Hi fellow Carpenter researcher's I found this site on the web at http://wwwgendex.com/user/miller/html/surnames.html My question is .Who is this James Carpenter father of John? Could this be Jean le Carpenter? Any ideas? Lucy

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------073E71FB5115D02C627E9904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bruce, Regarding the "French Connection" letter; was this E-Mail or Snail mail? I sent the data on the Du Nord Carpentiers already. If you can not find it, let me know and I will send it again. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:34957 - ------------------------------------------------------- Name:Peter CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1260 Place:of Coventry,Warwickshire,England Father:1 CARPENTER-34956 Mother: Notes ---------------------------------------------------- !16 Nov. 1303 Peter le Carpenter of Yelvertaft - land transaction. end notes The attached file (34551d.txt) has his ancestry (mostly speculation) back to Melun, France. No matches on Oliver Carpenter in that time period. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > John: > Did you get me "French Connection" letter? Do you have any hints for the > mentioned Peter Carpenter or Oliver? I would appreciate the known > genealogical data on the Nord Carpentiers. I have some of the names in a > notebook back in Japan. If you don't mind I would appreciate that data.My > server seems back in business. > Sincerely, > Bruce --------------073E71FB5115D02C627E9904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="34551d.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="34551d.txt" Descendants of William CARPENTER-34551 First Generation 1. William CARPENTER-34551 was born about 1130 in of Melun, Seine-et-Marne, Ile De France, France and was christened in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. !Probably born in France but later of Coventry. William Carpenter of Bishop's St. - land transaction. He had the following children: + 2 M i. Jordan CARPENTER-34588 was born about 1165. Second Generation 2. Jordan CARPENTER-34588 was born about 1165 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. 1215-1225 Jordan, son of William the Carpenter of Bishop Street - land transaction. Witness: Henry the Carpenter. He had the following children: + 3 M i. Hugh CARPENTER-34584 was born about 1195. Third Generation 3. Hugh CARPENTER-34584 was born about 1195 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. Hugh was a witness in a land transaction. He had the following children: + 4 M i. 1 CARPENTER-34956 was born about 1225. Fourth Generation 4. 1 CARPENTER-34956 was born about 1225 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. Speculative individual. He had the following children: 5 M i. Peter CARPENTER-34957 was born about 1260 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. 16 Nov. 1303 Peter le Carpenter of Yelvertaft - land transaction. Index Name ID Generation CARPENTER, 1 4 4 CARPENTER, Hugh 3 3 CARPENTER, Jordan 2 2 CARPENTER, Peter 5 5 CARPENTER, William 1 1 --------------073E71FB5115D02C627E9904--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9E3A95D0F1A909E4A47CA4DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Bruce, Regarding the "French Connection" letter; was this E-Mail or Snail mail? I sent the data on the Du Nord Carpentiers already. If you can not find it, let me know and I will send it again. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:34957 - ------------------------------------------------------- Name:Peter CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1260 Place:of Coventry,Warwickshire,England Father:1 CARPENTER-34956 Mother: Notes ---------------------------------------------------- !16 Nov. 1303 Peter le Carpenter of Yelvertaft - land transaction. end notes The attached file (34551d.txt) has his ancestry (mostly speculation) back to Melun, France. No matches on Oliver Carpenter in that time period. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > John: > Did you get me "French Connection" letter? Do you have any hints for the > mentioned Peter Carpenter or Oliver? I would appreciate the known > genealogical data on the Nord Carpentiers. I have some of the names in a > notebook back in Japan. If you don't mind I would appreciate that data.My > server seems back in business. > Sincerely, > Bruce --------------9E3A95D0F1A909E4A47CA4DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="34551d.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="34551d.txt" Descendants of William CARPENTER-34551 First Generation 1. William CARPENTER-34551 was born about 1130 in of Melun, Seine-et-Marne, Ile De France, France and was christened in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. !Probably born in France but later of Coventry. William Carpenter of Bishop's St. - land transaction. He had the following children: + 2 M i. Jordan CARPENTER-34588 was born about 1165. Second Generation 2. Jordan CARPENTER-34588 was born about 1165 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. 1215-1225 Jordan, son of William the Carpenter of Bishop Street - land transaction. Witness: Henry the Carpenter. He had the following children: + 3 M i. Hugh CARPENTER-34584 was born about 1195. Third Generation 3. Hugh CARPENTER-34584 was born about 1195 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. Hugh was a witness in a land transaction. He had the following children: + 4 M i. 1 CARPENTER-34956 was born about 1225. Fourth Generation 4. 1 CARPENTER-34956 was born about 1225 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. Speculative individual. He had the following children: 5 M i. Peter CARPENTER-34957 was born about 1260 in of Coventry, Warwickshire, England. 16 Nov. 1303 Peter le Carpenter of Yelvertaft - land transaction. Index Name ID Generation CARPENTER, 1 4 4 CARPENTER, Hugh 3 3 CARPENTER, Jordan 2 2 CARPENTER, Peter 5 5 CARPENTER, William 1 1 --------------9E3A95D0F1A909E4A47CA4DA--

Does anyone have a link to the following Carpenters? Carpenter, Daniel R., born N.Y. 1813?, maybe Chautauqua Co., NY, died Eaton Co., Michigan (Probate Records, 1830, 40, 50, 60 census records, cemetery records) wife: Wilson, Sally A., born Nov. 1817, N.Y., died March 6, 1863, Eaton Co., MI (gravestone - cemetery records) children: Otis W. born 1840?, Oakland co., MI, died Dec. 6, 1864 (Civil War), single (census & military pension records) William H. born 1842?, wife Maryette Vannorthwick 3/19/1867 (census) Daniel R. born 1843?, died Jan. 21, 1851(census & gravestone - cemetery records) *Cecil C. born 1845, Ingham Co., MI, died 1936, wife Caroline C. Vannorthwick (gravestone - cemetery and land records) Diana R., born Oct. 6, 1848, Eaton Co., MI, died Dec. 2, 1868, Eaton Co., MI (Eaton co. death records & census records) *Carpenter, Cecil C. wife: Caroline Vannorthwick/Vannotwick/Vanotwick,born 1851, DOM Feb. 5, 1869 (gravestone & cemetery & census & Co. marriage records) children: *Frank W. Carpenter, born Nov 25, 1869, Mich., died June 21, 1927 married S. Anna Shappell, April 10, 1895, Eaton co., Michigan (marriage records, cemetery records, gravestone) Guy E. Carpenter, born 1882, married Ola B. Grant, March 17, 1904 (cemetery records & marriage records) Claire C. Carpenter, born 1890, Michigan, married Blanche Burmaster (cemetery records & marriage records) *Frank W. Carpenter wife: S. Anna Shappell, born Oct. 25, 1869, died June 7, 1950 children: *Hugh J. Carpenter, born Oct. 5, 1896, Eaton co., Mich., died June 21, 1963, married to Iona Esther Perry Jan 3, 1921 (my grandfather) *Hugh J. Carpenter wife; Iona Esther Perry, born Aug 10, 1899, Lansing, Mich., died Aug 6, 1983, Alma, Mich. children: *Franklin Wayne Carpenter (my father), born Feb 7, 1924, Lansing, MI, died Dec. 8, 1963 (death certificate, cemetery records, gravestone, personal knowledge) Joyce Elaine Carpenter Robert Carpenter Thank you. Kris * = my line

Dear Glenice, I do not have a close match to your Adam Carpenter. I am forwarding this message to Terry Lee Carpenter in TX. He is an expert on the southern Carpenters. By the way, I knew a Glenice Musgrove at either Fort Jackson or Columbia, SC in the mid 1960s. Any relation? John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Glenicegs7@aol.com wrote: > > My Carpenter line can be traced back to Adam Haywood Carpenter born 23 Dec > 1847 in Mississippi. I have been unable to find any additional information > on him, his parents or siblings. Do you know of any information on Adam or > do you know where I can get a copy of the newsletters that were published by > James Ausie Carpenter? > The birthdate on Adam may be off, although I think what we have is correct. > Thank you for any hints you can give me. > Glenice Carpenter Musgrove

Dear Bruce, I apologise for the delay in answering your last. I have the following family that comes from France into England. The Edward Carpenter you mention below may have come from this line. +---¦Jehan Le CARPENTIER-13058 Rob. Le CARPENTIER-44818 ¦ ¦Abt 1250 Abt 1275 --------------¦ ¦Lord of Daniel e,Du Nord,France of,Du Nord,France ¦ MRIN:15879 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:15880 +---¦ ¦ --CHILDREN-- 1Robert CARPENTER-44817 Jehan and Jean were brothers. Jean in France is John in England but what is Jehan in english equivalent? +---¦Jean Le CARPENTIER-13043 Maurice CARPENTIER-1407 ¦ ¦Abt 1250 Abt 1275/1280 ---------¦ ¦Lord of Daniel e,Du Nord,France Ypres,West Vlaanderen,F,Belgium ¦ MRIN:4560 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:511 +---¦ ¦ --CHILDREN-- 1-Stephen CARPENTER-16313 2-Henry CARPENTER-36558 3Pierre Le CARPENTIER-13035 4John OR Jean CARPENTIER Le-85 5Renaud OR Richard CARPENTIER-13037 6-Alix OR A CARPENTIER Le-13056 7-Mehant Le CARPENTIER-13034 Stephan and Henry (above) have not been proven as children of Maurice. They are not in the French record, but are believed to be closely related. See Stephen's data below. As you can see I have wondered about the link to Robert le Carpentier (see notes below). INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:16313 - ---------------------------------------------------- Name:Stephen CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1300 Place:of Devon,Devonshire,England Father:Maurice CARPENTIER-1407 Mother: Notes ------------------------------------------------ !Stephen CARPENTER was a member of the English Parliament in 1325 for the Crediton in the county of Devon. Per Playfairs Britsh Antiquities, London 1810. !Only two of Maurice's male children are recorded in England. Stephen is not listed in the French records, but is probably related to Maurice as an uncle. This is a temporary connection. !NOTE: Is Stephen Carpenter, the same as Stephen Le Carpenter of Winterbourn' in 1323? Is he related to Robert le carpenter born abt 1167 in Huntingdon? Also found in the Suffolk Curia Regis Rolls in 1212? Or Maybe Robert Carpenter b. 1181? !SEE: Calendar of Antrobus Deeds before 1625, edited by R. B. Pugh in 1947. Page 6, dated 18 Mar 1323 mentions "Gift with warranty by Stephen le carpenter of Winterbourn' to Henry Curteis of Ambresbur' of a tenement with a curtilage which he had in the town of Ambresbur' . . ." (ie town of Amesbury). end notes. Miscellaneous note: In the late 1500's the town of Amesbury in Wiltshire figures into Carpenter history as many are born, married and buried there. Carpenters owned an Inn, sheep farm and other property there. Wills found prove this and their relation to the American Carpenters. Robert Carpenter (b. abt 1167) has only the speculative line below. +---¦Ralph OR Raulf CARPENTER-16308 Robert CARPENTER-16310 ¦ ¦Abt 1135 Abt 1167 -----------¦ ¦of,Yorkshire,England of,Suffolk,England ¦ MRIN:5675 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:10150 --CHILDREN-- 1Agnes CARPENTER-13063 INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:16310 - ---------------------------------------------------------- Name:Robert CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1167 Place:of,Suffolk,England Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse:Unknown Father:Ralph OR Raulf CARPENTER-16308 Mother: Notes -------------------------------------------------- !Robert or Robert Le Carpenter found in Suffolk Curia Regis Rolls in 1212. He is believed to be the descendant of William the Carpenter, b. abt 1042. !SEE: Calendar of Antrobus Deeds before 1625, edited by R. B. Pugh in 1947. Published by by the Wiltshire Archaeology & Natural History Society Records Branch. Submitted by Peter Goodhugh, 1992 of the Amesbury Society in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England. Page I, undated circa 1250 in black pencil. "Gift with warranty by Christine daughter of John de Ambresber' in her widowhood to Robert Kade for his homage and service of a messuage and curtilage lying between the messuage of Robert the carpenter and . . ." Robert the carpenter acts as a wittness also. See also Robert Carpenter born about 1181. Page 5, dated 9 July 1321 mentions "Carpenter Street (in vico carpentarii) in Great Ambri'." (ie Amesbury, Wiltshire, England) Page 6, dated 18 Mar 1323 mentions "Gift with warranty by Stephen le carpenter of Winterbourn' to Henry Curteis of Ambresbur' of a tenement with a curtilage which he had in the town of Ambresbur' . . ." (ie town of Amesbury). end notes. Hopefully, the data above combined with what you and others are digging up will help put the puzzle into a clearer light. Keep up the research! Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > John: > Thanks for you letter re. d'Avesnes problem. I am in a state of Carpenter > history excitment because I feel I have discovered the "missing link" to the > whole problem. I found a ducument which located Edward Charpenter on > Fleetstreet. This and the document that locates a Richard Carpenter to > Fleestreet fits all the material that I have located thus far into an > unmistakable pattern. The London Carpenters were descendants of Flemish > merchants. I realize this does not agree with some traditional data, but > doesn't the truth in family history always end in a surprise? I am now > anxious to return to the library and look more carefully at the 1200s for > clues of Edward's family. I will keep you informed. > Sincerely, > Bruce E. Carpenter

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A42AAEA0B3F6F7A8C44E769D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Claudia, Here is what I have on George Morton ... INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:2150 - ------------------------------------------------------ Name:George MORTON Sex:M ID No:H0DQ-PD Birth: 2 Aug 1585 Place:Harworth,Yorkshire,England Chr: Place:Austerfield,Yorkshire,England Marr:23 Jul 1612 Spouse:Julie or Julia Ann CARPENTER-675 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Jun 1624 Place:Plymouth,Plymouth,MA Burial: Jun 1624 Place:Plymouth,Plymouth,MA Father:George MORTON-28985 Mother:Catherine BOUN OR BOWN-28921 Notes ------------------------------------------------ !A.F. # H0DQ-PD (B. ABT 1584) AND ID # GJHF-GB (ABT 1597) AND ID # GVM0-9R (B. ABT 1584) ARE THE SAME PERSON. >From: cooper@amug.org E-Mail dated 5-29-98. George MORTON, 9G Grandfather, 12318 BIRTH: 2 Aug 1585, Harworth (near Scrooby), York, England DEATH: Jun 1624, Plymouth, Plymouth, MA, age: 38 OCCUPATion: merchant EDUCATION: Considering his son's literary accomplishments, it is likely that George was literate as well. RELIGION: baptised Catholic; Puritan FATHER: George MORTON, 10G Grandfather, 12327 (1553-?) MOTHER: Catherine BOUN OR BOWN, 10G Grandmother, 12330 (~1556-?) =AE4 Am. Gen 54 Jul p.153; Dunham Gen. 159,160 =AE4 Clark, B.W. John Wood of RI and his early desc.; Hist. of Hanover; Mitchell. Hist of Bridgewater; Devereux, Ruth S. Eddy Family in Amer. Boston: 1930. Holton. Winslow Family. 1877. V1 and 2.: New York and bio. records. =AE8 BIRTH: "Ros's Pedigree", SOUTHER.AHN (ahnentafel # 8702) gives place= as Yorkshire; MORTON.GED b & chr at Austerfield, Yorkshire DEATH: "Ros's Pedigree" & "Dict Am Biog"; GRANT.GED & SOUTHER.AHN files give June 1624. BIOGRAPHY: fr. Harworth, near Scrooby 1623 in 'Anne' to Plymouth merchant of well-to-do Roman Catholic family; "Dict Am Biog" probably son of Anthony Morton a wealthy Catholic gentleman living near Scrooby, Nottinghamshire MORTON.GED includes notes: Immigration: Jun 1623, in Plymouth, MA (Descendants of Levi Wood, 1755-1833, V. S.Pease, 1913). Occupation: Merchant. In the "Descendants of Levi Wood", George Morton is noted as a man of affairs, and before joining the colony had acted for several years as fiscal agent for the Pilgrims. It was he who chartered the ship "Mayflower" which was the first to enter the service of transporting the Pilgrims from England to America. "Abraham Sampson in America" tells how he remained in Holland to promote the success of the colony by encouraging immigration. The work for which he is most noted is his publication since known as "Mourt's Relation". The Relation is composed of letters and journals from the chief colonists in Plymouth. He traveled on the Ann, the third and last ship to carry what are distinctively known as the forefathers. The Ann reached Plymouth early in June 1623. A year later, in June 1624, he died. Leon Clark Hills in History and Genealogy of the Mayflower Planters, agrees on his reaching the colony in 1623, but places him on the Little James, along with John Jenney and his family. There were only three families and a single man noted as passengers on the Little James. The Little James was intended to remain in the colony. In "Saints and Strangers", George Morton is noted to be of a well-to-do- Roman Catholic family of Harworth, in Bawtry and near Scrooby. He is also said to have died impoverished shortly after his arrival and his family was provided for by his brother-in-law, William Bradford. "Descendants of Levi Wood" 1894. MARRIAGE: MORTON.GED 6 Jul 1612 GRANT.GED Came on the Ann in 1623 with wife. =AE11 GEORGE came in the Ann, 1623. He m. in Leyden, 1612, Julian, d. of Alexander Carpenter of Wrentham, England, and had Nathaniel, 1613; Patience, 1615, m. John Faunce; John, 1616; Sarah, 1618, m. George Bonum; Ephraim, 1623; and perhaps George, who had a wife Phebe =AE12 From: GardGen@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997. end notes. The attached file is what I have on his ancestry. I had to smile on your "It's the "fairly clear" which bothers me <smile>" statement. The answer is yes and no. We have copies of wills along with land records for some but not all. We have some good data here and there with sources cited. The main lines are fairly well agreed upon ... until something comes along to disprove it. This is why it is important to document where you got your data. Sharing helps make it more interesting. Captain William Carpenter of Rehoboth (b. 1605) has excellent sources due to the recent (in the last decade or so) finds in church records that revealed the marriage and baptisim records. Richard Carpenter (below) does not have the excellent documentation. His data has the more meager and relys on unconfirmed sources. Alexander CARPENTER-97 Abt 1546/1551 of Wrington,Somerset,England --SPOUSE-- MRIN:207 Priscilla OR Druscilla DILLEN-672 Abt 1552 of Wrington,Somerset,England I am glad you are enjoying the discussion. Genealogy is a hobby for me. I am a probation officer in real life. Take Care & Have Fun! :) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA William Cridland wrote: > > Hello, John, > > <<Attached is what I have on the Morton descendancy line.>> > > The ancestry of George Morton is unknown. Robert Charles Anderson > in his "The Great Migration Begins" gives as his origin simply "Leiden", > which refers to his point of departure for these shores only. He was > born "by about 1587 based on date of marriage", according to Anderson.. > > >>The Carpenters after about 1440 are fairly clear of who was whom. << > > It's the "fairly clear" which bothers me <smile> Are there original > records > to back up the information on these generations? All too frequently > information was repeated from author to author without regard to > actual citations. "The great Migration Begins" has an entry for Priscilla > Carpenter, and she is mentioned as having been "born perhaps > about 1598, daughter of Alexander Carpenter of Wrington, Somersetshire, > and was one of five sisters who came to New England, or married men > who came to New England, or both." Alexander Carpenter was a witness > at Amsterdam to a marriage in 1600, and he was at Leiden by 1611. > Anderson mentions no ancestry for him. > > >>The current discussion involves the time period of about 1250 to about > 1400 > AD.<< > > ...and a very interesting discussion it is! > > Claudia Cridland > > --------------A42AAEA0B3F6F7A8C44E769D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="2150a.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="2150a.txt" Ahnentafel Chart for George MORTON-2150 First Generation 1. George MORTON-2150 was born 2 Aug 1585 in Harworth, Yorkshire, England= and was christened in Austerfield, Yorkshire, England. He died Jun 1624 = in Plymouth, Plymouth, MA and was buried Jun 1624 in Plymouth, Plymouth, = MA. A.F. # H0DQ-PD (B. ABT 1584) AND ID # GJHF-GB (ABT 1597) AND ID # GVM0-9R= (B. ABT 1584) ARE THE SAME PERSON. >From: cooper@amug.org E-Mail dated 5-29-98. George MORTON, 9G Grandfather, 12318 BIRTH: 2 Aug 1585, Harworth (near Scrooby), York, England DEATH: Jun 1624= , Plymouth, Plymouth, MA, age: 38 OCCUPATion: merchant EDUCATION: Considering his son's literary accomplishments, it is likely t= hat >George was literate as well. RELIGION: baptised Catholic; Puritan FATHER: George MORTON, 10G Grandfather, 12327 (1553-?) MOTHER: Catherine = BOUN OR BOWN, 10G Grandmother, 12330 (~1556-?) =3DAE4 Am. Gen 54 Jul p.15= 3; Dunham Gen. 159,160 =3DAE4 Clark, B.W. John Wood of RI and his early desc.; Hist. of Hanover;= Mitchell. Hist of Bridgewater; Devereux, Ruth S. Eddy Family in Amer. Boston: 1930. Holton. Winslow Family. 1877. V1 and 2.: New York and bio. = records. =3DAE8 BIRTH: "Ros's Pedigree", SOUTHER.AHN (ahnentafel # 8702) gives pla= ce=3D as Yorkshire; MORTON.GED b & chr at Austerfield, Yorkshire DEATH: "= Ros's Pedigree" & "Dict Am Biog"; GRANT.GED & SOUTHER.AHN files give June= 1624. BIOGRAPHY: fr. Harworth, near Scrooby 1623 in 'Anne' to Plymouth merchant= of well-to-do Roman Catholic family; "Dict Am Biog" probably son of Anth= ony Morton a wealthy Catholic gentleman living near Scrooby, Nottinghamsh= ire MORTON.GED includes notes: Immigration: Jun 1623, in Plymouth, MA (De= scendants of Levi Wood, 1755-1833, V. S.Pease, 1913). Occupation: Merchan= t. In the "Descendants of Levi Wood", George Morton is noted as a man of = affairs, and before joining the colony had acted for several years as fis= cal agent for the Pilgrims. It was he who chartered the ship "Mayflower" = which was the first to enter the service of transporting the Pilgrims fro= m England to America. "Abraham Sampson in America" tells how he remained = in Holland to promote the success of the colony by encouraging immigratio= n. The work for which he is most noted is his publication since known as = "Mourt's Relation". The Relation is composed of letters and journals from= the chief colonists in Plymouth. He traveled on the Ann, the third and l= ast ship to carry what are distinctively known as the forefathers. The An= n reached Plymouth early in June 1623. A year later, in June 1624, he die= d. Leon Clark Hills in History and Genealogy of the Mayflower Planters, a= grees on his reaching the colony in 1623, but places him on the Little Ja= mes, along with John Jenney and his family. There were only three familie= s and a single man noted as passengers on the Little James. The Little Ja= mes was intended to remain in the colony. In "Saints and Strangers", Geor= ge Morton is noted to be of a well-to-do- Roman Catholic family of Harwor= th, in Bawtry and near Scrooby. He is also said to have died impoverished= shortly after his arrival and his family was provided for by his brother= -in-law, William Bradford. "Descendants of Levi Wood" 1894. MARRIAGE: MORTON.GED 6 Jul 1612 GRANT.GED Came on the Ann in 1623 with wife. =3DAE11 GEORGE came in the Ann, 1623. He m. in Leyden, 1612, Julian, d. o= f Alexander Carpenter of Wrentham, England, and had Nathaniel, 1613; Pati= ence, 1615, m. John Faunce; John, 1616; Sarah, 1618, m. George Bonum; Eph= raim, 1623; and perhaps George, who had a wife Phebe =3DAE12 From: GardGe= n@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997. George married (MRIN:638) Julie or Julia Ann CARPENTER-675, daughter of A= lexander CARPENTER-97 and Priscilla OR Druscilla DILLEN-672 (MRIN:207) on= 23 Jul 1612 in Austerfield, Yorkshire, England. Julie was born 1583 in B= ath, Somerset, England. She died 19 Feb 1665 in Plymouth, Plymouth, MA. Second Generation 2. George MORTON-28985 was born 1553 in Bantry, Nottingham, England. He d= ied in England. George married Catherine BOUN OR BOWN-28921 in England (M= RIN:10395). 2 George MORTON, 12327. Born in 1553 in Bantry, Nottingham, England. Geor= ge died ? in , , England. Research: [note by Paul McBride]: Info on this generation is from Ernie = =3D46rey <nanern@acs.bu.edu> "The April, 1994, issue of Yankee Magazine h= ad a genealogical query from William Meacham, 810 King James St. SW, Roan= oke, VA 24014-1316, requesting info/descendants George and Julianna Carpe= nter Morton. He responded to my letter with an extensive tree that includ= ed much of the information that you had in your pages. He included, howev= er another George Morton between Anthony and George Morton. He did not ha= ve dates, but did supply wife's name as Catherine Boun." SOUTHER.AHN ahnentafel # 17404 originally listed here (from ?) as Andrew Morton of Scrooby, Nottinghamsh= ire, England BIRTH: MORTON.GED file 1570 at Bawtry?, Yorkshire MORTON.GED file: "a wealthy Catholic gentleman living near Bawtry or Harw= orth.. ." Dictionary of American Biography Volume VII. BIRT SOUR NEHGR 111:68 John K. Allen. George Morton and some of his descendants. In 1577 when George was 24, he married Catherine BOUN OR BOWN, 12330. They had one child: 1 i. George, 12318 (1585-1624) 3. Catherine BOUN OR BOWN-28921 was born about 1556 in Bantry, Nottingham= , England. was buried in Bawtry, York, England. 3 Catherine BOUN OR BOWN, 12330. Born abt 1556 in Bantry, Nottingham, Eng= land. Catherine died ? in , , England. Buried in Bawtry, York, England.= Research: MORTON.GED lists her as Catherine Boun Third Generation 4. Anthony MORTON-28795 was born about 1521/1523 in York, England. He die= d in Bawtry, York, England. Anthony married PLUMPTON-36519 in England (MR= IN:13099). 4 Anthony MORTON, 12328. Born abt 1521/1523 in , York, England. Anthony = died ? in Bawtry, York, England? Research: SOUTHER.AHN ahnentafel # 34808 MORTON.GED file: "A fine is preserved, dated Trinity 1577 wherein William= Bradfurthe is plaintiff and Anthony Morton and Mary, his wife, are defor= ciants, and lands at Austerfield and Bawtry are at issue (Yorks Fines). N= EHGR 111:68. "Anthony Morton wasted the Morton Estate" Anonymous. "Early = History of the Morton Family: reprinted from an ancient book" 1931. University of Cambridge, England John K. Allen. George Morton and some of his descendants. MORTON.GED b 1550, b place & burial http://www.tiac.net/users/pmcbride/rf= c/gw40.htm#I4772 b 1521 8418-HB b. 1521 Of, Bawtry,Y, England abt 1559 when Anthony was 38, he married ? PLUMPTON, 12329, in Bawtry, Yo= rk, England. They had one child: 2 i. George, 12327 (1553-?). 5. PLUMPTON-36519 was born about 1538 in of, Bawtry, York, England. 5 ? PLUMPTON, 12329. Born ca 1538 in of Bawtry, York, England. ? died ? .= Research: MORTON.GED first name http://www.tiac.net/users/pmcbride/rfc/gw44.htm#I4773 surname & b (no fir= st name) 9SMF-MO. Fourth Generation 8. Robert MORTON-36520 was born about 1497 in Bawtry, York, England. He d= ied about 1575 in Bantry, Nottingham, England. Robert married Alice MARKH= AM-36521 in England (MRIN:13100). 6 John BOWN, 12514. Born abt 1526 in , , England. John died ? in , , E= ngland. Child: 3 i. Catherine, 12330 (~1556-?) 8 Robert MORTON, 12515. Born abt 1497 in Bawtry, Yorkshire, England. Robe= rt died in Bantry, Nottingham, England abt 1575; he was 78. Research: SOUTHER.AHN ahnentafel # 69616 MORTON.GED file: John K. Allen. George Morton and some of his descendants= ; b 1530 http://www.tiac.net/users/pmcbride/rfc/gw40.htm#I4775 b abt 1504 8WJW-CD = says b. 1505; m./place abt 1525 when Robert was 28, he married Alice MARKHAM, 12516, in of Cotha= m, Yorkshire, England. They had one child: 4 i. Anthony, 12328 (~1521-?) 9. Alice MARKHAM-36521 was born about 1499 in Colham, Nottingham, England= =2E She died in England. 9 Alice MARKHAM, 12516. Born abt 1499 in Colham, Nottingham, England. Ali= ce died ? in , , England. Research: http://www.tiac.net/users/pmcbride/rfc/gw37.htm#I4776 b abt 15= 02 8WJW-DK says b. 1502. Fifth Generation 16. Charles MORTON-36522 was born about 1478 in Bawtry, York, England. He= died 1531 in Bawtry, York, England. Charles married Maud DALLISON-36523 = in England (MRIN:13101). 16 Cha

For all you Northern Michigan researchers heres a fantastic newspaper index that our local college (Northwestern Michigan College) has online. The Osterlin Library has a computerized and a paper index covering the Traverse City Record-Eagle as well as several other newspapers from this area of Michigan. The URL to the College and Record-Eagle is: http://www.nmc.edu/~library/res/others.html In order to get the index to work correctly you will have to download the FREE TeraTerm program. Then follow the instructions from Dave Dahlquist the College Librarian to configure TeraTerm. After that it works fine. If you are lucky to find an ancestor the cost of the newspaper article is only 10cents plus $3.00 postage and handling. Here are Daves instructions to configure TeraTerm: >The easiest way to do this is to change the domain hosts in >TerraTerm. >- Start Terraterm >- Select "setup" from the upper menu followed by "TCP/IP" (if the >"new connection" window comes up automatically, just cancel it >- Alternately click once on each selection in the second "host list" >window followed by "remove" until all entries in the "host list" are >gone. >- Type "nmc.edu" in the upper "host list" window followed by >selecting the "add" button; then select "OK" >At this point, you should be able to restart Terraterm and make the >connection to "nmc.edu" and login as "lisinq" with no password >required, i.e., press <Enter> at the password prompt. >Essentially, you will be starting Terraterm yourself to access the >database rather than having your web browser do it for you. Happy hunting :) Anita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have over 30,000 individuals in my database. Willing to do quick look-ups. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner.. Carpenter..Chromie..Cook..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.. Galick..Gauld..Gianella..Gilmore..Gnoli..Kramy..Laman..Loomis.. Malysiak..Marek..Marlow..Merlo..Mitrovich..Monelli..Newton.. Ottolini..Overman..Pisoni..Puricelli..Small..Travato..Wright ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314 Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315 Family Tree Maker Descendant Trees: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html Sunshine and Shadows memoirs by Evangeline (Cook) Wright at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/4343/ Surnames: http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.html VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948): http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUERIES: View: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314/geobook.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Mail: Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com agauld@mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work agauld@gtii.com (please send attachments here) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact me by web pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23187866 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can respond to this e-mail online. If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 23187866 You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. *grin* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As long as we are Remembered we Never die A life is not lost when it is known to future generations

For all you Northern Michigan researchers heres a fantastic newspaper index that our local college (Northwestern Michigan College) has online. The Osterlin Library has a computerized and a paper index covering the Traverse City Record-Eagle as well as several other newspapers from this area of Michigan. The URL to the College and Record-Eagle is: http://www.nmc.edu/~library/res/others.html In order to get the index to work correctly you will have to download the FREE TeraTerm program. Then follow the instructions from Dave Dahlquist the College Librarian to configure TeraTerm. After that it works fine. If you are lucky to find an ancestor the cost of the newspaper article is only 10cents plus $3.00 postage and handling. Here are Daves instructions to configure TeraTerm: >The easiest way to do this is to change the domain hosts in >TerraTerm. >- Start Terraterm >- Select "setup" from the upper menu followed by "TCP/IP" (if the >"new connection" window comes up automatically, just cancel it >- Alternately click once on each selection in the second "host list" >window followed by "remove" until all entries in the "host list" are >gone. >- Type "nmc.edu" in the upper "host list" window followed by >selecting the "add" button; then select "OK" >At this point, you should be able to restart Terraterm and make the >connection to "nmc.edu" and login as "lisinq" with no password >required, i.e., press <Enter> at the password prompt. >Essentially, you will be starting Terraterm yourself to access the >database rather than having your web browser do it for you. Happy hunting :) Anita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have over 30,000 individuals in my database. Willing to do quick look-ups. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner.. Carpenter..Chromie..Cook..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.. Galick..Gauld..Gianella..Gilmore..Gnoli..Kramy..Laman..Loomis.. Malysiak..Marek..Marlow..Merlo..Mitrovich..Monelli..Newton.. Ottolini..Overman..Pisoni..Puricelli..Small..Travato..Wright ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314 Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315 Family Tree Maker Descendant Trees: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html Sunshine and Shadows memoirs by Evangeline (Cook) Wright at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/4343/ Surnames: http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.html VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948): http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUERIES: View: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314/geobook.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Mail: Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com agauld@mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work agauld@gtii.com (please send attachments here) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact me by web pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23187866 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can respond to this e-mail online. If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 23187866 You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. *grin* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As long as we are Remembered we Never die A life is not lost when it is known to future generations

Solomon CARPENTER was the father of two wives of my gg-grandfather, Henry HARDISTER. These were Mary and Catherine CARPENTER and the marriages occurred in the 1850-1860 time frame. At least one was in Pulaski Co., MO, according the Henry's Civil War pension files. Henry was married (at least) four times (Caroline THOMPSON / Mary and Catherine/ and Sarah ELEMS). One known child was my g-grandfather, (William) Henry HARDISTER. His mother was either Mary or Catherine. Two other children of Henry were Martha and John, but which lady was their mother is unknown. Can anyone shed any light on Solomon's family as it relates to the HARDISTER (HARDESTER) family? Is there any known Native American ancestry? Henry (the son) passed this information along to his children, and on down to my generation. ANY information will be very much appreciated!! Thank you. Mike: 2Lakota@Gibralter.Net

I have one for u, and been hitting a road block with it concerning the Carpenter family, which is also in my Cantrell family line. I have a Robert Edward Carpenter Whom married a Mary A. Taylor in Chester Pennsylvania ... but since none of the family here remembers any dates, as to when, I don't have any dates of birth, death, or the marriage.... I was told that Mary A. Taylor was either born in Rock Island Illinois or in Chester Pa. I have tried every search engine possible and nothing. Its like they never excised! There were five children born.Their children were: 1)Son died in infancy 2) William m- Martha he died in Southern Fla. 3) Bernard Robert b- 8 Feb, 1918 m- Virginia Farina , and then later moved to Newark NJ, where their five children were born. 4) James resides in Louisville Kentucky 5) Vincent m- Loretta he died in New Jersey. ( all born in Chester Pa) If you can help, it will be most appreciated, and very helpful. I am at a crossroads and not moving at all with the Carpenters..Appricate any help. thank u and god bless, Donna

I am looking for information on a Jacob Carpenter that married Mary Ann Hobbs. I don't know where he is from or when he was born. He might be the one I have found in Washington Co. Ms in 1805. Supposedly they have a son Lewis Hobbs Carpenter that is found in E. Baton Rouge La. in the mid 1800's. Sorry I don't have more on this family, I just have come across them and have not found much on them yet. Thanks for any help, Carol

some carpenters here > >Hi: > > New England Genealogy Page is: > >http://members.tripod.com/~ntgen/bw/index.html > > >80 Immigrants profiled... 20,000 name database. > >Quite a few Long Island families here... > > >Norris > >-- >Silver Bullet <nmt1@ix.netcom.com> >Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/index.html >--------------------------------------- >----------------------- >How To Unsubscribe: http://www.genexchange.com/faq.cfm > >NYGenExchange >http://www.genexchange.com/ny/index.cfm > >Emigrant Savings Bank Records Project >http://www.genexchange.com/ny/Emigrant.CFM >

There is the GEN FORUM SURNAME web ----- >Hello All Carpenter Researchers: Where will the "List" go when >Prodigy Classic is gone? The Gen. BB has declined and I need to >know where to look for that info too! I don't care that much for >surfing the genealogy sites for each name that I am researching.. >Direct addresses are what I need due to the amount of time that the >www can take. It would help all of us to list the best sites for >searching and dialog with others such as we have here. I am not >familiar with AOL or Compuserve. I have heard that their BBs aren't >that good -- people not getting answers, etc. This list seems to be >the closest thing to the old Gen BBs we had on Prodigy. Any help out >there on this? Marilyn Newman newgor@juno.com > >

With the help of Anne Crawfords book A History of the Vintners’ Company, a good many of Carpenter family loose ends can be settled. Crawford tells us that the main organization of London wine-merchants was known as the Mistery of the Vintners, a curious enough name. The Mistery was not only involved in the importation of wines, but also the retail end. In other words important members of the club controlled and owned taverns. Law forbade non- members of the Mistery to sell Bordeaux wine. A number of weeks ago I published documents concerning none other than Bishop John Carpenter or Worcester himself as an owner of two taverns. At the time I was surprised by this, but no longer. Let any doubts as to the family identity of this interesting man from now on be laid to rest. Another loose end is Town Clerk John’s wife Kathrine and her connection to St. Botolph’s church. This church was a favorite charity for the Mistery. Also connected to the Mistery were properties on Fleetstreet, and again Blackfriars, which appears in Town Clerk John’s will. An additional point gleaned from Crawford is that important Mistery importers often had other professional designations. Thus a dealer in pepper might be a behind the scenes Mistery wine importer. This is important to remember in respect to ‘chaundeler’ Richard on Fleetstreet. Finally, a note on the nature of evidence in a medieval history discussion: It was suggested to me that what I have presented thus far for connections between the historical individuals I have discussed is ‘opinion’. This is outrageous. There are so few surviving documents from this period, that any assertion must be circumstantial by nature. This shows a lack of education in the individual in question. The evidence I have gathered makes an overwhelming case. Again I repeat, it is time to abandon the ‘knights and ladies’ mindset, and begin the investigation of this merchant family in earnest. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter professor

Is Gill Carpenter in England any relation to we Rehoboth Carpenters in the US? He seems to be eager to speak for all Carpenters in England (and us as well), but surely no more than a fraction of the Carpenters left in England have any genetic connection to one another. By the 1300 there were all manner of unconnected people using the surname Carpenter. It was also a popular alias for criminals. Then there were the countless hammer and nails carpenters who used their profession as a surname. In English historical records there are countless examples of these people, whose deluded descendants now think they are part of some ancient lineage. Thanks to excellent Massachusetts’s records I can trace my ancestors back to the 1500s with certainty. Few people in England, outside the aristocracy, can do this. The Carpenter Line back from Town Clerk John was a ‘denizen’ merchant family unrelated to all the other peasants with the surname in England. Any individual who wants you to believe the Carpenters of England are a grand big family is a nutcase. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

Hello All Carpenter Researchers: Where will the "List" go when Prodigy Classic is gone? The Gen. BB has declined and I need to know where to look for that info too! I don't care that much for surfing the genealogy sites for each name that I am researching.. Direct addresses are what I need due to the amount of time that the www can take. It would help all of us to list the best sites for searching and dialog with others such as we have here. I am not familiar with AOL or Compuserve. I have heard that their BBs aren't that good -- people not getting answers, etc. This list seems to be the closest thing to the old Gen BBs we had on Prodigy. Any help out there on this? Marilyn Newman newgor@juno.com

unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: CARPENTER-D@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 12:19 AM Subject: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #170

>By and by, my name is John R. Carpenter from La Mesa, CA. >John L. Carpenter is a Carpenter Researcher from NH. I know it is hard >to keep us apart because we look so much alike. > >Take care Cousin, > >John R. Carpenter >La Mesa, CA USA You look like John in NH? Oh God..... :)