I have an old newspaper from Detroit, MI dated 1873 with some really wicked editorials about Matt Carpenter. Who was he? I am related to two Carpenter lines, and I am curious if this newspaper was saved for over 100 years because he was a relative. Does anyone know if there is any online information about him? Jan Gumpysfarm@aol.com

Being Carpenters in the Midwest are being discussed, I thought I would ask again if anyone knows who Bemsley or Hemsley Carpenter - died Feb 22, 1853 at 77 years, and Olive, his wife who died March 30, 1850 at 64 years. Both are buried in the Madison Center Cemetery, Madison, Ohio. Also, where does Thomas Carpenter belong?....He died Aug 17, 1851 at 25 years of age. He is buried at the Madison Township Cemetery in Madison, Ohio. His wife was Almeda Maria Genung who was born at Penn Yan, NY. They were members of the Baptist Church. They had children Alice M. b. 1849 d. 1901, and Henry T. Carpenter/der who lived later near Dubuque, Iowa. Is Thomas the child of the first couple listed above? The SECOND Carpenter/der in my line (may or may not be related to the above family) is Charles Carpenter born about 1785 and died in 1854. He married Sally Lewis who was born in 1797 in NY. They had children Minerva Carpenter (b. 1823 in NY), Eliza Carpenter, Destamonia D. Carpenter (b. 1828), Mary Carpenter (b. 1831, Sarah Carpenter (b. 1834), David H. Carpenter (b. 1836), there were probably others.. Some of this family later lived in Superior Township, Washtenaw Co. MI. I know this is very vague, but does anything above click with ANYONE? Jan gumpysfarm@aol.com

The traditional history of the Carpenter family from a John Carpenter who served in parliament for Leskard in Cornwall in the year 1323 began with Amos Bugsbee Carpenter in the late 1800s. In the late 1800s English historical records were still in manuscript and impossible to access. The script they were written in was difficult to read. They were unindexed etc., etc. The 1323 John Carpenter was just a named fished out the pile. Now the great number of documents unavailable to Amos Carpenter are now fully accessible to us, and while respecting the efforts of Amos Carpenter, we can gain a much clearer understanding of 14th century Carpenter history. Previous I had shown that Town Clerk John’s family was too powerful economically to have come from a candle-maker’s family. There must have been another, and a richer, Richard Carpenter in London. I discovered another Richard in the prosperous neighborhood of Fleetstreet. This Richard naturally had no trade associated with his name. Likewise I found a Robert Carpenter in nearby Surrey, on the Thames River, with a suspicious proximity to ships and trade. This Robert was a ‘clerk’ like the Town Clerk John himself. Clearly there was a Carpenter family of wealth and influence existing in and around London in the later half of the 14th century. What about the early 14th century? In the early 14th century documents I discovered two quite remarkable Carpenter groups. One was centered about a Sir John Carpenter, a knight. Sir John had extensive land holdings, and most of the documents I discovered relating to him were will-related, after his demise. The exact residence of Sir John was never revealed, although it was clear he had good property in Berks, Herts and probably Oxfordshire and Wilts. He probably lived in all those places. It is very tempting to equate this Sir John with the traditional Leskard, Cornwall John. They are exactly contemporaneous. The problem with with a Leskard, Cornwall John Carpenter as a progenitor of the London Carpenters, was that Cornwall was so far from London, literally the sticks. Who was this Cornwall Sir John Carpenter? I could find no reference to him, while I found many references to a Sir John Carpenter with land next to London. In addition this newly discovered John had no son Richard at the time of his death, which was before and around 1339. Perhaps the two Johns were identical and a son Richard died well before his father. Later researchers appointed him as father of Town Clerk John. It is certain from the documents that Sir John Carpenter had no male heirs at the time of his death, all his worldly holdings passing to related women or his brother. Could there have been two Sir John Carpenters in parliament in the early 1300s? Doubtful I think. Can anyone find a real reference to a Sir John Carpenter with a son Richard, a reference that is not just hearsay or IGI mythology? If not, let us be rid of this venerable, but quite annoying myth. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

Hello to the list, It has been some time since I have posted what little data I have on my CARPENTER/UNDERWOOD ancestors. Maybe there are some new subscribers that might recognize these people? I would like to exchange data. Cyrus Carpenter b. abt 1810 in Pennsylvania? sp. Sarah Underwood b. abt 1810 in " children: Camilla b. 28 Jan 1833 in Ohio m. John B. Decker 29 Apr 1855 Ella b. 1834 " Sarah b. 1836 " m. Frederich Stouffer? Loun b. 1838 " M? b. 1842 " Ruth b. 1844 " John b. 1847 " Ethan Allen b.28 Nov 1848 " m. Hannah Elizabeth Scott W. J. b. 1851 " Sincerely, Jackie Decker, Westminster, California

Hello Carpenter List People; I am hopeful that some one out there may have some information that I seek. I am looking for information on Rufus CARPENTER, from what little I have on him is this Rufus Carpenter married Betsy ( Elizabeth) b 1776 d. July 5 1855 One child that I know off Lavina Carpenter b. 11/24/1814 who married a Jacob or Moses Snyder. Some of the family has Lavina marring Jacob but all I have found is Moses married to Lavina 31 Oct 1841 .They had children showing in the 1850 census ,Macomb ,Macomb County , Michigan . Other then that nothing . Hope that some one can help !! Thanks Steve Fifield sfifield@sisna.com

Does anyone have information on Samuel and Nancy Carpenter from Mecklenburg County, VA around the period 1800 to 1820. I have found a record of their son's marriage 1864 in Mercer County,WV. The marriage license referred to his place of birth as Mecklenburg County and parents as Samuel and Nancy. Any help would be appreciated. Jeff Thornton Milton,WV Milton,WV

Thanks for all of the help. I believe the consensus is the the person filling out the death certificate on my grandfather, Kenneth Carpenter, did not know how to spell Evart, Michigan. I'll be heading that way soon to check out for a birth certificate. The truth will tell then. --Bob Johnson

In a message dated 7/23/99 12:03:50 PM Central Daylight Time, jrcrin001@home.com writes: > I encourage everyone to submit a piece of the puzzle from any source you > find (don't forget to cite). Feel free to ask questions. Many > clarifications and errors have been corrected this way. > My only (possible) connection to the Carpenter line is Susanna CHARPENTIER, who married Claude SIMON, both probably of Alcase. Is there a way for you to determine if my Susanna fits in with all the CARPENTERS you seem to have? Details are at <A HREF="http://www2.crosswinds.net/~rvautrin/html-Watring/fam01602.htm">Claude SIMON/Susanna CHARPENTIER</A> . Thanks...Rich Watring, Wheaton IL.

Sho' nuff! I have Mathias Zimmerman/CARPENTER b 1750 PA d 1835 Ashe m. Elizabeth MILLER to his son, Jacob b 1778 and his grandson, David W. b 1806 who married 2nd Mira GRAGG. Their son, Ervin b. about 1843 Yancey Cty was last heard of in the 1860 census. He did not go to Graham/Cherokee Cty with the rest of his family. He did, however, have a daughter named Betty Jane who is my husband's Ggrandmother. I have been unable to determine who Ervin married or where he went but it must not have been far. Betty Jane and her son, Mack Leonard Carpenter were definitely in Western NC. I would also like to determine the parentage of Mathis Zimmerman and where he came from in PA. He was German without a doubt. Audrey Franklin John Comer wrote: > Hi to all you Carpenter genealogists out there, > I have been watching with much interest all the posts that are coming > through, very interesting but I haven't seen anything on any NC > Carpenters. > Are there any researchers out there researching this area? > > Thanks, Joyce Comer

Hi to all. I'm new to the list and I hope someone out there can help me with my Carpenter line.I't starts with Fielding Carpenter b.ABT.1778 Surry Co..... NC. d. Apr. 25 1853 Breathitt Co. KY. He married Delpha Ward b. ABT. 1777 in SC. She died in Magoffin Co. KY. Sources: Census records, Cemetery records, And my grandmother. Does any one know anything about this line? Who were the parents of Fielding and Delpha Ward Carpenter? Who were there siblings, who were there children? I was told by my grandmother that she descended from William Carpenter b.ABT. 1804 married Sarah Howard. William was the son of Fielding and Delpha. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? Thank you all for this very informative list. Lucy

Hi to all you Carpenter genealogists out there, I have been watching with much interest all the posts that are coming through, very interesting but I haven't seen anything on any NC Carpenters. Are there any researchers out there researching this area? Thanks, Joyce Comer

I've just added the following marriage to my online database: CARPENTER Moses, 24, whellwright, born: Chelmsford MA, son of Timothy and Olive Married 4 Nov 1850 in Lowell MA to ADAMS Jane, 18, born: Canada, daughter of David and Ann Doreen Fox http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/massmarriages/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dennis, Sorry about the lag time in replying -- I was up in Denton Tex. at a church camp with my son all week. This is great news! I don't have any other leads -- I have not found full abstracts of the deeds of that area available here in Texas or other places I've looked, so your expedition will surely produce some new information. You already have more information on this branch than I've seen anywhere else, so you are the best person to do this. I'm looking forward to any finds you make. Terry EcoManToo@aol.com wrote: > > Terry, Penny, Richard and others > > I've decided to attend the annual Gathering of the Hackers Creek Pioneer > Descendants in West Virginia in August. It's been several years since my > last visit in WV. I'm planning to spend one day (or more if necessary) in > the courthouses in Sutton (Braxton County) and Summersville (Nicholas County) > researching the deeds from the family of Jeremiah after his death and > supplementing the ones I already have. If any of you has any leads on > recorded deeds in either county (other than the one you've already shared > with me, Terry) , let me know. Also, let me know if any of you has any > additional ideas regarding the identity of his children. I'll see what I can > find! Dennis

After weeks (seemed like months) of calls, I finally go a copy of my grandfathers death certificate. The state of Florida seems to be centralizing death & birth certificates. But only after (I believe it was) 1995. Any thing before that go to the county. Dade county is in the middle of moving its records. This all lead to lots in misdirection. Seems that my grandfather, Kenneth, was born in Everett, Michigan. Everett doesn't show up on mapquest. Does anyone know where it is? Also, does anyone recognize this family? --Bob Johnson 1 Charles J. Carpenter .. +Irene Davis .........2 Kenneth S. Carpenter b: May 2, 1904 in Everett, Michigan d: May 18, 1992 in Maimi, Dade County, Florida ............. +Rose Marie Blehm b: Jun 28, 1907 in Lawrence, Kansas d: Aug 4, 1975 in Saginaw, Saginaw County, Michigan .................... 3 Billie Rose Carpenter ........................ +Ecil Mindard ....................3 Doris Jean Carpenter ........................+William Lewis Johnson ......... *2nd Wife of Kenneth S. Carpenter: ............. +Margaret Carpenter b: Mar 1, 1914 d: Sep 1985 in Dade County, Florida ....................3 Margeret Carpenter ....................3 Kenneth S. Carpenter, Jr. ....................3 Patricia Carpenter

Hi all, I am not having any luck finding a "positive" link a few generations back in my CARPENTER line. If our "best fit" link (Amasa CARPENTER) is correct, then my line goes back to Wm. of Rehoboth. But in all the searches I see on this list serve, I never see the names that connect in the last few generations to my line. If anyone can help, please let me know. Here's my line, from Me (Mary), going BACK through the male side to my "problem" link: Mary C. CARPENTER, b. 2-5-1960 in WI; single, presently living in Flagstaff, AZ. Clarence Frank CARPENTER, b. 9-20-1922 in Longwood Twp., Clark Co., WI; d. 5-20-1995 in Marshfield, Wood Co., WI; buried Abbotsford, Clark Co., WI; m. Doris Marie GENRICH on 8-18-1954 in Dorchester, Clark Co., WI. Frank Isaac CARPENTER, b. 2-20-1882 in Chesaning, MI; d. 3-29-1945 in Sparta, WI; m. Catherine POMMERICH on 2-3-1909 in Fond du Lac, WI. Children: Evelyn Carpenter Young Ione Carpenter Vandehey Cathryn Carpenter Brunkhorst Frank Herman Carpenter Marie Carpenter Kramer Clarence Frank Carpenter (my dad) CASS Carpenter, b. 11-26-1851 in MI; d. 5-3-1925 in an Infirmary, Calhoun Co., MI; m(1). Czarina (Czarena) A. BUCKLAND on 6-30-1877 in Chesaning, MI. Children: *John Carpenter, b. 8-1880 in St. Charles Twp., Saginaw Co., MI; d. 10-9-1940 in Pacific B1 (or Smithers), British Columbia, Canada; m. unknown (I have pictures of her visiting my grandfather after John's death, but no one can remember her name!). They had a son who may have been in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or some other Canadian law enforcement. *I am very interested in finding descendants of John! Frank Isaac Carpenter (MY GRANDFATHER, see above). Veva Dulcenia Carpenter DeMott Eva J. Carpenter Homer (twin sister of Veva) Cass married (2) Minnie C. FROST on 3-31-1898 in Merrill, MI. They had a son, Walter Cass CARPENTER, b. 1901; d. 10-3-1926. Alonzo (Elanson) CARPENTERr, b. 1812 in Corinth Twp. Saratoga, NY; d. Unknown; m. Julia FORBES in 1850. (Julia was born 6-13-1826 in NY; d. 8-1-1899 in St. Charles, MI). I am also looking for more on the FORBES side. Children: Sarah, b. 1850 in MI; d. unknown Cass (my g.grandfather, see above) Emma, b. 1855; d. unknown Frank, b. 6-24-1857 in St. Charles, MI; d. 4-27-1926 in Battle Creek, MI. HERE IS MY WEAK LINK: AMASA CARPENTER, b. 3-27-1783 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. aft. 1850 in Sandy Creek, Oswego Co., NY; m. Lucy STONE, unknown when/where. Lucy was born abt. 1783 in CT; d. unknown. AMASA is Number 3751 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 415. He married twice. Had 10 children and settled in Sandy Creek, NY. He is listed in the 1850 census for Oswego Co., NY. The researcher would did much searching for my cousin in MI, could not find names of Amasa and Lucy's children. She states in a letter that of the many Carpenter lines in Oswego Co., NY (she ruled out Saratoga Co. lines), there is one line she cannot rule out nor find proof that it is the right line. This is AMASA CARPENTER. He occurs in the Oswego Co., NY census from 1820 through 1850, at which time he is listed age 67 with wife Eunice age 62 and an Orlando Smith age 12. There is a male in the household that would be the right age to be Alonzo through 1840. Perhaps this Amasa is a different one than is listed in the Memorial??? Amasa was the son of Samuel CARPENTER and Dolly ALTON, the last of a line of 5 Samuel's if I'm counting correctly. Samuel Carpenter, b. 5-24-1757 in Pomfret, Windham, CT; d. 1-7-1798 in Thompson, Windham, CT; m(1). Dolly ALTON on 4-27-1780 in Windham, CT. Dolly b. abt. 1760 in Windham, CT; d. 30901785 in Thompson, Windham, CT. m(2). Sybil ALTON Children of Samuel and (1)DOLLY: Amasa; b. 12-29-1781 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. 4-19-1782 in same place. *Amasa (MY problem LINE); b. 3-27-1783 in Thompson, Windham, Ct; d. aft. 1850 in Sandy Creek, Oswego, NY; m. Lucy STONE. No mention of his other marriage. Samuel Carpenter, b. 3-6-1785 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. Unknown Children of Sam. and (2)SYBIL: Dolly Eliot, b. 8-30-1792 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. aft. 1835 in Windham, CT. Asa, b. 8-4-1795 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. Unknown. ....So, I realize this is huge and probably hard to read, but if ANYTHING rings a bell with anyone, please let me know. I need that link to Alonzo's (Elanson's) dad! A list of Amasa's children would be a great help too. I also mentioned wanting to find more "long lost cousins" in Canada, through my grandfather Frank Isaac's brother John. Thanks for everyone's time! Mary C. Carpenter _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Margaret, Below is the general letter I send out on the Carpenter CD Project. Since it is a hobby to me, I can afford the time and energy put into it without seeking recompense for my efforts. The Carpenter CD Project (for the lack of a better name) is due out about the first part of the year 2001 with the deadline being the end of the year 2000. Hopefully the cost for the CDs will be low and to help offset the costs for the publishing the CDs and the two or three hard copies books. The Carpenter CD will also be submitted to the LDS Ancestral File to correct old erroneous data. Knowing them, it will take many many years to be added. If you have any questions, please let me know. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Maragret Cass wrote: > > Dear John, > What is the 'Carpenter CD Project'? > Thanks, > Margaret Cass > > A side bar of the Carpenter CD Project is to correct the data in the LDS > Ancestral File. *************************************** Dear Family History Researcher, I was advised that you might be interested in the CARPENTER FAMILY. For more than twenty years, I have worked on my own line and related CARPENTER lines. I have built a good size computer data base on the early CARPENTER Family in France, England and in America. This main data base has over 48,000 CARPENTER & related names with over 17,000 families. I also have about 67 other CARPENTER related data files. As you probably know most CARPENTERS can trace their lineage into England. But how many know that the research has taken that CARPENTER line into France to a gentleman called "William 'the carpenter' De Melun" who was a knight who had fought at Antioch in Syria during the First Crusade in 1098 AD? Many CARPENTER researchers have focused on their pacticular line, where as I am gathering the roots and descendants of the CARPENTER FAMILY. I have included corrections to their works and new data as I get them. I plan to produce a computer CD about the end of the year 2000 AD with the results of my gathering and compiling of records. My data has the major and minor CARPENTER branches in and from England dating from the grandfather of William 'the carpenter' De Melun about 920 AD. It includes source and other interesting notes. AND I NEED YOUR HELP! If I may have your CARPENTER FAMILY data, I will send you what I have (using GEDCOM) on my main CARPENTER data file in exchange. GEDCOM or Genealogical Data Communications is a standard way to transport computer data from one computer program to another. If you do not have your data on computer, let me know and we will work something out. I look forward to hearing from you. Please pass my name around to any other interested researcher on CARPENTERS. I will answer all inquiries. John R. Carpenter 5850 Yorkshire Ave. La Mesa, CA 91942-2821 U.S.A. (619) 466-5735 Voice (619) 466-591O Fax E-Mail: jrcrin001@home.com

Hi Penny, All the L lists are archived so you can go and search anything that has been posted to the list at any time. You do not need to print everything out and later have reams of printouts of no use to you. Sharon Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

Dear Penny, For the Carpenter lines after the 1440s - the main lines are fairly well documented. There is some lines like the Southern Carpenters that need more research. There are also many lines in England that need to be filled out. >From 1250 to about 1440 - there is more work to be done and confirmed. Prior to 1250 - Many pieces of the Carpenter line is educated speculation. This is not to say there is not some pieces of good documentation on parts of that line. With this understanding, as documented in notes of the main Carpenter data base for the Carpenter CD Project, use the data as appropriate. The Carpenter CD Project is due out about the first part of the year 2001, with the deadline at the end of the year 2000. Hopefully it will be a neat little package for Carpenter Researchers. I encourage everyone to submit a piece of the puzzle from any source you find (don't forget to cite). Feel free to ask questions. Many clarifications and errors have been corrected this way. The purpose of the Carpenter CD Project and forums like this one is to promote questions, combine research and brain power. And, yes we can have fun doing it! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, San Diego County, CA USA LGroup2220@aol.com wrote: > > I am really enjoying your posts on your research on the > Carpenters. I am relatively new at this genealogy stuff - but > old enough to not be afraid to ask a question - lest I look > stupid. Should we out here in Carpenter land be printing > these e-mails off for the purpose of trying to figure this all > out ourselves - or at some point, will one or more of you > put the correct history in a neat little package for the rest > of us to consume and place in our own files. I applaud what > you are doing - I also think you are enjoying yourselves - and > I hope Carpenters everywhere appreciate your efforts. > from Penny (who just found out she fits into the Wm. of RI line)

In a message dated 7/23/99 12:03:50 PM Central Daylight Time, jrcrin001@home.com writes: << I encourage everyone to submit a piece of the puzzle from any source you find (don't forget to cite). Feel free to ask questions. Many clarifications and errors have been corrected this way. >> Here is my brick wall, John Carpenter listed below. I like to never have found him listed in 1850 in the census index because I was told he was in Upson Co., GA. But no Carpenters were listed in Upson Co., GA that year. I finally discovered a big error and Upson Co., GA was listed as Richmond Co., GA. Below are the few things I know about my John Carpenter, I have been working on this family for 35 years.........he just suddenly appeared in Putman Co., GA about 1804, nothing at all before that. Descendants of John Carpenter Generation No. 1 1. JOHN1 CARPENTER was born Abt. 1773 in Virginia, and died June 12, 1839 in Upson Co., GA.. He married MARY Bet. 1802 - 1805 in Possibly GA. She was born 1790 in N.C., and died 1854 in Upson Co., GA.. More About JOHN CARPENTER: Fact 1: 1804, John Carpenter paid land taxes in Hancock County, Ga in 1804. Fact 2: 1805, He entered the Land Lottery in 1805, but drew a blank, so he recieved no land. Fact 3: 1815, John paid land taxes in Putnam Co., GA in 1815. Fact 4: 1820, John was enumerated in 1820 Census in Hancock Co., GA. with a wife, 5 sons, and 1 dau Fact 5: 1820, He entered the 1820 Land Lottery and had 2 draws. Fact 6: 1824, 6 July 1824 John Carpenter and a John Bell purchased lot #82, drawn by Sheldon Farrow. Fact 7: 1825, In 1825 John pd $70 toJohn Bell for a quick claim deed, written on back of 1st deed. Fact 8: 1830, John and fam. in Putnam Co., Ga in 1830. John moved to Upson Co., GA in 1832. Fact 9: 1880, His son George W. Carpenter on the 1880 Steward Co. Ga. census stated his father was born in VA. Children of JOHN CARPENTER and MARY were: i. FEMALE2 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1806, Georgia. More About FEMALE CARPENTER: Burial: died young 2. ii. HAMILTON (Parks) CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1808, Georgia; d. Bet. 1864 - 1865, Upson Co., Georgia. 3. iii. DEBORAH CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1810, Hancock Co., Georgia; d. Aft. 1870, Schley Co., Georgia. 4. iv. GEORGE W. CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1811, Georgia; d. Aft. 1880, Stewert Co., Georgia. v. NANCY CARPENTER, b. Bet. 1812 - 1813, Georgia; d. June 30, 1855, Milledgeville, Ga. More About NANCY CARPENTER: In 1850, Nancy was listed as an idiot. She was admitted to the Georgia State Mental Hospital, on 24th April 1855. It was stated "she is 40 yrs old, 1st symtoms manifested 10 yrs ago decidedly insane 8 yrs ago. cause unknown, disease hereditary no prominent delusions, is not apparently in a state of dementia, general health had a broken arm, has elephantiasis, destructive to clothing but often attemps to injure others etc." She d. 2 mo. after admittance. vi. BICAL CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1814; m. PLEASANT SPEARS, January 14, 1838, Upson Co., Georgia; b. Abt. 1815. More About BICAL CARPENTER: We have no record of Bical after the estate sale following her father's death. 5. vii. JOHN CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1815, Georgia; d. Aft. 1867, Georgia. 6. viii. ELEAZER 'ELY' 'ELI' CARPENTER, b. 1816, GA., prob. Putnam Co.; d. October 03, 1864, Baltimore, Md.. 7. ix. JAMES CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1817, Georgia; d. Bef. 1850. x. CAIN CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1824, Georgia. xi. JACKSON CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1825, Georgia. Generation No. 2 2. HAMILTON2 CARPENTER (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1808 in Georgia, and died Bet. 1864 - 1865 in Upson Co., Georgia. He married BERTHENA E. NORRIS March 03, 1845 in Harris County, Georgia, daughter of SAMUEL NORRIS and ELIZABETH PENTON. She was born Abt. 1825 in Georgia, and died Aft. 1880 in Upson Co., Georgia. Children of HAMILTON CARPENTER and BERTHENA NORRIS are: 8. i. CALVIN3 CARPENTER, b. 1847, Upson Co., Georgia. 9. ii. GREENVILLE N. CARPENTER, b. 1848, Upson Co., Georgia; d. Oklahoma City, OK. iii. DEBORAH A. E. CARPENTER, b. 1850. iv. JAMES T. CARPENTER, b. 1851. v. B. ANN CARPENTER, b. 1853. vi. LYDIA A. D. CARPENTER, b. 1855. vii. HAMILTON PARKS CARPENTER, b. 1857. viii. JOHN G. CARPENTER, b. 1859. ix. JEFFERSON J. (Jeff) CARPENTER, b. 1868. 3. DEBORAH2 CARPENTER (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1810 in Hancock Co., Georgia, and died Aft. 1870 in Schley Co., Georgia. She married WILLIAM HICKEY January 01, 1837 in Upson Co., Georgia. He was born Abt. 1812 in Georgia, and died Aft. 1885 in Schley Co., Georgia. Children of DEBORAH CARPENTER and WILLIAM HICKEY are: i. MARY ANN C.3 HICKEY, b. 1839, Upson Co., Georgia; m. GILLMORE. ii. BENJAMIN G. HICKEY, b. Bet. 1842 - 1843. Private in Co. G, 5th Reg., GA Vol., Army of TN, CSA, Schley Co. GA, 11 May 1861 31 Dec 1864, he was shown absent with out leave. No later record. iii. CAROLINE E. HICKEY, b. 1844, Upson Co., Georgia; m. HEAM. 4. GEORGE W.2 CARPENTER (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1811 in Georgia, and died Aft. 1880 in Stewert Co., Georgia. He married ELIZABETH LOUISA WALLACE January 05, 1832 in Putman Co., Georgia, daughter of BAALAM WALLACE and ELIZABETH CLEMENTS. She was born Abt. 1814 in Georgia, and died Aft. 1880 in Stewert Co., Georgia. More About GEORGE W. CARPENTER: Burial: Cedarwood Cemetery, Richland, GA. More About ELIZABETH LOUISA WALLACE: Burial: Cedarwood Cemetery, Richland, GA. Children of GEORGE CARPENTER and ELIZABETH WALLACE are: 10. i. JESSE3 CARPENTER, b. 1832, Georgia. ii. GEORGE CARPENTER, b. 1835, Georgia. He may have settle in Arkansas, if not Texas. 11. iii. SARAH A. CARPENTER, b. April 30, 1837, Georgia; d. November 23, 1903, prob. Stewert Co., GA. 12. iv. JOHN J. CARPENTER, b. June 04, 1841, Georgia; d. November 23, 1903, McLennan Co., TX. v. LOUISA CARPENTER, b. 1843, Georgia. 13. vi. DIADIMONA E. CARPENTER, b. July 06, 1844, Georgia; d. January 10, 1884. 14. vii. ISABELLA MISSOURI CARPENTER, b. 1846, Georgia. viii. MARY ETTA HARRIETT MORGANELLA CARPENTER, b. July 26, 1848, Georgia; m. HENRY H. KENDIRICK; b. November 23, 1843; d. January 02, 1923. ix. SOPHIA CARPENTER, b. 1850, Georgia; m. D. W. HARVEY. x. ETHELDOR CARPENTER, b. 1854, Georgia. xi. VICTORIA CARPENTER, b. May 12, 1854, Georgia; d. January 28, 1898; m. S. T. HARRY. xii. EMMA ANNA CARPENTER, b. 1856, Georgia; d. November 12, 1923; m. CHALKLEY. 5. JOHN2 CARPENTER (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1815 in Georgia, and died Aft. 1867 in Georgia. He married SARAH CUMMINGS August 23, 1846 in Upson Co., Georgia, daughter of STEPHEN CUMMINGS. She was born Bet. 1825 - 1831 in Georgia, and died Aft. 1880. In 1850 John was listed as the head of household, with wife Sarah, son Napoleon, his mother Mary and his sister Nancy was also listed in his household. John was listed as insane. In 1860, John was in the household of his bro. Ely in Randolph Co., AL. In 1860, Sarah and Napoleon were in the household of W. R. Jarrold. Sarah was listed as a domestic. Child of JOHN CARPENTER and SARAH CUMMINGS is: i. NAPOLEON3 CARPENTER, b. 1847, Georgia. 6. ELEAZER 'ELY' 'ELI'2 CARPENTER (JOHN1) was born 1816 in GA., prob. Putnam Co., and died October 03, 1864 in Baltimore, Md.. He married ANNZENA NORRIS May 10, 1846 in Tallapoosa Co., AL., daughter of SAMUEL NORRIS and ELIZABETH PENTON. She was born March 1831 in GA., and died 1900 in OK.. More About ELEAZER 'ELY' 'ELI' CARPENTER: Burial: November 01, 1864, B-46 Louden Park Cem., Confederate Lot, Baltimore, MD. Eleazar was listed in the Upson Co., GA Tax Digest in 1850, and the 1850 Upson Co., Ga Census. He purchased land in Chambers Co., AL 25th Feb 1856, deed was recorded in Randolph Co. AL He was in Chambers Co. Al in 1860, but on Randolph Co. census.(this was because of the path of creeks and rivers.) He volunteered ( Conscripted) for service and was mustered into Co. B, 64th GA Reg. Inf. CSA, as pvt Children of ELEAZER CARPENTER and ANNZENA NORRIS are: 15. i. MARY ANN3 CARPENTER, b. September 15, 1847, Ga; d. Bef. 1900, prob. Tallapoosa Co., AL. ii. JULEY ELLENDER 'DILLY' CARPENTER, b. July 19, 1848, GA.; d. September 01, 1858, GA.. She was listed in the 1850 Upson Co., Ga census with parents. She is also listed in an old Bible record as Juley Ellender. 16. iii. WILLIAM CICERO CARPENTER, b. August 01, 1850, Upson Co., GA.; d. May 25, 1931, Hico, Hamilton Co., Texas. 17. iv. ALONZO CICERO CARPENTER, b. January 10, 1852, Upson Co., Ga; d. January 28, 1936, Cordell, Washita Co, Ok. 18. v. VICTORIA LAURA ELIZABETH CARPENTER, b. December 1855, Alabama; d. December 31, 1906, Navarro Co., Texas. 19. vi. JAMES SAMUEL CARPENTER, b. May 11, 1856, Fayette, Chambers Co, Al; d. June 02, 1925, Clinton, Custer Co, Ok, T.B.Sanitarium. vii. JOHN HAMILTON CARPENTER, b. April 27, 1859. 7. JAMES2 CARPENTER (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1817 in Georgia, and died Bef. 1850. He married IRENE NORRIS January 10, 1848 in Troup Co., Georgia, daughter of SAMUEL NORRIS and ELIZABETH PENTON. She was born Abt. 1827 in Georgia. Child of JAMES CARPENTER and IRENE NORRIS is: i. SARAH A.3 CARPENTER, b. 1848, Alabama; m. JAMES D. GREER, November 06, 1865, Tallapossa Co., Alabama.

This is the first time I have posted anything here, but I think my sister has asked about Angeline on this site. I will post this time and hopefully someone new will read this and recognize names. Angeline Carpenter was my gr. grandmother, b. ca 1850, in IL?, lived in NE for a while, and ended up in Madison Co., AR. She married someone I have only heard referred to as "old man Magee". He was supposedly much older than she. According to a written record, they came to AR on the run with a 2-year-old child, Katherine Magee. Mr. Magee died and she m. my gr. grandfather, Andrew Jackson "Jack" Patrick in AR. They both d. there. She burned a trunk full of family records when her children were old enough to read so they wouldn't know of her past. Supposedly, according to 1880 AR census, her fr. was b. in KY and her mr. in TN. I would love to know her parents and siblings, etc. If anyone has any ideas, remote or otherwise, please let me know. Thanks!! Donna Brown <LadyLv56@aol.com