I certainly second that. Audrey The Carpenters wrote: > Hey, everyone, Mary's gone. Let's fight!!!!! ;-) > > Good fortune to those of our list who must face the hurrican. May your > worst wind be a breeze. > > George > > ---------- > > From: Mary Carpenter <mccarpenter@yahoo.com> > > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Unsubscribing, just going out of town tho! > > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:08 PM > > > > I'm unsubscribing, but wanted to make sure everyone knew it wasn't for > > good. I'm going back to Wisconsin for a class reunion and to visit my > > Mom. I want everyone to be on their best behavior while I'm gone and > > take a "time-out" and sit in their corners if things get heavy again! > > :)) > > > > See you all in October! > > > > Mary > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > >

This is just a tidbit but I found a Carpenter in my data: Abigail ANNABLE m. Wally CROCKER Nov. 22, 1730 in Barnstable, Barnstable, MA. Their daughter, Temperance Crocker, b. Dec. 18, 1733 m.. Daniel CARPENTER on April 5, 1759 in Barnstable. I have no further information on him. Audrey Annable Franklin

Hey, everyone, Mary's gone. Let's fight!!!!! ;-) Good fortune to those of our list who must face the hurrican. May your worst wind be a breeze. George ---------- > From: Mary Carpenter <mccarpenter@yahoo.com> > To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Unsubscribing, just going out of town tho! > Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:08 PM > > I'm unsubscribing, but wanted to make sure everyone knew it wasn't for > good. I'm going back to Wisconsin for a class reunion and to visit my > Mom. I want everyone to be on their best behavior while I'm gone and > take a "time-out" and sit in their corners if things get heavy again! > :)) > > See you all in October! > > Mary > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

Hi Carl: I am a Carpenter in Wisconsin. I am descended from the Rehobeth line. My family came to Wisconsin via New York in the mid-1800s; first Waukesha County, then Dane County. Linda Carpenter Fry Richland Center, Wisconsin Carl Carpenter wrote: > > Are there any Carpenters out there living in Wisconsin or with grandparents in Wisconsin? > --- > Carl Carpenter > Director - River Chords Women's Barbershop Chorus (not affiliated) > Director - Kerrville Country Gentlemen Chorus (SPEBSQSA) > Lead - KerrTunes > Lead - 4Jazz (MHBQA) > Lead (when I can get there) - San Antonio Chordsmen Chorus (SPEBSQSA) > mailto: cgcarpenter@zdnetmail.com > > Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! > ZDNet Mail - http://www.zdnetmail.com

Don't miss my 'in the works' on the arrival of immagrant Carpenters to England in the 1220s. Lots of surprises. See evidence of their foreign origins. See their wive's names and much familial data, plus their significant changes of abode from Norfolk to Herefordshire and into Middlesex. As expected they 'got the money' and are grabbing land all over coastal England and the Bay of Bristol. All this thanks to the Curia Regis Roles. BC

I just don't get it. Am I Missing something!!!!! People are still complaining and unbsubscribing from the list, or at least they are trying since they haven't bothered to read the directions that they received when they signed onto the list... IF I GET ANOTHER UNSUBSCRIBE sent as a message to me through the list I WILL EXPLODE. It is not Chucks place to unsubscribe the ignorant. WHAT IS THE DEAL, THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT GENEALOGY AND AN APOLOGY ON THIS LIST IN DAYS!!!!!! SOME OF YOU PEOPLE NEED TO UNSUBSCRIBE WHERE THE REST OF US CAN CONTINUE!!!!! SORRY, TERRALD By the way Bruce, I have enjoyed reading your recent postings.

I looked carefully at the best book on 14th century merchants for the meaning of a ship's 'master'. Carus-Wilson's Medieval Merchant Venturers (pp.84-6) explains explicitly that owner, captain and merchant are all synonymous with 'master'. Ships were often jointly owned, as seems the case with our St. Mary, and certainly many ships carried consignments of other merchant's goods. According to Carus-Wilson, not until a century later did the ship, its navigation and its goods become separate businesses. So we Carpenters can claim our ship, the St. Mary, a true Carpenter ship! Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter

Hello To All: And thank you Chuck for being the list person. I have to go to the letter format because the Digest for is getting so large that I get attachments (I said before -- not on my laptop) so I need to get set up with my new email address and then unsubscribe from this list on my Prodigy Email address. I have gotten good info from this list and can go check my data for individuals others are searching for. Keep up the good work and be patient!! The attachments are larger than 25000 bytes -- if rootsweb would limit the Digest to that amount, then they would come without being attachments --- can we persuade the rootsweb people to do that? Marilyn -- gotta go eat lunch!

Are there any Carpenters out there living in Wisconsin or with grandparents in Wisconsin? --- Carl Carpenter Director - River Chords Women's Barbershop Chorus (not affiliated) Director - Kerrville Country Gentlemen Chorus (SPEBSQSA) Lead - KerrTunes Lead - 4Jazz (MHBQA) Lead (when I can get there) - San Antonio Chordsmen Chorus (SPEBSQSA) mailto: cgcarpenter@zdnetmail.com Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.zdnetmail.com

Dear Linda, Amos Bugbee Carpenter in his Carpenter Memorial listed William (b. abt. 1520) as the father of the William born 1576. Amos dropped a generation out of his record, Robert should be after William (1520). (from my notes) !BOOK- GENEALOGY: Amos B. Carpenter, A GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE REHOBOTH BRANCH OF THE CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA. Also known as the CARPENTER MEMORIAL. Published 1898 By: Press of Carpenter & Morehouse, Amherst, MA. This William's father is listed as William born about 1540(/20) in the CM, but this is wrong. Wills and deeds prove Robert as the father. In various articles in Carpenter Chronicals, the Carpenter & Related Family Historical Journal cited the Will of Robert Carpenter as the father of William born in 1576. Raymond George Carpenter who was the author working with Harry Rogers provided... (from my notes) !WILL: His 1607 will lists his wife, who was his cousin Eleanor Carpenter, their children (William, Richard, John, Charles, Robert, Edith, and Alice. A grandson named William and a brother named Richard. He bequeathed money Salibury Cathedral (Old Sarum), which is added evidence for his descent from Vicar Richard Carpenter who had served as Vicar General to the Bishop of Salisbury. He also bequeathed certain lands to his oldest son William and grandson William as well as to his son Richard Carpenter. This Will, copy now at the Carpenter Museum in Rehoboth, MA, is the only one ever found in England that agrees with all the proven facts about the American Carpenter Family. The success in proving this lineage after 300 years of failure was achieved through the superlative work of English Genealogist Harry F. Rogers of Abington, England. The will of William Carpenter born about 1520 (the one Amos refers to) was found and indicates the line as follows: William (1520) Robert (1545), William (1576) then William (1605). !WILL: His will mentions his wife, and arranged for the division of his estate amoung his grandchildren. His children mentioned were Robert, John, Richard, William, Alice, Dyke, and Maud Welling. The majority of the estate was left to Robert and a special bequest was made to Robert's oldest son, William, proving that this son (this William's grandson), William born in 1576, was older than his brother Richard Carpenter. The Late noted genealogist Donald Lines Jacobus of New Haven, CT, after studying the English Carpenter Wills (copies), now at the Carpenter Museum, praised the expert ability of Harry F. Rogers in interpreting those wills and concurred in his belief that Harry had found the correct family in England. The Carpenter Museum in Rehoboth, MA is still cataloging all the papers submitted by Raymond George Carpenter several years ago (as of July 1998). It is a volunteer effort and they had no computer just 3 years ago! They are working with the Blanding Library to update the collection there. I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Linda Hannah wrote: > > Dear John R. > > I finally had to divide my file with yours and Bruces new research. > It was getting too big. So now you both have your own file! > > While going thru it I was reading and updating my FTM fgrp sheets. on > 7/29/99 12:42 pm Re Abigail Carpenter in response to Eleanor Adams you said > that it has now been found through wills and deeds that the father of > William II born 1576 was Robert not William born born 1520. Can you show me > the documents that prove this? Or point me to them? Please name the sources > if they are in a book. I don't want to change my data unless I have the > source of proof. > > Thank you for your last comments. They were very well said. > I'm home today-no substituting job! > Linda in Albuq. > Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, > Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, > Stoner, Wollet.

I'm unsubscribing, but wanted to make sure everyone knew it wasn't for good. I'm going back to Wisconsin for a class reunion and to visit my Mom. I want everyone to be on their best behavior while I'm gone and take a "time-out" and sit in their corners if things get heavy again! :)) See you all in October! Mary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

The following identifies ‘Castre’ as in the then co. Norfork, England. From Patent Rolls, May 17, 1283. The index for the volume insists on co. Norfolk for Castre. “The like to Lovedey and R. de Crepping, touching an appeal which William Gabbe of Rollesby brings in the county of Norfolk against Walter Trig and John son of Mathew le Carpenter of Castre for the death of John Clement of Hemesbey, his kinsman.” This John is no doubt the John in the 1345 document. When these documents speak of “death” it may refer to some accidental death which the relatives or claimants want financial restitution. I was perhaps precipitous in saying John was in Spain. A more careful statement would be he was somewhere in France from the quoted ‘Le Swyn’, a place yet unidentified, but seemingly French. However, John is clearly part owner of a ship with Spainish merchants, presumably importing-exporting to and from Spain. Sincerely, Bruce

Dear Chuck, I have known Bruce for a bit longer and he was quite civil then provided a lot of helpful leads and data. I enjoyed his description of William "the carpenter" as "Wild Bill" tremendously. I agree that the Carpenter Roots Web should be for everyone. As long as we focus on the data and not on our fears we should be okay. "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." There is a gap about 1300 AD from the Carpenters called John/Jean Carpentier and his father Maurice and William "the carpenter" De Melun's line of about 3 or 4 generations. While it appears the connection is quite probable it is not proven. It is speculation or a theory until proven. Were there more than one Carpenter group coming into England from France in the late 1200s? - yes. There appear to be at least 3 related families. Could there have been Carpenters in England prior to this? - yes there were many. Unfortunately only tidbits of data describe them. How can we resolve who was who and when? We can submit the data we find (with sources) and our guess where the data fits. As the pieces of the puzzle come in they will slowly but surely clarify the puzzle of that time and local. Is this the only part of the puzzle that needs work? - NO! There are birth dates, locations and such that need to be found. In addition there are thousands of unconnected Carpenters looking for a family line. The only way such a great puzzle can be "Viewed" (I can not use completed because it never will be because of births, deaths and new data!!!) is "by the people for the people". IF the data that comes in excludes the William "the carpenter" or Wild Bill's line ... so be it. If it does include him, so be it. We all have our fears and concerns. We all have made our mistakes in our own genealogical lines. (I for one have made many!) Let us use the suggestions made and focus on helping each other. If we having nothing positive to say, then don't say anything. Remember that we all have our theories and opinions and we need to label them as such. Thank you for the suggestions and kind comments that help us keep on track. I would also like to thank you and the hundreds of others that have contributed their data to put the Carpenter CD Project over the 50,000 name mark. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA C.A.Carpenter ( Chuck's Wood-Knots) wrote: > > Ok, here's my situation. > > Three of four years ago John Carpenter of CA contacted me about my > Carpenter line that he had seen published in a journal published by James > Aussie Carpenter. I by the way made mistakes in that genealogy and > contacted James at a later date to straighten it out. > > I met James Aussie through my correspondence with Raymond George > Carpenter, Genealogist for the American Carpenter Family. Raymond was a > great guy but you had to decipher his handwriting. He didn't have a > computer and wrote long hand :) > > At any rate, I sent my feeble gedcom to John in CA and he in turn sent me > his work which at that time consisted of a database of about 18,000 > individuals. > A while after this I became aware of an article in "American Genealogist" > October, 1995 > by Gene Burzinsky who gave new information about Carpenter ancestry which I > then sent to John. > Not long after meeting John in CA I started writing to John L. Carpenter in NH. > John was extremely helpful to me in understanding the Providence, RI line > and sent me many journals and publications. > > What I'm trying to say is you couldn't meet more helpful gentlemen if you > tried, I like them both very much and I respect them, I like to call them > friends and I do not use that term loosely. > > I met Professor Bruce Carpenter ( through e-mail) several months ago. We > talked in length privately about our Carpenter ancestry. He was also quite > helpful to me and quite "civil", a likable guy for sure. > Now I know some of you are going to call me on this but it's true, the > Bruce I know is quite friendly and "normal". > I can understand his anger,I mean if someone kept posting PUBLICLY that our > family was descended from Hitler for an example( and I'm not saying De > Melun was like Hitler, I have no idea who he was other than what's been > posted) and my records and research were totally opposite then I would be > upset. > Would I call the other researcher an idiot? I might, but not PUBLICLY! > I would publish my "Proof" and settle the debate in this manner. After all > is said and done this is the only way to get at the "truth". > Calling people names publicly solves nothing except perhaps the loss of > subscribers, which by the way cost this list at least 20 just this past > week. Please lets not lose any more of our family. > > As I said before I'm not qualified to offer an answer on who's theories are > correct Tony's or John's or Bruce's or none of the above I have not done > the PERSONAL research to offer an opinion. I AM overjoyed that people are > working on it! > > Do I think it makes a difference if your from the Rehoboth line or > Providence line or Zimmerman? > Not at all.... the list is for ALL Carpenter and Zimmerman lines. > > So, you see the problem here for me, I consider all three gentlemen > "friends" of mine and I respect them all. > Am I interested in medieval Carpenter genealogy? You bet I am. I have had > my "American" ancestors for quite some time now and would like more info on > the early line. > > I have by the way applied for a separate Medieval Carpenter genealogy list, > don't know if I will get it. > > The other thing is this.... If this bickering bothers you why in the world, > as has been suggested don't you configure your e-mail program to not > receive mail posted by anyone who offends you? This is simple to do... > I can't imagine myself getting a computer and going on the Internet not > knowing the first thing about how the computer or my programs work! > I agree that this is not something you should have to resort to but it is > an option and this is the real world. > > Doing this would immediately solve your problem, end of story. > > Please, lets get along.. > > Chuck > Who's family came down from the trees when John L.'s did :) Hey, maybe > they even lived together! > > PS: I have asked John L. Carpenter in NH who I feel most closest to and who > I also know would do a great job to take over this list, so far I haven't > had much luck........ > > Please visit my web site "Chuck's Wood-Knots" at: > http://www.evcom.net/~chuck2/index.html > > Carpenter Genealogy at: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6712/index.html

Hi Tony! Glad to see you here! Nice poems! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Tony Carpenter wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEFC66.8AECEFC0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear American Cousins > > I attached a page from my book Re your roots. The passengers on the ship > Bevis, This William of Hants, is the source of the Rehoboth Carpenters. > 1638. As you all know there was and second branch we call the Providence > branch, From Richard of Wilts to William.of Providence 1635? > The above is the American source and is the starting point of all your > research. > > My family research is the English Branch from 920 to1999.as I stated before > this has taken place over many years with no input from the internet but by > hard work,and by visiting most of the family seats, spending many hundreds > of hours reading and recording material. Because I live in the country I am > researching, records are no further than 150 miles travelling. > > I have had problems with my server and apologise to any of you if I have not > replied to your e-mails. Please contact me direct if you wish. note the > change of my address. > Can I leave you with two quotes One from my father in-law who was Gentleman > in all senses of the word and a well known cancer research scientist. "If > you cannot say anything good about a person say nothing " > And one of my own that I told my children. > " Always be Constructive not Destructive." > and I sign off with one of my poems. > > My uncle Fred, > went to bed, > and woke up dead, > so my aunt Mable said. > > Tony C. > Wot ar u like. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEFC66.8AECEFC0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > name="SOUTHAMPTON May 1638.txt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="SOUTHAMPTON May 1638.txt" > > SOUTHAMPTON May 1638 > List of Passengers intending to ship themselves on the Sailing Ship = > "BEVIS" 150 tonnes. > ROBERT BATTEN Master for New England and thus by virtue of the Lord = > Treasurers Warrant of the second of May which was after the restraint = > and they some days gone to sea before the King's Proclamation came unto = > Southampton. > > Ages: > 40 John Frey of Basing [Wheelwright] His wife and 3 children > 40 Richard Austin [Tailor] of Bishopstoke, His wife and 2 children > And Robert Knight his servant [Carpenter] > 37 Christopher Batt of Sarum [Tanner] > 32 Anne Batt his Wife > 20 Dorothy Batt their Sister and 5 children under 10 years > 24 Thomas Good [Servant] > 22 Eliza Blackston [Servant] > 62 WILLIAM CARPENTER of Horwell [Wherewell] > 33 WILLIAM CARPENTER JR. of Horwell > 32 ABIGAIL CARPENTER Wife, and 4 children under 10 years > 14 Thomas Banshott [Servant] > 38 Annis Littlefield and 6 children. John Knight [Carpenter] [Servant] > Heugh Durdal [Servant] > 26 Henry Byley of Sarum [Tanner] > 22 Mary Byley Wife and Thomas Reeves [Servant] > 20 John Byley > 40 Richard Dummer of New England > 35 Alice Dummer of New England > 19 Thomas Dummer > 19 Jane Dummer > 9 Stephen Dummer > 6 Dorathie Dummer > 4 Richard Dummer > 2 Thomas Dummer > 30 John Hutchinson [Carpenter] > 26 Frauncis Alcocke > 19 Adam Mott [Tailor] > 22 Will Wackerfield > 20 Nathaniel Parker of London [Baker] > 18 Samuel Poore > 14 Dayell Poore > 20 Alice Poore > 15 Richard Bayley > 20 Anne Wackerfield > > Total of 61 Passengers > > Hen Champante. Custr. > N.Dingley, Cmptr. > Thos. Wulfris, Coll. > Note: The close relationshship between the families = > CARPENTER-BATT-BYLEY-POORE is evidenced by their passage on this ship. = > The inter-marrying of these families is shown on the persons connected = > sheet, all within St. Edmunds Church, Salisbury, Wilts. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEFC66.8AECEFC0--

Bruce wrote: > However, John is clearly part owner of a ship with A word of caution is in order here. The term "master" of a ship can be applied to a hired mariner who is put in charge of navigation. It does not necessarily imply any kind of ownership. John Chandler

Come one guys. Enough is Enough. Lets get back to genealogy. Pleeeeeeeeze! I didn't think this was a list for debates. :) Anita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have over 30,000 individuals in my database. Willing to do quick look-ups. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner.. Carpenter..Chromie..Cook..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.. Galick..Gauld..Gianella..Gilmore..Gnoli..Kramy..Laman..Loomis.. Malysiak..Marek..Marlow..Merlo..Mitrovich..Monelli..Newton.. Ottolini..Overman..Pisoni..Puricelli..Small..Travato..Wright ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314 Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315 Family Tree Maker Descendant Trees: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html Sunshine and Shadows memoirs by Evangeline (Cook) Wright at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/4343/ Surnames: http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.html VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948): http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUERIES: View: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314/geobook.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Mail: Anita_Gauld@Hotmail.Com agauld@mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work agauld@gtii.com (please send attachments here) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact me by web pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/23187866 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can respond to this e-mail online. If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 23187866 You can download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharing is contagious. Unless you tell me otherwise, sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others. Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me and unverified by me personally. *grin* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As long as we are Remembered we Never die A life is not lost when it is known to future generations

The following presents a few problems as to place name identification for Castre. However the other place names (uncopied) situate Castre on the coast of the Basque region of Spain. Here we can appreciate the stunning geographical scale of this Carpenter trading family, with a far-flung network of ports and places from Flanders, the French coast, Spain and of course England. Later this family would appropriately choose the globe as their armorial symbol. John Carpenter is here referred to as ‘master’, or co-owner and co-captain. The list of individuals is twenty odd names long. I will copy until John. John’s name is completely Anglified. Perhaps he had come from England. From the PATENT ROLL for July 11, 1345: “Letters Patent dated at the port of ‘Le Swyn” Membrane 1. Protection during pleasure, for the subjects of the king’s kinsmen, the king of Castile. The like, in consideration of the above, for Ochorticus de Castre, master of the ship ‘St. Mary’ of Castre, and for the ship and the goods therein. The like for the following masters of the ships named:- Lapinus Garcye; ‘St. James’ of Castre. Sanccio Petri of Castre; ‘St. Anthony’ of Castre. Martin Sanchiis of Castre; ‘St. Mary’ of Castre. John Missire of Castre; ‘St. Mary’ of Castre. John Carpenter of Castre; ‘St. Mary’ of Castre.” Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter

I have sat here silently, hoping that someday someone would mention something on at least two of my Carpenter ancestors. No one has yet and I could wait, but I seem to do more deleting than reading because of the bickering.. A long time ago someone said that Bruce had this wonderful database and I tried to get into it and see if my people were there. I couldn't and in emailing him for help I got the runaround. I felt I was wasting my time...and it seemed I was wasting his. So I will put my names out again, before I unsubscribe, and hope that someone has heard of these people. I would appreciate even a clue that I could hunt down. I have Mary Ann Carpenter (pension papers on husband are sloppily written. It could have been Carpentient) She was b in 1822 (I don't know where) and was married in Saratoga to David STurges. That was in 1844. They moved to Cleveland before 1850, but had one child, James Aaron Sturges, born in NY. Many more children were born in OH and she died of bronchitis in 1890 in Cleveland The other one is Ann Carpenter b about 1772, possibly from CT. She d 28 Oct 1806 in Lyndon VT. She married Thomas Scott Sr and had three children that I know of. Mary, Thomas Jr and Ann who is my ggggrandmother. I have one other Carpenter who lived in Dutchess Co. She was Sarah and was married to John Ward about 1852. I have her lineage pretty well proven. The firsrt two have eluded me for years. Any help is appreciated. Marj

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