The Diary of rev War solider Jonathan carpenter is Jonathan carpenter # 1545 in Carpenter Memorial ther is abt 10 pages of the diary pgs 218 -228 He was b. 1757 of Jonathan #605 John L. Carpenter Searching for Carpenter family decendants of William Carpenter of Providence, RI check my home pages at the following URL's http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45 John L. Carpenter Searching for Carpenter family decendants of William Carpenter of Providence, RI check my home pages at the following URL's http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

Dear Folks, A good place to get cites on Who's Who is at the following address. I found 1,935 Carpenters here! http://galenet.gale.com/a/acp/netacgi/nph-brs?d=BGMI&s1=&s2=Carpenter&s3=&s4=&l=0&pg1=NA&pg2=LN&pg3=FN&pg4=PR%2CSF&p=1&u=%2Fa%2Facp%2Fdb%2Fbgmi%2Fname-search.html&r=0&f=S John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA

Hi John Wanted very much to go into this site. Your URL takes you to a page requiring user name and Password. Nothing would work, even my library card # or user name as they suggested. SOS. Jeannie :) In a message dated 8/30/1999 4:17:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jrcrin001@home.com writes: << Dear Folks, A good place to get cites on Who's Who is at the following address. I found 1,935 Carpenters here! http://galenet.gale.com/a/acp/netacgi/nph-brs?d=BGMI&s1=&s2=Carpenter&s3=&s4=& l=0&pg1=NA&pg2=LN&pg3=FN&pg4=PR%2CSF&p=1&u=%2Fa%2Facp%2Fdb%2Fbgmi%2Fname-searc h.html&r=0&f=S John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA >>

Hi Listmates, I got this from one of the list I'm on. It's great reading. Jean CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions ... the best she was able. He asked of her children... Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some .and write some .. though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp ... its' now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Author Unknown

Bruce - My Carpenters were all carpenters or board bangers as you call them, very skilled and very successful. So context can be important to some of us. Kris

Hmmmm...."hammer and nails" immigrants here were called "joyners", or "joiners". Claudia Cridland

How does one distinguish a patronymic Carpenter >From a hammer and nails carpenter in the English Middle Ages? This is not a trivial question, because unless the problem is well understood, a researcher into Carpenter family history could easily wander off into a kind of ‘carpenter Disneyland’, confusing his would be relatives from a horde of unrelated board-bangers. The original documents written in Latin and Norman French make no distinction. The modern translator-editors of these documents will sometimes try to make the distinction by assigning one individual as a ‘carpenter’ and another as a ‘Carpenter’. This is done by context, when the context is absolutely clear. There are still mistakes galore as you might well imagine. In most cases the editors of Medieval English documents assign everyone as a ‘Carpenter’, sawdust carpenters included, thereby avoiding what is clearly an editor’s nightmare. Enter a happy, and perhaps hapless, Carpenter genealogist who opens a musty volume of English history and is heard in the library stacks exclaiming, “Wow, neat; look at all my ancient relatives!” Our fine-feathered friend proceeds to stitch together all the unrelated hammer and nails carpenters back to Adam and Eve. The factor that separates all the ‘carpenters’ and ‘Carpenters’ is historical context. ‘Carpenter’ by itself is next to worthless. An additional matter to mention is that medieval hammer and saw carpenters could be quite respectable sociologically. A ‘carpenter’ could be attached to an aristocratic household and do very well financially. He could be a landowner of means with many land records to hand down through time to confuse the later researcher like me. Such examples are numerous. At a later date I will introduce my favorite ‘carpenter’ attached to the household of Black Prince John of Gaunt. Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter

Hi list members. I found this web site and thought it might be of interest to the Carpenter researcher's http://www.sanbachs.com/cdi.html Lucy

I am looking for a Joseph Carpenter , (Could be J.O. Carpenter ) and his wife E.C. (could be G) Carpenter. They have 4 children buried in my family cemetary (Reece Family Cemetary - Holmes County Florida). The childrens names are: Joseph O. 2/1/1896 - 4/26/1896 Charles C. 2/2/1903 -11/6/1903 Thoedore R. 2/27/1905 -04/21/1906 Phoebe J. 01/27/1885 - 02/24/1895 They possibly immigrated from Texas somewhere with my G. G. Grandfather Leonadus P. Reece in the mid 1800's. Any information would be appreciated. Evelyn White South Carolina Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com

At 08:47 AM 8/28/99 -0700, Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: >A fine reproduction of Frank Carpenter's >painting "First Reading of the Emancipation >Proclaimation" that hangs in the >capitol, plus a photo of the painter himself, >can be found at www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm. >Please appreciate this most famous Rehoboth Carpenter. >BC Thanks Bruce, I find that he also has a family resemblance....... sorta ...... :) Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html Carpenter Genealogy at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html

----Very nice report Frank's name was Francis Bicknell Carpenter he was a credit to his work and has his his painting habging in The Nat musemn of art in Was. D.C. Thanks Professor

A fine reproduction of Frank Carpenter's painting "First Reading of the Emancipation Proclaimation" that hangs in the capitol, plus a photo of the painter himself, can be found at www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm. Please appreciate this most famous Rehoboth Carpenter. BC

I have the following information: Thomas & Elizabeth Carpenter : 1820 Cabell County WV Census - man & wife age 26-44, one son under 9 1830 Kanawha County WV Census- man & wife 1840 Cabell County WV Census- man & wife age 30-39, 2 girls and one boy 1850 Putnam County WV Census- Thomas not listed, Elizabeth 46, William 15, Virginia 12, Elizabeth 10, Sibba 8, Morris 5 and Ruth 3 Virginia Carpenter married John Porter Carpenter. John Porter Carpenter was the son of Elias Carpenter & Rebecca Laywell. Sibba Carpenter is also referred to in some records as Sidney, Sudna and Subna. Sidney married Abraham Carpenter the brother of John Porter Carpenter. I am searching for the parents of Thomas & Elias Carpenter. I suspect that Thomas is of the Rehoboth line with the daughter named Sudna. The only reference found concerning Elias was the son of Nicholas but no proof. Any help would be appreciated. Jeff Thornton

While searching a site with extracts from Bibles (see address below) I noticed a bible for a JOSEPH CARPENTER 1786-1864 and his wife ANNA was listed. The listing also contains children's names. I thought someone on the list might be interested. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3955/bibles.htm

I have a John C. Carpenter born in SC 1810 , married Elizabeth Sanford in Cobb co GA. Listed on Blount co AL census 1840. On 1860 Palo Pinto co TX census, pulled back into Parker co TX when Indians rampaged. Finally settling in Hood co TX where he lived until death ca 1878. I know this isn't a lot of info but it is all I have at this time, new to Carpenter research. One of my Carpenter cousins told me we were Zimmermans from Germany, from around Mainz on the Rhine River. I would appreciate any suggestions on how I may proceed backwards .

Mathias Carpenter (Zimmerman) was b. in Germany (he had sibs born in PA). His father was jacob Zimmerman who immigrated in the "Roward" in 1753. Jacob was b. 1710 in Germany and d in 1796 in PA. He was married to Catherine Earnhardt of Germany. Mathis left PA for NC in about 1770 or 1771. He died in Ashe (now Watauga Cty) NY Oct. 17, 1835. He is a direct ancestor of my husband through his son, Jacob, and his grandson, David William Carpenter. The name change occurred on the trip from PA to NC. Audrey Annable Franklin Sue\\Robert Carpenter wrote: > Robin Carpenter wrote: > > > > >Dear Ernest and Donny: > > > Are you guys reacting to each other, or are your recent queries > > coincidental? Some months ago I posted queries for any connection between > > Carpenter and Yelverton famiilies. Rod Carpenter provide a clue in citing > > Yelverton Carpenter in NC, who he said was said to have been maybe a son of > > Stephen and brother of Fielding (or maybe the other way around?), perhaps > > from Pennsylvania. (Are on on line, Rod? Am I getting this right?) I made > > a couple of inquiries in PA, to no avail. > > > So Ernest, if you find anything on Yelverton Carpenter's parents I'd > > sure like to know it. Donny, are you only looking in TN? Maybe NC, or even > > PA are possibilities. > > > My own interest in this is that way up in Orange Cty NY there were two > > marriages--a Carpenter-Yelverton and a Carman-Yelverton (Eager's History of > > Orange County) that may or may not have produced a Yelverton Carpenter, and > > may or may not have produced a Carman Carpenter. Various Orange County > > Carpenters (including my own) moved to PA, so if some then moved to NC and > > thence TN there may be connection. Or, maybe just similar names. This gets > > pretty tenuous...but I've tracked down more than one relative on tenuous > > coincidence. > > > Robin > > > > > I have considered for sometime whether Yelverton Carpenter belonged to > my Carpenters who were originally Zimmerman and settled in the Lincoln > Co. area of NC. I even did some supposing in my book CARPENTERS A > PLENTY. Yet proof has eluded us. > > The main clue which has arisen deals with his marriage in Pendleton > District, South Carolina. I have found three Carpenter families living > there in the middle 1790's: > > William Carpenter -- also named Woolrick, Ulrich, Wabrig, etc and signed > his name with a "VZ" mark. He was in Tryon Co. (parent of Lincoln) in > the 1760's and 70's. He left Pendleton District by the 1800 census and > I have not located him. > > Boston Carpenter -- also named Bastian. He was also presumably German. > I located him with a NC Revolutionary claim in the 1780's. I never > found him in the Lincoln Co., NC area. He may be related to the above > mentioned William Carpenter. Boston was in Logan Co., Ky. by 1800 and > then I have lost him again. > > Burwell Carpenter -- migrated to Pendleton District in 1796 from Wake > County, NC. He was not related to the above two Carpenters. His > parents are also unknown. > > I have also seen the mention that Yelverton was somehow related to the > Stephen and Fielding Carpenter families. These Carpenters seem to arise > out of the mountains of NC, Tenn. and VA. without any clues as to where > they came from. I did locate and trace a Matthias Zimmerman (Carpenter) > who was in the mountains of NC, first Stokes County then Yancey County. > His parentage has also not been found. > > Many of the families of Pendleton District, SC had migrated from the > Wilkes, Stokes, Surry County, NC area to SC prior to and just after the > American Revolution. It is possible that Yelverton was part of that > migration which could tie him to the Stephen and Fielding families. > > Unfortunately not many original records from these mountain NC counties > exist which can help our search. > > I am very interested in proving how all these Carpenters fit even if > they do not fit into my families. Please keep me informed about > discoveries. > > Sincerely, > Robert Carpenter

Robin Carpenter wrote: > > >Dear Ernest and Donny: > > Are you guys reacting to each other, or are your recent queries > coincidental? Some months ago I posted queries for any connection between > Carpenter and Yelverton famiilies. Rod Carpenter provide a clue in citing > Yelverton Carpenter in NC, who he said was said to have been maybe a son of > Stephen and brother of Fielding (or maybe the other way around?), perhaps > from Pennsylvania. (Are on on line, Rod? Am I getting this right?) I made > a couple of inquiries in PA, to no avail. > > So Ernest, if you find anything on Yelverton Carpenter's parents I'd > sure like to know it. Donny, are you only looking in TN? Maybe NC, or even > PA are possibilities. > > My own interest in this is that way up in Orange Cty NY there were two > marriages--a Carpenter-Yelverton and a Carman-Yelverton (Eager's History of > Orange County) that may or may not have produced a Yelverton Carpenter, and > may or may not have produced a Carman Carpenter. Various Orange County > Carpenters (including my own) moved to PA, so if some then moved to NC and > thence TN there may be connection. Or, maybe just similar names. This gets > pretty tenuous...but I've tracked down more than one relative on tenuous > coincidence. > > Robin > > I have considered for sometime whether Yelverton Carpenter belonged to my Carpenters who were originally Zimmerman and settled in the Lincoln Co. area of NC. I even did some supposing in my book CARPENTERS A PLENTY. Yet proof has eluded us. The main clue which has arisen deals with his marriage in Pendleton District, South Carolina. I have found three Carpenter families living there in the middle 1790's: William Carpenter -- also named Woolrick, Ulrich, Wabrig, etc and signed his name with a "VZ" mark. He was in Tryon Co. (parent of Lincoln) in the 1760's and 70's. He left Pendleton District by the 1800 census and I have not located him. Boston Carpenter -- also named Bastian. He was also presumably German. I located him with a NC Revolutionary claim in the 1780's. I never found him in the Lincoln Co., NC area. He may be related to the above mentioned William Carpenter. Boston was in Logan Co., Ky. by 1800 and then I have lost him again. Burwell Carpenter -- migrated to Pendleton District in 1796 from Wake County, NC. He was not related to the above two Carpenters. His parents are also unknown. I have also seen the mention that Yelverton was somehow related to the Stephen and Fielding Carpenter families. These Carpenters seem to arise out of the mountains of NC, Tenn. and VA. without any clues as to where they came from. I did locate and trace a Matthias Zimmerman (Carpenter) who was in the mountains of NC, first Stokes County then Yancey County. His parentage has also not been found. Many of the families of Pendleton District, SC had migrated from the Wilkes, Stokes, Surry County, NC area to SC prior to and just after the American Revolution. It is possible that Yelverton was part of that migration which could tie him to the Stephen and Fielding families. Unfortunately not many original records from these mountain NC counties exist which can help our search. I am very interested in proving how all these Carpenters fit even if they do not fit into my families. Please keep me informed about discoveries. Sincerely, Robert Carpenter

I have been corrected that Barbara and Christian were sister and brother. This makes sense and thanks to everyone who emailed me. Martha At 08:12 PM 8/26/99 -0400, Martha Guthrie wrote: >At 05:57 PM 8/26/99 -0600, Linda Hannah wrote: >> Anyway now we will have two of the family proved to be in the >>Revolution!!! > >Who is the other one? I am pretty sure that Barbara Carpenter/Zimmerman's >husband Peter Seitz/Sides is in the patriot rolls but he wasn't a >Carpenter. She is the daughter of Christian. >

At 05:57 PM 8/26/99 -0600, Linda Hannah wrote: > Anyway now we will have two of the family proved to be in the >Revolution!!! Who is the other one? I am pretty sure that Barbara Carpenter/Zimmerman's husband Peter Seitz/Sides is in the patriot rolls but he wasn't a Carpenter. She is the daughter of Christian.

Dear Cousins, Those of you who are related to the above if you are interested in joining the DAR for posterity purposes, I have just found proof that our Jeremiah is considered a Patriot!!! He is listed in "Soldiers, Sailor, and Patriots of the Revolutionary War-Vermont" page 97 "Carpenter, Jeremiah, VT; b.abt. 1714 (actually 18 June 1715) Signer of Declaration 1775; d. 1792; CL-41; OS-15, page 277." Wow! So I looked in the encyclopedia to find what declaration was signed in 1775. I guess he was a representative of Vermont, and signed on "8 July 1775 the Declaration setting forth the need to take up arms and the reasons for doing so." World Book Encyclopedia page 802. Vol 4, 1978. Those two items will get you into DAR if you can prove your relationship to him!!! The only person of Jeremiah's family that is listed in the DAR Patriot Index Centennial Edition Part 1 only shows that "Jonathan b. 1 Nov 1743 RI; May 1815 married to Elizabeth Pratt." He has a CS in VT after his name. Does that mean Citizen Soldier? Was he with the Green Mountain Boys? If you can prove you are related to Jon you can go in on the person's number that did the research on him, just write DAR in Washington and give the information runs $5 to 15 depending on how much they have to copy. Anyway now we will have two of the family proved to be in the Revolution!!! Thought this would be of help to some of you! Remember the DAR gives scholarships to college for children and grandchildren of members. Do it for them!!! Email me if you need suggestions. Linda in Albuq. Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, Stoner, Wollet.