near MT EVE in the pat of Wawayanda in Co Or..Beg at a stake sones...line of the farm or plantation of late of CAPT JOHN WISNER, deceased and runs then.....along sd farm..stake standing in the Bog meadows...past line of a lot of 110 acres of part of estate of sd John Wisner, decd commonly called LEWES's Farm then...containing 220 acres to be void on the pay ment 371 pounds 21 shilling ..obligation given by said Moses Carpenter to sd Christian Morris for Jacob, Sarah ...acknowled the 16 day of June 1783 before WM ALLISON Esq, one of the judges of inferior ct of common please for co of Or. Note: Moses Carpenter sold this property to the Wheelers who promised to pay the balance of the mortgage in 1792, I believe, can't find the deed right now but will abstract it later if someone wants to see it. Will of SARAH ARNOLD of NY widow. leave to my sister MARY DEKAY, brother MICHAEL DEKAY, br CHARLES, sister FRANCES DEKAY. Niece FRANCES SACKET. Children of my sister JEAN MORRIS, viz: CHRISTIAN, JACOB, and SARAH. Leave to HENRY GALE son of SAMUEL GALE (relationship not given), ch of brother GEORGE DEKAY, viz GEORGE and JULIANA. Niece SARAH dau of br. THOMAS DEKAY, HENRY ARNOLD COOPER, son of sister ELIZABETH COOPER, her mother CHRISTIAN DEKAY, ch of of brother WILLET DEKAY: THOMAS, GEORGE, WM and MARY. sisters: MARY and FRANCES. Exec. her mother and fiends GABRIEL G. LUDLOW and GEORGE DUNCAN LUDLOW. dated July 20, 1768 Wit: GABRIEAL LUDLOW, RICHARD MORRIS, Esq., ABRAHAM KINNNER, Jr. proved Apr 13, 1768 (dats a bit crazy, but that is what it says) 1771 A note I find - ABSALOM TOWNSEND and THOMAS MOORE, sureties for JANE MORRIS widow of JACOB. Her ch. Christian, Jacob and Sarah. Chauncery Ct records LDS Fiche? 6088050 Guardianships 1691-1815 Another bit of info I see is in part of a mortgage from Abel Jackson of Florida in Or Co and Chritian his wf to Wm Thomposn, Esq of Florida which state that Abel Jackson bought property from Wm Thompson b. Isaac Wynan and states that Abel Jackson is the brother of James Jackson -- I do not have all of this deed as it is at the bottom of the above dated - June 18 1783 --part1_36f01a4f.246459da_boundary--

Many thanks to the 7 people who contributed valuable information in regard to my Rehoboth question ! I have nothing to offer on my Carpenter line -- simply haven't researched that line yet -- only know Eunice Carpenter, b. 1774 in Massachusetts, m. John Preston who was born in Vermont, moved to Michigan (and it appeared to be a very slow move with stops along the way), settled in the area of Blissfield (between 1820 & 1830), Lenawee Co., MI, and both are buried in Blissfield Cemetery. The Prestons all had huge families -- began a reunion in the 1890's which still meets in MI each July. I am glad to share any info. I have on any of my lines. I have cancer and can't do much traveling any more. None of my 9 kids are serious about genealogy (the last one graduates from high school next month -- yippeee!), so sharing by means of the computer seems to be the answer. If I gain some info., that is nice, but my first purpose is sharing. Some of my surnames are well researched and documented; on others I have little information. My surnames are: Archer, Bair, Bemis, Carpenter, Carrick, Chrysler, Comer, Cramer, Culp, Dixon, Esling, Handschey, Hopkins (Mayflower line), Hunter, Jarvis, Johns, Kleinhenn/Kline (various spellings), McCauley (various spellings), Monks, Patterson, Porter, Preston, Ray, Seitz, Simons, Simpson, Slee, Spitler, Wise. Doris Preston Simons dmsimons@juno.com Findlay, OH Dorie18gen@aol.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

John L. and John R., This is the right Reuben for that John that was shown as a son of Robert and Leatha. John in NH wrote: > > some one was looking for this info ? > ---- > > Regarding Robert CARPENTER file of Edgefield. This is right up Terry's > alley. Did you check with him? > All I show is this: > Descendants of Reuben Carpenter, Sr. > > 1 CARPENTER, Reuben, Sr. b: 1770-1780 in Nash Co. NC > GA (a Rubin was > on 1803 GA taxroll) > SC d: Abt. 1843 in Edgefield Co., SC in SC 1810 and > 1830 census > .. +BUTLER, Mary b: 1770-1780 in SC? > 2 CARPENTER, Reuben ok, Jr. b: 1790-1800 in SC > MS in 1835 >(a Ruben > also inTalladega 1840 Census) d: 1853 in Upshur Co., TX 1850 TX Census > ..... +CARPENTER, Mrs. Reuben, Jr. b: 1780-1790 > *2nd Wife of Reuben ok Carpenter, Jr.: > ..... +SPOUSE d: in TX > 2 CARPENTER, Thomas ok b: Abt. 1800 in SC>in MS 1840 census>in MS 1850 > census d: Aft. 1850 in ?Chickasaw Co., MISS > ..... +AVEY b: Abt. 1802 in SC d: Unknown in ?Chickasaw Co., MISS > 2 CARPENTER, Boy 3 b: 1800-1810 > 2 CARPENTER, Boy 4 b: 1800-1810 > 2 CARPENTER, Girl 3 b: 1800-1810 > 2 CARPENTER, Abigail ok b: Abt. 1806 in SC d: Unknown in Edgefield Co., > SC > ..... +STALNAKER, Samuel b: Abt. 1805 in SC? d: Unknown in ?Edgefield, SC > 2 CARPENTER, Mary ok b: Abt. 1807 in SC d: Unknown in Chickasaw Co., MS ? > ..... +GRAY, James b: Abt. 1805 in SC? d: Unknown in Chickasaw Co., MS ? > 2 CARPENTER, Jane ok b: Abt. 1815 in SC d: Unknown in Edgefield Co., SC/ > CLay Oo., ALA? > ..... +BUTLER, Samuel b: Abt. 1815 in SC ? d: Unknown in Edgefield Co., SC > 2 CARPENTER, Martha ok b: Abt. 1817 in SC d: Aft. 1843 in Unk > 2 CARPENTER, Ellen ok b: Abt. 1820 in SC d: Bef. 1843 in SC ? > ..... +BARDON, John S. b: Abt. 1820 in SC ? d: Unknown in SC ? > 2 CARPENTER, Frances ok b: Abt. 1822 in SC d: Bef. 1843 in SC ? > ..... +HILL, Joel P. b: Abt. 1820 in SC ? d: Unknown in Unk > *2nd Wife of Reuben Carpenter, Sr.: > .. +HENDERSON, Rebecca b: Abt. 1780 in SC? > > Donna Carpenter > dcaguila@psn.net ICQ= 21109087 > HOME PAGES: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Andes/4952/ > http://members.tripod.com/~Donna_Carpenter/index.html

> The 17th century historian and genealogist Jean le Carpenter maintained > The Dutch Carpentiers, the Paris Charpentiers and the English Carpenters > were of the same origins, in Cambray,of what is now France and tracable = > to > the early 1000s. The descendants of Godefroy de Carpentier went to = > England > about 1300, he maintained. Cambray at that time was a separtate kingdom > called Hainaught. In 1328 the Queen of England was Philippa of = > Hainaught. > Philippa brought with her a whole colony of her countrymen connected > to weaving to settle in Norfork England which she took a personal = > interest > in and visited many times. John Carpenter the Town Clerk of London can = > be > associated with these events in two ways. First John was a lay member of = > the > Charterhouse, a religious house begun by a Sir Walter de Manny, from > Hainaught, who arrived in England with Philippa. Secondly, in the civil = > unrest > that took place in the later 1300s John the Town Clerk was asked to = > intervene > in the civil unrest in Norfork where he apparently had great influence. > There is a possibility a connection to cloth making existed > to the Carpenters from the beginning. In my own Carpenter line,weaving > was a tradition that only came to end end in the 1800s and extended back > to the 1600s. The Carpenter family had important links to the = > development > of the industry itelf along the Blackstone River near Rehoboth. William > Carpenter raised sheep in Massachusetts. His ancestors were Wiltshire > sheep farmers, the center for wool and related manufacture at that time > in England.=20 > Bruce Carpenter > Visiting Scholar > University of Washington > Professor > Tezukayama University,Japan

Hi Doris, "Vital Records of the Town of Freetown, Massachusetts(once Fall River) 1686 through 1890" Compiled by Helen Gurney Thomas Freetown Marriages: SIMMONS/SIMONS Noah, of Midd & Mary Voter, 30 Nov 1796 There is no Noah in Births or Deaths. Midd=Middleborough, MA. Gail LorenMC1@aol.com wrote: > > To add to Gail's advice on Rehoboth..not only is it entangled with > Swansea...but Attleboro, North Attleboro (where I live) Cumberland, RI, > Norton, Foxboro and Seekonk, East Prov. RI. It all depends on the time period > you are speaking of. Rehoboth was a territory (The Rehoboth Purchase) that > comprised all of the above towns at one time. When looking for vital records > it really depends on time period in which town you look! > I have Bristol County VRs (which encompasses most of the above towns) so let > me know what you are looking for. > You mentioned a Noah Simmons...what is the time period you are looking for? > Laurie

some one was looking for this info ? ---- Regarding Robert CARPENTER file of Edgefield. This is right up Terry's alley. Did you check with him? All I show is this: Descendants of Reuben Carpenter, Sr. 1 CARPENTER, Reuben, Sr. b: 1770-1780 in Nash Co. NC > GA (a Rubin was on 1803 GA taxroll) > SC d: Abt. 1843 in Edgefield Co., SC in SC 1810 and 1830 census .. +BUTLER, Mary b: 1770-1780 in SC? 2 CARPENTER, Reuben ok, Jr. b: 1790-1800 in SC > MS in 1835 >(a Ruben also inTalladega 1840 Census) d: 1853 in Upshur Co., TX 1850 TX Census ..... +CARPENTER, Mrs. Reuben, Jr. b: 1780-1790 *2nd Wife of Reuben ok Carpenter, Jr.: ..... +SPOUSE d: in TX 2 CARPENTER, Thomas ok b: Abt. 1800 in SC>in MS 1840 census>in MS 1850 census d: Aft. 1850 in ?Chickasaw Co., MISS ..... +AVEY b: Abt. 1802 in SC d: Unknown in ?Chickasaw Co., MISS 2 CARPENTER, Boy 3 b: 1800-1810 2 CARPENTER, Boy 4 b: 1800-1810 2 CARPENTER, Girl 3 b: 1800-1810 2 CARPENTER, Abigail ok b: Abt. 1806 in SC d: Unknown in Edgefield Co., SC ..... +STALNAKER, Samuel b: Abt. 1805 in SC? d: Unknown in ?Edgefield, SC 2 CARPENTER, Mary ok b: Abt. 1807 in SC d: Unknown in Chickasaw Co., MS ? ..... +GRAY, James b: Abt. 1805 in SC? d: Unknown in Chickasaw Co., MS ? 2 CARPENTER, Jane ok b: Abt. 1815 in SC d: Unknown in Edgefield Co., SC/ CLay Oo., ALA? ..... +BUTLER, Samuel b: Abt. 1815 in SC ? d: Unknown in Edgefield Co., SC 2 CARPENTER, Martha ok b: Abt. 1817 in SC d: Aft. 1843 in Unk 2 CARPENTER, Ellen ok b: Abt. 1820 in SC d: Bef. 1843 in SC ? ..... +BARDON, John S. b: Abt. 1820 in SC ? d: Unknown in SC ? 2 CARPENTER, Frances ok b: Abt. 1822 in SC d: Bef. 1843 in SC ? ..... +HILL, Joel P. b: Abt. 1820 in SC ? d: Unknown in Unk *2nd Wife of Reuben Carpenter, Sr.: .. +HENDERSON, Rebecca b: Abt. 1780 in SC? Donna Carpenter dcaguila@psn.net ICQ= 21109087 HOME PAGES: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Andes/4952/ http://members.tripod.com/~Donna_Carpenter/index.html

To add to Gail's advice on Rehoboth..not only is it entangled with Swansea...but Attleboro, North Attleboro (where I live) Cumberland, RI, Norton, Foxboro and Seekonk, East Prov. RI. It all depends on the time period you are speaking of. Rehoboth was a territory (The Rehoboth Purchase) that comprised all of the above towns at one time. When looking for vital records it really depends on time period in which town you look! I have Bristol County VRs (which encompasses most of the above towns) so let me know what you are looking for. You mentioned a Noah Simmons...what is the time period you are looking for? Laurie

Hi Doris, Forgive me for jumping in here but I grew up in Fall River,MA not far from Rehoboth and still have an aunt who lives there. It is a small, rural area next to and quite entangled genealogically with Swansea,MA. The online access I am sure is very limited and the best response would probably be by snail mail. A large number of Fall River families have roots in Rehoboth so contacting the Fall River Historical Society could prove fruitful. I have a couple of books from the area so you could e-mail me with your specific line and I could try to help. Gail Doris M Simons wrote: > > Dear Robin, > > A curiosity question in regard to Rehoboth, MA. I became entangled in an > over-abundance of gentlemen named "Noah Simons" in the vacinity of 1800. > Since you are the first person I have heard to mention Rehoboth, MA, I > thought I > ask. (This has nothing to do with Carpenters, which are in my ancestry. > The > Rehoboth, MA, ancestry is my husband's Simons.) If you have any leads on > researching Rehoboth, MA, at a distance, I would be grateful. > > Doris Simons > dmsimons@juno.com > > On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:37:09 -0400 Robin Carpenter <ANALYTIX@valley.net> > writes: > > In early April there were a couple of exchanges about searches > >for > >Abraham Carpenters. I have info on three generations of Abrahams, > >based on > >research by the late Vernon Hood of Plainfield NH, courtesy of Kay > >MacLeay: > > > > 1. Abraham C b.1739 Rehoboth MA, d.1797 Rutland Vt. Married > >Elizabeth Bliss (1738-1832). He was the first settled minister in > >Plainfield NH. Sons Abraham and Jesse (b. 1760 Rehoboth) > > > > 2. Abraham C (? - ?) Son of Abraham #1. Was the town "Pound > >Keeper" of Plainfield, and a licensed taverner. His children were > >born in > >Plainfield; Amos (1792), Vicy (1795), Cyril (1797), Abraham (1799), > >Hiram > >(1801). > > > > 3. Abraham C (? - ?) Son of Jesse (1760). Born in Plainfield > >NH, > >prob sometime after 1802. > > Hope this helps someone. > > Robin C. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

CARPENTER, ELLIHUE CHAUTAUQUA CO. NY 007 ELLERY 1825 CARPENTER, EZRA CHAUTAUQUA CO. NY 002 VILLENOVA 1825 CARPENTER, JOEL CHAUTAUQUA CO. NY 006 GERRY 1825 CARPENTER, OLIVER CHAUTAUQUA CO. NY 001 ELLERY 1825 CARPENTER, WILLIAM CHAUTAUQUA CO. NY 002 ELLICOTT 1825 http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/ny+index+651403774+F Chautaqua Co. 1825 census

--part1_59afacd9.246303b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-06 10:38:34 EDT, MzCortez writes: << Carpenter, Richard Orange 23 Carpenter Orange Burglary Fair Brown 6' Ulster Life 1816 Sep 24 dark hazel eyes Pardoned 11/9/1819, free http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/ny+index+59019625512+F >> --part1_59afacd9.246303b2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: MzCortez@aol.com From: MzCortez@aol.com Full-name: MzCortez Message-ID: <59afacd9.2463036a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:38:34 EDT Subject: Richard Carpenter To: NYULSTER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Carpenter, Richard Orange 23 Carpenter Orange Burglary Fair Brown 6' Ulster Life 1816 Sep 24 dark hazel eyes Pardoned 11/9/1819, free http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/ny+index+59019625512+F --part1_59afacd9.246303b2_boundary--

Dear Mary, Perhaps my daughter can help concerning John -- she lives in Smithers, B. C. She has a little interest in genealogy and may get involved when her kids grow up. Her name is Ruth. Please state just what you want to know about your possible Smithers connection and e-mail to me. I will snail-mail to her (sorry, they still prefer to phone and haven't hooked up to e-mail yet). Keep it simple, and I believe she will do some work for you and reply. I have recently subscribed to several lists. Cancer has slowed my travel to research but has increased my involvement with computer genealogy. I always enjoy sharing even more than receiving. But, I have never researched my Carpenter ancestor. She was Eunice Carpenter, b. 1774 in Massachusetts, m. John Preston (b. May 26, 1775, in Bradford, Orange Co., Vermont; d. May 10, 1858, near Blissfield, Lenawee Co., Michigan). Both are buried in Crane Cemetery in Blissfield. I do not have a death date for Eunice; I know nothing of her sibllings, parents, or additional ancestors. The Preston family scroll (first researched in 1949) begins in the 900's and continues to present -- yet most of the children of John and Eunice somehow got "lost." Cousin Marge is doing a great job on this and has gathered the following to date: Joseph, b. 11 March 1800 in Stratford, Orange Co., Vermont. Nothing more known at present. Harriet, b. 26 Dec. 1808 in Cabot Twp., Washington Co., Vermont *John, (my ancestor) b. 17 Feb. 1809 in Bolton, Chittenden Co., Vermont; m. 23 May 1830 to Jane Eliza Ray in Kedzie's Grove, Blissfield Twp., Lenawee Co., Michigan; d. 10 March 1872 near Blissfield, Lenawee Co., MI. John joined the Presbyterian Church in Blissfield on Feb. 21, 1830, was an active member. Yet today, a stained glass window in the church bears his name. **John Preston was a Ruling Elder in the Presbyterian Church at Blissfield in 1863. John and Jane had 11 children. *Samuel, b. 11 Sept. 1812 in Perry, Genessee Co., New York; m. Lucretia Gilbert on 23 May 1838 in Ogden, Lenawee Co., MI; d. 22 Dec. 1892 near Blissfield, Lenawee Co., MI; buried in Franklin Cemetery in Tipton, Lenawee Co., MI. Samuel and Lucretia had 14 children. Lydia -- more info. is available here, but I don't have it -- a descendant of Lydia who is a genealogist has been located recently. Philomela -- It is said that she married a man named Saunders/Sanders in Illinois, but nothing has been documented yet. Franklin, b. 27 Feb. 1818 in Northfreed, Washington Co., Vermont -- nothing more presently known. *After Samuel died, the children of Samuel and John began a Preston reunion, which still continues to meet each July, over 100 years later. **Various Carpenters are listed on a record dated 1850, apparently for church membership and/or baptism: Jos. P., James, and Ann; also Jared Preston (son of the younger John,and my ancestor). Back to John and Eunice -- John lived in Bolton, Vermont, in 1792. Eunice had a child in 1812 in Perry, Genessee Co., New York. In Monroe Co., MI, in 1819, and followed the River Raisin, stopping at Petersburg, where he ran an ashury for a time, but later removed to Blissfield, where he took patent on 80 acres on Section 23 in Blissfield Twp. His last home was NE of Blissfield, where he died. It is said in family that he had 10 or more children, but not all have been accounted for. That's all I have for now. If anyone can add to this, I would be delighted! Also, I am glad to share info. on generations after, if this is your family. Doris Preston Simons dmsimons@juno.com OR Dorie18gen@aol.com P. S. I live only 2 hours away from where these ancestors settled. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

The following is titled "Personal Histories" and is from a page in the 1876 Historical Atlas of Defiance Co., Ohio: SAMUEL CARPENTER, son of Caleb, and Radia (Phelps) Carpenter of New York, was born in New York, October 28, 1804. He . . . (one line did not print) . . . 1838, died September 25, 1852; Jeremiah J., born June . . .; Lucretia, born March 30, 1842; Simon A., born February 10, 1 . . .; . . . H., born February 18, 1846; Anna N., born May 5, 1848; . . . born October 15, 1851; infant daughter, born April 3, 1854, . . .; Eunice, born January 30, 1956. Mr. Carpenter had four sons i . . . army, in the war of 1861-5. He settled in Defiance coun . . . . Post-office, Defiance. Business, farmer, section II. Apologies for the missing pieces -- I photocopied this page for another surname -- just happened to be going over this material when your message arrived. My own connection with Carpenters -- John and Eunice (Carpenter) Preston lived in Lenawee Co., MI. John was born in Vermont in 1775, and Eunice was born in Massachusetts in 1774. Both are buried in Lenawee Co., MI. I know their children and am willing to share, if this info. would help anyone. Does anyone know who Eunice's parents were? Doris (Preston) Simons dmsimons@juno.com On Sun, 2 May 1999 14:48:18 EDT LGroup2220@aol.com writes: >This has been a very difficult family line. I'll share what I know, >hoping >someone has more information. Sometime in this Carpenter's history >they >migrated from France to England. Three brothers - William, John and >Unknown >came to America - RI. John and William moved on to New York and >bought >land from the Holland Land Purchase (have no dates thus far except for >the >fact that one of John's sons was born in RI in 1774). John's children >were >Caleb, John, and Sophia (Caleb the one that was born in 1774). Caleb >married Rhoda Dyer (perhaps in l795) and had the following children: >John, Dyer (b 1799 in Batavia NY), Samuel, Daniel, Jeremiah, Nettie, >Anna and >Mary. Then Rhoda dies. Caleb marries a widow, Rebecca Olds probably >in Genesee County NY. The family moves to Ohio in the area of Huron, >Richmond, Seneca Counties. Caleb and Rebecca had three children: >Amasa Green, Charles and Rebecca J. I have names of all the children >of these people. Was hoping this little line would slip neatly into >one >of the established Carpenter families from RI or MA - but so far I >can't find a fit. Any help appreciated and will gladly share all my >information. PS: in some information I found, someone had put >the following migration pattern in their records: RI; VT; NY; OH > Penny from Nebraska > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Dear Robin, A curiosity question in regard to Rehoboth, MA. I became entangled in an over-abundance of gentlemen named "Noah Simons" in the vacinity of 1800. Since you are the first person I have heard to mention Rehoboth, MA, I thought I ask. (This has nothing to do with Carpenters, which are in my ancestry. The Rehoboth, MA, ancestry is my husband's Simons.) If you have any leads on researching Rehoboth, MA, at a distance, I would be grateful. Doris Simons dmsimons@juno.com On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:37:09 -0400 Robin Carpenter <ANALYTIX@valley.net> writes: > In early April there were a couple of exchanges about searches >for >Abraham Carpenters. I have info on three generations of Abrahams, >based on >research by the late Vernon Hood of Plainfield NH, courtesy of Kay >MacLeay: > > 1. Abraham C b.1739 Rehoboth MA, d.1797 Rutland Vt. Married >Elizabeth Bliss (1738-1832). He was the first settled minister in >Plainfield NH. Sons Abraham and Jesse (b. 1760 Rehoboth) > > 2. Abraham C (? - ?) Son of Abraham #1. Was the town "Pound >Keeper" of Plainfield, and a licensed taverner. His children were >born in >Plainfield; Amos (1792), Vicy (1795), Cyril (1797), Abraham (1799), >Hiram >(1801). > > 3. Abraham C (? - ?) Son of Jesse (1760). Born in Plainfield >NH, >prob sometime after 1802. > Hope this helps someone. > Robin C. > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Sue, What's the answer to the question? A strong young man (broke?) or a (settled and substantial?) old man? I've seen both in my family. One of the happiest and longest marriages was one in which the husband was within a year of the age of the bride's father. Heaven help her had she married him while he was trapping beaver and scouting for the Army! I can't help but think that financial security meant a lot to a woman with children to feed. Maybe Sean Connery is preferable to Sean Penn, d'ya think? :--) George PS My point, of course, is that we have to be careful in making assumptions about these things. ---------- > From: bishop5@ix.netcom.com > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Which Joseph married Judith Scott > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 2:10 PM > > > I am more and more of the opinion that she married Joseph Junior. Think about > it. Women were scarce on the frontier. She could have had her pick. She was > a young widow with small children. Which would most women choose in that > circumstances? A strong young man? Or an old man with a large nearly grown > family. The records do not show which Joseph she married. And Joseph Junior > DID have a daughter named Judith. Many families named daughters after their > mothers but would he really have named a daughter after his father's second > wife? > > Sue > > > "It was said she held a grudge until it died of old age, > and then had it stuffed and mounted...." > David Weber >

I have received notification of the sale of grave markers on Ebay from many people and I have a suggestion. Before we flood Ebay and everybody else with our ill will, let me remind you all from a law enforcement point of view, I am a police officer, that most of these grave markers were provided by the government to the deceased family and as the families could afford better headstones, many of the small metal markers were removed, and I imagine, stored in an attic, to later be sold in estate auctions, etc. Also, if a soldier was entombed in a mausoleum, or cremated, the markers were given to the family since they were never even used . Also many time as families became financially more secure, they replaced tombstones with better and more expensive markers. We definitely don't need to jump the gun and accuse people of stealing grave markers or being in possession of stolen property unless we can prove it. That in itself could very well land some of you in civil court with hefty attorney fees. The sale of these grave markers has never bothered me as much as authenticated relics that are advertised as coming from particular battlefields. This is done all the time and all those battlefields are National Memorials and how did they get anything from there? Please be very careful in accusing people of robbing graves and stealing markers. If these markers were obtained legitimately, they have every right to profit from them, no matter how morally wrong it may be. Please remind everyone on your list of these thoughts before they act in haste. Sincerely, Pam Mooney Ricks "If you are losing the game, change the rules." http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5606 DarkMedicine's "From Here To Eternity" Co Founder of http://www.badgirls.org and PROUD to be one of "The Notorious 14" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/5208 SuperSleuths on the Web http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1855 HotRods Trucks and 4x4's http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/4480 Once Upon A Time At Tricks' Place

Son of Reason and Rachel Portor Carpenter. Reason b.1820 Ohio Rachel b.1825 Del. Am searching for info on Robert who married Mary Ellen Morris(Scofield?) Parents buried in King Knob Cem. Ritchie Co. WV

Is Aussie James' real middle name, or could it be short for Osmer? George ---------- > From: Maragret Cass <cassm@voicenet.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: give away book > Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 10:39 PM > > Anyone interested in Franklin Monroe Carpenter, born July 25, 1858 in > Lawrence county, Alabama? His line: > Lycurgis A. Carpenter - Mary A. ferguson > Brnjamin Carpenter - Elizabeth Etheridge > Enoch Carpenter - Sally (Sarah) Evans > > I have a book on these southern Carpenters written by James Aussie Carpenter > that I do not need and would like to give to someone who has any of these > for ancestors. The book has lots of pictures and lots of the descendants of > Franklin M. Carpenter. No index. > > Margaret Cass > cassm@voicenet.com > >