does anyone have any suggested way for me to read the mim file attached the the digest? I tried to open it but my pc doesn't know which to use and frankly, nor do I. thanks Rena

A couple of years ago I located a web site where I could order the forms that one needs to order military records from the National Archives in Washington DC. Does anyone have that......????

Unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: CARPENTER-D@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 14, 1999 7:39 AM Subject: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #180

Dear Friends, I have read with dismay while the recent feud has erupted within our group. We certainly are passionate about our hobby; however, I think the time has arrived for us to resume helping each other with our family research and cease the hostilities. Peace to all! Mike Smith Smitty's Genealogy @ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2822 descendant of Reuben S. Carpenter and Hannah C. Pennock

OK I have tried not to get involved in this name calling and bad behavior. But I have relay heard enough. Is this forum about genealogy and research or is it about one persons opinions and a place to share his tantrums with others? I'm a direct descendant of William Carpenter b. 1540 England. And what they did or was involved with had nothing to do with the caricature of the generations after him. And yes I am very proud to say I descend from this line of Carpenter's. So grow up and try to be more professional and let us decide what we are willing to except as truth. This is a democracy not a dictatorship. Also any good work is worth paying for, Haven't you heard that nothing good is free? Lucy

----- Now, let me give you my opinion: > SHUT UP!!!!!!!! > > Very Sincerely, > Keith Morris...in Suffolk, VA > clap clap applause everyone > >

--Sounds to me that is a interesting story would love to here it some time . I have a grttttttttt uncle who tried to murder his 3 wife and wound up murdered himself I think the professor you ck his closet for skeletons we all have one John L. Carpenter Searching for Carpenter family decendants of William Carpenter of Providence, RI check my home pages at the following URL's http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

Boy, I left for a week with an empty mail box and returned to about 100 messages. Since there is so much traffic on the Carpenter list I think I'll see if anyone can help me with my question. In the following outline, most of the info has come from the AB Carpenter book in one form or another. In that book Gilbert is listed with 7 children. When I was given our family line years ago William had been added to that list of children making him #8. The references given to me were not specific as to which source put William in this family. Do any of you have anything on this family? I left out the dates of death in order to shorten the outline. Here's hoping, Carolyn Carpenter Descendants of Gilbert 355 Carpenter 1 Gilbert 355 Carpenter b: Abt. 1743 in Goshen, (Orange) New York . +Sarah b: 1746 m: Abt. 1770 .... 2 Gilbert 8378 Carpenter b: November 10, 1772 in Goshen, (Orange) New York ........ +Catherine Pensil b: February 14, 1770 .......... 3 infant Carpenter .... 2 Benjamin 8379 Carpenter b: Abt. 1775 in Goshen, (Orange) New York ........ +Sarah (Sally) Scovel .... *2nd Wife of Benjamin 8379 Carpenter: ........ +Procutia Hendricks .... 2 Mary 8380 Carpenter b: October 27, 1778 in Goshen, (Orange) New York ........ +Abraham Carpenter .......... 3 John Carpenter b: Abt. 1815 .... 2 Rhoda 8381 Carpenter b: October 27, 1778 in Goshen, (Orange) New York ........ +Daniel Carpenter b: February 21, 1784 m: Abt. 1804 .... 2 Nathaniel Cooley 8382 Carpenter b: Abt. 1780 in Goshen, (Orange) New York .... 2 Moses 8383 Carpenter b: 1783 in Goshen, (Orange) New York ........ +Deborah Glena .......... 3 Benjamin Carpenter b: April 1827 .... 2 Samuel 8384 Carpenter ........ +Phebe Manville .......... 3 Mary Carpenter b: September 1813 .... 2 William Carpenter b: Abt. 1790 in Kingston Township, Luzerne County, Pennslyvania ........ +Elizabeth Anway m: Abt. 1812 .......... 3 Sophronia Carpenter b: in Sunbury (Delaware) Ohio .............. +Phillip Doty b: 1811 in New York, New York .......... 3 Hurlburt Carpenter b: April 05, 1816 in Sunbury (Delaware) Ohio .............. +Mary Ann Woodruff m: January 12, 1843 .......... 3 Lovina Carpenter b: Abt. 1820 in Galena (Delaware) Ohio .............. +John Beekman m: June 04, 1840 .......... 3 Deming Carpenter b: March 26, 1822 in Galena, Delaware, Ohio .............. +Esther Woodruff b: July 06, 1826 in Zollarsville, Washington, Pennsylvania m: April 15, 1843 in Galena, Delaware, Ohio .......... *2nd Wife of Deming Carpenter: .............. +Lavina Jane Huston b: Abt. 1842 m: January 26, 1871 in Mansfield, Richland, Ohio .......... 3 Rhoda Carpenter b: in Galena (Delaware) Ohio

Marilyn, I download mine on a floppy. I think in that way it doesn't effect my hard drive if there is a problem. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Carolyn Carpenter

In a message dated 99-08-13 17:25:38 EDT, you write: << > I am not sure that I have Raymond George C's article from the > Carpenter Journal. I didn't have all of the issues. >> I have issue Vol 1, No. 3, Dec 1971 if that is the one you are talking about. It has Raymond George Carpenter and Harry F Rogers data. Will gladly share if you don't mind waiting till mid Sept. We are going to Virginia on vacation and have a new computer to get up and running so I can get my scanner working again. Carolyn Carpenter

Keith, I agree with your opinion!!!!!!!!! Sandra

Hi list John is getting a LOT of free advertising for his future CD sale, isn't he? Jeannie :) Publisher of The Jericho Wall Genealogy Newsletter In a message dated 8/13/1999 8:54:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jrcrin001@home.com writes: << Dear Louis, I'm sorry but I do not have what you requested. However, if you finish the bulk of your research before the end of the year 2000, I would be happy to add it to the Carpenter CD Project. This way future researchers can use it as a research tool. As a submitter you will be given a credit tag in the notes. You control what is submitted. Let me know if you are interested. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA LouisSMU@aol.com wrote: > > Fellow Carpenter researchers: > > I am working with some outstanding researcher who let me tag along in > researching the 1700-1800 Carpenters of NC especially Isaac Carpenter's of > Halifax (b. 1764, d. 1837). Our research has led us into the Tidewater area > of VA. > > I know people hate broad questions, but here goes anyway. Does anyone have > any wills, deeds, probate, marriage bonds, etc. in Isle of Wight County > and/or Surrey County of VA for CARPENTERS in the 1600's to later 1700's? > > Thanks in advance > > Louis Carpenter >>

Bruce - I'll bet we all have ancesters in our closets that we are not proud of. I'm a Carpenter and I know I do. So what. Why get into a spiritual truth vs historical truth argument. It isn't just a few Mormons who do not verify their lineages. From what I've seen most people do not. We all have to go on the best information we have at the time and then work from there. Even birth, death, etc., records aren't always reliable. As an attorney I can tell you, I've handled many paternity/custody/divorce cases where the father named on the birth certificate was not the biological father. Today this is something that can be challenged in our courts and today we can do DNA testing but that was not true for our ancesters. So don't be so quick to accuse. What genealogists rely on as evidence or proof of lineage is not always what would stand up in a Court of law. A birth certificate for example is only good for determining who the mother named as the father. It is not proof of anything. I think we all owe the Mormon church a great deal for the genealogical work they have done. And they did that work because of their belief in baptism for the dead. And we all benefit. Well I say praise the Lord. I'm off to my local FHC. Hava a great day. Kris

Bruce, Your rantings have gone on long enough. People have been telling you for days in their very polite and subtle ways to get on with the subject of genealogy. Your opinions on the other subjects (CDs, religion, and others) have been made and received by all. Now, let me give you my opinion: SHUT UP!!!!!!!! Very Sincerely, Keith Morris...in Suffolk, VA

Do not fail to notice that DeMelun John and Warriors Tony-Gill Carpenter will not present the real details of their research. This is because we will be expected to write a check for that when the time comes. We already heard from DeMelun John about the Tony-Gill book. Don’t expect a free copy. Likewise, don’t expect a free 2000 CD. I have received many a letter already asking about my own book, or my own CD. I am not in business, and most importantly, I do not have a promotional gimmick like ‘knights and ladies of old’ or ‘bold and stalwart warriors’. Greetings to the gullible. Bruce Carpenter

Incidentally, my husband is a direct descendant of the Zimmerman/Carpenter line and a few of those guys were not exactly well balanced. One hid in the hills for years and his sons would go scare him. Yeah, well balanced NC Carpenters - better than intellectuals. I think not and they would be ashamed of you.. Audrey mikekc@iquest.net wrote: > Just an observation of the ravings of Bruce Carpenter (Professor?) here > on the list. > It started out to be very interesting and informative. Then degraded > rapidly. > > The descendants of said Bruce Carpenter should be duly alarmed that the > insanity shown here may rear it's ugly head sooner or later down the > lines. > > Personally, I find intellectual types very tiresome as they always love > to exercise their brain's at other's expense, or so they think. > > I'm glad my Carpenter line originated from the Zimmerman's of Germany, > otherwise, I might be worried too! > > Sincerely, > > Mike Carpenter > > Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > > > What is bigoted about my statement? It states in simple terms > > basic Mormon tennants and beliefs. These beliefs are the basis > > of their concern with genealogy, and also the reason behind > > the mistakes they make when they practise it. Your letter to > > me was emotional. There is a real issue at stake here > > with my Carpenter family. By the way, my dictionary definition > > for 'bigoted' is, "intolerantly convinced of a particular creed." > > Sincerely, > > Bruce Carpenter > >

Just an observation of the ravings of Bruce Carpenter (Professor?) here on the list. It started out to be very interesting and informative. Then degraded rapidly. The descendants of said Bruce Carpenter should be duly alarmed that the insanity shown here may rear it's ugly head sooner or later down the lines. Personally, I find intellectual types very tiresome as they always love to exercise their brain's at other's expense, or so they think. I'm glad my Carpenter line originated from the Zimmerman's of Germany, otherwise, I might be worried too! Sincerely, Mike Carpenter Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > What is bigoted about my statement? It states in simple terms > basic Mormon tennants and beliefs. These beliefs are the basis > of their concern with genealogy, and also the reason behind > the mistakes they make when they practise it. Your letter to > me was emotional. There is a real issue at stake here > with my Carpenter family. By the way, my dictionary definition > for 'bigoted' is, "intolerantly convinced of a particular creed." > Sincerely, > Bruce Carpenter >

4 attachments are in my box. I apologize for being a wimp but I don't want to do attachments for several reasons. Is it possible to break these into individual issues so we can read the info like before? I have enjoyed much of the info -- keep it coming -- let me know where I can buy the books -- but please not in attachments. There are others who feel the same way. Marilyn

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:01:59 >To: LorenMC1@aol.com >From: Linda Hannah <Jamila@thuntek.net> >Subject: Re: research, findings, conclusions etc. > > >Thank you, Loren, > The way I look at it is that what was done is done, and that's too bad but look at the times it was done in. Put it away and look at the thousands of Carpenters that were good, rightous, God-fearing people who cared for their families, their religion, and their country. > I just got back from Boston visting my daughter and spent a weekend in Williamstown, MA with Ted Atkinson, a half-cousin thru Joseph Ira Carpenter on page 411 in the Memorial. I actually got to meet a Joseph Ira Cousin!!! > He took me around to Bennington and Pownal,Vt. where the gravesites of Jeremiah and Joshua are located along with several other Carpenter cousins! I learned about the Battle of Bennington in the Revolutionary war and that Jeremiah and his three sons were active in it! > I stayed at a little motel called the Apple Valley Inn and was delighted to discover that not a 100 ft south was Carpenter Hill Rd. that went up Carpenter Hill where the little orchard cemetery is located and where Jeremiah is buried! I was so excited to be at another site where my ancesters were. (Last year I visited Rehoboth!) It's called Carpenter Hill because Jeremiah bought 800 acres on the hill with the 120 lbs sterling that was given to Elizabeth by her father. > I learned so much from Ted. It turns out he was a professional genealogist for 15 years. He is descended from Olive Jane Carpenter back to Joseph David the only child of Joseph Ira's first marriage. I am from his second marriage to Flora Bartholmew. > I just got my pictures back. One of these days I will get them on a website for you all to see. To those who wrote me last year about the Rehoboth pictures, I have your email addresses and will let you know when I'm up and running. I haven't forgotten you. > > I have gained so much knowledge about the Carpenter family from these to researchers I hate to see it dissolve in a battle. Let's be polite gentlemen. We can all take what you have given us and go on to accept or reject it on our own terms. > Right now I have a problem with Elizabeth Reynolds who married Jeremiah. One person, a prof. genealogist accepts Frances Reynolds and the Greens on back to Henry the first of England. Another who has just written a Reynolds two vol. book says her father was Joseph son of Frances. Can anyone outthere help? > Concentrate on the Good all this family has done, it outweighs the bad!!! > In Carpenter Loyalty, > Linda in Albuq. > > >>I too am involved in a lengthy "historically important" research debacle. >>Because there is no "conclusive" answer (i.e.: documents such as wills or >>written verbiage to "prove" anything I gather is considered circumstantial >>evidence. Every other researcher can either agree or disagree with my >>findings. >>I base my case on very tangible evidence..but be that as it may...it is NOT >>fact..circumstantial evidence at best. >>To Bruce and John...I respect you both. You are thorough researchers who both >>have the best intentions..HOWEVER...Bruce....I find your arrogance demeaning >>to your research. You almost had me sold until you lambasted John in a very >>vicious way. >>Reaching back to other ancient sayings..."Doth does protest too loudly" and >>with that comes the thought that perhaps you are not an open minded >>researcher but rather a person who must be right at all costs. We are each >>capable of making up our own minds based on evidence presented...just because >>YOU say it is so, does not make it a truth. A fact is a fact, circumstantial >>is still circumstanial. >>Please get back to everyone posting their research findings and let us all >>draw our own conclusions. Name calling, religious slander does not belong in >>true academia nor genealogical research..nor anywhere else for that matter. >> >>Laurie Carpenter >>(a Carpenter thru maternal and paternal and marital.. 6 ways...and if my >>original is found to be a scoundrel......so WHAT?????? I am not...it is >>present action that concerns me most!) >> >> >> > Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, Stoner, Wollet.

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