> Dear John, > The second part of your question was about a Thomas Carpenter born 1738. > Are you referring to this Thomas and family? > Thomas CARPENTER-20519 > 3 Aug 1738 > West Greenwich,Kent,RI > Number 703 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 131. > No family listed. > +---¦Oliver CARPENTER-7828 > Thomas CARPENTER-7839 ¦ ¦ 1675 > Abt 1706/1709 -------------¦ ¦Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > North Kingston,Washington,RI ¦ MRIN:2234 > --SPOUSE-- MRIN:2096 +---¦Sarah-7829 > Elizabeth PAGE-7840 ¦Abt 1677 > Abt 1709 ¦ > of Westerly,,RI > (There are other marriages) > --CHILDREN-- > 1-Thomas CARPENTER-20519 > 2Nicholas CARPENTER-14570 > 3-Mary CARPENTER-20520 > 4-Joseph CARPENTER-20522 > 5-Elizabeth CARPENTER-20521 > 6-Deborah CARPENTER-20524 > 7Beriah CARPENTER-20523 > 8-Hannah CARPENTER-20525 > I have attached (apologises to those who hate attachments) a GEDCOM of > 85 Carpenters in Washington County, RI (formerly NewPort) born between > 1699 and 1750 (plus or minus a bit). This may help you understand what > Carpenters are in that area and time. > I hope this helps. Let me know. > John R. Carpenter > La Mesa, CA > John F. Chandler wrote: > > > > I am curious about this pedigree... > > > > > 1 William CARPENTER-662: b Abt 1608/1611 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England; d > > > 7 Sep 1685 Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > > > > > > 2 Richard CARPENTER-669: b Abt 1575/1578 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; > > > m 1 Sep 1606 Dwelly Wells,Parish,Nettlecombe,England; d 7 Aug 1625 > > > Ilchester,Somerset,England > > > 3 Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432: b 1592 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > > > > Given the apparent uncertainty over the date of William's birth, and > > the commonness of the name, what evidence is there that (A) he was born > > at Amesbury or (B) his parents were named Richard and Susanna, much less > > that (C) they were originally from a different county? It seems to me > > that we would find it more profitable to focus efforts on the weak links > > closer at hand than medieval times. > > > > For myself, I'd really like to focus on an even more recent weak link. > > It seems that D.H. Carpenter's book assigns my line to the Rehoboth > > branch, but the evidence is wholly lacking, and I'd be interested in > > finding some confirmation or refutation... > > > > Here is the weak link: a certain Thomas Carpenter died in 1815 at Exeter, > > RI, intestate, and his estate was administered by his son Benjamin of > > South Kingstown. That would appear to be the same Benjamin who died > > in S.K. in 1840, aged 76 (contrary to what the book says, which is that > > he lived from 1756 to 1829). Be that as it may, can anybody show me > > some evidence to link this Thomas Carpenter to the birth record of a > > Thomas Carpenter in East Greenwich, RI back in 1738 (father named Thomas > > but mother not named)? The age fits fine, but I would really like to > > see something more than pure intuition here. > > > > John Chandler

> Dear John, > Here is what I have on William Carpenter - 662 and his father Richard > Carpenter - 669. While I have had much success in Wiltshire, I have > less response from the Somerset History society. I agree that finding > the birth and marriage dates in Nettlecomb or somewhere in Somerset > would be a great benefit. > I have also attached (apologies to those who have a hard time reading > attachments) a five generation GEDCOM of both the ancestors and > descendants of Richard Carpenter - 669. The GEDCOM numbers if used on > another machine will be different. The reason only five generations is > to keep the GEDCOM small enough for most servers to handle. Some 660 > some odd names are given. > While the notes are not perfect, they may answer most of your questions. > If not please let me know. Then I will do my best to answer them. > Sincerely, > John R. Carpenter > La Mesa, CA > ************************************************************** > INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:669 > ---------------------------------------------------- > Name:Richard CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:GG8T-DR > Birth:Abt 1575/1578 Place:Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > Chr: Place:of,Newton Tony,Wiltshire,England > Marr: 7 Aug 1603 Spouse:Alice KNIGHT-19782 > Marr: 1 Sep 1606 Spouse:Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432 > Marr: Spouse: > Death: 7 Aug 1625 Place:Ilchester,Somerset,England > Burial:21 Sep 1625 Place:Amesbury Parish,Wiltshire,England > Father:Robert CARPENTER oM-14708 Mother:Eleanor CARPENTER-14714 > Notes ----------------------------------------------- > !SEE "160 ALLIED FAMILIES" BY JOHN OSBORNE AUSTIN, 1893, REPRINTED > 1977. (974.0 D2a) PAGE 56 AND 57. "Richard Carpenter of Amesbury" > Records at Amesbury show that he was buried there this date (1625,9,21). > The names of Richard and Christina are found as family names in the > early records of Amesbury; and either by coincidence or from a family > connection, it is found that John Carpenter, Town Clerk of London in > reigns of Henry V AND Henry VI (and executor of Richard Whitington > "THRICE LORD MAYOR OF LONDON" who died > 1422) had for parents Richard and Christina. > !WILL: A will dated 1614 witnessed by Robert Batt of Wiltshire is > probably this Richard. Richard willed his property on Frog Lane in > Amesbury to his son William. Thomas Lavington also witnessed the will > and was the husband of Agnes Carpenter, daughter of Robert Carpenter of > Upton Scudmore. > !(It was probably Richard the son who went to Barbadoes in 1634 with > brothers William, Thomas and Elias. See below.) > !This Richard of Amesbury, Wiltshire, made a trip to America. This is > the work of Harry F. Rogers, genealogist, who found this information. > Sources cited: > Copies of English Wills in Playfair's Britsh Antiquities (London) 1810; > Davis & Owen New Peerage (London 1778) V7 page 108; L.G. PINE Burke's > Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage; County Histories; Thomas Brewers > Memoirss and History of the City of London School for Boys, London 1856 > (Founded by John Carpenter the younger, the noted Town Clerk of London, > Trice Lord Mayor of London, et cetera). > !CHILD: Harry F. Rogers indicates a Dorothy Carpenter, daughter of > Richard Carpenter of Amesbury married Stephen Rose At Salisbury > Cathedral, Old Sarum in 1618. No mention of her as child in any other > record. She possibly came from another marriage? YES! Mother was Alice > Knight. > !MISC: Marden and Cheriton Parishes, Wherwell in Wiltshire were Puritan > strongholds. Rev. Stephen Bachiler and Richard Dummer (who was on the > Bevis in 1638) were actively engaged in persuading religious dissenters > to join them in New England with their Plough Company. This includes > William, brother to this Richard. > !MARRIAGE: To Susanna Trevilian dated 1 Sept. 1606 at Dwelly Wells > Parish per "Carpenter Chronicles", Page 13, Vol. 4, 1990, by Bette > Butcher Topp. Ann Kent did not marry this Richard Carpenter. > !MARRIAGE: Per Mr. W.A. Lyons of the Post Office in Newton Tony, > Wiltshire, England, per letter 18 Mar. 1997: The Marriage Register for > Newton Tony shows: > "Richard Carpenter and Alice Knight" married on "7 Aug. 1603." > !BURIAL: Amesbury Parish Index and Transcript - Burials 1579-1636: > "Richard Carpenter was buryed the 21 daye of September 1625." > !AFN 8LBZ-V1 IS THE SAME PERSON, AS IS ID# 8MH8-Q1, AS IS ID# 8NHZ-Q0 > WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LATER BEING BORN ABT 1580, B.31 JUL 1947 SG, > E.23 JAN 1947 SG AND DEATH PLACE AND DATE CONFIRMED. > AFN 8LBZ-V1 (S.P. 18 MAY 1966 MT) AND ID # GG8T-DR (S.P. 12 MAY 1966) > ARE THE SAME PERSON. BORN ABOUT 1542?. OF WRINGTON, SOMMERSET, England > OR AMESBURY, WILTSHIRE, England. > !Parents: Early Carpenter books has him the son of William & Abigail > Carpenter. However this is wrong. Parentage corrected by wills found > in England. > ********************* > INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:662 > -------------------------------------------------- > Name:William CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:30Z7-S6 > Birth:Abt 1608/1611 Place:Amesbury,Wiltshire,England > Chr: Place:of Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > Marr: 1 Nov 1635 Spouse:Elizabeth Peake ARNOLD-663 > Marr: Spouse: > Marr: Spouse: > Death: 7 Sep 1685 Place:Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > Burial: 7 Sep 1685 Place:Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > Father:Richard CARPENTER-669 Mother:Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432 > Notes ------------------------------------------------------ > !SEE: "History and Genealogy of the CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA" from > the settlement at Providence, RI 1637-1901. By Daniel Hoogland > Carpenter of Mapelwood, Essex, NJ. Published by the Marion Press of > Jamacia, Queensborough, NY in 1901. 370 Pages. Will on pages 20 to > 28. > William Carpenter, Founder of the Providence Carpenters, is Number 1. > He was the son and heir of Richard Carpenter of Amesbury, Wiltshire, > England. > Did William go to Barbadoes in 1634? Or was it a cousin? > See page 5 in the above record. See Brother Richard's notes. > See page 354, Describing the "Visitation" or census of the College of > Arms in 1623 and 1634 where it is shown that there was a number of > Carpenter families in Gloucester, Hereford, Somerset, and Surrey, who > made proof of their pedigrees by presenting arms which were emblazoned > in the windows of the Church at Westbury upon Trin (often called the > Worcester Arms). > !FOUNDER: This William Carpenter is concidered to be the founder of the > Providence (Pawtuxet), Rhode Island Branch of the Carpenter family. > !SEE: "160 ALLIED FAMILIES" BY JOHN OSBORNE AUSTIN, 1893, REPRINTED > 1977, P56-58 THIS RECORD GIVES AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF WILLIAM FROM 1637 > TO HIS DEATH IN 1685 WHILE IN AMERICA. SISTER FRIDGSWITH VINCENT IS > MENTIONED IN 1671, 12, 14. GIVING HER PROPERTY IN ENGLAND WILLED TO HIM > BY HIS DECEASED FATHER (RICHARD). > !SEE: "NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700" BY CLARENCE ALMON TORREY, > 1985, P 136 CARPENTER, WILLIAM ( -1685) & ELIZABETH ARNOLD (1611-1683+); > IN ENGLAND, B 1635; PROVIDENCE/PAWTUXET, RI. > !SEE: "GENEALOGICAL & FAMILY HISTORY OF WESTERN NEW YORK", LEWIS 1912, > PAGE 274: (1) The first person bearing the (MALE) name Carpenter to make > permanent settlement in America was William Carpenter, son of Richard > Carpenter, of Amesbury, Wiltshire, England. He married Elizabeth > Arnold, born at Cheselbourne, Dorsetshire, England, November 23, 1611. > MUCH DETAILED DESCENDANT HISTORY GIVEN. > !SEE: "Genealogical History of the Carpenter Family" aka "The Carpenter > Memorial", by A.B. Carpenter 1898, page 34 (No. 9-4). > !MISC: William came to America with his father-in-law and his wife. > Their ship left Dartmouth, Devonshire, England on Friday May 1, 1635 > (should be 1636) and arrived in New England on June 24, 1636 at Hingham, > MA. The ship was called the "Plain Joan" and arrived in Boston after a > 54 day trip. William is listed in the first deed executed in the Colony > by Roger Williams. Robert Coles lived on the property adjoining. > William Carpenter, Robert Coles and William Arnold were three of 14 > charter members of the Baptist Church of America established by Roger > Williams at Providence on August 3, 1638. > For defense against indian attacks, William Carpenter built a block > house on his property soon after settling there. In an Indian attack > during King Phillip's War, all the settlers gathered for protection > inside the block house, where their brave stand compelled the Indians to > retreat. This William's son William Jr. was killed in the attack > though, and this William, while busily engaged in repairing the damage > to his estate died on Sept. 7, 1685. > !BOOK: See page 9 of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below: > UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH > ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF > JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION. > BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. > PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997. > BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. > !SEE: Cuyler Reynolds (Ed.) Hudson-Mohawk genealogical > & Family memoirs, Vol. II (NY, 1911), pp. 524-526. > !SEE: Also The American Historical Society, Carpenter and Allied > Families (Washington, D.C. 1931); and an unpublished supplement to > Daniel Hoogland Carpenter's book, by Ruth Carpenter Adair of North > Quincy, MA; and records of Katherine Stone Moore and records of Louise > Carpenter Licklider. > !SEE: "Carpenter Lineage" compiled by Winifred Lovering Holman, > 1958-1960, for Mrs. Folwell W. Coen. > !AFN 3027-SG IS THE SAME AS 8TG4-NF WITH THE FOLLOWING DIFFERENCES: > B.31 JUL 1947, E.18 DEC 1947, SP.25 JUN 1948 SG, DOB OF ABT 1611 MOST > PROBABLE. > AFN LSD9-5L is the same person with a death place in Rehoboth, MA & 2nd > spouse WILLIAM HAS (2) TWO FATHERS IN THE ANCESTORY FILE. WILLIAM > CARPENTER AFN 8MH9-NS B. ABT 1576 IN HOWELL, LINCOLN, England IS > INCORRECT. RICHARD CARPENTER IS CORRECT SEE NOTES ABOVE. Also AFN > GJ4M-QD Abigail Searles as a spouse is incorrect. She married another > William Carpenter. > end notes. > *************************************************************** > John F. Chandler wrote: > > > > I am curious about this pedigree... > > > > > 1 William CARPENTER-662: b Abt 1608/1611 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England; d > > > 7 Sep 1685 Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > > > > > > 2 Richard CARPENTER-669: b Abt 1575/1578 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; > > > m 1 Sep 1606 Dwelly Wells,Parish,Nettlecombe,England; d 7 Aug 1625 > > > Ilchester,Somerset,England > > > 3 Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432: b 1592 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England > > > > Given the apparent uncertainty over the date of William's birth, and > > the commonness of the name, what evidence is there that (A) he was born > > at Amesbury or (B) his parents were named Richard and Susanna, much less > > that (C) they were originally from a different county? It seems to me > > that we would find it more profitable to focus efforts on the weak links > > closer at hand than medieval times. > > > > For myself, I'd really like to focus on an even more recent weak link. > > It seems that D.H. Carpenter's book assigns my line to the Rehoboth > > branch, but the evidence is wholly lacking, and I'd be interested in > > finding some confirmation or refutation... > > > > Here is the weak link: a certain Thomas Carpenter died in 1815 at Exeter, > > RI, intestate, and his estate was administered by his son Benjamin of > > South Kingstown. That would appear to be the same Benjamin who died > > in S.K. in 1840, aged 76 (contrary to what the book says, which is that > > he lived from 1756 to 1829). Be that as it may, can anybody show me > > some evidence to link this Thomas Carpenter to the birth record of a > > Thomas Carpenter in East Greenwich, RI back in 1738 (father named Thomas > > but mother not named)? The age fits fine, but I would really like to > > see something more than pure intuition here. > > > > John Chandler

Dear Kathryn, I have some 23 Earl Carpenters born from about 1880 to about 1920 in my main data base. Can you give some clues on where your Carpenter ancestors were from? Any information you can give (names, dates, places, etc) will help. Pleased to help. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA kathryn kessell wrote: > > Hi all, > I am new to this list and I have just started my carpenter search. My > name is kathryn dawn kessell but my maiden name was carpenter. Line I am > seeking information on is an Earl CARPENTER married a Florence ?. They > had a Thomas Bee CARPENTER who married an Ova Lee SHADRICK. They had a > Thomas Lee CARPENTER b.abt 1943 who married a Mary Kathryn EAKIN. I > really don't know any more...got all this from my sisters baby book. An > info would be a reat help. Thanks so much kate > > http://community.webtv.net/kategen/Buildingafamilys

Dear Lucy, That is a beautiful quote!!! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Slbrin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi to all the Carpenter family researcher's. I found this wonderful quote and > wanted to share it with you. I don't know who the Author is but I think > he/she has a great definition of what Genealogy is all about. > " To know the identity of our ancestors is both an > honor and privilege. To study the many details of the lives of our ancestors > is to be with them through their lifetime." > Lucy

Does anyone have John Carpenter born abt 1806 in OH who married Susannah Cole born abt 1819 in NY? They were married 1837 in OH. Their children are James (1841), Nancy (1843), Andrew (2/12/1846), John (1848), Henry or Harvey (1850), and Hiram (1852).

Dear Rick, Generally a Coat of Arms was granted to an Individual. His eldest son then inherited those Arms unless he had earned his own before. In the 1400's there became established rules (varying from country to country) on the variances by second son, third son, et cetera. Before this formalization there was very few rules for what you put on your shield. Indeed, many groups had generic shields to help indentify your group in battle. A banner, on a long pole, was the earliest form of Arms and indicated where the leader of that group was. Many families honor an ancestor by displaying his Coat of Arms. The rules for this vary widely. In England, you need to have a "Right" or permission from the current holder of those arms and show proof you are related. In America, you can use anybodys Coat of Arms or even design your own. The second part of your question was regarding Crusades. The Crusades were bluntly Church sanctioned declarations of war by proxy. The Church authorized a group to wage war to right some type of wrong perceived by the Church. The First Crusade was equal to this Century's First World War as the Second Crusade was equivalent to the Second World War. Does this mean that there were not "sanctioned" war events prior to this? No, there were other sanctioned events, but not on the same scale. A "sanctioned" event occurred against King Harold of England who was given notice he was excommunicated just prior to the Battle of Hastings in 1066. Some believe this explains his lack of action against the invaders and lack of aggressiveness. Seeing the Papal Banner in front of the enemy must have had some type of affect. In 1086, the Church's Papal banner again flew ahead of the Christian Army as they took back the city of Toledo in Spain from the Moors. The flexing of Church authority grew stronger under these victories. It was not a question of if but when they would invade the Holy Land to try to seize the Holy Cities of Christendom. Royals celebrated their presence in these Crusades by placing a Cross on their tunics and sometimes on their shields. Being on a second, and wearing two crosses in a sanctioned event was a great honor, being on three was very remarkable. It is not surprising that that later Coat of Arms touted their participation in these Crusades. I hope this is helpful, Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA sample from notes: Coat of Arms is a common way of tracing lineage. The arms granted to Lord George Carpenter in 1719, as published in the account of his life (The Life and Times of Lord George . . .) were Pally of six, argent and gules on a chevron, azure,three cross crosslets, or. CREST, on a wreath a globe in a frame all or. Supporters, two horses, party-perfess, embattled argent and gules. MOTTO: "Per Actua Belli" (Through the Asperities of War). John the Elder, Bishop, granduncle to this William, had the same Coat of Arms. The same arms, less the supporters and motto, were used by the Herefordshire Carpenter family and were emblazoned in a glass window of the college and church at Westbury upon Trin as early as 1443. They were placed there by permanently by Bishop John (the Elder) Carpenter of Worcester, who was a native of Westbury and a great benefactor of the college, having rebuilt and refounded it. Bishop John Carpenter died in 1476 and was buried in the church, where a plain altar monument was errected to his memory. This church (in 1890) is the Holy Trinity of Bristol, and is described in Willi's Survey of Cathedrals, published in 1742. And in Atykn's and Rudder's History of Gloucester where there is a very interesting sketch of Bishop John Carpenter who was also known as "Master John Carpenter" mentioned in the will of the town clerk of London, John Carpenter, the younger. !"The arms borne by the Carpenters of Homme in Herefordshire show three cross crosslets, and the same appears in a lineage of several generations commencing about 1300 with a Maurice Carpenter, or Carpender, Gent., in the County of Glouster, and reported in the Herald Visitation in that county." This indicates his decent from the same Norman family of the de Melun Carpenters of France. The three cross crosslets indicate fighting in three crusades. end notes J. R. Carpenter wrote: > > Hello list, > > This is in response to several things I've seen posted on this list. > > Could someone please explain "family" coats-of-arms? I thought that > coats-of-arms were only granted to individuals. > > Also, the Crusades were not the same as the Norman Conquest. From the site > www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/firstcrusade/Overview/Overview.htm: The First > Crusade officially began on November 27, 1095, with a proclamation from Pope > Urban II delivered to clergy and lay folk who had gathered in a field in > Clermont, central France. Before the armies departed in mid 1096, a People's > Crusade jumped the gun and left in March 1096, arriving in Constantinople in > August. Some Jews in Europe were attacked along the way, and the People's > Crusaders were all but destroyed by the Turks at Civetot. The official > armies did not leave until mid 1096, some of their commanders being Raymond > IV of St Gilles, Count of Toulouse; Bohemond, Duke of Taranto; Godfrey of > Bouillon; Hugh, Count of Vermandois; and Robert, Duke of Normandy. They > arrived in Constantinople in early 1097. Their subsequent history is beyond > the scope of this Conquest/Crusade reply. > > I haven't done any comparing of "rosters", but since the First Crusade had > many Normans in it, I would think it is possible that some of those involved > in the Conquest may have also been Crusaders. Although some viewed the > Conquest as a holy venture, my point is that these were two separate events. > > Thanks, > Rick

Dear Carolyn, It's great to see the completion of that Batchelder, Carpenter, Rice Family study. Rosemary did many Carpenters a huge favor by her newsletters and assistance on the Descendants of Col. Solomon Carpenter. I'm ordering 2 books! Thank you for posting the notice! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Tawker1@aol.com wrote: > > Perhaps we all need something new to thing about. Here is some half > information for you to look into: > > A book on the Carpenter family is going to be printed by Pentref Press. I > don't have an email address so that's the half you have to look up. Here's > the rest; > > Genealogy USA 'Ship to Shore" > > Batchelder, Carpenter or Rice End of Century Edition > > We need 250 orders for each family in order to do its first End-of-Centruy > volume. Your $10 deposit on the purchase price of $25.00 for the first > volume will add you to the count-down list and you won't be billed for the > reaminder until the book is in your hands. (Post publication price will be > $35.00.) Specify family (Batchelder/Carpenter/Rice). > > Unless you have an account, orders must be placed by snail mail with check > payable to Pentref Press. P.O. Box 2782, Kennebunkport, ME 04046, > Tel/Fax:207-967-3812 > > Carolyn Carpenter

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Dear Carpenter Roots Web, The Common ancestor of William Carpenter of Providence, RI, Captain William Carpenter of Rehoboth, MA and Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia, PA is Willaim Carpenter of Homme. These three men are considered the start of the three main branches of the Carpenter family in New England. Wiliam Carpenter or William of Homme as he is sometimes noted is concidered the common ancestor of the following branches of the Carpenter Family: - REHOBOTH, MA Branch - Capt. William C. son of William (who married Elizabeth the daughter of John of James the son of William of Homme) of Robert (who married Eleanor C. daughter of Robert of William the son of William of Homme) of William of Robert of Richard the son of William of Homme. - PROVIDENCE, RI Branch - William of Amesbury C. son of Richard of Robert (who married Eleanor C. - see above) of William (who married Elizabeth C. - see above) of Robert of Richard the son of William of Homme. - PHILADELPHIA, PA Branch - Samuel the son of John the Sheriff of Robert, of Stephen of Robert of William the son of William of Homme. - VIRGINIA BRANCH - Nathaniel Carpenter through his sons John and Joseph. Nathaniel was the son of Joseph Carpenter, the grandson of William Carpenter of Amesbury, the founder of the PROVIDENCE, RI Branch of the Carpenters. Nathaniel was the son of Hannah Carpenter, the grandson of Captain William Carpenter, the founder of the REHOBOTH, MA Branch of the Carpenters. - LORD LINES - William of Cobham (of William of Alexander of William of John of James the son of William of Homme) who was granted a Coat of Arms in 1663. AND - Warncomb Carpenter (of Thomas of James of James of William of John of James the son of William of Homme) whose youngest son, George became page to the Earl of Montague, and on account of faithful service rendered to the Crown was created "Baron Carpenter of Killaghy" in 1719. - FEMALE LINE NOT LISTED ABOVE - Alice Carpenter (of Alexander of William of John of James the son of William of Homme) who married a Edward Southworth then married Govenor William Bradford of Plymouth Colony. While there are many more Carpenters who came over from England to America, none are as well documented as the descendants of William Carpenter of Homme. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA General data: INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:91 - --------------------------------------------------- Name:William CARPENTER William of Homme Sex:M ID No:8LC0-35 Birth:Abt 1440 Place:Homme,Hertfordshire,England Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse:(CARPENTER)-700 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death:Abt 1520 Place:of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England Burial:Abt 1520 Place:of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England Father:John the younger CARPENTER-90 Mother:(CARPENTER)-702 Notes ---------------------------------------------------- !WILLIAM OF HOMME RESIDED IN PART OF DILWYNE, HEREFORDSHIRE, ENGLAND PER 1898 BOOK. SEE ALSO GENEALOGICAL & FAMILY HISTORY OF WESTERN NEW YORK BY LEWIS 1912. PAGE 1252 AND 1317. PAGE 1317 GIVES BIRTH ABOUT 1480 INSTEAD OF 1440. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE REAL "WILLIAM OF HOMME" WAS THE SON OF THIS WILLIAM? !AKA: William of Hereford. !AFN 8LC0-35 is the same as AFN 4JG8-24 & AFN 4JG8-XL. !Oxford University records indicate that William of Hereford had sons James, John, William and Richard. !Holm is a saxon word signifying "a woody situation." !The property at Homme or Holm stayed in the family until 1787, when it passed to the Deverux and Peploe Family. Per Robinson's "Mansions and Manors of Herefordshire." In 1873 it was the residence of Lady Frances Vernon Harcourt, who was the daughter of John Lothrop Motley, the distinguished American Historian. !This William of Homme is the common ancestor of our Carpenter Family in America. Coat of Arms is a common way of tracing lineage. The arms granted to Lord George Carpenter in 1719, as published in the account of his life (The Life and Times of Lord George . . .) were Pally of six, argent and gules on a chevron, azure,three cross crosslets, or. CREST, on a wreath a globe in a frame all or. Supporters, two horses, party-perfess, embattled argent and gules. MOTTO: "Per Actua Belli" (Through the Asperities of War). John the Elder, Bishop, granduncle to this William, had the same Coat of Arms. The same arms, less the supporters and motto, were used by the Herefordshire Carpenter family and were emblazoned in a glass window of the college and church at Westbury upon Trin as early as 1443. They were placed there by permanently by Bishop John (the Elder) Carpenter of Worcester, who was a native of Westbury and a great benefactor of the college, having rebuilt and refounded it. Bishop John Carpenter died in 1476 and was buried in the church, where a plain altar monument was errected to his memory. This church (in 1890) is the Holy Trinity of Bristol, and is described in Willi's Survey of Cathedrals, published in 1742. And in Atykn's and Rudder's History of Gloucester where there is a very interesting sketch of Bishop John Carpenter who was also known as "Master John Carpenter" mentioned in the will of the town clerk of London, John Carpenter, the younger. !FOUNDER: William Carpenter of Homme is concidered the common ancestor of the following branches of the Carpenter Family: - REHOBOTH, MA Branch - Capt. William C. son of William (who married Elizabeth the daughter of John of James the son of William of Homme) of Robert (who married Eleanor C. daughter of Robert of William the son of William of Homme) of William of Robert of Richard the son of William of Homme. - PROVIDENCE, RI Branch - William of Amesbury C. son of Richard of Robert (who married Eleanor C. - see above) of William (who married Elizabeth C. - see above) of Robert of Richard the son of William of Homme. - PHILADELPHIA, PA Branch - Samuel the son of John the Sheriff of Robert, of Stephen of Robert of William the son of William of Homme. - VIRGINIA BRANCH - Nathaniel Carpenter through his sons John and Joseph. Nathaniel was the son of Joseph Carpenter, the grandson of William Carpenter of Amesbury, the founder of the PROVIDENCE, RI Branch of the Carpenters. Nathaniel was the son of Hannah Carpenter, the grandson of Captain William Carpenter, the founder of the REHOBOTH, MA Branch of the Carpenters. - LORD LINES - William of Cobham (of William of Alexander of William of John of James the son of William of Homme) who was granted a Coat of Arms in 1663. AND - Warncomb Carpenter (of Thomas of James of James of William of John of James the son of William of Homme) whose youngest son, George became page to the Earl of Montague, and on account of faithful service rendered to the Crown was created "Baron Carpenter of Killaghy" in 1719. - FEMALE LINE NOT LISTED ABOVE - Alice Carpenter (of Alexander of William of John of James the son of William of Homme) who married a Edward Southworth then married Govenor William Bradford of Plymouth Colony. end notes

Dear Carpenter Roots Web, Here is the ancestry, as I know it, of Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia, PA. As you will see he also has a common ancestry with William Carpenter of Providence, RI AND William Carpenter of Rehoboth, MA. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA basic pedigree ... Samuel CARPENTER-1582 B: 4 Nov 1649 Horsham,Sussex,England M: 12 Dec 1684 --622 Philadelphia,Philadelphia,PA,PA D: 10 Apr 1714 Philadelphia,Philadelphia,PA 1st 2nd 3rd 4th +S CARPENTER-¦con.1 +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ +Christiana OR C-¦ +John CARPENTER S¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +Hellen OR E-----¦ ¦ + Samuel CARPENTER Hannah HARDIMAN + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Sarah-----------¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + con. 1 Stephen CARPENTER-24959 B: Abt 1544 of Boscombe,Wiltshire,England M: Abt 1560 --10083 ,Wiltshire,England D: 4th 5th 6th 7th +William CARPENTER +W CARPENTER 2nd-¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +Maud------------¦ ¦ + S CARPENTER Christiana OR C + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Agnes-----------¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + end basic pedigree. AHNENTAFEL CHART 9 Sep 1999 Page 1 ============================================================ 1st GENERATION 1 Samuel CARPENTER-1582: b 4 Nov 1649 Horsham,Sussex,England; d 10 Apr 1714 Philadelphia,Philadelphia,PA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2nd GENERATION 2 John CARPENTER Sheriff-1736: b 1582 Horsham,Sussex,England; m Abt Sep 1641 Horsham,Sussex,England; d 9 Aug 1671 Horsham,Sussex,England 3 Sarah-1737: b Abt 1615; d 28 Sep 1650 Horsham,Sussex,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd GENERATION 4 Robert CARPENTER Sr.-704: b Abt 1565 of,Newton Tony,Wiltshire, England; m Abt 1581 St.Mary's Church,Horsham,Sussex,England; bu 28 Apr 1604 St.Mary's Church,Horsham,Sussex,England 5 Hellen OR Elizabeth-1742: b Abt 1565 ,,England; bu 1 Oct 1582 Newton Tony,Wiltshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4th GENERATION 8 Stephen CARPENTER-24959: b Abt 1544 of Boscombe,Wiltshire,England; m Abt 1560 ,Wiltshire,England 9 Christiana OR Christiane-27880: b Abt 1544 of,Wiltshire,England; bu 25 Apr 1578 Newton Tony,Wiltshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5th GENERATION 16 Robert als. Whelan CARPENTER-24956: b Abt 1520/1525 of,Downton, Wiltshire,England; m Abt 1542 ,,England; d Aft 5 Oct 1554 of Boscombe,Wiltshire,England 17 Agnes-24958: b Abt 1525 ,,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6th GENERATION 32 William CARPENTER 2nd-2641: b Abt 1464 Homme,Hertfordshire,England; m Abt 1520/1525 ,,England; d Aft 11 Jul 1547 of Charlton,Downton, Wiltshire,England 33 Maud-24955: b Abt 1495 ,,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7th GENERATION 64 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England 65 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8th GENERATION 128 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 129 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9th GENERATION John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England AHNENTAFEL CHART 9 Sep 1999 Page 2 ============================================================ 10th GENERATION 512 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 513 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 ============================================================

Dear Carpenter Roots Web, Here is the ancestry of William Carpenter of Rehoboth, MA. As you will see his ancestry is very similar to the ancestry of William Carpenter of Providence, RI. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA basic pedigree ... William CARPENTER Capt.-584 B: 23 May 1605 of,Wiltshire,England M: 28 Apr 1625 --5248 ShalbourneParish,Wiltshire,England D: Aft 21 Apr 1659 W.P.,Rehoboth,Bristol,MA 1st 2nd 3rd 4th +con. 1 +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ +con. 2 +W CARPENTER oW--¦ ¦ ¦Eleanor +con. 3 ¦ +E CARPENTER-----¦ ¦ +Isabella STORKE W CARPENTER C Abigail BRIANT + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Alice-----------¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + pedigree continued con. 1 William CARPENTER of Marden-14711 B: Abt 1520 of,Wiltshire,England M: --5241 D: 1587 Marden,Wiltshire,England 4th 5th 6th 7th Richard +William CARPENTER +R CARPENTER Rev.¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ + W CARPENTER oM E CARPENTER + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Elizabeth-------¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + con. 2 Elizabeth CARPENTER-14707 B: Abt 1520 of Hertford,Herefordshire,England M: --5241 D: 4th 5th 6th 7th +William CARPENTER +James CARPENTER-¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +John CARPENTER--¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +(CARPENTER)-----¦ ¦ + E CARPENTER W CARPENTER oM + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Abigail---------¦ ¦________________ con. 3 Eleanor CARPENTER-14714 B: Abt 1545 ,Wiltshire,England M: Abt 1575 --5244 ,,England D: 3rd 4th 5th 6th William +William CARPENTER +W CARPENTER 2nd-¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +Maud------------¦ ¦ + E CARPENTER Robert CARPENTER + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Isabella STORKE-¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + end pedigree. AHNENTAFEL CHART 9 Sep 1999 Page 1 ============================================================ 1st GENERATION 1 William CARPENTER Capt.-584: b 23 May 1605 of,Wiltshire,England; d Aft 21 Apr 1659 W.P.,Rehoboth,Bristol,MA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2nd GENERATION 2 William CARPENTER of Wherwell-98: b 1576 Horwell,Hampshire,England; m Abt Aug 1604 ,Wiltshire,England; d 1638 at sea or near,Weymouth, Norfolk,MA 3 Alice-27675: b Abt 1580 of,Salisbury,Wiltshire,England; d 25 Jan 1637/1638 Shalbourne,Wiltshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd GENERATION 4 Robert CARPENTER of Marden-14708: b Abt 1545 ,Wiltshire,England; m Abt 1575 ,,England; d 1607 Marden,Wiltshire,England 5 Eleanor CARPENTER-14714: b Abt 1545 ,Wiltshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4th GENERATION 8 William CARPENTER of Marden-14711: b Abt 1520 of,Wiltshire,England; d 1587 Marden,Wiltshire,England 9 Elizabeth CARPENTER-14707: b Abt 1520 of Hertford,Herefordshire, England 10 Robert CARPENTER-24965: b Abt 1520/1525 of,Downton,Wiltshire, England; m Abt 1550 ,,England 11 Isabella STORKE-15281: b Abt 1525 ,Wiltshire,England; d Aft 1590 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5th GENERATION 16 Robert CARPENTER-14706: b Abt 1495 Upton Scudamore,Wiltshire, England; m Abt 1519 ,,England; bu Bef 25 Jun 1545 Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire,England 17 Elizabeth-19787: b Abt 1500 of,Wiltshire,England 18 John CARPENTER-93: b Abt 1495 of,Wrington,Somerset,England; m ,, England; d Abt 1540 Austerfield,Yorkshire,England 19 Abigail-696: b Abt 1500 of,Delwine,Hertfordshire,England 20 William CARPENTER 2nd-2641: b Abt 1464 Homme,Hertfordshire,England; m Abt 1520/1525 ,,England; d Aft 11 Jul 1547 of Charlton,Downton, Wiltshire,England 21 Maud-24955: b Abt 1495 ,,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6th GENERATION 32 Richard CARPENTER Rev.-2781: b 1465/1470 Homme,Hertfordshire, England; d 1503 ,Wiltshire,England 36 James CARPENTER-92: b Abt 1460 Homme,Hertfordshire,England; m Abt 1495 ,,,England; d 1537 Dilwyn,Herefordshire,England 37 (CARPENTER)-698: b Abt 1470 of,Dilwyn,Hertfordshire,England 40 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England 41 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7th GENERATION - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AHNENTAFEL CHART 9 Sep 1999 Page 2 ============================================================ 64 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England 65 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 72 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England 73 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 80 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 81 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8th GENERATION 128 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 129 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 144 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 145 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 160 John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England 161 (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9th GENERATION 256 John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England 257 (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England 288 John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England 289 (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England 320 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 321 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10th GENERATION 512 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 513 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 576 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 577 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 640 John OR Jean CARPENTIER le-85: b Abt 1303/1305 de Grand Pont,Du Nord, France; m Bef 1334 ,,England; d Aft 1345 Dilwyne,Herefordshire, England 641 (CARPENTER)-4677: b Abt 1305/1313 Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England ============================================================

To the Carpenter Roots Web. The Carpenter Roots Web is for everyone. Anyone with an interest in Carpenters should be able to ask questions and provide commentary in a civilized fashion. To resort to rude remarks such as "mind your own business" is wrong. This forum should be free to all to pose questions with out fear of being slammed. Anyone who "slams" others is wrong. Now onto William of Providence ... John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA This is the ancestry, as I have it, on William Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island. But first here is a basic pedigree. William CARPENTER-662 B: Abt 1608/1611 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England M: 1 Nov 1635 --404 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England D: 7 Sep 1685 Pawtuxet,Providence,RI 1st 2nd 3rd 4 +con. 1 +Robert CARPENTER¦ Richard ¦ +con. 2 +R CARPENTER-----¦ ¦ ¦Eleanor +con. 3 ¦ +E CARPENTER-----¦ ¦ +Isabella Storke W CARPENTER Elizabeth ARNOLD + ¦ +John TRIVILIAN--¦there is an extensive history ¦Susanna ¦ +on this line. +S TRIVILIAN-----¦ ¦ + +Urith CHICHESTER¦ pedigree continued con. 1 William CARPENTER of Marden-14711 B: Abt 1520 of,Wiltshire,England M: --5241 D: 1587 Marden,Wiltshire,England 4th 5th 6th 7th Richard +William CARPENTER +R CARPENTER Rev.¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ + W CARPENTER oM E CARPENTER + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Elizabeth-------¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + con. 2 Elizabeth CARPENTER-14707 B: Abt 1520 of Hertford,Herefordshire,England M: --5241 D: 4th 5th 6th 7th +William CARPENTER +James CARPENTER-¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +John CARPENTER--¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +(CARPENTER)-----¦ ¦ + E CARPENTER W CARPENTER oM + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Abigail---------¦ ¦________________ con. 3 Eleanor CARPENTER-14714 B: Abt 1545 ,Wiltshire,England M: Abt 1575 --5244 ,,England D: 3rd 4th 5th 6th William +William CARPENTER +W CARPENTER 2nd-¦ of Homme ¦ +(CARPENTER) +Robert CARPENTER¦ ¦ ¦ + ¦ +Maud------------¦ ¦ + E CARPENTER Robert CARPENTER + ¦ +----------------¦ ¦ ¦ + +Isabella STORKE-¦ ¦ + +----------------¦ + end basic pedigree. AHNENTAFEL CHART 10 generations 9 Sep 1999 Page 1 ============================================================ 1st GENERATION 1 William CARPENTER-662: b Abt 1608/1611 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England; d 7 Sep 1685 Pawtuxet,Providence,RI - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2nd GENERATION 2 Richard CARPENTER-669: b Abt 1575/1578 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; m 1 Sep 1606 Dwelly Wells,Parish,Nettlecombe,England; d 7 Aug 1625 Ilchester,Somerset,England 3 Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432: b 1592 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd GENERATION 4 Robert CARPENTER of Marden-14708: b Abt 1545 ,Wiltshire,England; m Abt 1575 ,,England; d 1607 Marden,Wiltshire,England 5 Eleanor CARPENTER-14714: b Abt 1545 ,Wiltshire,England 6 John TRIVILIAN-1443: b 31 Oct 1556 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; m 15 May 1591 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; d 1 Apr 1623 Nettlecombe, Somerset,England 7 Urith CHICHESTER-1444: b 24 Apr 1558 Shirwell,Devonshire,England; d 1591 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4th GENERATION 8 William CARPENTER of Marden-14711: b Abt 1520 of,Wiltshire,England; d 1587 Marden,Wiltshire,England 9 Elizabeth CARPENTER-14707: b Abt 1520 of Hertford,Herefordshire, England 10 Robert CARPENTER-24965: b Abt 1520/1525 of,Downton,Wiltshire, England; m Abt 1550 ,,England 11 Isabella STORKE-15281: b Abt 1525 ,Wiltshire,England; d Aft 1590 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5th GENERATION 16 Robert CARPENTER-14706: b Abt 1495 Upton Scudamore,Wiltshire, England; m Abt 1519 ,,England; bu Bef 25 Jun 1545 Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire,England 17 Elizabeth-19787: b Abt 1500 of,Wiltshire,England 18 John CARPENTER-93: b Abt 1495 of,Wrington,Somerset,England; m ,, England; d Abt 1540 Austerfield,Yorkshire,England 19 Abigail-696: b Abt 1500 of,Delwine,Hertfordshire,England 20 William CARPENTER 2nd-2641: b Abt 1464 Homme,Hertfordshire,England; m Abt 1520/1525 ,,England; d Aft 11 Jul 1547 of Charlton,Downton, Wiltshire,England 21 Maud-24955: b Abt 1495 ,,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6th GENERATION 32 Richard CARPENTER Rev.-2781: b 1465/1470 Homme,Hertfordshire, England; d 1503 ,Wiltshire,England 36 James CARPENTER-92: b Abt 1460 Homme,Hertfordshire,England; m Abt 1495 ,,,England; d 1537 Dilwyn,Herefordshire,England 37 (CARPENTER)-698: b Abt 1470 of,Dilwyn,Hertfordshire,England 40 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AHNENTAFEL CHART 9 Sep 1999 Page 2 ============================================================ 41 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7th GENERATION 64 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England 65 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 72 William CARPENTER William of Homme-91: b Abt 1440 Homme, Hertfordshire,England; d Abt 1520 of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England 73 (CARPENTER)-700: b Abt 1444 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 80 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 81 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8th GENERATION 128 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 129 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 144 John the younger CARPENTER-90: b Abt 1410 of London,Middlesex, England; d Abt 1476/1480 Homme,Hertfordshire,England 145 (CARPENTER)-702: b Abt 1414 of,Homme,Hertfordshire,England 160 John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England 161 (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9th GENERATION 256 John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England 257 (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England 288 John the elder CARPENTER-88: b Abt 1360/1364 of London,Middlesex, England; m Bef 1399 of London,Middlesex,England 289 (CARPENTER)-4674: b 1376 of London,Middlesex,England 320 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 321 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10th GENERATION 512 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 513 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 576 Richard CARPENTER-86: b Abt 1335 of London,Middlesex,England; m ,,, England; bu 1395 St.Martin Church,Outwich,London,England 577 Christina-87: b Abt 1335/1337 of London,Middlesex,England; d Aft 1384 640 John OR Jean CARPENTIER le-85: b Abt 1303/1305 de Grand Pont,Du Nord, France; m Bef 1334 ,,England; d Aft 1345 Dilwyne,Herefordshire, England 641 (CARPENTER)-4677: b Abt 1305/1313 Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England ============================================================

Too much infighting for my tolerance. I've just about worn out my "delete" key.

One matter that has concerned me on a deeper level is one you might call "reverence" defined in my dictionary as, "The feelng or attitude of deep respect tinged with awe; veneration". My own personal feeling is that since I am sure I am a descendant of the Rehoboth Carpenter family, the last thing I would do, is in any way distort or degrade my family history. If I wasn't really sure I was a descendant, a kind of maybe I am and maybe I'm not emotion, then I might regard family history as merely a toy or harmless hobby. It is like walking into an ancient church and deciding to rearrange things to your own liking. There is something lacking in such an individual, a truly deep tie, the "awe" in my above definition above. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

"Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > Chuck: > I notice from your web page (Tara Ann Carpenter) you have a tolerance > for dubious genealogy. Also I notice you have nothing > to do with our Rehoboth/Providence Carpenter family. What not > mind your own business? > BC > > -----Original Message----- > From: CHUCKATSBS@aol.com <CHUCKATSBS@aol.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: Tony Again???? > > >Geez, "professor," you sure are a slow learner! Ad hominems are poor > >substitutes for civilized discourse. > > Dear Sir, I have only been part of this forum for a few short months in which time I have witnessed more squabbles than my teenagers contrive in a year. I doubt (and pray) that my line of CARPENTER is derived from Rehoboth/Providence CARPENTER' but I didn't realize that they had to be to be part of the discussion and researchgoing on here. Thank you for clarifying that for me. Loretta Luquette

Loretta Luquette wrote: > > "Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > > > Chuck: > > I notice from your web page (Tara Ann Carpenter) you have a tolerance > > for dubious genealogy. Also I notice you have nothing > > to do with our Rehoboth/Providence Carpenter family. What not > > mind your own business? > > BC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CHUCKATSBS@aol.com <CHUCKATSBS@aol.com> > > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Tony Again???? > > > > >Geez, "professor," you sure are a slow learner! Ad hominems are poor > > >substitutes for civilized discourse. > > > > > Dear Sir, > I have only been part of this forum for a few short months in which > time I have witnessed more squabbles than my teenagers contrive in a year. > I doubt (and pray) that my line of CARPENTER is derived from > Rehoboth/Providence CARPENTER' but I didn't realize that they had to be to > be part of the discussion and researchgoing on here. Thank you for > clarifying that for me. > > Loretta Luquette Pray God that my line runs through the Zimmermans of Germany or Switzerland.

>From Gill Carpenter. I think can help Bruce R Carpenter, I feel sure that the Port of Fowyk is the place known as Fowey [pronounced "Foy"] and is on the South coast of Cornwall. It is still a working port. Last year I watched a large sea-going ship loading with china clay which is mined locally near St. Austell. I was in Cornwall with my husband Tony [ who you all know] to meet some newly found relations. Tony had traced my family to Cornwall, as I come from Job and Tabb roots, both Cornish families. You may be interested to know that there was a connection between the Jobs and Carpenters, which was found in my husband's research, though it was purely a commercial and financial connection. Zephaniah Job, one of my maternal ancestors was blessed with an understanding of mathematics, he set up a small school in the fishing village of Polperro, where the inhabitants supplemented their meagre income by smuggling contraband goods. It did not take long for Zephaniah to become bookkeeper and middle man for the smuggling fraternity as most of them could neither read or write. The Guernsey Merchants wanted a contact as guarantor for the payments of the goods after they were sold in England. It was not long before he became known as the Smugglers Banker and was issuing his own five pound notes. The financial entrepreneur's activities came to the knowledge of the local landowner, Sir William Trelawny, who, as many landowners were in the Eighteenth century, was in some financial difficulty. Trelawney retained Zephaniah as his Steward who took over and expertly managed all his financial affairs. Not bad for a miner's son. For nearly fifty years, until his death in 1822, the inhabitants of Polperro profited from Zepheniah Job's network of influential business contacts that included all levels of society. Zephaniah's lawyer and great friend was a John Phillips Carpenter who had a daughter Patience, who subsequently married Sir Harry Trelawney's son, William Lewis who, incidentally, was educated at Oriel College Oxford. With reference to the Great City of York, it is situated on the river Ouse. The river flows to the Humber estuary and thence to the North Sea. York was an inland port for many centuries, its history can be traced back to pre-Roman times. By the way, Lavenham in West Suffolk is about fifty miles away from London, and cannot in the wildest of imaginings be considered part of the Greater London conurbation! Hope you don't mind me adding my two penny's worth into the debate, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot a missing link. Gill Carpenter

In early England every king and noble had his carpenter, a respected member of his household.I mentioned earlier John of Gaunt's carpenter, who used "le Carpentier" as an almost title. He had his own surname as well and sometimes used used that. These individuals had great importance and power. King William's carpenters were perhaps the first recorded examples. At any rate these carpenters in the Doomsday Book have nothing to with the merchant family that produced Bishop John of Worcester. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

I am curious about this pedigree... > 1 William CARPENTER-662: b Abt 1608/1611 Amesbury,Wiltshire,England; d > 7 Sep 1685 Pawtuxet,Providence,RI > > 2 Richard CARPENTER-669: b Abt 1575/1578 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England; > m 1 Sep 1606 Dwelly Wells,Parish,Nettlecombe,England; d 7 Aug 1625 > Ilchester,Somerset,England > 3 Susanna TRIVILIAN-1432: b 1592 Nettlecomb,Somerset,England Given the apparent uncertainty over the date of William's birth, and the commonness of the name, what evidence is there that (A) he was born at Amesbury or (B) his parents were named Richard and Susanna, much less that (C) they were originally from a different county? It seems to me that we would find it more profitable to focus efforts on the weak links closer at hand than medieval times. For myself, I'd really like to focus on an even more recent weak link. It seems that D.H. Carpenter's book assigns my line to the Rehoboth branch, but the evidence is wholly lacking, and I'd be interested in finding some confirmation or refutation... Here is the weak link: a certain Thomas Carpenter died in 1815 at Exeter, RI, intestate, and his estate was administered by his son Benjamin of South Kingstown. That would appear to be the same Benjamin who died in S.K. in 1840, aged 76 (contrary to what the book says, which is that he lived from 1756 to 1829). Be that as it may, can anybody show me some evidence to link this Thomas Carpenter to the birth record of a Thomas Carpenter in East Greenwich, RI back in 1738 (father named Thomas but mother not named)? The age fits fine, but I would really like to see something more than pure intuition here. John Chandler

Boy I am sure glad my Carpenters come from Louisiana. This petty infighting is turning people off, and causing them to leave . Margaret