----- I think the professer is not trying to put down the board bangers . But rather trying to make apoint How to tell the difference from the occupation Carpenter ,who prob took on the surname when it was mandatory to have a surname ,compaired to those other carpenters we seek.I myself find it fustrating try to research a carpenter line to go back and find them a Zimmerman. Too bad they would not able to keep there name must have been rough on the kids all of a sudden your a carpenter and no longer a zimmerman . John L Carpenter in NH >Professor Bruce, > > Tsk! Tsk! Ever book you read, every paper you write, every library you >enter is attributable to those timber tossing, board banging, brawny >carpenters many of whom are Carpenters. > >

Dear Laurie, Frank Carpenter was born Francis Bicknell Carpenter. The data below may give you the information you seek. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA +---¦Asaph Harmon CARPENTER-17529 Francis Bicknell CARPENTER-22396 ¦ ¦28 Jun 1800 6 Aug 1830 --------------¦ ¦Pomfret,Windham,CT Homer,,NY ¦ MRIN:6825 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:8239 +---¦Almira CLARK-17528 Augusta Herrick PRENTISS-22911 ¦26 May 1801 Abt 1840 ¦ ,,NY --CHILDREN-- 1Clement DeWitt CARPENTER-39550 2Florence Trumbell CARPENTER-22912 3Herbert Sanford CARPENTER-22913 INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:22396 - ----------------------------------------------------- Name:Francis Bicknell CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth: 6 Aug 1830 Place:Homer,,NY Chr: Place: Marr: 6 Jan 1853 Spouse:Augusta Herrick PRENTISS-22911 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death:23 May 1900 Place:,,NY Burial: Place: Father:Asaph Harmon CARPENTER-17529 Mother:Almira CLARK-17528 Notes --------------------------------------------------- !Number 4313 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 460. Family on page 645 (# 1144). An artist. (portrait painter) Also known as Frank Carpenter, the Artist. MARRIAGE: Alternate Marriage date given: 5 Aug 1851. Extensive notes in book. See also: Dictionary of American Biography, Vol. 2, by A. Johnson, page 510. Which indicates he painted 4 presidents and many other noble Americans. He fell out of favor due to Beecher-Tilton scandal. The last several years of his life he suffered from dropsy, dying in New York on 23 May 1900. Copyright 1995 by Grolier Electronic Publishing, Inc. (Francis painted Pres. Fillmore and did the following:) A 1866 hand-tinted lithograph is titled President Lincoln and His Cabinet, Reading the Emancipation Proclamation. The lithograph was published by Edward Herline (lithography company, active c. 1840-1870), after Francis Bicknell Carpenter and an unidentified artist. (National Portrait Gallery, Smithsonian Institution/Art Resource, NY) !SEE: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4035/fbc.htm Picture and the following: From Frank Carpenter, Six Months at the White House: "It had got to be," [Lincoln told Carpenter], "midsummer, 1862. Things had gone from bad to worse, until I felt we had reached the end of our rope on the plan of operations we had been pursuing; that we had about played our last card, and must change our tactics, or lose the game! I now determined upon the adoption of the emancipation policy; and, without consultation with, or the knowledge of the Cabinet, I prepared the original draft of the proclamation, and, after much anxious thought, called a Cabinet meeting upon the subject. This was the last of July, or the first part of the month of August, 1862." (The exact date he did not remember.) "This Cabinet meeting took place, I think, upon a Saturday. All were present, excepting Mr. Blair, the Postmaster-General, who was absent at the opening of the discussion, but came in subsequently. I said to the Cabinet that I had resolved upon this step, and had not called them together to ask their advice, but to lay the subject-matter of a proclamation before them; suggestions as to which would be in order, after they had heard it read. Mr. Lovejoy," said he, "was in error when he informed you that it excited no comment, excepting on the part of Secretary Seward. Various suggestions were offered. Secretary Chase wished the language stronger in reference to the arming of the blacks. Mr. Blair, after he came in, deprecated the policy, on the ground that it would cost the Administration the fall elections. Nothing, however, was offered that I had not already fully anticipated and settled in my own mind, until Secretary Seward spoke. He said in substance: `Mr. President, I approve of the proclamation, but I question the expediency of its issue at this juncture. The depression of the public mind, consequent on our repeated reverses, is so great that I fear the effect of so important a step. It may be viewed as the last measure of an exhausted government, a cry for help; the government stretching its hand to Ethiopia, instead of Ethiopia stretching her hands to the government.' His idea, said the President, "was that it would be considered our last shriek, on the retreat." (This was his precise expression.) "'Now,' continued Mr. Seward, `while I approve the measure, I suggest, sir, that you postpone its issue, until you can give it to the country supported by military success, instead of issuing it, as would be the case now, upon the greatest disasters of the war.'" Mr. Lincoln continued: "The wisdom of the view of the Secretary of State struck me with very great force. It was an aspect of the case that, in all my thought upon the subject, I had entirely overlooked. The result was that I put the draft of the proclamation aside, as you do your sketch for a picture, waiting for a victory. From time to time I added or changed a line, touching it up here and there, anxiously watching the progress of events. Well the next news we had was of Pope's disaster, at Bull Run. Things looked darker than ever. Finally came the week of the battle of Antietam. I determined to wait no longer. The news came, I think, on Wednesday, that the advantage was on our side. I was then staying at the Soldier's home, (three miles out of Washington.) Here I finished writing the second draft of the preliminary proclamation; came up on Saturday; called the Cabinet together to hear it, and it was published the following Monday." At the final meeting of September 20th, another interesting incident occurred in connection with Secretary Seward. The President had written the important part of the proclamation in these words:-- "That, on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State, or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward and forever FREE; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize the freedom of such persons, and will do no act to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they shall make for their actual freedom." "When I finished reading this paragraph," resumed Mr. Lincoln, "Mr. Seward stopped me, and said, `I think, Mr. President, that you should insert after the word "recognize'" in that sentence, the words "and maintain." Also from Carpenter: Mr. Lincoln thereupon said: "Mr. Thompson, the people of Great Britain, and of other foreign governments, were in one great error in reference to this conflict. They seemed to think that, the moment I was President, I had the power to abolish slavery, forgetting that, before I could have any power whatever, I had to take the oath to support the Constitution of the United States, and execute the laws as I found them. When the Rebellion broke out, my duty did not admit of a question. That was, first, by all strictly lawful means to endeavor to maintain the integrity of the government. I did not consider that I had the right to touch the 'State' institution of 'Slavery' until all other measures for restoring the Union had failed. The paramount idea of the Constitution is the preservation of the Union. It may not be specified in so many words, but that this was the idea of its founders is evident; for, without the Union, the constitution would be worthless. It seems clear, then, that in the last extremity, if any local institution threatened the existence of the Union, the Executive could not hesitate as to his duty. In our case, the moment came when I felt that slavery must die that the nation might live! ... "Many of my strongest supporters urged Emancipation before I thought it indispensible, and, I may say, before I thought the country was ready for it. It is my conviction that, had the proclamation been issued even six months earlier than it was, public sentiment would not have sustained it... A man watches his pear-tree day after day, impatient for the ripening of the fruit. Let him attempt to force the process, and he may spoil both fruit and tree. But let him patiently wait, and the ripe pear at length falls into his lap! We have seen this great revolution in public sentiment slowly but surely progressing, so that, when final action came, the opposition was not strong through to defeat the purpose. I can now solemnly assert," he concluded, "that I have a clear conscience in regard to my action on this momentous question. I have done what no man could have helped doing, standing in my place." end notes. *************************************** LorenMC1@aol.com wrote: > > Yikes!!! Could all this "discussion" about physical appearances uncovered a > clue to my elusive Carpenter couple Ira and Adelia (Cook) Carpenter? The only > "historical" tidbit the family has maintained was that somehow this Carpenter > couple had a connection somehow with Lincoln and Adelia had gone to Lincoln's > inaugural ball. > Can anyone tell me about this Frank Carpenter from the page Bruce and Chuck > provided? (http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm)?? > > Now for a little fun......I live in No. Attleboro, MA (once a part of > Rehoboth). My children are Carpenters multiple times over...My Paternal gr > grandmother was a Rehoboth Carpenter......she was a "good sized" woman and > had the thickest ankles I've ever seen! Her father George was huge, rotund > and a farmer as most of the Rehoboth to Cumberland branch was. > My mother descends from the Providence branch and I don't know details of > their physical appearance. My mother-in-law descends from the same branch. My > father-in-law is a Carpenter tho I have yet to find his origins (see Ira and > Adelia above). My father-in-law is of slight build (5'10) about 165 and > small boned. He is an intellectual (a Phd) but prefers his life in the farm > country of New England and has the best organic garden and compost you've > ever seen! > So with my children having Carpenter blood from all grandparents...I'll get > back to you in 10 years when their full grown to let you know which > description they favor! > Any info on Frank the painter out there??? > Laurie Carpenter

> >Many people often thought my cousin was my dad's son. Me, I'm 5'2", a >medium build. Funny how genes go.... I need to look at the pictures >Chuck and Bruce are describing and see if there are any similarities... Yes yes but you didn't mention how much you weigh ? I didn't provide the url , Bruce did....... And I wonder how many other Carpenters have a fascination with dead stuff ;) Cuz Chuck ( Sorry MC, I had to) Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html Carpenter Genealogy at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html

My father was a well built man, just over 6 ft. and what I call "square" built. His only brother looked much like Dad in the face and was also tall, but slim. Yet this man's son, my cousin, is a dead-ringer for my dad! He's even bigger - very a large build overall. Many people often thought my cousin was my dad's son. Me, I'm 5'2", a medium build. Funny how genes go.... I need to look at the pictures Chuck and Bruce are describing and see if there are any similarities... Two or three of my dad's sisters were short and thin. The others were "stocky", well built. This may have come from our Pommerich side (grandma was a pretty rotund German woman!). A comment on Carpenters who were/are carpenters by trade. My father, Clarence Frank ("Carpy") Carpenter was a self-taught carpenter. He always took great pride in having a profession the same as his name. Even if we did not originally descend from such tradesmen, I am very proud to have a name that also has been a profession in my family (at least once). It makes for a great conversation piece as well. :) I wonder how many others out there have carpenters by trade in their line? Mary === Mary C. Carpenter Quaternary Studies Program "Where Death is Just the Beginning!" NAU Box 5644 Northern Arizona University Flagstaff, AZ 86011 Ph. (520) 523-1718 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

In a message dated 9/2/99 2:20:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrcrin001@home.com writes: << Name:Francis Bicknell CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth: 6 Aug 1830 Place:Homer,,NY Chr: Place: Marr: 6 Jan 1853 Spouse:Augusta Herrick PRENTISS-22911 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death:23 May 1900 Place:,,NY >> Thanks so much John! I ran a search for a Frank B. Carpenter and came up with 1860 Livingston County (No. Dansville) N.Y........further down the page was an Ira Carpenter in Livingston County (Conesus)! I'm wondering aloud..... I do know Ira had some connection at one point to shipping on Lake Erie...and I have a son William born to he and Adelia in NY in 1847 (no town given on death cert) . Wow..maybe this was the break I needed!! Again thanks for your response, John! Anyone know anything of the livingstone County NY Carpenters? Laurie

At 09:04 PM 9/1/1999 -0700, Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: >Dearest Carpenters: >As I mentioned previously, the vast, vast majority >of present English Carpenters are dscendants of timber tossing carpenters of >trade. >They surely must be well built. However the Rehoboth >and Providence Carpenters are descendants of landowners >and merchants. These were people who used their brains and >not their brawn. My Carpenters are all tall, thin boned with >fine chisled facial features. They (including myself) were never in >love with physical work, even on the farm. In the Carpenter Memorial, >on p. 376, is a picture of Philo Carpenter. He seems to me to be >the classic Carpenter. Take a look at the two on p. 163. >A classic Carpenter is Frank Carpenter, whose fine photo can >be found at www.geocities.com/fbc.htm. A much more interesting >question would have been, "Were the Carpenter ladies well built"? > >For the record, the reason I don't accept a DeMelun >origin for the Herefordshire Carpenters is not >that I dislike the DeMeluns, but rather the evidence that >supports the connection is a sham. It is the nature >of my profession to assign an "F" for lousy homework and >an "A" for well done homework. Simple as that. > >Sincerely, >Bruce Carpenter > The URL posted above does not work for me but the one below does. http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm From a personal observation. I am descended from the Rehoboth clan. I grew up in Barrington, RI which was once part of Rehoboth. I am more closely related to Bruce Carpenter than any other Carpenter on the list. We follow the same path from William down to Stephen Carpenter and Martha Hunt. The observation is: I am small boned and 5'8" tall but have the 29.5 inseam as Tony mentions.. maybe it's 30". ALL the Carpenters I have ever met were small boned with the exception of my son who is large boned, 6' and 265 lbs. The biggest Carpenter I know :) Frank Carpenter( The Painter ) bears a strong resemblance to my family and a lot of other Carpenters I have known. All of them were very intelligent and worked hard, but not "heavy" laborers. They were all "artistic" in some way and yes a little eccentric :) And they all loved women, "well built" or not :) Chuck Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html Carpenter Genealogy at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html

Yikes!!! Could all this "discussion" about physical appearances uncovered a clue to my elusive Carpenter couple Ira and Adelia (Cook) Carpenter? The only "historical" tidbit the family has maintained was that somehow this Carpenter couple had a connection somehow with Lincoln and Adelia had gone to Lincoln's inaugural ball. Can anyone tell me about this Frank Carpenter from the page Bruce and Chuck provided? (http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm)?? Now for a little fun......I live in No. Attleboro, MA (once a part of Rehoboth). My children are Carpenters multiple times over...My Paternal gr grandmother was a Rehoboth Carpenter......she was a "good sized" woman and had the thickest ankles I've ever seen! Her father George was huge, rotund and a farmer as most of the Rehoboth to Cumberland branch was. My mother descends from the Providence branch and I don't know details of their physical appearance. My mother-in-law descends from the same branch. My father-in-law is a Carpenter tho I have yet to find his origins (see Ira and Adelia above). My father-in-law is of slight build (5'10) about 165 and small boned. He is an intellectual (a Phd) but prefers his life in the farm country of New England and has the best organic garden and compost you've ever seen! So with my children having Carpenter blood from all grandparents...I'll get back to you in 10 years when their full grown to let you know which description they favor! Any info on Frank the painter out there??? Laurie Carpenter

Professor Bruce, Tsk! Tsk! Ever book you read, every paper you write, every library you enter is attributable to those timber tossing, board banging, brawny carpenters many of whom are Carpenters.

Dearest Carpenters: As I mentioned previously, the vast, vast majority of present English Carpenters are dscendants of timber tossing carpenters of trade. They surely must be well built. However the Rehoboth and Providence Carpenters are descendants of landowners and merchants. These were people who used their brains and not their brawn. My Carpenters are all tall, thin boned with fine chisled facial features. They (including myself) were never in love with physical work, even on the farm. In the Carpenter Memorial, on p. 376, is a picture of Philo Carpenter. He seems to me to be the classic Carpenter. Take a look at the two on p. 163. A classic Carpenter is Frank Carpenter, whose fine photo can be found at www.geocities.com/fbc.htm. A much more interesting question would have been, "Were the Carpenter ladies well built"? For the record, the reason I don't accept a DeMelun origin for the Herefordshire Carpenters is not that I dislike the DeMeluns, but rather the evidence that supports the connection is a sham. It is the nature of my profession to assign an "F" for lousy homework and an "A" for well done homework. Simple as that. Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter

Dear Folks, Tony has a sense of "humour" ... TC- "Do you keep a troshin" is a local Norfolk saying. It comes from the days when the peasants spent their days picking up stones off the fields for the Farmer, It meant "do you keep a going". JRC- Keep on Trucking - 18 & 4 Wheeler version. "Keep Tromping" is another version popular at the turn of the century and was even in a popular song "Tromp Tromp Tromp!" TC- Here is another saying "Hold you hard" I had great fun with that one when I answered the Phone in the USA. have a guess at that. JRC- Anybody got a guess for that? JRC- My favorite English phrase is "Come on by and knock me up." It means come on by my house and knock on my door! Here is another few pages of Tony carpenter's material. ***************************************************** By Tony Carpenter in the UK Part 2 -----any family that has survived from the early days of history has this determination to bond. Why ask you do you want to find your ancestors and living relations, why are trying to contact each other does it give you a comfortable feeling of security to know there is many of us in this world left to progress the family forward through to many generations of the new Millennium. Man has been blessed with the urge to be creative it is a driving force that sets us apart from others in the animal kingdom. The human race has develop in all respects from this, The creation of the family as we no it today, to the conquest of outer space, comes from this driving force. When this urge is diminished as in some branches of a family they fade away from history, as will the human race when it losses the ability to be creative it will turn on its self and destroy all that has been constructed over the generations. I am happy and contented that my particular branch of the Carpenters is still branching out to occupy several generations to come and are blessed with the creative desire, and I hope that there are many others doing the same. A thousand years of one Family's history. What will be the consequence of this information on today's generation? Pride, shame, guilt, or an attempt to find the answer to the old age question "Who am I and why do I look and act in the way I do." Can genealogy explain these questions? How do we put it in a form that can be analysed so a conclusion can be reached? Can we rely on ancient documents and other records to give us an insight of our ancestors in a given period of time, or by studying the history of the period. We have to, as it is the only reference available to us, but we must always understand that all material is open to interpretation. The CARPENTER Family has been researched back to the 10th century and traced to the French family of Melun. There are many branches of the tree and some seventy thousand names are included in the database. This book is only looking at my line that has been researched by my late brother and I, working together for over fifteen years, plus associated branches of interest. I have decided that our work should now be recorded and distributed in the year of the millennium, a thousand years of one family. I will try to explain in plain English what effect it has had on my family and me. The name of Carpenter comes from the Crusading French Knight, the Viscount de Melun born about 1042. He was nicknamed "The Carpenter" "because of the weighty strokes of his battle axe in battle." The great strength and axe were associated with the carpenter's trade. "No weapon could [opponents' weapons that is] be found that could withstand the power of his strikes. The heaviness of his weapons resulted of him being feared in combats". Carpenters of the time must have been among the most "well built people" Let us look at this last paragraph "well built people". Today the family are still well built and strong, our average height is 5ft 10inches, Chest 44inches, inside leg measurement 29 1/2 inches, You must have the inside leg measurement to be a true Carpenter, a standing joke in the family. Where did this saying originate? I can remember my father saying it, and I have repeated it to my grandchildren. So can we surmise that physical attributes as well as family sayings can be passed down from generation to generation? At the age of seventy I can remember five generations of our family. I spent some time in Orlando Florida USA. The condominium complex we were living in was managed by a Carpenter, Evelyn Garrison. She remarked to me that I looked just like one of her uncles, she showed some old pictures and sure enough there was the Family Likeness including the white beard that I have. She introduced me to one of her grandchildren who was almost identical in appearance to one of my brother Denis's children. It would seem that our physical make up has been handed down through the Generations. Only today I was looking across the park to where my grandchildren were playing, and for an instant I thought that the eldest grandson was my son [his father]. I believe this true in most families even when a child is young someone will say he is the spitting image of so. Photographs will show the similarity of appearance later in the book. Again I would like you to think on this have you ever thought you had been at a place before? It has happen to me twice in my life. I once went to the town of Byfleet and it felt so familiar to me, I knew I had not been there before. It was not until we trace the family that I found several of my ancestors had lived and died there and they were resting in the churchyard. The other time is when I served in the Army in Palestine and Malta I felt that I knew the country and the people. I cannot explain this in a way that you will believe but I am sure I am not the only one amongst us who have had these feelings. Am I proud of being associated with a Crusading Knight? I know of one member of the family, a historian, who is trying to disassociate us from this connection, "a mass murderer" I must admit when I read the history of the crusades, I was horrified at the extent of the killing and cruelty. Should I feel shame, should I hide the connection? Definitely not. A family history must show a true record of its roots, warts and all, it is not up for censorship. So we have Saints and Sinners in the family, light and dark. As an artist I know that you must have contrast in your picture to show the full beauty of the subject. Every family has it black sheep, and we must not judge our ancestors on the morals of today. Only the strong survived in the early days of history, and it helped if you were a Knight or a Bishop, and we had both in the family. Can you alter history we know we cannot but only learn from it but do we? I think not; our arm forces are still sent out to crusade by the politicians to right the wrongs in their eyes. Have we changed? We will start our family tree from William The Carpenter, but will included his conceivable ancestors from 920. I will try to write this book so you the reader find it interesting and informative, and in plain English. I hope it might help you understand who you are and explain why you act and have ways of behaving which are quite natural to you; but in other people's eyes be a little eccentric. Lets start at the beginning as good as place as any. The French town of Melun is believed to be our family seat. Caesar said of Melun that it was a town of great importance. The Normans sack the town in 845. And it was siege in the year of 1429-30 by Charles the VII. Severely damaged in 1944. A Prefecture and market Town. The ancient town expanded from an island in the river of the Seine very close too the Forrest of Fontainnebleau and the castle of Vaux {c 1615-61} It has two very old churches. Known through its history for the production of the famous French cheese Brei and Beauce. also glass, pottery, leather and sugar refining. King Hughes Capet gave Melun to his favourite Bouchard. In the reign of Robert Eudes the count of Champagne bought the town. It was taken back by the King in the year of 999 it had been sold by Le Chateleen and his wife they did not profit long as the king had them hung. A sad end for an estate agent though, I know some of you would agree with this punishment. Josselin I. was the first of the line, that has been traced to date, named Viscount of Melun, born 920. He gave the village Noisy-le-Sec to the monastery of Saint Maur-des-Fossez. He then took up the monk's habit that is where he died on the 19 March in Year of 998 or 999. His death caused a feud between the Manasses who took the side of Le Chatelian, who was his grandson and his rightful heir Herve. The following line is the best guess to date from all the information we have at hand to date, a list of all documents researched will be noted at the end of this book. I ask the reader to get from his mind that travelling any distance was not as simple as it is to day, they had no cars to jump in and go on to a motorway, Because the family was based on the river Seine it gave them a highway to travel abroad. Descendants of Josselin I DE Melun to be continued ...

Dear Pat, I was at the local FHC today and got the information from the book... Carpenters A Plenty Copyright 1982 by Robert C. Carpenter - Permission to reproduce in any form may be secured from the author. Robert C. Carpenter Rt. 1, Box 218-A Bessemer City, NC 28016 Carpenters A Plenty Library of Congress Catalogue Card Number 82-83269 Published for the author by Gateway Press, Inc. 111 Walter Street Baltimore, MD 21202 I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Pat Hobson wrote: > > Can someone let me know how I can get a copy of the "Carpenters a' Plenty" > book? TIA Pat Hobson > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear Tech Support, The site had good references for genealogy. I wish it wasn't a fluke, in the sense of having "guest" access. I guess I should have stayed there longer! Thank you, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA TechnicalSupport@galegroup.com wrote: > > Dear John, > > Thank you for your report and a copy of the URL. You probably should > not have gotten access, and I hope it was only a "fluke." GaleNet databases > are sold only to libraries and offered to the public on > the library's computer workstations. Some libraries also provide their > patrons with the URLs and passwords to access GaleNet from home computers > connected to the Internet . In either case you need to get the correct > information from a local public or school library which subscribes to > GaleNet. > > If you are a representative of a Library, Academic Institution, or > Business, and are in the capacity to evaluate and purchase databases on > behalf of your employer, we would be happy to provide you with product > information, trial access, and pricing. Please call 1-800-877-4253 and > select option 2. > > If you are a student, public library patron, or corporate employee, and > would like to see Gale Group products offered by your organization, > please contact your library's acquisitions department or electronic > services > department and let them know about Gale Group databases. > > The name of the database you accessed is: > > Biography and Geneaology Master Index (BGMI) > > You can find information about it and other GaleNet databases at the Gale > Group website URL: > > http://www.galegroup.com/library/resrcs/catalog/bgmi.htm > > Thank you for your interest in products of The Gale Group. > > GaleNet Technical Support/be > The Gale Group > > CUSTOMER SERVICE: > email: CustomerService@galegroup.com > phone: 800-877-4253 option 3 > (Mon-Fri, 8 am to 8 pm Eastern time > 5 am to 5 pm Pacific time) > > ===================================================== > > John Carpenter <jrcrin001@home.com> on 08/31/99 04:24:16 PM > > To: TechSupp/GRI/International Thomson Publishing > cc: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com, Jeannabee@aol.com, PaWZake@aol.com, > agauld@gtii.com > > Subject: "guest access?" Who's Who > > Dear Tech Support, > > I do not know how it was done, but I entered your system without a valid > password or ID. I believe I used a search program using "Who's Who" key > word search. One of the options allowed me into your system bypassing > your entry level. > > Was this some type of guest program? > > In trying to regain access I could not get in. > > Please advise if I can regain "guest" access or if this was just a > fluke. There was a lot of nifty Carpenter data (1,935 Carpenter cites > in Who's Who) that I did not finish citing. Other Carpenter Researchers > are curious also! > > I bookmarked the following line ... > > http://galenet.gale.com/a/acp/netacgi/nph-brs?d=BGMI&s1=&s2=Carpenter&s3=&s > 4=&l=0&pg1=NA&pg2=LN&pg3=FN&pg4=PR%2CSF&p=1&u=%2Fa%2Facp%2Fdb%2Fbgmi%2Fname > -search.html&r=0&f=S > > Thank you, > > John R. Carpenter > La Mesa, CA

Help! Some may recall I've been seeking a full-text transcription or copy of the 1732 will of John Carpenter of Jamaica NY. NY wills before 1787 are stored at Albany; wills after 1787 are retained at the county surrogate courts. So this one should be at Albany. But the Albany archivist doesn't find it at "Liber C p. 143" as cited in "Ancestry & Descendants of Col. Solomon Carpenter" for this will. So maybe it was re-classified when transferred to the capital. Or maybe it wasn't transferred from Jamaica as it should have been. I guess I'll re-try Queens County tomorrow...but in the meantime, does anyone have some different or additional info or citation of where-the-heck to find this will? Robin

-----I think this is a problem with aol it is a hackers paradice never fill out the personal info as to your idenity Most passwords are common dates like birthdays anniversaries etc I have been on this list for at least 3 yrs never had a offer like that or similar spam. I know the list owner he would never ever sell out names and e-mail to others.

Charlotte: I believe that the trash mail is "spam". I am on *Prodigy and I have had the problem too and I don't on another email service. I think that the spammers find someone who allows their address to be used to dump the trash into mailboxes. I don't think its intended to target any special group(s). But I guess the spammers also get addresses from people who request to be taken off the list (which tells them its a viable address) --- I just forward the junk mail to the asst.postmaster at *P and they work to eliminate that sender. Write to AOL and ask them how to get your address blocked or the trash junk mailers blocked. Still liking this list -- keep it short with no attachments please!!!! Marilyn

Dear Tech Support, I do not know how it was done, but I entered your system without a valid password or ID. I believe I used a search program using "Who's Who" key word search. One of the options allowed me into your system bypassing your entry level. Was this some type of guest program? In trying to regain access I could not get in. Please advise if I can regain "guest" access or if this was just a fluke. There was a lot of nifty Carpenter data (1,935 Carpenter cites in Who's Who) that I did not finish citing. Other Carpenter Researchers are curious also! I bookmarked the following line ... http://galenet.gale.com/a/acp/netacgi/nph-brs?d=BGMI&s1=&s2=Carpenter&s3=&s4=&l=0&pg1=NA&pg2=LN&pg3=FN&pg4=PR%2CSF&p=1&u=%2Fa%2Facp%2Fdb%2Fbgmi%2Fname-search.html&r=0&f=S Thank you, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA

Does anyone know why I am receiving trash mail advertisements since joining this forum? Are they selling our addresses to "Teen Nude Picture" vendors. It is enough to make someone leave the forum. I never received this before. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Thanks Charlotte Carpenter Johnson Novi, Michigan

I am trying to locate information on this couple who were married in Lake Co., Ohio on 28 Dec 1865. They may have left that area. SAMUEL N. ATWOOD and AGNES R. CARPENTER Beyond the fact that they were married on the aforementioned date, and that they had at least one son, William T. (bc 1872 Lakes Co.) It is possible the "N." in Samuel's name may have stood for "Nicholas" and he may have gone by that name at times. I know nothing of them, but I feel this marriage may hold a clue to a family puzzle that I have been working to solve for nearly ten years. Perhaps if someone has access to an 1870 census of Lake Co. they would be so kind as to keep an eye out for this family? They were not in the 1880 census, so they may have left that area between 1872 and 1880. I would appreciate any help on this search. Thanks so much in advance. Kathy Atwood

If anyone needs the info, I have many of the descendants of Mary Carpenter VOIERS, daughter of Joseph Carpenter Jr of Botetourt Co., VA. She was born some time around 1760, married in Botetourt Co. to Robert VIORS/VIERS/VIARS, moved from there to Greenbrier Co., VA/WV and then on to Lewis Co., Ky where they raised their family and were buried. Sue

Can someone let me know how I can get a copy of the "Carpenters a' Plenty" book? TIA Pat Hobson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com