Looking for any info on the parentage and ancestory of Elisha CARPENTER, b. 28 Aug 1721 Attleborough, MA; m. 15 Mar 1744 , to Anna WHITAKER[b. 30 Oct 1707 Rehoboth, MA d/o Daniel ,( b. 10 May 1679 )and Mary CHAFFEE WHITAKER} Elisha is #161 in Carpenter Memorial and was a Baptist minister. TIA , Sharon Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > .... The following is > Calendar of Close Rolls entry for May 16, 1393: > > “John Carpenter of Lavenham ‘draper’ the elder, John Carpenter of Lavenham > ‘draper’ the younger and Thomas Corby of Lavenham ‘fuller’ to Richard Grace > citizen of London and Thomas his son. Recognisance for 20 L. to be levied > etc. in Suffolk. > Defeasance thereof, upon condition that they pay 10 marks on each of the > days named.” > > In a December 7, 139l entry: > > “Memorandum of a mainprise under a pain of 100 L., made in chancery 6 > December this year by Thomas atte Stone of Haddeley, Richard Clerke of > Kersey, John Dyster, Robert Berte, both of Kersey, Robert atte Mede of Ylle, > John Huberd, William Page, both of Ylle, Robert Barewe of Bildeston and > Robert Carpenter of Lavenham, for themselves and each for other under the > same pain, that they shall do or procure no hurt or harm to Richard Walton > of Bishops Lenne, and shall make no unlawful assemblies which tend to > disturbance of the people or breach of the peace.” > > Lavenham is about half way between Norwich and London. In the above we have > reference to all three Carpenter brothers mentioned in the 1441 will of John > Carpenter Town Clerk of London. Both brothers in the same trade indicate a > family run business. Notice the ‘fuller’ mentioned in the same document, > suggesting a possible large-scale production of wool cloth. In an October > 26, 1389 entry one of the brothers appears with an extremely interesting > associate. What is your proof that this John the elder, John the younger, and Robert Carpenter of Lavenham are brothers and identical to the men by the same name in London? John and Robert are very common names, even at this early date. Terry Carpenter

Not to many skirt up here . I like to go to the beach a lot I bring my binoculars

The original inspiration of my Carpenter historical research was to discover the beginnings of what seemed a family tradition of weaving, wool production and cloth manufacture. In my own Carpenter line, this tradition ended only in the early 1800s, with large-scale industrial cloth manufacture. Both Rehoboth and Providence Williams brought sheep husbandry to New England, while subsequent Carpenters, in and around the Blackstone River Valley, made significant contributions to the cloth manufacturing industry. I made the choice to begin my inquiry with John Carpenter Town Clerk of London, with the hopes that his historical visibility would afford me just a glimpse of his family and possibly his ethnic origins. All the individuals connected with the civil government in London of the period were of wealthy merchant families. Town Clerk John, I reasoned, should not have been an exception. I was pleasantly surprised to discover a wealth of documents dealing with a network of non-English Carpenters in the 1200s and 1300s, all involved with overseas trade. My first discovery was the wine trade connection, and this was no surprise because a great volume of foreign trade at the time was with wine. The other great commodity of the age was wool and it’s associated products. Finally I was pleasantly surprised the discover material which points to Town Clerk John’s family connections to wool manufacture. Slowly I gathered the scattered documents relating to the wool problem and wish to publish them. Before I introduce these documents, a bit of historical background is in order. In medieval England the manufacturers of wool cloth were called “drapers”. In the 1300s they rise to economic and political prominence and by the 1400s they controlled the London government. In the 1300s the English Crown actively recruited foreign, and chiefly Flemish, technological help in advancing the English manufacture of wool cloth. A great many Flemings moved into the Norfolk, Suffork and Essex area. By 1400 England had displaced Flanders in this industry. Two great centers of cloth production emerged; one in Bristol and upland river areas, which exported to Gascony, and another in London which exported to the Low Countries and elsewhere. These cities are not the actual places of manufacture, but rather the brokerage locations. Any Carpenter connection to the river systems emptying into the Bristol Channel will come as no surprise to us, because Hereford, Worcester and Gloustershire all have their connections to known Carpenters in history. The London side of the problem has always been a mystery. Yes, the Town Clerk lived in London. But what were the Carpenters doing there prior to him? The first account we have of the Town Clerk, by Thomas Brewer of the City School of London in the 1800s, offers us no hints prior to John Carpenters appointment in 1417. John was probably 47 years of age at this point. Mr. Brewer suggests that John had previous employment as a legal clerk and connected legal training at the Inns of Court. That all may have been, but nothing excludes the possibility that John Carpenter could have been in guild connected business in his youth. Indeed common sense dictates that this was so, because all the London Mayors and all the aldermen were such individuals. Why should John Carpenter be an exception? The following is Calendar of Close Rolls entry for May 16, 1393: “John Carpenter of Lavenham ‘draper’ the elder, John Carpenter of Lavenham ‘draper’ the younger and Thomas Corby of Lavenham ‘fuller’ to Richard Grace citizen of London and Thomas his son. Recognisance for 20 L. to be levied etc. in Suffolk. Defeasance thereof, upon condition that they pay 10 marks on each of the days named.” In a December 7, 139l entry: “Memorandum of a mainprise under a pain of 100 L., made in chancery 6 December this year by Thomas atte Stone of Haddeley, Richard Clerke of Kersey, John Dyster, Robert Berte, both of Kersey, Robert atte Mede of Ylle, John Huberd, William Page, both of Ylle, Robert Barewe of Bildeston and Robert Carpenter of Lavenham, for themselves and each for other under the same pain, that they shall do or procure no hurt or harm to Richard Walton of Bishops Lenne, and shall make no unlawful assemblies which tend to disturbance of the people or breach of the peace.” Lavenham is about half way between Norwich and London. In the above we have reference to all three Carpenter brothers mentioned in the 1441 will of John Carpenter Town Clerk of London. Both brothers in the same trade indicate a family run business. Notice the ‘fuller’ mentioned in the same document, suggesting a possible large-scale production of wool cloth. In an October 26, 1389 entry one of the brothers appears with an extremely interesting associate. “John son of Michael de Bures to Thomas de Swynbourne knight, William Skrene, John Conors, Rodger Cavendyssh, William rule and Robert Risby, and to the heirs and assigns of Robert Risby. Charter with warranty of all his lands, rents and services in Lavenham, Cokefeld, Preston and Thorpmurieux, with wards, marriages etc. thereto belonging. Witnesses: John Rocwode, Lawrence Porterose, Thomas atte Tye, Alan Wellynge, Peter Everard, Robert Cooke, John Carpenter. Dated Lavenham, Tuesday after St. Hilary 13 Richard ll.” Witnesses in dispositions are always men of importance and wealth in a community. The name Robert Cooke that appears next to John Carpenter is another member of a ‘draper’ family and the most famous one in English history. Robert Cooke’s son Thomas (d. 1478) became the mayor of London (see his entry in the Dictionary of National Biography). The family was fabulously wealthy, influential in national and international affairs and finance. Thomas was a mover and shaker in London right at the time John Carpenter the younger established himself in city government. (to be continued) Bruce E. Carpenter

Yes, I like girls. George R. P.S. It is with great effort that I resist asking about hairy chests. If you read this, please pretend you didn't! :--) ---------- > From: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Carpenter testosterone > Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 4:42 PM > > In respect to the prostate carcinoma > discussion, I once had a chat with C.A. Carpenter > and we concluded that one characteristic of at least our > line from Samuel,was they were all skirt-chasers, > indicative of high levels of male hormone. Testosterone > is the great complicating factor in the > prostate problem. > > How about the rest of ya Carpenter fellas? Any > skirt-chasers among ya, like me and Chuck? > > Professor Carpenter >

Just to get in both sides, my ancestors always referred to the war to which you allude as the War of the Rebellion. Especially strong in this regard were those who were members of the Grand Army of the Republic and its women's auxiliary. (Heh-heh-heh!) George R. ---------- > From: LouisSMU@aol.com > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Texas Carpenters > Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 11:05 AM > > Dear Pat, > > As I am sure many will tell you in responding, Southern Carpenters are much > harder to trace as the records are not as intact as our Yankee kin. See, > this little skirmish known as the War of Northern Aggression caused all type > of havoc with record keeping. Also, we were busy settling the frontier, > while our northern cousins sat around making things. > > On a more serious note, I have been working on Isaac Carpenter of NC clan (b. > 1764, d. 1837). He was a RS. To date, his ancestry has always been a > mystery although the group I am researching with is getting closer to > unlocking the mystery. Family legend and a great deal of misinformation on > the Net shows "William Fauntleroy Carpenter" to be the father of Isaac > linking them to the Cornwall Carpenters of Dr. Nathaniel Carpenter of VA and > his brother Corynden Carpenter of Cornwall who left a substantial fortune. > My cousin, Donna Jo Wright, along with others hired Peter Wilson Coldham to > research this problem when an affidavit of David Carpenter, son of Isaac, > surfaced in a trunk in the early 1980's. This affidavit was an attempt to > claim Corynden's fortune although the Chancery court denied the claim for > lack of evidence. This research is published in an article by Coldham in the > National Genealogical Society Quarterly. I believe it is in the Winter 1985 > edition. Our research has led me to believe that Isaac is a descendant of > the Tidewater Carpenters. I hope to publish an article on this research > someday. > > As far as Texas Carpenters, one of Isaac's many sons, Jesse Carpenter, > migrated to Chambers Co., AL with his father-in-law, William Threadgill, then > on to Pike Co. AL near Troy where he was very successful, owning over 800 > acres, a cotton gin, grist mill. Five of his sons fought for the > Confederacy. My great grandfather Coleman Nathaniel was in the 15th AL and > captured at Gettysburg where he was interned at Pea Pod Island until the end > of the war. > > After the War Between the States, Coleman Nathaniel, Mahone, Andrew, and > other brothers GTT (Gone to Texas), like everyone else did. Andrew went to > Concho Co, Mahone to Hamilton then to Burnet Co., and Cole to Coryell Co. > Mahone and Cole are buried with their families in the Copperas Cove Cemetery > in Coryell Co. > > Hope this provides you with some "Southern Carpenter" info. > > Louis Carpenter >

Pat, So far as I know, my only Texas relatives descend from "Uncle Elmer." Elmer was born to James CARPENTER and Eliza or Elizabeth Jane SWEET, both of Madison County, NY. Around 1860 or so, James and his family moved to Indiana (for a short time), then to Michigan, where the eldest son, Francis Adelbert, stayed to have and raise his family. James and his troop moved on to Wabasha County, Minnesota (Plainview area). From there, the family eventually continued west. James had a son, Osmer Harold, who went to South Dakota. He was my great grandfather. He was also a barber! James had another son, Elmer (the 1870 census in Wabasha Co. spelled it Aylmer), who married Emma PLUM and supposedly had 6 children. I have some information on them. According to my father, "Uncle Elmer was a Texan. He came to south Dakota to visit once after many years of absence." Pop remembers it quite clearly. Apparently, for whatever reason, Elmer ended up in some part of Texas. That is all I know about him. I would sure like to know more. George --- George R. Carpenter Pinckney, Michigan carpgl@ismi.net ---------- > From: prechan@sirinet.net > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Texas Carpenters > Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 10:31 AM > > I have sat here , reading all messages for several months , very > patiently waiting for Southern Carpenters to appear. I don't suppose > there were any, other than mine :) > > I have a John C. Carpenter b SC 1810 , married Elizabeth Sanford in Cobb > co GA...migrated west living first in Blount co AL , then settling on > the frontier of TX , Palo Pinto co by 1860. In the late sixties there > was an uprising of the Indians and the settlers pulled back across the > Brazos River into Parker co TX. By 1878 the Carpenters had settled in > Hood co TX where my family lived until the 1940's. > > I would like to find the parents of John C Carpenter, also to find out > if his family were originally Zimmermans. > > BTW John C Carpenter was also a builder, built the first jail in Palo > Pinto co , and the pews for the Baptist church. His son William Sanford > Carpenter , my 2nd GGF was a Sheriff but William's son was a barber . > John C also had another son who was a barber. > > Thanks for any help or suggestions. > > Pat in Lawton, OK >

John, Much of my original information about my ancestors (all lines) comes from my father. Born in 1914, as a youngster he had no radio or television or movies for entertainment, but he had grandfathers who loved to tell him about "the olden times." He says that after supper, they would gather around the stove on a South Dakota winter night, and Pop would say, "Grampa and Gramma, tell us about the olden times." The two "old folks" would chuckle, and Grandpa would launch into it with gusto. Pop has remembered an amazing amount of the material from those evenings, and I have proved a lot, and not disproved a thing so far. You mention sharing the stories with younger folk, and I think this is really important for us to do *on purpose* for our kids and grandkids. Not surprisingly, I have inherited my Pop's love for the stories of the olden times, and have a degree in history and a stack of family stories to show for it. George --- George R. Carpenter Pinckney, Michigan carpgl@ismi.net ---------- > We all should all beware of our history and make sure the young know it > also. > > John R. Carpenter > La Mesa, CA

Jerry, I still don't know how my family ties in to the major lines, if they do at all. This is because of old John b. 1797 in VT, as I call him. My father and I discussed this is depth. Many family members have searched for his ancestor(s), to no avail. We decided that maybe he was just such a jerk that nobody wanted to talk about him, or to him, so he ended up not leaving much behind except a big family that didn't like him. I hope that's not the way it was, but in the pioneer days, heading west made lots of sense for such a person. Still looking, anyhow. George R. ---------- > I have some indication that the generation of Nicholas > (8093) was autocratic, severe and alienated most of his sons. Some > documents lead me to believe that his was a most dysfunctional family. > > Jerry Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "C.A.Carpenter ( Chuck's Wood-Knots)" wrote: > > > At 09:04 PM 9/1/1999 -0700, Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > >Dearest Carpenters: > > >As I mentioned previously, the vast, vast majority > > >of present English Carpenters are dscendants of timber tossing carpenters of > > >trade. > > >They surely must be well built. However the Rehoboth > > >and Providence Carpenters are descendants of landowners > > >and merchants. These were people who used their brains and > > >not their brawn. My Carpenters are all tall, thin boned with > > >fine chisled facial features. They (including myself) were never in > > >love with physical work, even on the farm. In the Carpenter Memorial, > > >on p. 376, is a picture of Philo Carpenter. He seems to me to be > > >the classic Carpenter. Take a look at the two on p. 163. > > >A classic Carpenter is Frank Carpenter, whose fine photo can > > >be found at www.geocities.com/fbc.htm. A much more interesting > > >question would have been, "Were the Carpenter ladies well built"? > > > > > >For the record, the reason I don't accept a DeMelun > > >origin for the Herefordshire Carpenters is not > > >that I dislike the DeMeluns, but rather the evidence that > > >supports the connection is a sham. It is the nature > > >of my profession to assign an "F" for lousy homework and > > >an "A" for well done homework. Simple as that. > > > > > >Sincerely, > > >Bruce Carpenter > > > > > > > The URL posted above does not work for me but the one below does. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/fbc.htm > > > > From a personal observation. > > > > I am descended from the Rehoboth clan. I grew up in Barrington, RI which > > was once part of Rehoboth. > > > > I am more closely related to Bruce Carpenter than any other Carpenter on > > the list. We follow the same path from William down to Stephen Carpenter > > and Martha Hunt. > > > > The observation is: > > I am small boned and 5'8" tall but have the 29.5 inseam as Tony mentions.. > > maybe it's 30". > > ALL the Carpenters I have ever met were small boned with the exception of > > my son who is large boned, 6' and 265 lbs. The biggest Carpenter I know :) > > Frank Carpenter( The Painter ) bears a strong resemblance to my family and > > a lot of other Carpenters I have known. > > All of them were very intelligent and worked hard, but not "heavy" laborers. > > They were all "artistic" in some way and yes a little eccentric :) > > > > And they all loved women, "well built" or not :) > > > > Chuck > > > > Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: > > http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html > > > > Carpenter Genealogy at: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html > > > > > -- > ************************************************** > | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | > | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | > | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | > | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | > | http://www.ccstrat.com | > ************************************************** >

In respect to the prostate carcinoma discussion, I once had a chat with C.A. Carpenter and we concluded that one characteristic of at least our line from Samuel,was they were all skirt-chasers, indicative of high levels of male hormone. Testosterone is the great complicating factor in the prostate problem. How about the rest of ya Carpenter fellas? Any skirt-chasers among ya, like me and Chuck? Professor Carpenter

My great-great-great grandfather, Jeremiah Carpenter, of southern KY and northern TN apparently got the skirt-chasing gene, but without the prostate cancer. He was 97 when he died, and on his fifth wife that I can find, and I've heard rumors of 2 others: one had been his son's fiancee and Jerry ran off and married her instead! So much for the good old days. Pat H. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, hate to butt in but I may have some children of your Texas to Alabama CARPENTERs in my family graveyard. See if these ring a bell. Phoebe J. daughter of J.O. and E. G. (C?) CARPENTER 01/27/1885 - 02/24/1895 Joseph O Son of J.O. & E.G. 02/01/1896 - 04/26/1896 Charles C. Son of J.O. & E.G. 02/02/1903 - 11/06/1903 Thoedore R. CARPENTER 02/27/1905 - 04/21/1906 These names came from a graveyard in Holmes Co. Florida (on the Alabama border) Evelyn White South Carolina > ** Original Subject: Re: Texas Carpenters > ** Original Sender: LouisSMU@aol.com > ** Original Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:05:23 EDT > ** Original Message follows... > > Dear Pat, > > As I am sure many will tell you in responding, Southern Carpenters are much > harder to trace as the records are not as intact as our Yankee kin. See, > this little skirmish known as the War of Northern Aggression caused all type > of havoc with record keeping. Also, we were busy settling the frontier, > while our northern cousins sat around making things. > > On a more serious note, I have been working on Isaac Carpenter of NC clan (b. > 1764, d. 1837). He was a RS. To date, his ancestry has always been a > mystery although the group I am researching with is getting closer to > unlocking the mystery. Family legend and a great deal of misinformation on > the Net shows "William Fauntleroy Carpenter" to be the father of Isaac > linking them to the Cornwall Carpenters of Dr. Nathaniel Carpenter of VA and > his brother Corynden Carpenter of Cornwall who left a substantial fortune. > My cousin, Donna Jo Wright, along with others hired Peter Wilson Coldham to > research this problem when an affidavit of David Carpenter, son of Isaac, > surfaced in a trunk in the early 1980's. This affidavit was an attempt to > claim Corynden's fortune although the Chancery court denied the claim for > lack of evidence. This research is published in an article by Coldham in the > National Genealogical Society Quarterly. I believe it is in the Winter 1985 > edition. Our research has led me to believe that Isaac is a descendant of > the Tidewater Carpenters. I hope to publish an article on this research > someday. > > As far as Texas Carpenters, one of Isaac's many sons, Jesse Carpenter, > migrated to Chambers Co., AL with his father-in-law, William Threadgill, then > on to Pike Co. AL near Troy where he was very successful, owning over 800 > acres, a cotton gin, grist mill. Five of his sons fought for the > Confederacy. My great grandfather Coleman Nathaniel was in the 15th AL and > captured at Gettysburg where he was interned at Pea Pod Island until the end > of the war. > > After the War Between the States, Coleman Nathaniel, Mahone, Andrew, and > other brothers GTT (Gone to Texas), like everyone else did. Andrew went to > Concho Co, Mahone to Hamilton then to Burnet Co., and Cole to Coryell Co. > Mahone and Cole are buried with their families in the Copperas Cove Cemetery > in Coryell Co. > > Hope this provides you with some "Southern Carpenter" info. > > Louis Carpenter >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com

William of Rehoboth and William of RI were cousins and arrive in America about two years apart, Wm of RI arriving first.......William of RI is my direct male ancestor, but thru the marriage of his son to Wm of Rehoboth's daughter, I have them both in my ancestry. The lines of William of Rehoboth have been researched exhaustively but there's a lot of material on the RI'ers too. And many descendants of each are on this list, many of whom know a lot more about the family history than I......I assume that an early Carpenter with real estate or Chamber of Commerce type dreams renamed Muketo Cove as Glen Cove, LI, NY. As the town on Bitter Creek in West Texas became known as Sweetwater...... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Looking for info on Isaac D. Carpenter in Ritchi Co. WV married Mary L.Nutter on July 12,1902 can anyone help? Debbie jth6666505@aol.com

I have sat here , reading all messages for several months , very patiently waiting for Southern Carpenters to appear. I don't suppose there were any, other than mine :) I have a John C. Carpenter b SC 1810 , married Elizabeth Sanford in Cobb co GA...migrated west living first in Blount co AL , then settling on the frontier of TX , Palo Pinto co by 1860. In the late sixties there was an uprising of the Indians and the settlers pulled back across the Brazos River into Parker co TX. By 1878 the Carpenters had settled in Hood co TX where my family lived until the 1940's. I would like to find the parents of John C Carpenter, also to find out if his family were originally Zimmermans. BTW John C Carpenter was also a builder, built the first jail in Palo Pinto co , and the pews for the Baptist church. His son William Sanford Carpenter , my 2nd GGF was a Sheriff but William's son was a barber . John C also had another son who was a barber. Thanks for any help or suggestions. Pat in Lawton, OK

Shortly I will present some exciting documents that indentify John the Elder, John the Younger and their brother Robert with origins outside of London c. 1400 and their connection to wool cloth manufacture. Likewise a colony of Carpenter family weavers was discovered near the Welch border c. same time. Also a Carpenter captain of his own ship was found with name of the craft listed. Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter

Hello All, I hesitated to post my family as I know so little and everyone else seems to know so much, but then I thought, how else can I learn? I have enjoyed ALL the discussions about the Carpenters, because even though I divorced my Carpenter, my sons are will always have the name and genes. Willam Carpenter b abt 1789 in poss Surry County, NC m Rhoda? children in will Mary b abt 1810 John H. Carpenter b abt 1816 (father left him blacksmith tools) Nancy Carpenter b abt 1829 Frances Carpenter b abt 1831 wrote will 1859 died Surry County, NC short time after John H. Carpenter m Elizabeth abt 1841 William Carpenter b abt 1843 Surry County, NC Benjamin Franklin Carpenter b Mar 1845 Surry County, NC Ambrose Carpenter b June 23, 1850 Surry County, NC Gidion Carpenter b abt 1852 Surry County, NC John Carpenter b abt 1854 Surry County, NC Wiley Carpenter b abt 1859 Surry County, NC Nancy J. Carpenter b abt 1863 maybe Carroll County, VA John and his sons, Ambrose and Benjamin, moved to VA after 1860. John has been found on the 1860 Surry County, NC census, then on the 1870 Carroll County, VA census with another wife, Ruth, (she was formerly married to a Harrison). after that, he moved to Floyd County, VA, were he was found in 1880. Ambrose has been found on the 1870, 1880, and 1900 census for Carroll County, VA. Benjamin has lived in Carroll County, VA. John died abt 1893. Please help if you can, but thanks for reading anyway. Loretta in Florida

Dear Pat, As I am sure many will tell you in responding, Southern Carpenters are much harder to trace as the records are not as intact as our Yankee kin. See, this little skirmish known as the War of Northern Aggression caused all type of havoc with record keeping. Also, we were busy settling the frontier, while our northern cousins sat around making things. On a more serious note, I have been working on Isaac Carpenter of NC clan (b. 1764, d. 1837). He was a RS. To date, his ancestry has always been a mystery although the group I am researching with is getting closer to unlocking the mystery. Family legend and a great deal of misinformation on the Net shows "William Fauntleroy Carpenter" to be the father of Isaac linking them to the Cornwall Carpenters of Dr. Nathaniel Carpenter of VA and his brother Corynden Carpenter of Cornwall who left a substantial fortune. My cousin, Donna Jo Wright, along with others hired Peter Wilson Coldham to research this problem when an affidavit of David Carpenter, son of Isaac, surfaced in a trunk in the early 1980's. This affidavit was an attempt to claim Corynden's fortune although the Chancery court denied the claim for lack of evidence. This research is published in an article by Coldham in the National Genealogical Society Quarterly. I believe it is in the Winter 1985 edition. Our research has led me to believe that Isaac is a descendant of the Tidewater Carpenters. I hope to publish an article on this research someday. As far as Texas Carpenters, one of Isaac's many sons, Jesse Carpenter, migrated to Chambers Co., AL with his father-in-law, William Threadgill, then on to Pike Co. AL near Troy where he was very successful, owning over 800 acres, a cotton gin, grist mill. Five of his sons fought for the Confederacy. My great grandfather Coleman Nathaniel was in the 15th AL and captured at Gettysburg where he was interned at Pea Pod Island until the end of the war. After the War Between the States, Coleman Nathaniel, Mahone, Andrew, and other brothers GTT (Gone to Texas), like everyone else did. Andrew went to Concho Co, Mahone to Hamilton then to Burnet Co., and Cole to Coryell Co. Mahone and Cole are buried with their families in the Copperas Cove Cemetery in Coryell Co. Hope this provides you with some "Southern Carpenter" info. Louis Carpenter

My father was 1 of 5 boys. One died @ age 40 (alcohol), 3 died of prostate cancer in their late 60's early 70's, the fifth is now 80 but has had prostate cancer but caught it early. I once heard a doctor on TV say that all men over the age of 80 have prostrate cancer in some form or another. It is important that all men over 50 get checked annually. Ken Carpenter

I am interested in making contact with descendants of the following Carpenter family (cousins of mine). Any leads would be appreciated. Myron Barnett Carpenter, b. 1835, NY, d. 1910 in Warrensburg, MO, married Mary Agnes Brown (1839, MO - 1922, MO) in 1869 in Warrensburg, MO. Their children, all born in Warrensburg, MO were: 1. Rush Algeron Carpenter, b. 1871, md: Lillian C. Gibson in 1903 in St. Louis, MO 2. George Lucas Carpenter, b. 1873, md: Helen Eliza Mills in 1903 in Warsaw, NY 3. Grace Ami Carpenter, b. 1876 4. Frank Barnet Carpenter, b. 1878 5. Julia Lena Belle Carpenter, b. 1881. Steve Kirkham Yorktown, VA