I am thinking of unsubscribing (for all the reasons stated), but am still hoping that someone has this individual in his/her line. There were boatloads of Royal Carpenters, but I have nothing on this one except descendants, a brief biographical sketch, and the record of marriage to Temperance Ayres in Franklin County, Ohio. Does anyone have parents/siblings? Barbara Archer

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEFC66.8AECEFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear American Cousins I attached a page from my book Re your roots. The passengers on the ship Bevis, This William of Hants, is the source of the Rehoboth Carpenters. 1638. As you all know there was and second branch we call the Providence branch, From Richard of Wilts to William.of Providence 1635? The above is the American source and is the starting point of all your research. My family research is the English Branch from 920 to1999.as I stated before this has taken place over many years with no input from the internet but by hard work,and by visiting most of the family seats, spending many hundreds of hours reading and recording material. Because I live in the country I am researching, records are no further than 150 miles travelling. I have had problems with my server and apologise to any of you if I have not replied to your e-mails. Please contact me direct if you wish. note the change of my address. Can I leave you with two quotes One from my father in-law who was Gentleman in all senses of the word and a well known cancer research scientist. "If you cannot say anything good about a person say nothing " And one of my own that I told my children. " Always be Constructive not Destructive." and I sign off with one of my poems. My uncle Fred, went to bed, and woke up dead, so my aunt Mable said. Tony C. Wot ar u like. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEFC66.8AECEFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="SOUTHAMPTON May 1638.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="SOUTHAMPTON May 1638.txt" SOUTHAMPTON May 1638 List of Passengers intending to ship themselves on the Sailing Ship = "BEVIS" 150 tonnes. ROBERT BATTEN Master for New England and thus by virtue of the Lord = Treasurers Warrant of the second of May which was after the restraint = and they some days gone to sea before the King's Proclamation came unto = Southampton. Ages: 40 John Frey of Basing [Wheelwright] His wife and 3 children 40 Richard Austin [Tailor] of Bishopstoke, His wife and 2 children And Robert Knight his servant [Carpenter] 37 Christopher Batt of Sarum [Tanner] 32 Anne Batt his Wife 20 Dorothy Batt their Sister and 5 children under 10 years 24 Thomas Good [Servant] 22 Eliza Blackston [Servant] 62 WILLIAM CARPENTER of Horwell [Wherewell] 33 WILLIAM CARPENTER JR. of Horwell 32 ABIGAIL CARPENTER Wife, and 4 children under 10 years 14 Thomas Banshott [Servant] 38 Annis Littlefield and 6 children. John Knight [Carpenter] [Servant] Heugh Durdal [Servant] 26 Henry Byley of Sarum [Tanner] 22 Mary Byley Wife and Thomas Reeves [Servant] 20 John Byley 40 Richard Dummer of New England 35 Alice Dummer of New England 19 Thomas Dummer 19 Jane Dummer 9 Stephen Dummer 6 Dorathie Dummer 4 Richard Dummer 2 Thomas Dummer 30 John Hutchinson [Carpenter] 26 Frauncis Alcocke 19 Adam Mott [Tailor] 22 Will Wackerfield 20 Nathaniel Parker of London [Baker] 18 Samuel Poore 14 Dayell Poore 20 Alice Poore 15 Richard Bayley 20 Anne Wackerfield Total of 61 Passengers Hen Champante. Custr. N.Dingley, Cmptr. Thos. Wulfris, Coll. Note: The close relationshship between the families = CARPENTER-BATT-BYLEY-POORE is evidenced by their passage on this ship. = The inter-marrying of these families is shown on the persons connected = sheet, all within St. Edmunds Church, Salisbury, Wilts. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEFC66.8AECEFC0--

> Here is a suggestion; should be create two separate Carpenter lists--one > for American ancestry only, the other for arguments about English, French, > Flemish and earlier debates. It seems most of the bad stuff is over highly > dubious feel-good heritage from the time of the crusades...which is > interesting history (and even interesting debate, back when it was civil), > but for most of us, not really what we're here for. Being your basic lurker on this list, I very strongly agree with Robin's idea. I would even take it another step and suggest another list for the Carpenter's that come from the Zimmerman line (like me... I think). There is such an over whelming amount of information on the Carpenters coming from the Northern part of the country that the list is almost useless to folks from the Zimmerman line, not to mention the discussions taking place about who did what in Europe. I have been considering leaving the list for some time now and while I have been sitting here writing this I have made up my mind. If and when other Carpenter lists are created please broadcast an announcement. Respectfully Roger A Cabin in the Woods - http://www.intrepid.net/~rchristo

Some options to deal with the resurrection of bad behavior on the Carp list: (1) The list master may pay attention if you e-mailed him DIRECTLY with your complaints. I have two addresses for him which are: chuck2@evcom.net chuck2@pop3.evcom.net (2) Filtering out the e-mail addresses of the offending parties is a great idea. Please see e-mails from other list members that contain instructions on how to do this. (3) When receiving the offensive e-mails forward them directly back to the offender. It's a passive-aggressive maneuver but might make us feel better!! Make sure you are forwarding the e-mails back to the individual's e-mail address and not the Carp list address.

-----Hi my name is Icabod Mudd with 2 D's

I'm with you, Ernest.

Previously, Elder John, Younger John and brother Robert Carpenter were found about 1400 in the wool cloth production business about fifty miles from London in Levenham, a city with easy river access to the coast. In association with the Carpenters was found the Cooke family who came to dominate London finance and politics in the 1400s. The following quotations from Herbert’s HISTORY OF THE LIVERY COMPANIES OF LONDON goes a long way in explaining Town Clerk John Carpenters choice of Cornhill for his residence and Saint Peter’s Church for his final resting place, as well as additional evidence for family connections to traditions of wool and cloth. The old English term for a manufacturer of wool cloth was “draper”. “The ancient members of the trade lived in and about Cornhill, and by the name of the “Fraternity of the Drapers of Cornhill,” had their gild in St. Mary Bethlem-hospital Church, Bishopsgate. They also then held their annual feast on the purification of that saint. The introduction of the Dutch and Flemish weavers occasioned the settlement afterwards of many of the drapers in Candlewick ward, and, ultimately, the building of the first Draper’s Hall on St. Swithin’s lane.” (P.401). In a note on the above: “The evidences of the draper’s former residence on the spots described, are found in abundance in the ancient notices of interments in St. Peters and St. Michael’s, Cornhill.” This seemingly woolly lore is of great interest given the Herefordshire Carpenters residence only five miles from the greatest wool producing area in England at the time, in Leominster, Herefordshire. The Herefordshire Carpenter’s source of livelihood has yet to revealed, but is now not difficult to imagine. At a later date I will discuss the first member of this family lineage in England, Ada Carpenterio or Adam Carpentier as he is variously referred to in Latin or Norman-French. Adam was a major landowner in Herefordshire, and no doubt a major wool producer. His activities in the early 1200s match exactly with the 17th century genealogist/historian Jean le Carpentier’s account of the Flemish Carpenters and the move to England from Flanders of members of the family. Bruce E. Carpenter

The listowner from another list that was in the same state of mind as our Carpenter list posted this statement and I thought how true. Please read and lets get back to genealogy. Okay! Enough is Enough. I am proud of who my ancestors were, the good, the bad, everything. >Hi Family, It's time I stop our list from falling apart. Our list was not started to hurt each others feelings. It's time we stop and think why we are here in the first place. Since we can't see each other we really don't know what is going on in each others lives. Let's be a lot more understanding now and use manners with each other. :) Anita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have over 30,000 individuals in my database. Willing to do quick look-ups. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner.. Carpenter..Chromie..Cook..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.. Galick..Gauld..Gianella..Gilmore..Gnoli..Kramy..Laman..Loomis.. Malysiak..Marek..Marlow..Merlo..Mitrovich..Monelli..Newton.. Ottolini..Overman..Pisoni..Puricelli..Small..Travato..Wright ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314 Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315 Family Tree Maker Descendant Trees: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html Sunshine and Shadows memoirs by Evangeline (Cook) Wright at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/4343/ Surnames: http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.html VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948): http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUERIES: View: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314/geobook.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Mail: Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com agauld@mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work agauld@gtii.com (please send attachments here) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact me by web pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23187866 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can respond to this e-mail online. If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 23187866 You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. *grin* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As long as we are Remembered we Never die A life is not lost when it is known to future generations

--WebTV-Mail-20675-7702 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-20675-7702 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQL3ZeNqSQvBz4j3ls0fobCGsqQHgIUWJ8MfkQU331k9uQCvxtTDIZJkFs= From: skye523@webtv.net Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:18:24 -0400 (EDT) To: eadsmyth@email.msn.com (E. & D. Smith) Subject: Re: THE MAD MAN Message-ID: <16538-37D9D810-2610@postoffice-273.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "E. & D. Smith" <eadsmyth@email.msn.com>'s message of Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:50:12 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-28523-1456 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) --WebTV-Mail-28523-1456 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit List Manager, I, too, agree with this sentiment. It is time to remove him from this list. This is outrageous conduct to continue to allow. as the list owner has said we 'are all adults" but he has forgotten that some are bigots and unbalanced and should be removed from the list. Isn't this the list owners responsibility to the rest of the list? S.K. Garrett Genealogists never die they just lose their census. --WebTV-Mail-28523-1456 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <CARPENTER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.adl.990907) with ESMTP id UAA09262; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21710; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000801befc08$c303d9e0$7820143f@mqezwdzn> From: "E. & D. Smith" <eadsmyth@email.msn.com> Old-To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: THE MAD MAN Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:50:12 -0500 Organization: Microsoft Corporation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <CxnrSB.A.ASF.DHd23@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2205 X-Loop: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CARPENTER-L-request@rootsweb.com List Manager, How long will you tolerate the ravings of this mad man who is destroying the very foundations of genealogical research. If I wanted Hitler I would read Mein Kamph. His arrogant, biased, racial purity remarks do not belong here. They are reminiscent of the 'my way or nothing philosophy' that has been prevalent in the minds of the tyrants of this century. What intelligent researcher would not have questions of the validity of his research after he has demonstrated so many character flaws and obvious psychological problems. Genealogy has been fun for me for 30 years, let's keep it that way. DELETE HIM!!!! Ernest W. Smith Dallas, Texas --WebTV-Mail-28523-1456-- --WebTV-Mail-20675-7702--

The 1890-1891 Business Directory for Farmers in Jefferson Cty, NE included: W. H. Carpenter of Harking, Jefferson Cty S. B. Carpenter of Daykin, Jefferson Cty Audrey

List Manager, How long will you tolerate the ravings of this mad man who is destroying the very foundations of genealogical research. If I wanted Hitler I would read Mein Kamph. His arrogant, biased, racial purity remarks do not belong here. They are reminiscent of the 'my way or nothing philosophy' that has been prevalent in the minds of the tyrants of this century. What intelligent researcher would not have questions of the validity of his research after he has demonstrated so many character flaws and obvious psychological problems. Genealogy has been fun for me for 30 years, let's keep it that way. DELETE HIM!!!! Ernest W. Smith Dallas, Texas

Heh-heh! My real name is John Smith, and I'm sticking to it! ---------- > From: Bob Carpenter <robertc@fidalgo.net> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Tony Again???? > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:34 AM > > Loretta Luquette wrote: > > > > "Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > > > > > Chuck: > > > I notice from your web page (Tara Ann Carpenter) you have a tolerance > > > for dubious genealogy. Also I notice you have nothing > > > to do with our Rehoboth/Providence Carpenter family. What not > > > mind your own business? > > > BC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: CHUCKATSBS@aol.com <CHUCKATSBS@aol.com> > > > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 8:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: Tony Again???? > > > > > > >Geez, "professor," you sure are a slow learner! Ad hominems are poor > > > >substitutes for civilized discourse. > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > I have only been part of this forum for a few short months in which > > time I have witnessed more squabbles than my teenagers contrive in a year. > > I doubt (and pray) that my line of CARPENTER is derived from > > Rehoboth/Providence CARPENTER' but I didn't realize that they had to be to > > be part of the discussion and researchgoing on here. Thank you for > > clarifying that for me. > > > > Loretta Luquette > > Pray God that my line runs through the Zimmermans of Germany or > Switzerland. >

Dear Gentlepersons, Carpenter/DeMelun or not, My suggestion is this: Why don't the guys with poor upbringing--or whatever it is that makes them so churlish--correspond man to man, back-channel, off list, at the OK Corral, whatever, where the rest of us need not be exposed to it, and let the rest of us work on our ancestry and on having a nice, friendly, cooperative list where we can work TOWARD something?! My experience with true historians is that they contend the issues of history with enthusiasm and joy, and use evidence to make a point, while recognizing the other historian's right to disagree. In other words, they respect each other, while differing on the interpretation of history. This nastiness that I see some people writing on this list strikes me as being more like the nanner-nanner of the prepubescent playground. Can't you guys get off it for a while? You have so much to share with us. So why not engage in a rational exchange of ideas, views, and evidence? Why not, in those areas in which you obviously will never agree--or will never agree until much more evidence is brought forth and one or both are willing to listen to the other's arguments--agree to disagree, and move on to the next item of discussion? In all my years of studying history, I don't recall any argument being resolved by use of virulent language and personal defamation. One other thing: Please. . . State your credentials, if you wish to use them as part of proving a point. For example, "I am Sidney Fine, Ph.D. I am a Professor of History at the University of Michigan, and author of the following works: . . . , etc." If you won't share the credentials, then let's stop making claims of that sort. Please: let's stop shouting, and reason with each other. I hesitate to send this, because I really believe that if everyone on the list refused to respond to this vitriolic nonsense, it would go away. Some people just seem to like stirring things up and disrupting other people's good time. Can we now discuss our real, actual, with-all-their-warts ancestors? Thanks! George R. Carpenter ---------- > From: Joan Wyatt <mewyatt@uakron.edu> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Monkey Business > Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 7:03 PM > > I just joined the list this morning. If this is what goes on here, think I will > unsubscribe. Dont like it already. > Joan > > Jan Deal wrote: > > > I have had my fill of mud-slinging and insults. I can only feel sorry for the > > new subscribers who are seriously trying to do their research on this list. > > > > "Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote: > > > > > Dear John: > > > I was a PFC. We were trained to kill only North Vietnamese > > > and their political operatives. You are not a descendant > > > of any DeMelun. To be a descendant of a monkey > > > is not an invitation to continue to be one. As for your > > > poor English, buy a book and practise. > > > Most sincerely, > > > Bruce E. Carpenter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John L. Carpenter <jcarp45@top.monad.net> > > > To: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > > > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: LaMesa John and Tony > > > > > > > > > > >-----Your are right about the English Lesson and perhaps spelling too I am > > > >probably of The Demulun family ,arrogant & stupid enought to be trained to > > > >go to war and kill,kill anything in slanted eyes . I came from a family of > > > >hard working uneducated men, Whos ancestors came down from the tree's > > > >My opinon is : Nothing I don't feel qualifed nor do I give a damn about if > > > >my family was murders in the crusaders If you were in Vietnam supposedly > > > >probably a ROTC boy we were led to death by many a 2nd Lt. > > > > >

I would be pleased to subscribe to a list consisting of the Zimmerman/Carpenter German lines as there is apparently no common ancestor of all of the warring factions here. If we were all "cousins" the in-fighting would be a bit more tolerable. At first I was amused but now I am growing annoyed. I subscribe to at least 20 genealogy lists and this one's snobbery issues is far more volatile than Protestant/Catholic issues (which flare as you can imagine) on an Irish list to which I subscribe. At least that has a societal mirror. But what is an American Carpenter? Mine were not Carpenters till they came to America. But there are many other American Carpenters with whom I share no common ancestry. I'm not sure if that's the solution, either. Martha HARDCASTLE GUTHRIE Fourth-great granddaughter of Barbara ZIMMERMAN/CARPENTER, daughter of Christian and wife of Peter SEITZ/SIDES. At 07:06 PM 9/10/99 -0400, Robin Carpenter wrote: > If we could have a list dedicated just to American Carpenters, there >would still be differences, but the level of documentation and knowability >would be much higher. I would hope. > How 'bout it, listmaster? > Robin Martha HARDCASTLE GUTHRIE "The cheese stands alone" You can see my pathetic wobbly first web page at: http://hometown.aol.com/lofiwoman/myhomepage/index.html Coming soon! Martha's "I Used to be a Babe" page!

> > Here is a suggestion; should be create two separate Carpenter lists--one > for American ancestry only, the other for arguments about English, French, > Flemish and earlier debates. It seems most of the bad stuff is over highly > dubious feel-good heritage from the time of the crusades...which is > interesting history (and even interesting debate, back when it was civil), > but for most of us, not really what we're here for. Robin, I think that is an excellent idea. I am sure there are other people like me who really don't want to unsubscibe, but whose area of interest is more in the last two hundred years. Cynthia Carpenter Samples -- _________________________________________________________ Cynthia Genealogy World http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~genworld Rockwall County TX GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrockwa Red River County TX GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv

Robin Carpenter wrote: > Like so many others, I am appalled with he attacks, rude comments, and > just plain bad manners in some exchanges here. Many subscribers have quit, > and many more shall quit if it keeps up. > Here is a suggestion; should be create two separate Carpenter lists--one > for American ancestry only, the other for arguments about English, French, > Flemish and earlier debates. It seems most of the bad stuff is over highly > dubious feel-good heritage from the time of the crusades...which is > interesting history (and even interesting debate, back when it was civil), > but for most of us, not really what we're here for. > If we could have a list dedicated just to American Carpenters, there > would still be differences, but the level of documentation and knowability > would be much higher. I would hope. > How 'bout it, listmaster? > Robin Good Idea! -- ************************************************** | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | | http://www.ccstrat.com | **************************************************

Tgrumpy@aol.com wrote: > I am appalled at the comments of supposed researchers into the name of > Carpenter.If you can't keep your bitchy remarks to yourselves then I suggest > you unsubscribe and leave this space to the rest of us.From an English > CARPENTER and proud of it. As a long time user (1988) of the Internet as a regional manager for Sun Microsystems, I have a reasonably good handle on e-mail etiquette. I suggested a month or so ago, that all controversial e-mails contesting sources or opinions be taken offline and up with the parties directly. I see that John is doing his best to follow that rule. I see that professor Bruce either is ignorant of e-mail etiquettte or chooses to ignore this fundamental rule of internet communication. Bruce, will you try a little harder to contribute only your genealogical contributions, which are interesting if one forgets the personality behind the information, to the list. Deal one on one with those that you have a difference of opinion with. ( I know that we shouldn't be ending sentences with prepositions). Otherwise the connections that are being made by Carpenters all over the US by the data base that many of us maintain will suffer since I see that many are just unsubscribing. Wonder how many are unsubscribing with no explanatory e-mail? -- ************************************************** | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | | http://www.ccstrat.com | **************************************************

Ancestor1@aol.com wrote: > Professor (and believe me when I use that term loosely!!): > I too have Carpenter roots. Whether or not they are the same as yours makes > absolutely no difference to me. Please try to use a little decorum and > respect when dealing with others on this list. We are not your "peasants" no > matter how grandious an opinion you may have of yourself. I have kept quiet > for weeks until I can take no more but I refuse to unsubscribe to a list > that I am entitled to use as well as you or anyone else. Let's give the > attitude an adjustment. PLEASE! > > Patti > Clearwater,Florida Patti, simple solution. Just use your Mail Filter to filter the e-mail address of anyone you wish to avoid occupying your inbox. I won't try to guess whose name might appear there. :) -- ************************************************** | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | | http://www.ccstrat.com | **************************************************

--- >>The legal historians state that primogeniture was the rule in colonial New >>York, while in New England children shared equally in the real property of >>parents who died intestate. Does anyone have any experience or thoughts >>regarding primogeniture in the 1600s in Long Island? > > >I don't know about application of English common law to Long Island, >but I have found the following sites bearing on the issue: > >Dower of 1/3 to the wife has apparently been around since time >immemorial in English common law. My observation is that dower was >usually explicitly observed in wills of midwestern states in the >1800's, but I rarely see reference to it in New York wills. Various >discussions of specific cases of primogeniture also included in the >first link below: > > >http://vi.uh.edu/pages/bob/elhone/rules.html > > >English Legal History Materials: > >http://vi.uh.edu/pages/bob/elhone/elhmat.html > >Interent Medieval Legal History: > >http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook-law.html > > Thought this might be of intrest to some folks > > > > >

The e-mail system I use lets me block senders. I've added an address or two to my list. Now I don't have to look at mail from the most unpleasant of our group. That way I get the benefits of the list without the *!*@@**!! I'm enjoying the list again. Give it a try - what you miss you don't need. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nkobblk@aol.com> To: <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 14:59 Subject: Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V99 #215 > In a message dated 9/10/99 11:23:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > CARPENTER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > << Business >> > Hey Chuck > Isn't about time to delete Bruce? > He's making a monkey out of this site! >