Hi Rena: Your note includes Carpenters named "Coyle." There's somebody named Coyle who has mucho info on his Carpenter lines. Sorry I can't be specific. I'm just posting this in case it may prompt someone else with better files or better memories to chime-in. Help, anybody? Robin

Dear Linda, Congratulations on your rewarding trip! Have you ever thought of writing it up (with a map and directions) and sending it to Bette Butcher < Topptoppline@cet.com >? This way, others can share it (hard copy) it the future. A thought, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Linda Hannah wrote: > > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:01:59 > >To: LorenMC1@aol.com > >From: Linda Hannah <Jamila@thuntek.net> > >Subject: Re: research, findings, conclusions etc. > > > > > >Thank you, Loren, > > The way I look at it is that what was done is done, and that's too > bad but look at the times it was done in. Put it away and look at the > thousands of Carpenters that were good, rightous, God-fearing people who > cared for their families, their religion, and their country. > > > I just got back from Boston visting my daughter and spent a weekend > in Williamstown, MA with Ted Atkinson, a half-cousin thru Joseph Ira > Carpenter on page 411 in the Memorial. I actually got to meet a Joseph Ira > Cousin!!! > > He took me around to Bennington and Pownal,Vt. where the gravesites > of Jeremiah and Joshua are located along with several other Carpenter > cousins! I learned about the Battle of Bennington in the Revolutionary war > and that Jeremiah and his three sons were active in it! > > I stayed at a little motel called the Apple Valley Inn and was > delighted to discover that not a 100 ft south was Carpenter Hill Rd. that > went up Carpenter Hill where the little orchard cemetery is located and > where Jeremiah is buried! I was so excited to be at another site where my > ancesters were. (Last year I visited Rehoboth!) It's called Carpenter Hill > because Jeremiah bought 800 acres on the hill with the 120 lbs sterling that > was given to Elizabeth by her father. > > I learned so much from Ted. It turns out he was a professional > genealogist for 15 years. He is descended from Olive Jane Carpenter back to > Joseph David the only child of Joseph Ira's first marriage. I am from his > second marriage to Flora Bartholmew. > > I just got my pictures back. One of these days I will get them on a > website for you all to see. To those who wrote me last year about the > Rehoboth pictures, I have your email addresses and will let you know when > I'm up and running. I haven't forgotten you. > > > > I have gained so much knowledge about the Carpenter family from > these to researchers I hate to see it dissolve in a battle. Let's be polite > gentlemen. We can all take what you have given us and go on to accept or > reject it on our own terms. > > Right now I have a problem with Elizabeth Reynolds who married > Jeremiah. One person, a prof. genealogist accepts Frances Reynolds and the > Greens on back to Henry the first of England. Another who has just written a > Reynolds two vol. book says her father was Joseph son of Frances. Can anyone > outthere help? > > Concentrate on the Good all this family has done, it outweighs the > bad!!! > > In Carpenter Loyalty, > > Linda in Albuq. > > > > > >>I too am involved in a lengthy "historically important" research debacle. > >>Because there is no "conclusive" answer (i.e.: documents such as wills or > >>written verbiage to "prove" anything I gather is considered circumstantial > >>evidence. Every other researcher can either agree or disagree with my > >>findings. > >>I base my case on very tangible evidence..but be that as it may...it is NOT > >>fact..circumstantial evidence at best. > >>To Bruce and John...I respect you both. You are thorough researchers who both > >>have the best intentions..HOWEVER...Bruce....I find your arrogance demeaning > >>to your research. You almost had me sold until you lambasted John in a very > >>vicious way. > >>Reaching back to other ancient sayings..."Doth does protest too loudly" and > >>with that comes the thought that perhaps you are not an open minded > >>researcher but rather a person who must be right at all costs. We are each > >>capable of making up our own minds based on evidence presented...just because > >>YOU say it is so, does not make it a truth. A fact is a fact, circumstantial > >>is still circumstanial. > >>Please get back to everyone posting their research findings and let us all > >>draw our own conclusions. Name calling, religious slander does not belong in > >>true academia nor genealogical research..nor anywhere else for that matter. > >> > >>Laurie Carpenter > >>(a Carpenter thru maternal and paternal and marital.. 6 ways...and if my > >>original is found to be a scoundrel......so WHAT?????? I am not...it is > >>present action that concerns me most!) > >> > >> > >> > > > Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, > Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, > Stoner, Wollet.

The National Archives will send the complete file if you request it. Just not at the top of the form "Please send all .... records". I have requested pension, military and medical records from the Civil War and have received the entire file. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ladyh19777@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 00:39 Subject: Re: Military Records > In a message dated 8/14/99 5:07:08 PM Central Daylight Time, WyleneL@aol.com > writes: > << A couple of years ago I located a web site where I could order the forms > that > one needs to order military records from the National Archives in > Washington DC. Does anyone have that......???? > >> > HELLO, > I just thought I would let you know about someone who does lookups at the > National Archives in DC. Her fee is VERY reasonable and she copies the WHOLE > file not just the 10 pgs or so that they send you from the Archives. You > would be absolutely amazed at the important genealogical info those files > contain that they do not provide to you!! She also has a very quick turn > around time, which beats waiting the three or four months it sometimes takes > the Archives to get it to you. > > You can reach her at: sadam@mnsinc.com Her name is Beth Adams. I have used > her services several times and have been very satisfied. > > Alinda M. Miller >

Dear Cheri, Keep looking for the special censuses for tax, property, etc assessments. You might also check property and deed records. Best of Luck! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Cheri Nolen wrote: > > Heaven knows that we all wish that PA had done censuses for the years ending in 5, but they didn't, at least not in Erie or Crawford Counties. > Cheri

Chuck -- I too am getting mime but worse, attachments in my Prodigy mailbox. I have 5 attachments in my mailbox right now and they will soon float away into cyberspace as Prodigy keeps mail only for specified periods. I wrote earlier that I don't do attachments for space and other reasons and received letters from two subscribers who offered help but my problem is still that Email attachments will only download on my harddrive -- I have to elect to not open them. I guess I have missed issues 173 - 180 for the most part. I can't look right at this moment. Often mime comes through so I can read it other people have sent me stuff that looked like encryption. Why would some of the Digests be coming to my address as attachments? By the way, I will have to change this address in about 30 days when I get another on line server. I am still using a couple features with this one but looking for other avenues. Marilyn Newman Carpenter descendant from William of Rehoboth.

In a message dated 8/16/99 6:24:25 PM Central Daylight Time, walllj@globalnetisp.net writes: << The National Archives will send the complete file if you request it. Just not at the top of the form "Please send all .... records". I have requested pension, military and medical records from the Civil War and have received the entire file. >> They also have a 6 month backlog. So personally I would rather pay someone to look it up and send it to me. But it's nice to know they will send the entire file. Thanks

Hello :) Thanks to everyone who sent me email on how to read the mime files, I will have the problem fixed shortly. Meanwhile I got sidetracked in posting my Carpenter family so here it is, if anyone has any information, I am thankful. Josie F. Carpenter b. 1844 d. 1923 married Martin Henry Coyl/Coyle b. 1837 d. 1925. They had a possible 7 children. John Marion Coyle b. Jan 1, 1862 d. Nov 10, 1937 Bent C. Coyle b. Feb 7, 1880 d. April 30, 1964 Richard Coyle b.1884 d. 1928 Lucy, Mary, Samantha and Josephine Coyle, no dates available on the girls. The parents of Josie F. Carpenter I have as George Washington Carpenter b. March 11, 1818 d. Dec 10, 1903 married to Mary Ann Bottom b. Aug 16, 1819 d. Dec 28, 1898. No marriage date. I have Henry Carpenter as the father to George, I also have Jacob Carpenter as George's brother. I have George Zimmerman Carpenter as the father to Henry. I have no other information on the children of Martin Henry Coyle and Josie F. Carpenter, however I do have information on their son John Marion Coyle, my g, grandfather, and his family. Any help or information is greatly appreciated. Thanks Rena

Hi, That site is at http://www.wf.net/~irolee/forms.htm After finding the form you want, you can email the National Archives and request up to 10 of the form you want. In the email, you MUST put the word FORM in the subject line. Then you need to put your name, street address, city and state and zip code. and the form number you need and quantity. The email address for the National Archives is: inquire@arch2.nara.gov This may save a bit of time if you know which form you want. Form # 80 Military Service and Pension Records prior to WW1 Form #81 Passanger Arrivals Form #82 Copies of Census Records Form #83 Eastern Cherokee Applications Form #180 Militar REcords WW1 and later Hope this helps. Cheri

Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > What is the argument really about? At issue is the assertion > the Massachusetts and Rhode Island Carpenters are > descendants of an 11th century French knight William ‘The > Carpenter’ DeMelun. DeMelun was a sadist mass- murderer and twice deserter > of the crusades. The individual who is pushing this groundless and > distasteful theory intends to include it in his Year 2000 CD. This > individual is a Mormon genealogist who believes in baptism of the dead, an > ideology that hopes for the salvation of dead ancestors through proxy > baptism. Even a completely wrong list of ancestors is something to be > encouraged in the hope that, if a genealogy is correct, there then can be > religious redemption for departed relatives. This is fine for believers, but > for the rest of us, we do not wish to have our family history begin with one > of the most despicable men in history, particularly when the whole matter is > baseless. The genealogist interested in this theory will stop at nothing. He > is uninterested in historical truth and will listen to no objections to his > obsession. For myself, I feel that there is family honor involved here. This > Mornmon may think he is saving his ancestors, but he is insulting mine. Will > the Carpenter family allow this insult to the family name for the purpose of > Mormon ideology? Speak up! > Bruce: They spoke up!! Now lighten up and go back to work! George T. Carpenter (Not a professor) Illinois

Would the person who knew of a National Archives researcher please contact me privately? I hit the delete key too quickly. Marina Dececo mdececo@aol.com

Mike, I haven't had a chance to read all the arguments yet, but knew at a glance that the arguments were on my Carpenter list! One thing we all seem to have in common is a strong conviction that we are right, regardless of the issue or the facts! One of my Carpenter relatives once laughed at my Scandinavian relatives for their conviction that they are individually always right, and I told him that, coming from a Carpenter, that was strong praise, indeed!! :--) George --- George R. Carpenter Pinckney, Michigan carpgl@ismi.net ---------- > From: Mike Smith <michaelscottsmith@msn.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Oh My Goodness! > Date: Saturday, August 14, 1999 12:45 PM > > Dear Friends, > > I have read with dismay while the recent feud has erupted within our group. > We certainly are passionate about our hobby; however, I think the time has > arrived for us to resume helping each other with our family research and > cease the hostilities. > > Peace to all! > Mike Smith > Smitty's Genealogy @ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/2822 > descendant of Reuben S. Carpenter and Hannah C. Pennock > > >

Amen to that. Dick Carpenter

I know someone was looking for Carpenter's in DeRuyter,Madison Co., NY. These are from a list of people in the Old DeRuyter Burying Ground at DeRuyter, NY found at the Morrisville, NY library. Joseph Carpenter d. 1 Apr 1822 in his 84th year. Dr. Ruggles Carpenter b. 13 Mar 1767 Ellington, Tolland Co., CT; d. 18 Sep 1836 DeRuyter, Madison Co., NY Juliana Pierce Carpenter w/o Dr. Ruggles Carpenter d. 5 Jan 1842 ae. 62 years. Delford Carpenter d. 30 Aug 1843, ae 43 years Juliana Carpenter d. 5 Jan 1838 ae 27 yrs 11 mos. Erasmus E. Carpenter d. 15 Nov 1842 a 27 yrs 11 mos Sons and daughters of R & J Carpenter born Ellington, CT. Hope this helps someone. I am looking for the marraige of Elisha Carpenter, b. 1802 Saratoga, NY. Just thought I would add that (~: Sharon Garrett Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

At 12:23 AM 8/15/99 EDT, WVMystica@aol.com wrote: >does anyone have any suggested way for me to read the mim file attached the >the digest? I tried to open it but my pc doesn't know which to use and >frankly, nor do I. thanks Rena > Sorry I haven't been a little more attentive, I've been busy plus I've been fighting the flu. There shouldn't be any attachments from the list. No genealogy list allows attachments. You can paste information into the body of the message to send to the list or of course send attachments to individuals who agree to recieve them privatly. The reason for this is some servers and mail programs don't handle them well and they just create problems. Thanks, Chuck List owner. PS If you want to know more about mime, what it is or how to handle it then visit the URL pasted below: http://www.rad.com/networks/1995/mime/mime.htm

Our Carpenter family line also goes back to Ohio with the earliest known Carpenter being Robert John Carpenter b. 1811 in Trumbull County Ohio. The name Charles & Leroy used as a middle name is also quite common with our family. My husbands line goes like this; Richard Leroy Carpenter Jr. Richard Leroy Carpenter Sr. Floyd Leroy Carpenter Charles Lester Carpenter b. 1887 OH David Carpenter b. 1848 OH Robert John Carpenter b. 1811 OH If you would like more info let me know as we can find little else about the origins of Robert John Carpenter. We do have a lot of descendant info as well as pictures to share.

I have searched for any information on the above Carpenter family for years. Sammy Lee Carpenter (b. abt 1885 in Lewisville, Denton County,Texas; d 1945 Lewisville; buried Ritter Cemetery), son of John W. Carpenter (died before 1890) in Ellis County, Texas. Sammy Lee married Allie Mae Cooke (extensive documentation on the Cookes). Their children are Janice , Rhuedell, Dewanne, Woodrow Weston, Geneva Lee, James Conrad, Donna Lou, Bobby Randall, and Gerald Dewayne Carpenter. John W. married Carrie Mae Graham (b. 9 Sep 1867; d. 20 Jul 1949 in Collin County, Texas ). Carrie married a Hutton after my great grandfather's death. She is buried at Plano Mutual Cemetary in Plano, Texas. I would appreciate anything on this family!

Am looking for ANY ancestors of Charles LeRoy Carpenter, born in Athens Oh Feb 15 1836/8 and married Mary Jane Sawyer also of Ohio. Thanks for "listening". Sally Carpenter Warfield

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In a message dated 8/14/99 5:07:08 PM Central Daylight Time, WyleneL@aol.com writes: << A couple of years ago I located a web site where I could order the forms that one needs to order military records from the National Archives in Washington DC. Does anyone have that......???? >> HELLO, I just thought I would let you know about someone who does lookups at the National Archives in DC. Her fee is VERY reasonable and she copies the WHOLE file not just the 10 pgs or so that they send you from the Archives. You would be absolutely amazed at the important genealogical info those files contain that they do not provide to you!! She also has a very quick turn around time, which beats waiting the three or four months it sometimes takes the Archives to get it to you. You can reach her at: sadam@mnsinc.com Her name is Beth Adams. I have used her services several times and have been very satisfied. Alinda M. Miller