----- >Dear John L., > >My best guess is that he is .... > > INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:22384 >---------------------------------------------------------- >Name:Elisha CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: > Birth:Abt 1745/1748 Place:Jericho,Queens,LI,NY > Chr:13 Feb 1748 Place:Oyster Bay,Queens,LI,NY > Marr: Spouse: > Marr: Spouse: > Marr: Spouse: > Death: Place: >Burial: Place: >Father:John CARPENTER-20079 Mother:Sarah IRELAND-20081 >Notes ----------------------------------------------------- >!He was willed "farm, with house, cattle, etc" by his father. >His father is number 67 in the Carpenter Family in America, 1901 book. >Pg. 72. > >!MISC: Is this the same person? >Subject: Elisha Carpenter family from Oyster Bay, NY. >Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:24:53 -0400. >From: "John in NH" <jcarp45@top.monad.net>. >Looking for info on Elisha Carpenter b. 2/13/1748 in Oyster Bay? NY and >his wife Mary Davis. Their son Steven Decatur Carpenter b. 9/8/1788 >married Jerusha Rose of Scoharie, NY. Any information would be most >appreciated, especially parents of Elisha and Mary. John L. Carpenter. > >What do you think? > >John R. Carpenter >La Mesa, CA > > >looks like a potental

Looking for James Madison Carpenter, b 1809 crossroads, alabama. Married Pernelia Cook Father was James Thomas Carpenter. Any info would be greatly appreciated. http://members.xoom.com/the_bakers/ Stacey Baker

Linda, Can you give me more info?? My Robert Carpenter was in Lawrence Co. Ar. by 1853, and came from Henderson Co. Tn. wife Matilda. Do you know anything of them?? Will exchange Thanks Glenda ---------- > From: Linda Mitchell <oomi1@webtv.net> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Robert Carpenter > Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 10:03 AM > > This is what I have : Robert Carpenter > son: Reason. His son: Robert; Robert's daughter, Nettie Irene Carpenter > b.1872, my grandmother. Is anyone else researching this line? Do you > have any info on the parents of the first Robert? > I have info on Robert (G gf) siblings. > Nettie Irene Carpenter's m. was Mary Ellen Schofield (some places have > her listed as Morris). Any info about Mary Ellen would be appreciated. > Linda M. > Sterling, VA > > http://homepages.go.com/~lin92/index.html > > ^O^~~ > c. > >

---------- > > Does anyone relate to the following Carpenter, Davenport article. I > have > added notes and the bible record is followed by some records as to how I > am > connected. Any Help would be greatly appreciated. > Glenda Brothers > gbrothers@syix.com > > THIS IS A BIBLE RECORD FOUND IN A PERIODIACAL OF SHARP CO ARK (USED TO > BE > LAWRENCE CO) > Submitted by Mrs. Helen Carpenter Davenport, P.O. box 10285, > Springfield, > Mo 65808. > The folowing is a transcription of all entries in a bible handed down > > from Robert Carpenter, A pioneer settler of Sharp Co, Ark. Number in > parentheses in right margin refer to numbered notes below.......... > First Page > A very large RC > Second page > Thomas M. CARPENTER b. 15 Jan 1831 (2) > Sarajain CARPENTER b. 19 Jan 1833 (3) > James Hardin CARPENTER b 6 March 1835 (4) > Rodise CARPENTER b. 15 Feb 1837 (5) > Edmon CARPENTER b.22 Jan 1839 (6) > Marthy Jain CARPENTER b. 9 Mar 1842 (7) > Mary CARPENTER b. 13 June 1844 (8) > Henry CARPENTER b. 27 Oct 1846 (9) > > Third Page > > Mary Jain DEVENPORT b. 21 April 1852 (10) > Stepen Robert b. Dec 9 1853 (11) > James Clayto SHIRLEY b.19 March 1862 (12) > > James Hardin CARPENTER Left Arkansas October the 6 > Went to Texas with (illegible) > Childress County Childress > October the 7 1870 > > NOTES: > > 1. The earliest record of Robert Carpenter found by this researcher is > in > the 1840 census for Henderson Co. Ten, where he appears as head of a > household consistant with the above bible record. He is also listed in > the > 1850 census in henderson Co. with his wife Matilda and all of the > children > appearing on the seconc page of the bible record. Only one book of land > > record survived the Sivil war days in Henderson co. it contains a > record > where Robert Carpenter sold 250 acres of land to Edmond Gawf; withnessed > > John a Criner and Elias Goff. This deed is dated 8 Oct 1851 and > recorded 8 > Jan 1856. Adjoining property owneres wer Stephen Hefley, Jackson Petty, > > Daniel Mayberry, EdmonGawfs, and James Long. I believe Robert Carpenter > ws > running a store at the time of the 1840 census as his occupation was > categorized as "trade or Manufacturing". Evidently he left Henderson > County after 1851 and before 1865. By the beginning of the Civil War > the > entire family had settled at Maxville in Lowrence (now Sharp )Co. Ark. > Where theyand many of their descendants remained. > > 2. Thomas M. Carpenter md Rebecca Clements by whome he had one son, > Francis > M. Carpenter b. July 1862. 1st Lt. Thomas M. Carpenter, 21 st ark > Infantry > died 19 June 1863. He had been amoung the wounded left at Corinth the > preceeding winter, was captured and imprisoned at Iuka, Miss. > > 3. On some record Sarah appears as Sarah A. It is not known what became > of > her. ( Glenda's Note: see note 10 and the following 1870 census where > Sarah > A ROBISON is listed with Mary and Robert in Sharp Co. Ark. I think they > > might be one and the same don't you Faith?) > > 4. James Harden Carpenter with wife Eliza are listed in Sharp County, > Ark. > in 1870. Then removed to Childress, Texas. > > 5. Rodise Carpenter married James DEAVENPORT. In 1860 they were living > in > Ash Flat, Arkansas, and James was teaching school. At that time they > had > a one year old son Charles H. Deavenport. Later children were Dani > Mary, > and James. Rodise was widowed by 1880 > > 6. Edmon Carpenter married Mary Debbie McCord Campbell, d/o Joseph m. > McCord of Maxville. Their children were Joseph Robert, Nancy M., > Isabell, > James F. Horatio, Clarenda A., Filmore, and perhaps others. Most of the > > Carpenters in the south part of Sharp County descend from this family. > > 7. Martha Jane probably md. a Shirley and is the mother of John Clayton > Shirley of the bible record. If so, she must have died soon after his > birth as he would not otherwise have been raised by his grandparents. > > 8. Mary Carpenter md. a Mr. Anderson from Poukeepsie, Arkansas. After > his > death she mad the home with her nephew Joseph Robert in Cave City where > she > lived for many years known affectionately as Aunt Mary. She buried as > Aunt > Mary in the cemetery at Maxville beside her brother Edmond. > > 9. The only known record of Henry Carpenter is in this bible and the > 1850 > census > > 10. This and the following two entries are evidently grandchildren who > Robert elected to enter in his bible. Other grandchildren are not > entered. > Mary Jane DEVENPROT May have been a daughter of Rodise (who would have > been 15 years, 2 mo old at the time of birth). Otherwise, she must be > the > daughter of Sarah which is entirely possible.( GLENDA'S NOTE: This is > what > I believe) > > 11. As this entry is immediately following Mary Jane DEVENPORT and at > the > time would have been on a page with on other entries, this researcher > concludes that the full name shoud be STEPEN ROBERT DEVENPORT. In any > event, no record of either child has been found outside of thei bible. > (GLENDA'S NOTE: With the exact same birthday also, I believe this is > our > Robert Stephen DAVENPORT) > > 12. All entries up to this point have ben in the same handwrithing, > evidently that of Robert Carpenter, and in the old-fasioned style know > as > "round". This entry is in the beautiful Spencerian style used by both > Thomas and Edmond Carpenter. James Clayton Shirley was raised by his > Carpenter grandparents. > > *********** > Lawrence Co. Ark > DEBENPORT, Sarah Ann to Joseph L. Robinson 8/8/1861 book c pg 120 > DAVENPORT, James C. to Rhodie CARPENTER 10/11/1857 book B p 239 > > > 1870 Sharp Co Ark Census > Piney Fork Twp > Sarah Roberson 36 TN > Mary 18 AR I believe Mary and Robert are > Davenports > Robert 16 AR > Tennessee 6 AR > Thomas 4 AR > > 1880 Scott Co. Ark > James Twp > #61 James Terry 53 b KY > Sallie 48 AR > and children plus > Frye, Sarah A. 48 Unknown listed as a Ward > , Mary 16 AR Niece I believe > these are Roberson's > , Thomas 14 AR Nephew > > 1900 Scott Co Ark > Lafayette twp > 4 June 1900 > 36/37 Davenport, Robert S. Dec 1853 Ark, Ten, Ten > with wife and children > > 80/81 ROBERTSON, Thomas F. April 1866 Ark Ten Ten > with wife and children and... > FRY, Sarah A b 1840, age 60, widow TN ? ? > > 1910 Scott Co Ark > Lafayette Twp > 26 April 1910 > 101 DAVENPORT, Robert S. 55 Ark Ten US > wife and children > > 40 ROBINSON, Tom F age 44 > with wife and Children > > 96 DEVANPORT, T.F. 30 > with wife and son and.... > FRY, Sarrah A (Boarder) 70 Widow 5 children b 4 living b. Tenn > > 99 BROTHERS , Jim 25 > Nellie 22 2 children b. 1 living (Robert > DAVENPORTS Daughter) > E.A. 2 b. Ark (This is Ervie Arastus > Brothers > Moss) > > 12 Oct 1920 Sarah A. FRY died > BURRIED Weeks Cemetery > FRY, Sarah Ann Robinson, d. ca 1918 > age of 100 years > Row V # 59 > > I didn't realize I had so much that fit..I believe that Sarah A. is the > Sarajain in the bible. What do you think?? > ---------- > > > ==== DAVENPORT Mailing List ==== > Visit our Genealogy Page at > http://users.intercomm.com/nvjack/davnport/davnport.htm > > >

I am resarching Jeremiah Carpenter, son of Timothy Carpenter of Pittstown NY, and his family. Jeremiah was born in Dutchess Co NY, fought in the Rev War, and lived in Albany Co (later Rennselaer) NY, Pompey in Onondaga Co NY, and died in rural Erie Co NY. His children and grandchildren were in Marilla, Alden and Wales Towns in Erie Co., Boone and McHenry Cos in Illinois; Walworth, Lafayette, Jackson, and Clark Cos in Wisconsin; Fillmore Co. in Minnesota; Howard Co in Iowa; and Codington Co, South Dakota -- to name a few. I have recently updated a text document on Jeremiah and his family, and would like to exchange info with any Carpenter researcher who is interested. John Laird Santa Cruz, CA

Important feedback came my way from Steve Chandler, who informs me that an all important secondary dictionary meaning of chaundeler is "a retailer of supplies and groceries: as, a ship chandler sells provisions for ships." Steve explains that, "It does seem that, more often than not, the word is especially used with regardst to ships and ship supplies." This information is crucial in light of the other information I have shared with you, putting Town Clerk's father right in the world of trade, ships and all this implies. How could I have been so dumb to miss it? Thanks Steve, Bruce E. Carpenter

> From: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Richard 'Chaundeler' > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:47:49 -0700 > I happened upon an additional reference > to Candlemaker Richard, a candidate for the > father of Town Clerk John. I have never seen > chapter and verse for the usual reference to > him. My reference to him is from the > Calandar of the Close Rolls (King Richard ll, > 1396-1399), p. 389. The date cited for the > quotation is July 19, 1398. It reads, > "To the sheriffs of London. Writ of "supersedeas" > and order by mainprise of ..... Richard > Carpenter 'chaundeler' to set free John Essex, > if taken at suit of William Vernegn for > tresspass." > What is striking in this court disposition is the date > 1399. The Town Clerk's father has an estimated > birth at about 1335, Which for the Middle Ages, > would make the Candlemaker a better candidate > for Town Clerk's grandfather. The main problem > I have with Richard is that there are two or three > others in London at the time more worthy of the honor. > More about them later. A secondary objection > to the Candlemaker is that, it strains my > credulity to imagine a candlemaker's son stepping > into an extremely influential position in the > finances of the crown and realm. This was not > how the Middle Ages worked. Power and influence > were a trade for other power and influence. The > Town Clerk must have had family wealth and backing, > because any public position would naturally be used > to further private interests. That is a given > for the Middle Ages. > Sincerely, > Bruce E. Carpenter The problem is with the word "chandler." While usually translated as "candlemaker", it more often was used to denote any retailer. The term could be used to describe a fishmonger with a pushcart, or someone with a contract to supply the whole English navy with provisions. --

I happened upon an additional reference to Candlemaker Richard, a candidate for the father of Town Clerk John. I have never seen chapter and verse for the usual reference to him. My reference to him is from the Calandar of the Close Rolls (King Richard ll, 1396-1399), p. 389. The date cited for the quotation is July 19, 1398. It reads, "To the sheriffs of London. Writ of "supersedeas" and order by mainprise of ..... Richard Carpenter 'chaundeler' to set free John Essex, if taken at suit of William Vernegn for tresspass." What is striking in this court disposition is the date 1399. The Town Clerk's father has an estimated birth at about 1335, Which for the Middle Ages, would make the Candlemaker a better candidate for Town Clerk's grandfather. The main problem I have with Richard is that there are two or three others in London at the time more worthy of the honor. More about them later. A secondary objection to the Candlemaker is that, it strains my credulity to imagine a candlemaker's son stepping into an extremely influential position in the finances of the crown and realm. This was not how the Middle Ages worked. Power and influence were a trade for other power and influence. The Town Clerk must have had family wealth and backing, because any public position would naturally be used to further private interests. That is a given for the Middle Ages. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

Hi, all. I have a George BRADFORD CARPENTER, b. 1842. He was a Rhode Island Legislator for 6 years. His father was, supposedly, Ebenezer Carpenter who died very young in 1847 while dismantling a burned out mill at Potter Hill, RI. His father was, supposedly also Ebenezer. There just has to be a connection. If anyone can fill in the blanks, I'm sure both of us will be very much appreciative!! Jan Robison Casselberry, FL

Does anyone know who the parents of Elizabeth Carpenter, born November 15, 1812 in Orange or Westchester County's, are? Thanks, Susan Cary Carpenter, Briggs, Davenport, Jones, Lamoreaux, Pitts, Ransom,Reynolds,Wickham

Hi all! Sorry it has taken me a month to respond to this posting! We are in the middle of travel baseball in our family and have two going in two different directions! What fun! I descend from another John Carpenter b. around 1823-1825 in OH. He is the son of George Carpenter who lived in Ashland County, OH prior to moving to Putnam county, OH and living with his daughter and son-in-law, Catherine and Azor Bunyan. Thank goodness for Azor's unusual name or I might have not ever found them and how they fit together!! George Carpenter married Rebecca Louise/Louisa Clows in 28 Mar 1816 Harrison County, OH. George and Rebecca's children are: John Carpenter b. 1823-1825 OH; married 1st Caroline Ferrell 29 Oct 1854 Putnam County, OH; married 2nd Sarah Jones 21 Sept 1876; died 19 Mar 1881 Catherine Francis Carpenter b. 23 Nov 1818, Ashland county, OH; married Azor Bunyan 24 Mar 1840 Wayne county, OH Susannah Carpenter b. abt 1830; married Joshua Huntsman Isaac Carpenter married Elizabeth Fisher and lived in Putnam County, OH Mary Carpenter b. 15 Apr 1816; married John Smith lived in Ashland County, OH Benjamin Carpenter b. 3 Jul 1821

Sorry, hit the wrong button! LOL Sarah Carpenter b. abt 1824 married William Greenlee Edward Carpenter b. abt 1827, married Mary Arnold and died 23 Mar 1871 Sophia Carpenter b. abt 1828, married 1st James A. Copeland, 2nd William S. Bunyan I did find some other notes on Azor and Catherine. Azor died 6 May 1874 in Bement, IL. Catherine went to live with son, Charles Sylvester Bunyan in Pond Creek, OK then for the last three years with daughter, Eunice Emma Bunyan Brown in Bement, IL where she died 3 Sept 1907 at age 88. I would be happy to exchange information and compare documentation. I had not seen the migration pattern from Harrison County to Richland County and Ashland County, OH. That is a rather unusual track. Betsy McGee Rice Riceys5@aol.com

Rehoboth Carpenters will remember the name of Thomas Banshott, the lad who was the family servant, who sailed with William father and son, Abigail and the children, in the Bevis in 1638.I always wondered what became of the fine boy. We owe him him a lot. Well, he thrived,his later descendants changing the family name to Bancroft. Many of them lived in Worcester Co. MA, and as a boy I noticed a Bancroft this and a Bancroft that in my town Auburn MA. The family produced George Bancroft, who in the early 1800s produced a history of America, that is considered a work of national importance still. One of 18th century descendants of Thomas, a Sabra Bancroft, married a Clark Cooley and produced my mother's family. Thus I descend from both servant and master. Thanks Tom. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

HELP!!!! I'm looking for a lost relative. Her name is Mary (could be Margaret) Carpenter who died @1836 we think in or near Norfolk Co. Canada. She was the wife of Jacob Shaw. We can't seem to find any information on this woman other than her name. Please if anyone can help, it would solve a BIG problem Thankyou Joanne oanne

---- >All colonial genealogists learn that Britain and its colonies changed >from the old style (Julian) calendar to the new style (Gregorian) >calendar on January 1, 1752. If you do colonial New York research, >however, you also have to know that in Holland this change occurred >170 years earlier, in 1582, and the Gregorian calendar therefore was >used in the Dutch colony of New Netherland. > >Under the old calendar in use prior to January 1, 1752 in Britain and >its colonies, the year began on March 25, and March was the first >month, February the twelfth. Dates in January, February, and the >first 24 days of March were often double-dated to indicate both the >past and incoming years. For example, what we would call February 24, >1714 would then have been February 24, 1713, but could also be written >February 24, 1713/14. It would also have been the 24th of the twelfth >month, not the second month. > >When the new calendar was adopted in 1752, eleven days had to be >dropped, and this was done by declaring that the day after September >2, 1752 was September 14, 1752. > >The colony of New Netherland which preceded New York operated >according to the laws and customs of the Netherlands province of >Holland, where the new calendar had been in use since Pope Gregory >introduced it in 1582. Therefore New Netherland records are dated as >we would date them today, with the year beginning January 1 and no >double-dating. > >After the English conquered New Netherland in 1664, and except for the >brief return of Dutch rule in 1673-74, the old (Julian) calendar was >used in official documents, but the Dutch often continued using the >Gregorian calendar in their church and family records. > >Some genealogists have tried to convert all old style dates to their >new equivalents, and published only the new forms, just like we say >George Washington was born February 22, 1732, when at the time he was >born the date was February 11, 1731/2. Unfortunately, too many >genealogists have interpreted the old dates incorrectly, forgetting >particularly that the months were not numbered as they are today. In >the case of colonial New York, they may have converted a date >correctly according to English rules, ignoring the fact that the >record was a Dutch one that did not require any conversion. > >It is recommended practice to show dates exactly as you find them in >the records, and not attempt to modernize them. If you find a date >between January 1 and March 24 where a double year is not indicated, >then which calendar is being used, and the actual year, can often be >determined by studying the source as a whole, and not just looking at >the single record of interest. > >For more helpful tips on New York research visit our website at >www.nygbs.org and click on the ONLINE RESOURCE CENTER link. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >

Flanders was not a country, but rather a "medieval principality" as the Brittanica puts it. In 862 Charlemagne appointed Baldwin l as the first count of Flanders. The area, which shrank and expanded over time, lasted until 1369. It became independant and had a life of its own. The early Baldwins encouaged the cloth industry which gave to the area a vibrant economy. A Fleming was not a member of an ethnic group, but rather the citizen of a multi-ethnic state, though French was the language of choice. The large group of Carpentiers in Flanders were probably Frankish or French in origins, although a Norman origin is also possible. In the later years of the areas history France wanted to control the area, and conflict erupted. England also wanted to rule France and certainly keep the Normandy area. England and Flanders, or Hainaut as it was called, allied themselves against the French. Alas, much that was once Flanders became France, as did the Duchy of Normandy itself. Deeply connected to all this was the wool trade. Wool was produced in England, shipped to Flanders where it was made into cloth, then subsequently exported it all through Europe. England literally subsisted on her wool exports and the Flemings lived on the products on the other end. Madly buying, selling, laughing and thriving in the midst of this was the curious and remarkable Carpenter,Charpenter, Carpentier, Charpentier family who appropriately chose the globe as their symbol. Bruce E. Carpenter

An additional search produced proof that Edward Carpenter was a foreigner, his name rendered Charpenter in a 1293 disposition. These Charpenters had long standing problems with French merchants, pointing to their Flemish origins. "May 8 to the sheriff of Dorcet and the coroners of that county. Order to supercede until otherwise ordered the placing in exigent to be outlawed of...........Robert son of Edward le Charpenter....... before Peter Malone and Robert de Wodetone, the king's justices, to hear and determine a tresspass committed by them upon James de Gwyenecurt and Andrew le Cunte, merchants of Amiens, as they are now staying on the sea with the barons of the Cinque Ports by reason of the contention that has there arisen." Previous I had written of a Edward le Charpenter with extensive lands and holdings in London and Middlesex in legal proceedings for 1289 to 1291 that indicate an individual of great wealth. Middlesex is where the powerful merchants lived at that time. I supect these individuals are the same. We shouldn't be put off by the seemingly lawlessness of these people. The entire period was one of lawlessness, the rich and powerful the worst offenders, especially when we factor in hostile international relations. Edward le Charpenter could very well have been taking back what had been taken from him. I think we have here an important Flemish Carpenter group with the wealth to be major players in England during the 1300s, wealth enough to lend to the crown and to place family members in crucial positions like the Town Clerkship of London. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

I am looking for information on Nathaniel Carpenter, my g.g. grand uncle. He was born in Ireland about 1750 and went to Virginia in the 1700's. The only further information we have regarding him is a letter from his nephew Tom Carpenter to my gg grandmother, Lady Anne Johnson (nee Carpenter) which states that Nathaniel had died and left his estate to Tom. Does anyone know of this Nathaniel? Thanks, Andrew

Hi Claudia >Does anyone have an English ancestry for Alexander CARPENTER, >of Wrington, Somerset, England and Leyden, Holland, father of >the Carpenter sisters who emigrated to New England? I am >descended from Priscilla and Juliana, and one of their sisters >married Gov. Bradford. > This is covered in quite some detail in Amos B CARPENTERs, Memorial book, which I understand is available in many American libraries and the LSD have film of it. The first chapter deals with the English ancestry and the 2nd in detail about the start of the American ancestry I was able to buy a facsimile edition of this book some 8 years ago There are some descendants of Rehoboth CARPENTERS living in Australia. Hence my interest Bye Marg M Beautiful Central coast of NSW Australia margm@enterprise.net.au Volunteer of Random Genealogical Kindness @ http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnraogk/index.htm

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