John in La Mesa: Your recent charts seem to say (if I'm getting it right) that William Carpenter who was born 1605--and who ABC identifies as #16, who immigrated to Rehoboth with wife Abigail & kids in 1638--that the wife of this William Carpenter was Abigail Briant. Assuming I have that right, what is the source of the Briant info? Also the wives' surnames just one or two generations above that? Thanks. Robin

More info on my John Carpenter & Susannah Cole family. I found in "Ohio Gateway to the West" vol.III, no.II, pg 64+ : John Carpenter married Susannah Cole 3/30/1837 (no info on place) In the 1850 Indiana Census in La Grange Co. I found: John Carpenter age 44 M born OH Susan Carpenter age 31 F born NY James age 9 M born OH Nancy age 7 F born OH Andrew (my gg grandfather) age 4 M born OH John age 2 M born IN Henry (or Harvey, spelling was bad) age 3/12 M born IN I'm look for more information on the parents and beyond, John Carpenter and Susannah Cole. Does anyone have anything on them?

Like so many others, I am appalled with he attacks, rude comments, and just plain bad manners in some exchanges here. Many subscribers have quit, and many more shall quit if it keeps up. Here is a suggestion; should be create two separate Carpenter lists--one for American ancestry only, the other for arguments about English, French, Flemish and earlier debates. It seems most of the bad stuff is over highly dubious feel-good heritage from the time of the crusades...which is interesting history (and even interesting debate, back when it was civil), but for most of us, not really what we're here for. If we could have a list dedicated just to American Carpenters, there would still be differences, but the level of documentation and knowability would be much higher. I would hope. How 'bout it, listmaster? Robin

I just joined the list this morning. If this is what goes on here, think I will unsubscribe. Dont like it already. Joan Jan Deal wrote: > I have had my fill of mud-slinging and insults. I can only feel sorry for the > new subscribers who are seriously trying to do their research on this list. > > "Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > > > Dear John: > > I was a PFC. We were trained to kill only North Vietnamese > > and their political operatives. You are not a descendant > > of any DeMelun. To be a descendant of a monkey > > is not an invitation to continue to be one. As for your > > poor English, buy a book and practise. > > Most sincerely, > > Bruce E. Carpenter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John L. Carpenter <jcarp45@top.monad.net> > > To: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:26 PM > > Subject: Re: LaMesa John and Tony > > > > > > > >-----Your are right about the English Lesson and perhaps spelling too I am > > >probably of The Demulun family ,arrogant & stupid enought to be trained to > > >go to war and kill,kill anything in slanted eyes . I came from a family of > > >hard working uneducated men, Whos ancestors came down from the tree's > > >My opinon is : Nothing I don't feel qualifed nor do I give a damn about if > > >my family was murders in the crusaders If you were in Vietnam supposedly > > >probably a ROTC boy we were led to death by many a 2nd Lt. > > >

Great idea. After your message I checked and hope I have mine fixed. For those who have e-mail system like mine, go to tools, inbox assistant, add and then you will be given a choice of what you want to do. I am going to give this a try before I unsubscribe as I am ready to. I am not enjoying the list as it is now. -----Original Message----- From: L. Jeanne Wall <walllj@globalnetisp.net> To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 2:15 AM Subject: Another solution >The e-mail system I use lets me block senders. I've added an address or two >to my list. Now I don't have to look at mail from the most unpleasant of >our group. That way I get the benefits of the list without the *!*@@**!! >I'm enjoying the list again. Give it a try - what you miss you don't need. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Nkobblk@aol.com> >To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 14:59 >Subject: Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #215 > > >> In a message dated 9/10/99 11:23:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >> >> << Business >> >> Hey Chuck >> Isn't about time to delete Bruce? >> He's making a monkey out of this site! >> >

Dear Gil, Glad to hear from you! Say hello to Tony for me! I am glad there is someone who is more familar with English geography than I to clear up the questions! Your comments are appreciated! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Gill M Carpenter wrote: > > >From Gill Carpenter. > > I think can help Bruce R Carpenter, I feel sure that the Port of Fowyk is > the place known as Fowey [pronounced "Foy"] and is on the South coast of > Cornwall. It is still a working port. Last year I watched a large sea-going > ship loading with china clay which is mined locally near St. Austell. I was > in Cornwall with my husband Tony [ who you all know] to meet some newly > found relations. Tony had traced my family to Cornwall, as I come from Job > and Tabb roots, both Cornish families. You may be interested to know that > there was a connection between the Jobs and Carpenters, which was found in > my husband's research, though it was purely a commercial and financial > connection. > > Zephaniah Job, one of my maternal ancestors was blessed with an > understanding of mathematics, he set up a small school in the fishing > village of Polperro, where the inhabitants supplemented their meagre income > by smuggling contraband goods. It did not take long for Zephaniah to become > bookkeeper and middle man for the smuggling fraternity as most of them could > neither read or write. The Guernsey Merchants wanted a contact as > guarantor for the payments of the goods after they were sold in England. It > was not long before he became known as the Smugglers Banker and was issuing > his own five pound notes. > > The financial entrepreneur's activities came to the knowledge of the local > landowner, > Sir William Trelawny, who, as many landowners were in the Eighteenth > century, was in some financial difficulty. Trelawney retained Zephaniah as > his Steward who took over and expertly managed all his financial affairs. > Not bad for a miner's son. For nearly fifty years, until his death in 1822, > the inhabitants of Polperro profited from Zepheniah Job's network of > influential business contacts that included all levels of society. > Zephaniah's lawyer and great friend was a John Phillips Carpenter who had a > daughter Patience, who subsequently married Sir Harry Trelawney's son, > William Lewis who, incidentally, was educated at Oriel College Oxford. > > With reference to the Great City of York, it is situated on the river Ouse. > The river flows to the Humber estuary and thence to the North Sea. York was > an inland port for many centuries, its history can be traced back to > pre-Roman times. > > By the way, Lavenham in West Suffolk is about fifty miles away from London, > and cannot in the wildest of imaginings be considered part of the Greater > London conurbation! > > Hope you don't mind me adding my two penny's worth into the debate, > sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot a missing link. > Gill Carpenter

I have had my fill of mud-slinging and insults. I can only feel sorry for the new subscribers who are seriously trying to do their research on this list. "Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > Dear John: > I was a PFC. We were trained to kill only North Vietnamese > and their political operatives. You are not a descendant > of any DeMelun. To be a descendant of a monkey > is not an invitation to continue to be one. As for your > poor English, buy a book and practise. > Most sincerely, > Bruce E. Carpenter > > -----Original Message----- > From: John L. Carpenter <jcarp45@top.monad.net> > To: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: LaMesa John and Tony > > > > >-----Your are right about the English Lesson and perhaps spelling too I am > >probably of The Demulun family ,arrogant & stupid enought to be trained to > >go to war and kill,kill anything in slanted eyes . I came from a family of > >hard working uneducated men, Whos ancestors came down from the tree's > >My opinon is : Nothing I don't feel qualifed nor do I give a damn about if > >my family was murders in the crusaders If you were in Vietnam supposedly > >probably a ROTC boy we were led to death by many a 2nd Lt. > >

This was posted today on a list for South Central KY I subscribe to. CARPENTER, Samuel E, Sr. parents from Germany bef Rev War; served NC legislature; came to Barren Co 1797 (now in Allen Co). Could this be a son of Christian Zimmerman/Carpenter? Martha Hardcastle Guthrie "The cheese stands alone" You can see my pathetic wobbly first web page at: http://hometown.aol.com/lofiwoman/myhomepage/index.html Coming soon! Martha's "I Used to be a Babe" page!

Amen! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Gaulds of Fife Lake wrote: > > I posted this once before and thought it might be time again. > > NOTHING IS MORE VALUABLE. . . . . . . > _by Smirose_____________ > Nothing is more valuable than > the time you have left. > > Everyone is born with a limited amount of time. > Every moment we live . . . . . . . > weather we are working, playing, > complaining, or being thankful. . . . . > is the time that we've spent. > > When we're pursuing our passion, > it isn't just getting to the goal that counts, > because the journey is as rewarding as the end result. > > At the end of our lives we can say, > I loved my life------ > the ultimate definition of success. > > Now on with Genealogy ...... Yea! > > :) > Anita > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld > Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Have over 30,000 individuals in my database. > Willing to do quick look-ups. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner.. > Carpenter..Chromie..Cook..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.. > Galick..Gauld..Gianella..Gilmore..Gnoli..Kramy..Laman..Loomis.. > Malysiak..Marek..Marlow..Merlo..Mitrovich..Monelli..Newton.. > Ottolini..Overman..Pisoni..Puricelli..Small..Travato..Wright > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314 > Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315 > Family Tree Maker Descendant Trees: > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html > Sunshine and Shadows memoirs by Evangeline (Cook) Wright at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/4343/ > Surnames: http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.html > VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948): > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > QUERIES: > View: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314/geobook.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > E-Mail: Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com > agauld@mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work > agauld@gtii.com (please send attachments here) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Contact me by web pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23187866 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You can respond to this e-mail online. > If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 23187866 > You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Sharing is contagious. > Unless you tell me otherwise, > sharing with me is assumed as permission > to share with others. Much of the data > I share is data others have shared with me > and unverified by me personally. *grin* > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > As long as we are Remembered we Never die > A life is not lost when it is known to future generations

In a message dated 9/10/99 11:23:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Business >> Hey Chuck Isn't about time to delete Bruce? He's making a monkey out of this site!

Dear SCruznCA, This one has got me stumped. I have hundreds of Carpenters in OH in that time period. I also have one John Carpenter born in Belmont county in 1806 but he died in 1829. Can you provide any more data? Locations, thoughts? Have you also checked the "Cole" Roots Web Page? John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA SCruznCA@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have John Carpenter born abt 1806 in OH who married Susannah Cole > born abt 1819 in NY? > > They were married 1837 in OH. Their children are James (1841), Nancy (1843), > Andrew (2/12/1846), John (1848), Henry or Harvey (1850), and Hiram (1852).

I am appalled at the comments of supposed researchers into the name of Carpenter.If you can't keep your bitchy remarks to yourselves then I suggest you unsubscribe and leave this space to the rest of us.From an English CARPENTER and proud of it.

Carolyn - Who put this book together and is it about any and all Carpenters or just some branches of Carpenters if you know? Thanks. Kris

I posted this once before and thought it might be time again. NOTHING IS MORE VALUABLE. . . . . . . _by Smirose_____________ Nothing is more valuable than the time you have left. Everyone is born with a limited amount of time. Every moment we live . . . . . . . weather we are working, playing, complaining, or being thankful. . . . . is the time that we've spent. When we're pursuing our passion, it isn't just getting to the goal that counts, because the journey is as rewarding as the end result. At the end of our lives we can say, I loved my life------ the ultimate definition of success. Now on with Genealogy ...... Yea! :) Anita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have over 30,000 individuals in my database. Willing to do quick look-ups. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner.. Carpenter..Chromie..Cook..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.. Galick..Gauld..Gianella..Gilmore..Gnoli..Kramy..Laman..Loomis.. Malysiak..Marek..Marlow..Merlo..Mitrovich..Monelli..Newton.. Ottolini..Overman..Pisoni..Puricelli..Small..Travato..Wright ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314 Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315 Family Tree Maker Descendant Trees: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html Sunshine and Shadows memoirs by Evangeline (Cook) Wright at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/4343/ Surnames: http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.html VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948): http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUERIES: View: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314/geobook.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Mail: Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com agauld@mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work agauld@gtii.com (please send attachments here) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact me by web pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23187866 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can respond to this e-mail online. If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 23187866 You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. *grin* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As long as we are Remembered we Never die A life is not lost when it is known to future generations

>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:00:24 >To: " John L. Carpenter" <jcarp45@top.monad.net> >From: Linda Hannah <Jamila@thuntek.net> >Subject: Re: LaMesa John and Tony > >At 02:14 PM 9/9/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I agree!! Please Gentlemen let's drop the name calling and inelegant, unprofessional behavior. I thought we had finished and moved on. Linda in Albuq. >> >>---- >> >>>, >>>"The feelng or attitude of deep respect tinged with >>> I think you are a over inflated egotistic >>You have high opion of your info and every body else is stupid a crook or >>less than perfect. I respect your material and enjoy reading the info you >>put out If you dont ageee with others keep the name calling offf the roots >>page and keep the opions to 1 to 1 >> >> >> > Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, Stoner, Wollet.

I was looking at the 1860 census in Bureau Co. Ill and came across a lonely Willliam Carpenter and family in the town of Fiskiliva, I think that's how it looks like it is spelled. This census was taken 12 June 1860. 547 William Carpenter 39 M Constable 1000, 200 born RI Manula " 30 F OH Evaline " 8 F IL Sarah M. " 6 F IL Wm. J. " 3 M IL Jane " 1 F IL Hopes this helps someone! I couldn't find my Joseph Ira Carpenter Family in Harpersfield, Ashtabula Co., ILL where suppposedly my grt grandfather Reynolds Priestly was born, 1858, nor in Cherry Valley, still in Ashtabula Co, nor in Princeton, Bureau Co., nor in Greenville where the farm was, but I think that came later. Do I have any relatives on the list that can help? I did find an index book with Joe Ira's and Flora Barthlomew's marriage in 1857 in Ashtabula!! So I can write for that. Thanks, Linda in Albuq. Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, Stoner, Wollet.

Professor (and believe me when I use that term loosely!!): I too have Carpenter roots. Whether or not they are the same as yours makes absolutely no difference to me. Please try to use a little decorum and respect when dealing with others on this list. We are not your "peasants" no matter how grandious an opinion you may have of yourself. I have kept quiet for weeks until I can take no more but I refuse to unsubscribe to a list that I am entitled to use as well as you or anyone else. Let's give the attitude an adjustment. PLEASE! Patti Clearwater,Florida

List Each time I download a Mime file and try to open it, I get an error message saying I am missing a .ddi file. I'm sure that I am missing out by not being able ot open lots of files. Can someone tel me how I can go about getting one of these .ddi files? Jim Coleman

In my subsequent letter see how the "Drapers of London" lived in the Cornhill district and buried the eminent of the numbers in St. Peter's Church. You would have to be Carpenter monkey not to care! Professor Carpenter

Dear John: I was a PFC. We were trained to kill only North Vietnamese and their political operatives. You are not a descendant of any DeMelun. To be a descendant of a monkey is not an invitation to continue to be one. As for your poor English, buy a book and practise. Most sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: John L. Carpenter <jcarp45@top.monad.net> To: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: LaMesa John and Tony > >-----Your are right about the English Lesson and perhaps spelling too I am >probably of The Demulun family ,arrogant & stupid enought to be trained to >go to war and kill,kill anything in slanted eyes . I came from a family of >hard working uneducated men, Whos ancestors came down from the tree's >My opinon is : Nothing I don't feel qualifed nor do I give a damn about if >my family was murders in the crusaders If you were in Vietnam supposedly >probably a ROTC boy we were led to death by many a 2nd Lt. >