The following is the record of a land transaction in the reign Of King Henry III (1216-1272). Named is a William Carpenter with a land holding in the Parish of St. Clement Danes in London. This is interesting because it identifies a Carpenter a generation before the very interesting merchant, Edward Carpenter, who resided in the same parish roughly 25 years later. This now establishes a family pattern in the same neighborhood of London from mid 1200s to the early 1400s, directly to the probable father of John the Town Clerk of London, Richard Carpenter, and a probable relative William Carpenter in the same neighborhood. This document’s discovery is very good news because I will, at a later date, identify the arrival in the London area this first local group of the Carpenter family in the early 1200s. This document in itself is of interest because of its descriptive character. We can see how this William Carpenter’ s land holding was very near, or right on, the Thames River itself. This all has the aroma of merchants and trade, shipping and warehouses; although William’s land was a small parcel to be sure. A warehouse? This is from A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds in the Public Record Office, Vol. I, London, 1890, p. 194: “Grant by Henry son of Reiner to Eustace de Falconberg, for 3 ½ marcs, of the land he held of the fee of Robert Robert de Harocurt in St. Clement Danes’ parish, with the land which was Richard le Fruiter’s, saving to William Carpenter the three messuages he holds, which are 40 ½ ells in width, 21 ¾ ells at one end, and at the other, sloping towards the Thames, 25 ¼ ells; paying half a marc yearly. Witnesses:- John de Gestling, William the Chaplain, of the Strand (‘de stronda’) Richard son of Edward, then sokereve, and others (named).”

I have a booklet private published in 1984 by Frances W. Metzger about a Aaron Carpenter born about 1770 probably in North Castle Township,Westchester<NY He had about 13 childeren . The book in not sure of his ancestors wer. Does anyone recognize this Carpenter John L. Carpenter Searching for Carpenter family decendants of William Carpenter of Providence, RI check my home pages at the following URL's http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45 John L. Carpenter Searching for Carpenter family decendants of William Carpenter of Providence, RI check my home pages at the following URL's http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

>From the Eaton County, Michigan, Probate Court I found a copy of Daniel R. Carpenter's probate records. I now have two more clues. His son William H. Carpenter was William Henry Carpenter and Daniel's date of death was January 26, 1866. I knew you all would want an update. It cost me almost as much to copy these records as was the value of poor Daniel's entire estate. And so this man of so little means has had his name broadcast throughout the internet to Carpenters everywhere. But alas no clue as to his parents. While there I copied the following names from the records - all Carpenters that died pre 1873 in Eaton Co., Michigan. Let me know if anyone sounds familiar. Since I'm asking for help I thought while there I'd try to contribute something from my little corner of the world. Anna Francis T. Sarah A. Benjamin F Clara E. Susan A. Lodema M. Cyrus Mary L. Paul D. Phillip Iona Orine Howard Manley Francis Albert Clyde Owen Randall Royce Celia A. Jasper B. David Henry Lewis A. Dennis Daniel F. Jay F. Rolla E. Jacob E. Orby Sulima C. Kris in chilly Michigan - Go Spartans

MarRoh@aol.com wrote: > I have sat here silently, hoping that someday someone would mention something > on at least two of my Carpenter ancestors. No one has yet and I could wait, > but I seem to do more deleting than reading because of the bickering.. Same here Marj... actually I am not so interested in who the FIRST Carpenter was as who were the parents of my grandfather. I want to trace my OWN family tree in a lazy kinda way. I just want names and dates of my direct line. I don't really even care how they made their living so much as who they were and where they lived...so why would I care if they were royalty, a clerk or a cabinet maker??? > > A long time ago someone said that Bruce had this wonderful database and I > tried to get into it and see if my people were there. I couldn't and in > emailing him for help I got the runaround. I felt I was wasting my > time...and it seemed I was wasting his. I e-mailed him all excited because my Father's name was Bruce Carpenter and I was curious as to maybe Bruce being a family name of some usage. He ignored me. My family was from Illinois as of late and therefore probably of no consequence to him so why should he bother with lil ole me??? > > > So I will put my names out again, before I unsubscribe, and hope that someone > has heard of these people. I would appreciate even a clue that I could hunt > down. > > I have Mary Ann Carpenter (pension papers on husband are sloppily written. > It could have been Carpentient) She was b in 1822 (I don't know where) and > was married in Saratoga to David STurges. That was in 1844. They moved to > Cleveland before 1850, but had one child, James Aaron Sturges, born in NY. > Many more children were born in OH and she died of bronchitis in 1890 in > Cleveland Now.. I have some Fulfers that were married to Carpenters that were from Ohio. I am still researching that...and, I have my grandmother who was once married to a Sturgis or Sturges...his name was Bond Sturges. > > The other one is Ann Carpenter b about 1772, possibly from CT. She d 28 Oct > 1806 in Lyndon VT. She married Thomas Scott Sr and had three children that I > know of. Mary, Thomas Jr and Ann who is my ggggrandmother. > > I have one other Carpenter who lived in Dutchess Co. She was Sarah and was > married to John Ward about 1852. I have her lineage pretty well proven. Also...the grandmother that was married to Bond Sturges had been married to Arthur Emerson Ward who is my maternal grand-father. He was born in Alma, Michigan before 1900. All of my people came from the Illinois, Michigan and Indiana parts that lie around Lake Michigan. The grandfather that I am looking for is William M. (have no idea what the 'M' stands for. It would help a lot if I did.) Carpenter. He was born in Mattoon, Illinois, according to my father's BC...in 1875 or 1876. This is about all I know except that he abandoned Mammon Mattie (Martha Jane Fulfer) and my daddy, Bruce, and his sister, Merline... and ran off with an oriental woman who was a hairdresser. He later died in Terre Haute, Indiana. I have been looking for info on him for years. Thanks...and bless you Marj, CC Carpenter

In the late 1300s, the Carpenter family found itself in the midst of political difficulties, as did the whole of England. John the Elder, and his younger brother Robert, were subject of arrest and political persecution. Indeed so was their father Richard! These social and political misfortunes however, provide us with the means and clues to better define this intriguing family. Previously I had published documents indicating profound Carpenter support for the Lancastrian political cause in the early 1400s. Unknown to me then was evidence that this connection and loyalty would extend back to the reign of King Richard II in the late 1300s. The evidence now portrays an extremely rich merchant family that had its role in the power machinations of this disturbed period in English history. While these political events are complex and confusing, let me try to summarize them. At the end of the reign of King Edward III, by the 1370s, a powerful individual, John of Gaunt the Duke of Lancaster, dominated English politics. This basic fact would be the deciding factor in English history (and Carpenter history) for the next eighty odd years. King Edward’s successor, King Richard II, would come to the throne and oppose John of Gaunt and his allies. In the end King Richard would be deposed by Gaunt’s son, Henry Bolingbroke, who would become King Henry IV. Essentially this would be the beginning of the long acrimonious struggle better known as the War of Roses, the struggle between the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims to the throne. Allied to John of Gaunt were many provincial magnates, three of the prominent being, the Duke of Gloucester, Earl of Arundel and Earl of Warwick. In the late 1300s the crown would attempt to punish all these families and their supporters. I have a hint as to which of the three aristocratic groups the Carpenters were most allied; I will discuss this after I have presented three relevant documents. “To Walter Clopton justice appointed to hold pleas before the king. Order by writ of ‘nisi primus’ to cause an inquisition whereupon Thomas Canforde, Thomas Eode, William Lyngel ‘draper’, Richard Carpenter, Richard Marbury ‘draper’, John Hardynge the younger ‘draper’, all of Caumpeden, John Northem late bailiff of Guytynge, Thomas Cheken ‘bocher’ of Caumpeden and William Bedel of Wynchecombe have put themselves at suit of the king, being indicted for divers tresspasses and extortions, to be taken before the said justice, before one of the justices of the Common Bench or the justices of assize in Gloustershire.” (CLOSE ROLLS, July 8, !388, Westminster) “Memorandum of a mainprise under a pain of 100 L., made in chancery 6 December this year by Thomas atte Stone of Haddeley, Richard Clerke of Kersey, John Dyster, Robert Berte, both of Kersey, Robert atte Mede of Ylle, John Huberd, William Page, both of Ylle, Robert Barewe of Bildeston and Robert Carpenter of Lavenham, for themselves and each for other under the same pain, that they shall do or procure no hurt or harm to Richard Walton of Bishops Lenne, and shall make no unlawful assemblies which tend to disturbance of the people or breach of the peace.” (CLOSE ROLLS, Dec. 7, 1391, Westminster) “Appointment of Richard Waldegrave, Wiliam Wyngefeld and John Orewell, the king’s serjeant-at-arms, to arrest and bring before the king and council John Carpenter of Lavenham, Richard Clerk of Kersey, Robert Berd of Kersey, John Dyster of Kersey, Wiliam Page of Monkesle, John Barowe of Bildeston, Thomas atte Stone of Hadle, John Hoberd of Bildeston, and Robert atte Medewe of Bildeston.” (CLOSE ROLLS, Nov. 24, 1391, Westminster) The ‘Caumpeden’ in the first document in actually modern Chipping Campden, not far from Gloucester. Though not named as a ‘draper’ himself, Richard is surrounded by associates of the trade, and he himself is surely connected to the business, as his sons were. Richard,who appears in a number of documents of the period, and appears more and more as a merchant-broker, probably of finished cloth with activities and property being in London, Middlesex and Hertfordshire. At this point in time the whole family has left London and scattered, probably for reasons of safety. The Lavenham locality for the sons (see a previous quoted document for Elder and Younger John ‘drapers’) and the Chipping Campden location for the father are suggestive of the scale of the family economic activity. In subsequent publications we will see this had been the case for a very long period of time. The mention above of the Earl of Warwick, who was Thomas de Beauchamp, neccessitates speculation here, given the long Carpenter history in the area. Was the Carpenter family allied to the Beauchamp family. The Bishop of Worcester, John Carpenter, whose origins are in the area, had armorial bearings with three red crosslets. The Beauchamp armorials, as I recall, were also three red crosslets (?). That the Beauchamps were connected to cloth manufacture came home to me as I opened the covers of Carus Wilson’s Medieval Merchant Venturers. The first page was a photo of a illustrated medieval manuscript, with a drawing of Earl Richard Warwick de Beauchamp, loading English cloth on his ships, the sails of which bearing his armorials of three cross crosslets above a chevron (colors unspecified). I think this might begin to shed light on what has been a sometimes-bizarre discussion of these symbols and their significance. The entire area in question is wool, cloth and money, noble Beauchamps included. Bruce Carpenter

Dear Joyce, Here are a couple of Daniel Carpenters born in the right time and place. Which one is yours? INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:20842 - ----------------------------------------------------- Name:Daniel CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1794/1802 Place:South Kingston,Washington,RI Chr: Place: Marr:Abt 1818 Spouse:Mary GRADY-20839 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place: Burial: Place: Father:Stephen CARPENTER-20821 Mother:Susan CHAPIN-20836 Notes -------------------------------------------------- !Number 1980 on page 263 in the Carpenter Memorial. No family listed. A farmer. A family record indicates he was born in 1802. end notes INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:45426 - ------------------------------------------------------- Name:Daniel CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1798 Place:South Kingston,Washington,RI Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place: Burial: Place: Father:Daniel CARPENTER-45110 Mother: Notes ----------------------------------------------- none One other was in North Kingston. His family however does not have a Edward. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:45384 - ------------------------------------------------- Name:Daniel CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:17 Aug 1805 Place:North Kingston,Washington,RI Chr: Place: Marr: 5 May 1828 Spouse:Ann GREENE-45385 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place: Burial: Place: Father:Nathaniel CARPENTER-22159 Mother:Martha TURNER-45342 Notes ----------------------------------------------------- none Daniel CARPENTER-45384 17 Aug 1805 ----------- North Kingston,Washington,RI --SPOUSE-- MRIN:16083 Ann GREENE-45385 Abt 1805 --CHILDREN-- 1-Emily CARPENTER-45462 2-Mary Elizabeth CARPENTER-45463 3-Ellen CARPENTER-45464 4Isaac CARPENTER-45466 5-George Henry CARPENTER-45468 6-Frances CARPENTER-45469 7-Henry Livingston CARPENTER-45470 8-John Blaine CARPENTER-45471 9-Nathaniel Green CARPENTER-45472 Let me know what you think. I have ancestry on all. I would be happy to share my data for yours. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Wayne & Joyce McBride wrote: > > My ggggrandfather, Daniel Carpenter was born in South Kingston, RI about 1800. He had children in South Kingston, then Steuben Co., NY and finally in Waukesha Co., WI. One of his sons, Edward Hasard Carpenter, came to Oregon with some of his children in his later years. I am interested in finding information about the Wisconsin and Rehobeth connections. I'd like to communicate with Linda Carpenter Fry who replied to the message from Carl Carpenter and with anyone else who has information on this line. > Thanks, Joyce McBride, a Carpenter from Oregon > mcbride@gorge.net >

Hi Joyce: My Carpenters came from Rehobeth, Massachusetts (we are descended from William--our line goes like this: William, Joseph, Benjamin, John, John, Barnard, Benjamin) to Oneida County, New York and then to Waukesha County, Wisconsin before coming to Dane County, Wisconsin. We have a child, who I believe was 3 when she died, buried in our part of the Oak Hill Cemetery, Black Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin. I haven't found a connection, but I figure that she was related since she is buried with my ancestors. Interestingly enough her parents were DD & EE Carpenter. In the census records for the Village of Black Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin for 1860, I found a Daniel D. Carpenter, age approx. 42 years old, born in New York, whose occupation was a merchant. His wife was Emma, approx. age 40, born New York and children Frank, approx. age 11, born New York and George, approx. age 14, born Wisconsin. Both children attended school, which would have been the Halfway Prairie School (it is still standing at the corner of County Highway 19 and County Highway F, Town of Black Earth--it's now a museum I believe). I also have information on what I believe is the same family which I obtained from the book, "Adventures in Geyserland." The family moved to Virginia City, Idaho in 1864 (the following year, it became Montana). The father was a grocer who sold (or should I say scalped--he sold 100 pound bags of flour for $125.00!) supplies to the gold miners. By this time there were 2 girls Emma and Ida (born in 1864 in Virginia City). Emma went on to marry George Cowan. I have traced her as far Seattle, Washington in the 1930s. Ida married a Stevens--his first name doesn't come to mind at the moment. Both Ida and her husband died young. Frank married a girl from Texas whose name also does not come to mind at the moment. They also both died young. I don't know what happened to George. If you can get a copy of the book through inter-library loan, it is a very interesting story. The children (Frank, Emma and Ida) who were adults in 1875 were touring what was to become West Yellowstone Park when they were captured by Chief Joseph and a band of his Nez Perce Indians who were being pursued by the Army. Emma's husband was shot 3 times, but survived. The book was written by Frank and even though I don't have any proof, I am fairly certain he is an ancestor. There is a picture of him inside the cover of the book, and he very much resembles living male relatives of mine. There could be a family connection here. I hope this helps to answer any questions you may have. Linda Carpenter Fry Wayne & Joyce McBride wrote: > > My ggggrandfather, Daniel Carpenter was born in South Kingston, RI about 1800. He had children in South Kingston, then Steuben Co., NY and finally in Waukesha Co., WI. One of his sons, Edward Hasard Carpenter, came to Oregon with some of his children in his later years. I am interested in finding information about the Wisconsin and Rehobeth connections. I'd like to communicate with Linda Carpenter Fry who replied to the message from Carl Carpenter and with anyone else who has information on this line. > Thanks, Joyce McBride, a Carpenter from Oregon > mcbride@gorge.net >

My ggggrandfather, Daniel Carpenter was born in South Kingston, RI about 1800. He had children in South Kingston, then Steuben Co., NY and finally in Waukesha Co., WI. One of his sons, Edward Hasard Carpenter, came to Oregon with some of his children in his later years. I am interested in finding information about the Wisconsin and Rehobeth connections. I'd like to communicate with Linda Carpenter Fry who replied to the message from Carl Carpenter and with anyone else who has information on this line. Thanks, Joyce McBride, a Carpenter from Oregon mcbride@gorge.net

The right date for the JOHNS AND JOHNS note should be , May 4th, 1361. BC

Hello Sue; I am looking for Andrew Carpenter born in NC, married Evilyn or Angelin Pennington about 1863, dates/places very limited. I do know their daughter was Rebecca Jane Carpenter (my great grandmother) born 27 Jan 1864, Phelps, lawrence Co., MO. Does this click with any info you have? He could have been in TN?? Donald Keiffer

I sent this to the Carrol Co. rootsweb, and this is what I received in return. BETH >Return-Path: <bennett@tecinfo.com> >Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:03:47 -0700 >From: Thomas Bennett <bennett@tecinfo.com> >Reply-To: bennett@tecinfo.com >X-Accept-Language: en >To: terrilee@ipa.net >Subject: Green Carpenter > >There is a Nathan Carpenter born 22 Sept 1866 d Apr 10 1948 in Oakwood >Cem. Winona Montgomery Co MS >Green Carpenter born Jan 5 1829 d Dewc 26 1910 >Louisa wife of Green Carpenter b Nov 16 1828 d May 21 1896 in Mission >Baptist Church Cem. Montgonery Co.,MS > I have some Carpenter that married into my Bennett and Blaylock >family. >Thomas Bennett,, Greenville, MS >

Why were there so many John Carpenters in the group of ‘denizen’ Carpenters that I have been presenting in medieval English historical documents? Surely John was a popular with any group at this time. But this Carpenter family is positively ‘nutty’ about the name. In the following you can appreciate my point. Also of interest are the various renditions of the surname. Were all these individuals pronouncing their surname slightly differently? Was the scribe who compiled an original worklist, spelling the surname according to whim? An any rate an interesting Carpenter artifact. From the 1388 CLOSE ROLLS, May 4th at Westminster. “To the sheriff of Kent.Order at his peril, to cause John Paak,Thomas Berryner, Robert Unfray, John Carpentiere of Tykeherst, John Carpenter, John atte Brok of Baysche, John Carpentier, John de Fenklesham, John atte Vale,Richard atte Vale de Pecco and John Carpentier of Sandwich to come to work on the king’s works at Sandwich without delay.” Bruce Carpenter

-Bruce send me your snail Mail address again

Here is my theory on why the delay that seems to be evident after some sort of big issue. some people do not read their e-mail daily. And many of those are not conversant with the "sort" options and may read them in somewhat of a random (or some other fashion) IN this way, they respond to mails before they have read all mail chronologically or don't follow the basic rule of waiting one day before reacting to another "flamer" of sorts. Terrald wrote: > I just don't get it. Am I Missing something!!!!! People are still > complaining and unbsubscribing from the list, or at least they are > trying since they haven't bothered to read the directions that they > received when they signed onto the list... IF I GET ANOTHER UNSUBSCRIBE > sent as a message to me through the list I WILL EXPLODE. It is not > Chucks place to unsubscribe the ignorant. > > WHAT IS THE DEAL, THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT GENEALOGY AND AN APOLOGY ON > THIS LIST IN DAYS!!!!!! SOME OF YOU PEOPLE NEED TO UNSUBSCRIBE WHERE > THE REST OF US CAN CONTINUE!!!!! > > SORRY, > > TERRALD > > By the way Bruce, I have enjoyed reading your recent postings. -- ************************************************** | Jerry Carpenter, Managing Principal | | CCS - Continental Consulting Strategies | | Phone/Fax 253-891-3090 | | mailto:jcarp@ccstrat.com | | http://www.ccstrat.com | **************************************************

>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:00:45 -0700 >From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@whidbey.com> >To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Second Ship lll > >I looked carefully at the best book on >14th century merchants for the meaning of a >ship's 'master'. Carus-Wilson's Medieval >Merchant Venturers (pp.84-6) explains >explicitly that owner, captain and merchant are >all synonymous with 'master'. Ships were often jointly owned, >as seems the case with our St. Mary, and certainly >many ships carried consignments of other merchant's >goods. According to Carus-Wilson, not until a century later >did the ship, its navigation and its goods become separate businesses. >So we Carpenters can claim our ship, the St. Mary, a true >Carpenter ship! >Sincerely, >Bruce Carpenter > I haven't seen the book or a quote of the definition, but I think it probably meant, in mathematical terms: master EQUALS ((owner OR captain OR merchant) OR (owner AND captain) OR (captain AND merchant) OR (owner AND merchant) OR (owner AND captain AND merchant)) rather than: master EQUALS (owner AND captain AND merchant). Rick

Hello everyone; I have just joined the CARPENTER surname message board and would like to find out if there are any descendants of Andrew CARPENTER born about 1843 NC. He was married to Angeline PENNINGTON born in TN (sorry no dates). I am looking for information about Andrew and his and his parents and his descendants. I thank you very much. Donald KEIFFER KEIFFER family genealogist searching: KEIFFER, ARMENTROUT, MULLINS, ROBINSON, MEADOWS, SCARBOROUGH GARFIELD, TEW, BILLINGS, JAUNDRELL BURCHFIEL, SHAYHAN, HOWELL, HINDMAN ROOT, WHITELEY, WALTERS, CARPENTER, PENNINGTON KEIFFER family website - www.flash.net/~dkeiffer e-mail dkeiffer@flash.net

Sorry did not get finished before I sent this. OK Carpenter crew: Got the Civil War Pension record for William Green Carpenter, son of Nelly and Nathan Carpenter of Carroll Co., MISP. See below for his outline. Still trying to prove that Jim W Carpenter who married Cass is brother to William Green and son of Nathan and Nelly. New info gives proof of second wife (who is sister of Cass) and when they came to Texas. Have ordered soundex for Tate Co for 1900 so should find them there. Don't know if the new info will help. QUESTION: In the 1880 Tate Co MISP census where William Green is followed by James and Cassa, two houses away is: Carpenter JC 55 SC SC SC ES 58 SC SC SC Does anyone know who they are? NOTES for William Green Carpenter (son of Nathan and Nelly Case Carpenter) 4/30/1862 Entered Civil War Service from Carrollton, Carroll County, MISP Co K 30th MISP, CSA 12/17/1864 Union Prisoner of War records show that he was captured at Franklin 6/6/1865 Released at Point Lookout, Md on taking the oath of allegiance to the United States 6/6/1865 Discharged from service abt 1867 Marries Lavany Compton 1870 Carroll Co., MISP Census Carpenter Nathan 73 Nelly 68 Green 26 Levany 22 Nathan 2 Mahala 8/12 Owen 16 Nathaniel Jackson 19 Early Dorsey 11 12/12/1876 Marries Mary Elizabeth Crow in Carroll Co., MISP from delayed birth certificate for Clint and Civil War Pension record) {She is sister of Cass Crow who marries Jim W Carpenter and they also move to Titus Co.) 1880 Titus County Census Carpenter Green 32 MISP MISP MISP Mary 23 MISP MISP MISP Nathan 13 MISP MISP MISP Mahaly 12 Tommy 10 Senia 8 Peter 6 Obb 3 MISP MISP NISP 3/14/1888 Son Joseph Clint born in Coldwater, MISP (from delayed birth certificate) 1901 Came to Texas (from Civil War Pension record) 1910 Titus County Tx census (Is this him-very difficult to read) Carpenter W S/G 63 MISP Tx Ga John 28 MISP MISP MISP Bird 26 Frank 24 Julius 14 9/16/1913 Wm Green dies in Titus County, Tx (Civil War Pension record) Civil War Cemetary headstone at Old Union Cemetary, Titus County Any thoughts that might help out? Pam in Pittsburg, Tx

OK Carpenter crew: Got the Civil War Pension record for William Green Carpenter, son of Nelly and Nathan Carpenter of Carroll Co., MISP. See below for his outline. Still trying to prove that Jim W Carpenter who married Cass is brother to William Green and son of Nathan and Nelly. New info gives proof of second wife (who is sister of Cass) and when they came to Texas. Have ordered soundex for Tate Co for 1900 so should find them there. Don't know if the new info will help. QUESTION: In the 1880 Tate Co MISP census where William Green is followed by James and Cassa, two houses away is: Carpenter JC 55 SC SC SC ES 58 SC SC SC Does anyone know who they are? NOTES for William Green Carpenter (son of Nathan and Nelly Case Carpenter) 4/30/1862 Entered Civil War Service from Carrollton, Carroll County, MISP Co K 30th MISP, CSA 12/17/1864 Union Prisoner of War records show that he was captured at Franklin 6/6/1865 Released at Point Lookout, Md on taking the oath of allegiance to the United States 6/6/1865 Discharged from service abt 1867 Marries Lavany Compton 1870 Carroll Co., MISP Census Carpenter Nathan 73 Nelly 68 Green 26 Levany 22 Nathan 2 Mahala 8/12 Owen 16 Nathaniel Jackson 19 Early Dorsey 11 12/12/1876 Marries Mary Elizabeth Crow in Carroll Co., MISP from delayed birth certificate for Clint and Civil War Pension record) {She is sister of Cass Crow who marries Jim W Carpenter and they also move to Titus Co.) 1880 Titus County Census Carpenter Green 32 MISP MISP MISP Mary 23 MISP MISP MISP Nathan 13 MISP MISP MISP Mahaly 12 Tommy 10 Senia 8 Peter 6 Obb 3 MISP MISP NISP 3/14/1888 Son Joseph Clint born in Coldwater, MISP (from delayed birth certificate) 1901 Came to Texas (from Civil War Pension record) 1910 Titus County Tx census (Is this him-very difficult to read) Carpenter W S/G 63 MISP Tx Ga John 28 MISP MISP MISP Bird 26 Frank 24 Julius 14 9/16/1913 Wm Green dies in Titus County, Tx (Civil War Pension record) Civil War Cemetary headstone at Old Union Cemetary, Titus County

Searching for info on John W. Carpenter s/o Joseph Carpenter & Mary Runnion. John married Catherine V. Phillips 1874 in Barbour Co. Would also like the names of their children. When did John and his wife Catherine die? Does anyone know where they are buried? Joan

Thanks John in Ca. for the additional look up and Audrey for the tidbit. I'm going to the Eaton Co., Michigan, courthouse on Friday afternoon. Could do a lookup for any Carps interested in this area of the country. Let me know. Kris