Dear Bruce, As a two-time descendant of the Carpenters, I have been following your messages with great interest. This latest is interesting in that you apparently have found mention of a different "Richard Carpenter". Can you provide me with the exact sources you have researched for this and other of your notices? Also, I would like to be able to quote you on my own Carpenter chart (I do not, and probably never shall have a Web Page). Do I have your permission to do so? I plan to bind copies of my books in the near future, and I do cite my sources! I am a family historian, and the Carpenter line is one of hundreds I have researched. Claudia Cridland .

According to An Encyclopedia of London, London, 1970, chaundelers and chandlers were the same and engaged in large part in candle manufacture. They were organized into a guild and made their wares around 1400 in Bishopsgate in London (an interesting fact in itself). There is no connection with gold. The goldsmiths were an entirely different trade with their own guild. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

Dear Bruce, Tis was an excellent brief! You are correct in stating that Richard Carpenter was a Chaundeler. This word comes from the French and denotes a trader or worker of gold. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:86 - --------------------------------------------- Name:Richard CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:4JG7-XG Birth:Abt 1335 Place:of London,Middlesex,England Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse:Christina-87 Death: 1395 Place: Burial: 1395 Place:St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England Father:John OR Jean CARPENTIER Le-85 Mother:(CARPENTER)-4677 Notes ---------------------------------------------- Richard & Christina Carpenter were buried at The CHURCH OF ST. MARTIN, Ooutwich Bishop Gate St., London, England. A Goldsmith (Chaundeler) by trade. Buried under a pew. He possessed wealth for his day. BOOK: "A GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE REHOBOTH BRANCH OF THE CARPENTER FAMILY." BY Amos Bugbee CARPENTER in 1898, aka "THE CARPENTER MEMORIAL." SEE also: "GENEALOGICAL & FAMILY HISTORY OF WESTERN NEW YORK." LEWIS 1912. PAGE 1252 & 1317. At least two sons per the above records. AF has a third son "RICHARD" listed. However this may be in error since a Robert Carpenter has a son named Richard in the same time period. Additional information supplied by Raymond George Carpenter, American Genealogist for the American Family. His sources referenced are: "English Genealogist Harry F. Rogers, Bunise's various 19th century works; "Life of Lord George Carpenter" printed 1736; Play fair's Family Antiquities; and the Davis and Owen Perrage; Will of the Town Clerk of London." SEE: "THE CITY OF LONDON SCHOOL" By A. E. Douglas-Smith, 2nd Edition, 1965, Oxford. The City of London School for the Poor was endowed by this Richard's younger son, named John or John the younger. On page 2 of the above, it lists that this "Richard was a chandler living in Billiter Lane in 1381. It also mentions on page 3, that a son named Robert Carpenter, "of whom nothing is known except that he had a son (named) Richard and two daughters (named) Joan and Katherine." This is known by John the younger's will. Other children may have been buried in the graveyard of the Church of St. Martin. The rolls of Parliment of the fifth Richard II, King of England, contains pardons where several Carpenters are noted being excepted from benefits. One is a Richard Carpenter of Billiter Lane in London. end notes. Does anyone have additional data about the John Le Charpentier who caused the death of Henry le Porte and was pardoned? About 1324 London? HISTORIC NOTE: King Edward the First ruled in England during this time and had expanded the meetings of leading nobles and church leaders to include Knights from the shires, other church leaders and represenatives from the towns. The first Model Parliament in 1295 set the pattern for future meetings and led to, in 1297, Edward agreeing that Parliment had the right to approve or disapprove taxes proposed by the King. John Carpenter became a member of the English Parliment in 1323, being the eldest son of Maurice in England. We can only suppose that Maurice Carpentier, by having his two eldest sons in the English and French goverments, did well financially. John, Maurice's son, was well educated and wealthy for their day as were his descendants. This indicates access to or in nobility. I'm glad to see your return to Carpenter Genealogy and insightful thoughts! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > After a brief vacation from Carpenter research I wish in this and subsequent > letters to solve the basic and all-important problem of who the Carpenters > were in 14th century England. It was this hundred-year period, that > culminated in Town Clerk John and his kinsman the Bishop of Worcester, that > established the family (clan), and allowed it to flourish in subsequent > centuries. In previous letters it was proven beyond doubt that the > Carpenters provided major financial backing to King Henry Vl and the > Lancastrian cause. It was also proven that the Carpenters possessed > impressive land and assets holdings. The problem remains unresolved as to > the generation prior to the above two great names in Carpenter history, in > particular as to Town Clerk John’s brothers Robert, John and their father > Richard, their origins and source of prosperity and wealth. > Town Clerk John’s father Richard presents us with an immediate problem with > the trade designation of ‘chandler that has been usually associated with > him. It has been suggested that this trade has a wider meaning than an > individual connected to candlemaking, a wider meaning extended to supplying > needed articles to ships. This explanation leaves me unsatisfied. I sense > that Richard Carpenter was much more a man of social standing and influence > than a ‘chandler’ could have been. I say this because important positions in > the London City government were associated with those with connections to > trade and specifically the export of wool. For example the Town Clerk’s > close friend, patron and predecessor John Whittyngton, was in charge of all > wool exports from England, in a merchant’s cartel called The Company of the > Merchants of the Staple. The > Merchants of the Staple had a monopoly over the export of wool which the > English crown, from export duties, lived on. The upper tiers of London city > government were entwined with the Merchants of the Staple. Well below the > wool merchants in wealth and social prestige were people formed into > ordinary guilds,or trade associations, like the cordwaners, drapers, vinters > chandlers and the like. (see Merchant Staplers in the Encyclopedia > Britannica) > There is another Richard Carpenter, other than ‘chandler’ Richard that seems > a more likely candidate. His name appears in a legal proceeding with several > individuals belonging to trade guilds. However Richard’s name is not > connected with any trade guild and he is designated as living in London’s > Fleetstreet, an area where other people who were extremely powerful socially > and financially lived. Richard I suspect belonged to the merchant’s guild. > There are additional references to a Richard who was a witness in court > proceedings indicating a powerful person living in proximity or somehow > connected to the court. This quote appears in the Close Rolls for Henry lV > in 1412. > > “Memorandum of a mainprise body for body, made in chancery in November this > year by John Bulloke ‘skynner’, > John Ledys ‘cordwaner’, both of London, Richard Carpenter of ‘Fleetsreet’, > John Apulton ‘taillour’, John Stone Barbour’, John Fynche ‘Chaundeler’, John > Parker ‘armorer’ and John Wolfhart ‘habirdasher’ to have Nicholas Passyn > ‘goldsmith’ there from day to day until the court is dismissed.” > > This quotation involves money that a goldsmith owed to the long > list of individuals. Goldsmiths were the bankers of their days. People with > cash assets turned their money over to the goldsmiths before it was turned > in deeded assets like land etc. All the above people belonged to trade > guilds with the exception of Richard Carpenter who was of a profession above > theirs and not designated, as was the custom in official documents. Richard > had money to turn over to a goldsmith, yet he was not a tradesman. The other > people in the document were probably not representing themselves, but rather > they were representing their guild or trade groups. In other words > John Parker ‘armorer’ had given armorer trade association money to Mr. > Passyn the goldsmith for his safe keeping. Likewise Richard Carpenter could > very well have been representing a group of people, or corporate interest, > in this legal proceeding. Later when I discuss the Town Clerk’s possible > brother Robert, I will shed more light on this. > > Sincerely, > Bruce E. Carpenter

Dear Bob, I'm sorry I have no matches. I checked the Carpenter Memorial (1898), Carpenter Family in America (1912), Col. Solomon Carpenter (1974), Mowrey's Southern Carpenters (1997), Timothy Carpenter (1976), Samuel Carpenter (1912) and the mammoth William Carpenter Descendants 1200 plus pages (1978). These plus the various updates and corrections I have gathered. I suggest going to a local family history center or genealogical center and gaining access to the 1910 U.S. Federal Census. Use the soundex to search for your Kenneth S. Carpenter. If you find him as a six year old child, it will list his parents and where they were born. Let me know how your search goes! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Bob Johnson wrote: > > Just starting to trace back my Carpenter line. My grandfather was > Kenneth S. Carpenter. He was born May 2, 1904 and died May 18, 1992 in > Dade County, Florida. Getting a birth certificate remotely from Florida > has turned into a challenge. > > He was married to my grand mother, Rose Marie Blehm. They had 2 > daughters - Doris Jean Carpenter (my mother) & Billie Rose Carpenter. > Their marriage ended in divorce. My mother and my Aunt Billie did not > know their father very well and are no help in this. > > He later married Margaret (Margo) Carpenter (Mar 1, 1914 - Sep 1985). > They had 3 children: > Margaret Carpenter (Margo) > Kenneth S. Carpenter (Buzzy) , Jr. > Patricia Carpenter (Patty) > Ken Jr & Patty were residing in the Miami, FL area but don't seem to > have listed phone numbers. > > I think he had relatives in New York & Michigan. Just not sure about > who or where. > > Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > --Bob Johnson > Englishtown, NJ

A side bar of the Carpenter CD Project is to correct the data in the LDS Ancestral File. As some people note that the notes have corrections to AFN numbers and often merges them with notes. Take Care, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA John L. Carpenter wrote: > > -----Thanks Sharron I will pass it on > > Hi John, > You can go to any Family History Center (LDS) and get a form to > fill out and send with the correct data to amend the AF. Anyone can and > does submit info to the AF and IGI. Most sub,issions are done by > dedicated researchers and check out. But there have been a number of > bogus genealogists since the 1800's that took money and cobbed together > genealogies for families. I, myself, ran into a problem with Carpenter > lines...no true genealogist could have made so many fauklty connections > or have such a mees up. One can understand not knowing all descendants > but that is not the same as several fathers, etc. Some people submit > what they think is correct after having paid a genealogist such as Anjou > or one of the other famous genealogist that did bogus work, to do their > fmily tree. I have heard he alone did beween 80-130 genealogies and > many are in books all over the US in libraries and LDS files and he > wasn't the only one. I hope you help in straightening out the > Carpenter line as it is the worst that I have seen when it comes to > descrepencies in AF. > Sharon > > Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

In my previous letter I tried to explain the nature of the Company of the Merchants of the Staple, an organization that held the exclusive rights to export wool from England. This merchant cartel existed from late 13th century. The Carpenters were charter members. This information I had published before, and I again do so here because of its extremely important bearing on the history of the Carpenter family (clan). In 1273 a John Carpenter was one of a select group of merchants given the exclusive rights to export wool from England. John’s non-English origins are betrayed by the French version of his name in the original document. The quotation is extremely brief, stating name and occupation. It is from the Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1272-128l.It is precisely dated May 12, 1273 under the heading “Licenses to Export Wool” and reads “Jean le Carpenter, merchant”.

After a brief vacation from Carpenter research I wish in this and subsequent letters to solve the basic and all-important problem of who the Carpenters were in 14th century England. It was this hundred-year period, that culminated in Town Clerk John and his kinsman the Bishop of Worcester, that established the family (clan), and allowed it to flourish in subsequent centuries. In previous letters it was proven beyond doubt that the Carpenters provided major financial backing to King Henry Vl and the Lancastrian cause. It was also proven that the Carpenters possessed impressive land and assets holdings. The problem remains unresolved as to the generation prior to the above two great names in Carpenter history, in particular as to Town Clerk John’s brothers Robert, John and their father Richard, their origins and source of prosperity and wealth. Town Clerk John’s father Richard presents us with an immediate problem with the trade designation of ‘chandler that has been usually associated with him. It has been suggested that this trade has a wider meaning than an individual connected to candlemaking, a wider meaning extended to supplying needed articles to ships. This explanation leaves me unsatisfied. I sense that Richard Carpenter was much more a man of social standing and influence than a ‘chandler’ could have been. I say this because important positions in the London City government were associated with those with connections to trade and specifically the export of wool. For example the Town Clerk’s close friend, patron and predecessor John Whittyngton, was in charge of all wool exports from England, in a merchant’s cartel called The Company of the Merchants of the Staple. The Merchants of the Staple had a monopoly over the export of wool which the English crown, from export duties, lived on. The upper tiers of London city government were entwined with the Merchants of the Staple. Well below the wool merchants in wealth and social prestige were people formed into ordinary guilds,or trade associations, like the cordwaners, drapers, vinters chandlers and the like. (see Merchant Staplers in the Encyclopedia Britannica) There is another Richard Carpenter, other than ‘chandler’ Richard that seems a more likely candidate. His name appears in a legal proceeding with several individuals belonging to trade guilds. However Richard’s name is not connected with any trade guild and he is designated as living in London’s Fleetstreet, an area where other people who were extremely powerful socially and financially lived. Richard I suspect belonged to the merchant’s guild. There are additional references to a Richard who was a witness in court proceedings indicating a powerful person living in proximity or somehow connected to the court. This quote appears in the Close Rolls for Henry lV in 1412. “Memorandum of a mainprise body for body, made in chancery in November this year by John Bulloke ‘skynner’, John Ledys ‘cordwaner’, both of London, Richard Carpenter of ‘Fleetsreet’, John Apulton ‘taillour’, John Stone Barbour’, John Fynche ‘Chaundeler’, John Parker ‘armorer’ and John Wolfhart ‘habirdasher’ to have Nicholas Passyn ‘goldsmith’ there from day to day until the court is dismissed.” This quotation involves money that a goldsmith owed to the long list of individuals. Goldsmiths were the bankers of their days. People with cash assets turned their money over to the goldsmiths before it was turned in deeded assets like land etc. All the above people belonged to trade guilds with the exception of Richard Carpenter who was of a profession above theirs and not designated, as was the custom in official documents. Richard had money to turn over to a goldsmith, yet he was not a tradesman. The other people in the document were probably not representing themselves, but rather they were representing their guild or trade groups. In other words John Parker ‘armorer’ had given armorer trade association money to Mr. Passyn the goldsmith for his safe keeping. Likewise Richard Carpenter could very well have been representing a group of people, or corporate interest, in this legal proceeding. Later when I discuss the Town Clerk’s possible brother Robert, I will shed more light on this. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

-----Thanks Sharron I will pass it on Hi John, You can go to any Family History Center (LDS) and get a form to fill out and send with the correct data to amend the AF. Anyone can and does submit info to the AF and IGI. Most sub,issions are done by dedicated researchers and check out. But there have been a number of bogus genealogists since the 1800's that took money and cobbed together genealogies for families. I, myself, ran into a problem with Carpenter lines...no true genealogist could have made so many fauklty connections or have such a mees up. One can understand not knowing all descendants but that is not the same as several fathers, etc. Some people submit what they think is correct after having paid a genealogist such as Anjou or one of the other famous genealogist that did bogus work, to do their fmily tree. I have heard he alone did beween 80-130 genealogies and many are in books all over the US in libraries and LDS files and he wasn't the only one. I hope you help in straightening out the Carpenter line as it is the worst that I have seen when it comes to descrepencies in AF. Sharon Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

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Looking for information on origins of William (1789-aft 1850) and Susan Carpenter (1793-aft 1850) who settled in Franklin Co., IN about 1814. Census data show both William and Susan were born in PA. Known children were: Deborah Ann 1821, Sarah 1831, William Jr.1832, Oliver 1833, and Dewitt 1838. Name pattern suggests this Carpenter family may be descended from Carpenters of Rehoboth, MA.

Just starting to trace back my Carpenter line. My grandfather was Kenneth S. Carpenter. He was born May 2, 1904 and died May 18, 1992 in Dade County, Florida. Getting a birth certificate remotely from Florida has turned into a challenge. He was married to my grand mother, Rose Marie Blehm. They had 2 daughters - Doris Jean Carpenter (my mother) & Billie Rose Carpenter. Their marriage ended in divorce. My mother and my Aunt Billie did not know their father very well and are no help in this. He later married Margaret (Margo) Carpenter (Mar 1, 1914 - Sep 1985). They had 3 children: Margaret Carpenter (Margo) Kenneth S. Carpenter (Buzzy) , Jr. Patricia Carpenter (Patty) Ken Jr & Patty were residing in the Miami, FL area but don't seem to have listed phone numbers. I think he had relatives in New York & Michigan. Just not sure about who or where. Does this ring a bell with anyone? --Bob Johnson Englishtown, NJ

Looks like you and my wife are cousins. Here is some more info that I have. This is her line to Elisha Decantor Carpenter. John Watson Carpenter B)12 Feb 1881 Gravity, Taylor, Iowa D)25 may 1954 Sacramento, Ca Mabel Parmalee McDermott B)13 Aug 1881 Yutan, Saunders, Neb D)1 Apr 1978 Sacramento, Ca - --------------------------------------------------- Emerson Demott Carpenter B)19 May 1910 Mitchell, Neb D)13 Aug 1955 Sacramento, Ca M)1933 Denver, Co Zelma Doris Loomis B)6 May 1912 Denver, Co D) Mar 1985 Ukiah, Ca - -------------------------------------------------- Robert Harvey Doak Jr B)27 Feb 1933 Redding, Ca M)1 Nov 1953 N. Sacramento, Ca Evelyn Gail Carpenter B)12 Jan 1935 Denver, Co - ------------------------------------------------ My Wife) Linda Sue Doak Jay & Linda, E-Mail: jthill@inreach.com HomePage: Footsteps of a Carpenter http://home.inreach.com/jthill ----- Original Message ----- From: soupie <soupie@writeme.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:19 AM Subject: Looking for Carpenter Connection > Looking for Carpenter Connection > > I have the following information > > I have my gg grandfather is: > Elisha or Elijah Carpenter b. may 16 1827 (in ny probably possibly in pa.)d. march > 26 1901 in Washington town,Taylor,Iowa > > Married to Eveageline Tucker b. January 27,1854(Indiana) d.November 27,1930 > > They had the following Children: > > Benjamin b.1872 in Illinois d 1893? > Lornezo Dow b.may 7 1873 in Illinois d.fed.27 1929 > Lucy Ann b. 17 feb 1877 in Iowa d. sept 27 1938 married John Garrett > E.Almara b. aug 1878 in Iowa > John Watson b. Feb 1881 in Iowa married Mable McDermott or McDermitt > C.Lizzie b. apr 1884 in Iowa > Harry b. June 1886 in Iowa > > If you have any additional information it would be appriciated.

Looking for Carpenter Connection I have the following information I have my gg grandfather is: Elisha or Elijah Carpenter b. may 16 1827 (in ny probably possibly in pa.)d. march 26 1901 in Washington town,Taylor,Iowa Married to Eveageline Tucker b. January 27,1854(Indiana) d.November 27,1930 They had the following Children: Benjamin b.1872 in Illinois d 1893? Lornezo Dow b.may 7 1873 in Illinois d.fed.27 1929 Lucy Ann b. 17 feb 1877 in Iowa d. sept 27 1938 married John Garrett E.Almara b. aug 1878 in Iowa John Watson b. Feb 1881 in Iowa married Mable McDermott or McDermitt C.Lizzie b. apr 1884 in Iowa Harry b. June 1886 in Iowa If you have any additional information it would be appriciated. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

From: Deane Coats P. O. Box 277268 Sacramento, CA 95827-7268 dcoats@jps.net I am looking fo information on James William CARPENTER born 24 Aug 1834, died 30 Jan 1909. His obituary stated that he was born on the Isle of Sheppy, Kent County, England. None of this can/has been varified. The first documentation on him is his Naturalization in Yuba City, Sutter County, California 14 Aug 1869. 1869.=20

On 07/05/99 13:26:10 you wrote: >Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:20:03 EDT >From: EcoManToo@aol.com >To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Resina Carpenter > >Penny, Richard & John in NH > >There was a period of time, 10-20 years ago when I was in a work situation >which was very favorable to accomplishing genealogical research. During >those years I did considerable research in West Virginia, including in >Nicholas County where the deed records contain the information establishing >that Resina was the daughter of Jeremiah of Elk Creek. Now I'm working for >Chicago Title and managing an office here in Champaign, IL, and have precious >little time for genealogy. I did get a chance over this holiday weekend to >dig out some of my records, and so, here goes. > >Jeremiah Carpenter settled in Elk Creek in what at the time of his settlement >was Randolph County. Later, by the time of his death, that area was in >Nicholas County, and now, in Braxton County. He acquired a vast number of >real estate parcels during his life, and after his death, his children >disposed of at least some of it by deeds recorded in Nicholas County, as I >said above. These deeds, some of which I've seen, uniformly recite that >Jeremiah had 12 children. > >One such deed, found in Deed Book 7, at page 35, was from Amos Carpenter and >Joseph Carpenter, dated 29 February 1856, conveying their interest in >particular land, plus the "interest of Resina Gilpin, formerly Resina >Carpenter, another of the children of Jeremiah Carpenter, dec'd, said >interest having been conveyed by Resina Carpenter and husband to Joseph >Carpenter by deed recorded in Braxton Co." I believe this establishes >without a doubt that Resina was a daughter of Jeremiah! > >While I have copies of some of the deeds from the children in Nicholas >County, I do not have them all, and I have not researched in Braxton County. >This is a project I would love to take on, establishing from these deeds the >exact identity of Jeremiah's children. > >My connection with this family is this: My great-great-great grandfather, >James Schoolcraft, married Mary Carpenter in Harrison County, (W)Va in 1795. >Some researchers have said she is a daugher of Jeremiah, but if so, so would >have to have been born of a prior marriage. It is also possible she was a >sister of Jeremiah. In any event, James Schoolcraft is listed on the >Randolph County personal property tax lists next to Jeremiah after 1795, and >they named their first son, Jeremiah. > >The Carpenter, Bickle, Schoolcraft, Forrest, and McGlaughlen families appear >together on the Randolph County tax lists and then later in Ohio, except for >my ancestor who may have gone to Kentucky about 1803. Amos Carpenter and >Jacob Bickle appear there through 1805. John Forest and John McLauglin >appear with Jeremiah on the lists in 1806. > >In 1812 Amos Carpenter, John Forest and James Forest appear on a tax list in >Rutland Twp, Gallia County, Ohio. In 1818, the tax list for the same >township includes Jacob Bickle, Amos Carpenter, James Forest, and John >McGlaughlen. Although I don't have the census copies, my notes indicate that >the 1820 census of Ohio includes Amos Carpenter and James Forest in Rutland >Twp, and John Forest, in Scipio Twp, all in Meigs County > >My conclusion is that Amos Carpenter, who very probably was a brother of >Jeremiah of Elk River, moved to Ohio from Elk River in the period 1806-1808, >along with John Forest who had married a daugher of Jeremiah, Jacob Bickle, >who was Amos's brother-in-law from his first marriage, and some of the >McGlaughlins, Amos's in-laws from his marriage to Margaret. Very possible >Jeremiah bankrolled the entire venture to Ohio. > >John Forest's estate appears in Meigs County, Ohio, and Resina Forrest and >Samuel Downing were appointed administrators on 8 April 1830. Jacob Bickle >was one of the sureties on the Administrators' Bond. By 9 August 1831, as >evidenced by court documents, Resina's surname had changed to Cooper. > >My connection with this family, as I mentioned above is with Mary Carpenter, >and I would like to know any information you may have about her. >Interestingly, James Schoolcraft must have had some falling out with the >Carpenter/Forest families, for according to a legal notice in the Scioto >Gazette on 26 September 1810, an attachment issued against the property of >James Schoolcraft in a suit brought by Jeremiah Carpenter for the use of John >Forest. > >The marriage of John Forest in 1806 in Randolph to a Carpenter girl, is >interesting. At one time I saw the original record, and thought I had made a >copy of it. For some reason I can't now find it. The name of this girl >appeared to me to be Lydia, not Lyhua, and she is said to be a daughter of >Jere (Carpenter). We know from the deeds that Resina was the daughter of >Jeremiah, and that she was the widow of John Forest. At least I believe we >know she is his widow. Therefore Resina's "formal" name may have been Lydia, >or it's possible he married Lydia and Resina, both being daughters of >Jeremiah. My guess is, based on the timing of the marriage, that Resina is >one and the same person as Lydia. > >The deeds after Jeremiah's death may hold the key. > >Hope this helps. I'd be very happy to correspond further on this family!! >Have a happy holiday weekend!! Dennis Rodgers > Dear Dennis. I'm descended from Mary CARPENTER, the daughter of Joseph CARPENTER Jr. who married Robert VIERS/VOIRS/VOIERS in Botetourt Co., Va in 1784. There is a mention of Robert VIERS representing a Jeremiah CARPENTER in court in the 1790s, also some CARPENTERs moved into the same area in Ky where Robert bought land (Lewis/Mason Co. KY) Do you possibly have any info on which Jeremiah this is? Have you run across any VIERS (spelling is very volatile on this name) information in your research on Jeremiah? I have no information on Robert VIERS before his Rev. War service in 1782 in Botetourt. Sue

----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Carpenter To: EcoManToo@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 5:19 PM Subject: Carpenter family Hi Dennis In Marriage Records of Harrison County, VA, 1784-1850 By Earle H Morris, Ft. Wayne Public Library 1966, I find the following: Marriages by J. W. Loofbourow Judith Carpenter to John Ratcliff Nov. 6, 1789 Margaret Carpenter to John Brown May 4, 1791 Father Nicholas Carpenter John Carpenter to Sarah Bush Oct. 26, 1791 Nicholas Carpenter to Mary Carpenter, widow, Sept 3, 1792 Mary Carpenter to Thomas Cooley Nov 20, 1792 Barbara Carpenter to Abel Clemens June 19, 1794 her mother was Mary Mary Carpenter to James Schoolcraft Oct. 26, 1795 Marriages by Joseph Cheuvrant Sudney Carpenter to Samuel Tanner Nov 28, 1791 Barbary Carpenter to James Maxon Dec 9, 1791 her father Christopher John Carpenter to Sarah Radcliff Mar 3, 1795 Since these marriages by Loofbourow were obviously all done in the same area. I then put all of these Carpenters together as close relatives. I find Nicholas Carpenter in Monongalia County in 1782 and in Harrison Cty(formed in 1784 from Monongalia) in 1785 along with Christopher Carpenter, a son. In 1810, Christopher has moved to Wood County, and David, another son, is listed in Harrison Cty. Jeremiah Carpenter is said to have had a brother Amos and a son Amos. There may be other Amos's in the area, as it appears that there are too many wives for one man! Jeremiah Carpenter is listed on a treasury warrant dated June 18, 1782 on the Elk River. In these same marriage records, daughters of Nicholas Carpenter are Margaret, Jane, and Sarah. In VA Court Records in S W PA, 1775-1780, are listed John Carpenter, Christopher Carpenter, William Carpenter. I find none of these listed in Augusta Land Grant Surveys 1761-1791. A John Carpenter is listed in Ohio County in 1787. I have corresponded with several Harrison County searchers and we have concluded that the Carpenters in Harrison County were not closely related to Jeremiah Carpenter of the VA Carpenters. I hope you can shed some light on this discussion. Have you visited the Newberry Library in Chicago? I was there once very briefly and didn't have time to do much searching, although it appeared that they had some good records. I never made it to Ft. Wayne either. Perhaps you may get a chance to in the near future. Good luck in your endeavors. Richard L. Carpenter ck in your endeavors. Richard L. Carpenter =20

--part1_4589696b.24b2915c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_4589696b.24b2915c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Gardnetree@aol.com From: Gardnetree@aol.com Full-name: Gardnetree Message-ID: <4589696b.24b0e932@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:43:30 EDT Subject: Samuel Carpenter Born in NY. Move to Ohio and Jennings Co. Indiana To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 Looking for information on Samuel Carpenter born 1807 New York move to Ohio after 1800 Married Jane Donald in 12 Oct 1831 in Jennings County, Indiana Had 2 Brother David S. Carpenter born 1795 And Rufus Carpenter born 1811 Live in Jennings County, Indiana County 1831 Children Was Hezkiah Carpenter Born 25 Aug. 1832 Joseph Carpenter Born 1833 Samuel Carpenter born 1834 John Carpenter 16 June 1836 Peter Carpenter 1839 Robert T. Carpenter 30 March 1840 Who was the parents of Samuel, David, Rufus or any other information on this family be happy to share information James R. Gardner --part1_4589696b.24b2915c_boundary--

Hello all, I have read with interest the Roade Island to MS discussion of Capenters. I have documentation of Jonathan and wife Margaret (Cash ?) Carpenter in Copiah County, MS on 23 March 1832. On that date they signed for an underaged daughter Temperance Carpenter to marry E. P. "Presley" Rucker. I will gladly mail photocopy of this court docuement IF someone can provide more data about my great-great grandparents Jonathan & Margaret (Cash ?) Carpenter. Any help would be appreciated. BTW the Carroll County Mississippi Carpenters are reportedly well researched/documented. I grew up in Montgomery Co, MS (adjacent to Carroll County MS) and knew of the large extended family. Reportedly, it was headed by a Carrollton lady Sarah Carpenter for many years. A well known Carrollton research is Better Wilshire who has published a history of that county. Terri Austin McCullough mcfamily@cei.net

I received this email, and I thought that perhaps someone had heard of these Carpenters. They were in Drew Co., AR in late l800's and early l900's.BETH THURMan >From: "John Haisty" <jhaisty@tcac.com> >You have Carpenter in your surnames. How are you tied to the Carpenters? >Are you related to Avery Byron Carpenter who married Samantha Louisa Harvey? >Two of their girls married two of Pop's brothers. Nora Carpenter married >Carroll and Sallie Carpenter married Jesse New Year. One question that we >can't solve is: where is Sallie Carpenter Haisty buried? She died when >their daughter Vera was 18 months old. On Jesse's family sheets, his >granddaughters put down that she is buried in Paradise Cemetery in >LOUISIANA. Well, Jesse did move to LA, but just what year I don't know. >Bern believes that she is buried in Paradise Cemetery in Drew Co. There are >lots of Carpenters there. Maybe her stone has disappeared. Jesse and his >second wife Kitty Williamson are buried at Mt. Olive. Maybe you can tell me >more about the Carpenters. If you have seen a picture of Avery Byron and >Samantha Louisa, could you identify them? Essie, granddaughter of Jesse >sent me a laser copy of a picture that Vera had with no identification on >it. Essie and her sisters have no idea who the people are. Stan and I >believe that it is the Phillips family - Chesley and Rhoda and their family. >I have talked with several in the same Carpenter family - Lolita Sedberry >Price, for instance. Her mother was Vienna (Vianne) Carpenter Sedberry who >lived down the street from Mom and Pop at Crossett. Lolita said that they >weren't around Vianne's sister's families much. She doesn't recognize >anyone in the picture. A given is that one of the men is a Haisty. Either >John Wesley or his son Jesse. Stan and I believe it to be J. W. and his >wife Martha Mahala "Halie" Phillips. If you can help me find someone who >might recognize any of that Carpenter family, I would appreciate it. >Carolyn If anyone recognizes these names, I'd like to hear. BETH THURMAN terrilee@ipa.net