Dear Joyce, Does any of these Arthurs look familar? Let me know! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:31021 - --------------------------------------------------- Name:Arthur CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1870 Place:Oakland Twp.,Louisa,IA Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place:of,Overton,,NE Burial: Place: Father:Cyril CARPENTER-15592 Mother:Calista E. STICKNEY-15610 Notes ----------------------------------------------------------- none. Of Overton,,NE about 1895. His father was of NY and his grandfather of VT. The Charles Albert Carpenter descendants eventually went into Huntington Park, CA and another son died in Castro Valley,,CA. Cyril Carpenter was of,Alamosa,,CO with no further data on that line. Arthur and Harry Carpenter were of,Overton,,NE with no further data on those lines. It is believed that they went further west. +---¦Cyril CARPENTER-15588 Cyril CARPENTER-15592 ¦ ¦27 Mar 1794 26 Mar 1826 -------------¦ ¦Guilford,Windham,VT ,Chenango,NY ¦ MRIN:5615 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:5617 +---¦Amanda MASON-15589 Calista E. STICKNEY-15610 ¦ 2 Sep 1798 14 Jan 1840 ¦Lebanon,,CT Wapello,Louisa,IA --CHILDREN-- 1Cornelia CARPENTER-31022 2Charles Albert CARPENTER-15593 3-Harry M. CARPENTER-31020 4-Arthur CARPENTER-31021 <---------- 5-Cyril CARPENTER-31023 6Mary Ann CARPENTER-31024 7Calista CARPENTER-31025 **************************************** INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:42978 - --------------------------------------- Name:Arthur S. CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1867 Place: Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place: Burial: Place: Father:David CARPENTER-42858 Mother:Abigail Miranda BOARDMAN-42973 Notes -------------------------------------------- none. His immediate ancestry is from VT, and no further descendants are listed on this line. +---¦Reynolds CARPENTER-42780 David CARPENTER-42858 ¦ ¦24 Dec 1784 13 Apr 1826--------------¦ ¦Ponwal,Bennington,VT Ponwal,Bennington,VT ¦ MRIN:15178 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:15283+---¦Hannah NILES-42782 Abigail Miranda BOARDMAN-42973 ¦24 Jun 1799 Abt 18 Dec 1835 ¦Shaftsbury,Bennington,VT ,Bennington,VT --CHILDREN-- 1-George David CARPENTER-42974 2-Florence S. CARPENTER-42975 3-Reynolds Duane CARPENTER-42976 4-Henry Boardman CARPENTER-42977 5-Arthur S. CARPENTER-42978 <-------------- 6-Caroline N. CARPENTER-42979 ************************************************ INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:47532 - ------------------------------------------------- Name:Arthur CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1859 Place:,,NY Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place: Burial: Place: Father:Frank CARPENTER-47524 Mother: Notes ----------------------------------------- none. This Arthur has his father in NY but no related descendancy lines. +---¦Daniel A. CARPENTER-47449 Frank CARPENTER-47524 ¦ ¦Abt 1807 Abt 1837 --------------¦ ¦Goshen,Orange,NY ,Orange,NY ¦ MRIN:16850 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:16861 --CHILDREN-- 1-Arthur CARPENTER-47532 <------------ 2-Daniel CARPENTER-47533 ************************************************* TASJCS@aol.com wrote: > > I am enjoying all of the information from John, Tony and Bruce - I have > copied most of it (113 pages now). My computer has been down for almost a > month now and I am just back on line. I would love to find out which > Carpenter line is mine, but I can't even find my grandfather's information. > I have submitted my Carpenters several times and have never received a > response from anyone. There must be someone out there from my line; it is > .... > > Arthur DeVere Carpenter (1867-194?) (I think he was born in New York). He > married Grace Murdock, b. 1874-196? in PA. They had the following children: > Bernar (no dates), DeVere b. 1893 NY, Elizabeth b. 1895 DE, Herman, b. 1901 > CO, Helene b. 1903 CO, and Harry Murdock 7/13/1910 Seattle WA. Arthur was a > lecturer on The Chautauqua circuit. I have posted in that NY area, but have > had no responses. They eventually settled in Seattle, WA and later moved to > Long Beach, CA. I remember my father telling me that Arthur left Grace and > went to Australia for 10 years. have posted in that NY area, but have had no > responses. Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. > > Joyce Carpenter Sharpley > TASJCS@AOL.com

Dear Joan, While I have Hezekiah and Rebecca Phillips, Hezekiah's parentage is uncertain. There is a temporary connection with Hezekiah Goodwin Carpenter. See notes below. Let me know if you need more data. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA +---¦Hezekiah Goodwin CARPENTER-21035 Hezekiah CARPENTER-30799 ¦ ¦ 9 Sep 1817 Abt 1845 --------------¦ ¦Vernon,,NY ,,NY ¦ MRIN:7604 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:11123 +---¦Elizabeth Lott MAY-21055 Rebecca OR Rebekah PHILLIPS-30798 ¦Abt 1822/1823 Abt 1840 ¦,,NY ,Barbour,VA --CHILDREN-- 1Thomas Orland CARPENTER-30800 INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:30799 - --------------------------------------------------- Name:Hezekiah CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1845 Place:,,NY Chr: Place: Marr:Abt 1868 Spouse:Rebecca OR Rebekah PHILLIPS-30798 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place:Spencer,Roane,WV Burial: Place: Father:Hezekiah G CARPENTER-21035 Mother:Elizabeth Lott MAY-21055 Notes --------------------------------------------------------- !Parentage uncertain. May or may not have been Hezekiah Carpenter. See below. Temporary connection. !Information submitted by Richard G. Smith, of Burnet, TX in a letter dated 15 Oct. 1997 indicates that Hezekiah Carpenter (?-?) married Rebekah Phillips (?-?). He died at Spencer, Roane County, WV. Family tradition staes that his father, name unknown, was born about 1810 in either Ireland or Scotland. His name may have been Carpentier or Charpentier. He came to the United States prior to the Civil War (possibly as a result of the potatoe famine in Ireland). His last name was allegedly changed upon arrival in the United States. He settled in Roane county, WV. This Hezekiah served with the GAR in the civil War and lost a leg in battle. It is not known whether John or Hezekiah was the oldest. end notes INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:30798 - --------------------------------------------- Name:Rebecca OR Rebekah PHILLIPS Sex:F ID No: Birth:Abt 1840 Place:,Barbour,VA Chr: Place: Marr:Abt 1868 Spouse:Hezekiah CARPENTER-30799 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: Place: Burial: Place Father:J. Levi PHILLIPS-30326 Mother:Mary MCKINNEY-30327 Notes --------------------------------------------- none Joan Wyatt wrote: > > Looking for any info on Hezikah b. before 1847 in VA. Married Rebecca > Phillips March 16,1867 in Roane Co. > > Still trying to hook up with someone > Joan

Dear Joan, I have no children listed for John W. and Cathrine V. Would you be interested in sharing data? I would be happy to! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA +---¦Joseph CARPENTER-28524 John Webster CARPENTER-39486 ¦ ¦ 1820 2 Aug 1853 --------------¦ ¦,Mason,VA ,Jackson,VA ¦ MRIN:10333 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:14159 +---¦Sarah RUNNION-28526 Cathrine V. PHILLIPS-39487 ¦Abt May 1826 1856 ¦,Mason,VA ,Barbour,VA (There are other marriages) no children listed +---¦Thomas CARPENTER-28465 Joseph CARPENTER-28524 ¦ ¦ 1796 1820 --------------¦ ¦,Gallia,OH ,Mason,VA ¦ MRIN:10309 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:10333 +---¦Sarah WRIGHT-28466 Sarah RUNNION-28526 ¦Abt 1796 Abt May 1826 ¦,,VA ,Mason,VA --CHILDREN-- 1Joseph F. CARPENTER-30270 11-Elijah CARPENTER-39502 2Mahala CARPENTER-39479 3-Malinda CARPENTER-39489 4Samatha CARPENTER-39482 5-John Webster CARPENTER-39486 6-Mary CARPENTER-39491 7-Elizabeth Z. CARPENTER-39493 8-Cynthia CARPENTER-39495 9-Millissa Jane CARPENTER-39500 10-Benjamin William CARPENTER-39498 Joan Wyatt wrote: > > Looking for info on this family.. > Catherine V. Phillips married John W. Carpenter in 1874. > I would really like to find out if I have a connection to this list. > Joan

Mary Lou: I suppose anyone who is very likely to have an answer for you would probably already know where Louisa County is. So, in a way, it might be redundant to bother mentioning the state. But sometimes clues come from left field, so it helps to be specific as to the neighborhood you're referring to. Besides, many subscribers follow lines that aren't their own direct family, and would be interested in knowing what location the traffic is about. (Also, sometimes several states have counties of same name.) So my suggestion (and request) is to name names, dates, counties and states quite explicitly. Robin

The Wiliam in the document in question was I suspect a foreign wine merchant. A warehouse for such an individual would have been a cellar of an existing structure. Crawford in A HISTORY OF THE VINTNERS' COMPANY tells us, "In 1299 the Gascons complained to Edward I because they could not find sufficient houses or cellars to hire, presumably due to obstruction on behalf of their native rivals quite as much as to the genuine lack of accommodation." (p. 18) In those times I am unaware of even the existance of a specialized structure such as a warehouse. i suspect home, warehouse and sometimes barn were often the same. BC

anyone know about the carpenters from amsterdam ny and moved to flushing queens ny around the turn of the century..thanks in advance richard

The arrival of the merchant-trader Carpenters in England, from a location in Flanders, was documented by the 17th century Dutch historian Jean le Carpentier, who maintained descendants of a Godefroy de Carpentier (see vol. 2, 369, Histoire de Cambray et du Cambresis, Leyden, 1664) arrived in England in the very early 1200s. In the Engish historical record, chiefly the Curia Regis Rolls, the court documents of the king’s court, this arrival is seemingly substantiated by the extensive land litigations of a Godefridum Carpentarium in Suffolk from 1207. This individual would be followed in subsequent decades by a great many surnamed Carpenter individuals in an unmistakable pattern of land acquisition in the coastal trade areas from Lincolnshire to Sussex. After the Suffolk Carpenters seem established (and many documents tell of Suffolk Carpenters of a slightly later date), an Adam Carpenter emerges in 1223 in Kent. This Adam is an extensive landowner in Kent, who by the late 1230s is seen in Herefordshire and Gloustershire in similar activities. The land acquisitions of Adam Carpenter are truly extensive and point to an unusual possession of capital wealth. Adam’s first Kent identification is with the town of Rochester, a place associated with overseas trade in the period. Names of other Carpenters in Kent have survived in their own land dispositions, such as a Richard Carpenter, a Robert Carpenter and a Rodger Carpenter. Last mentioned Rodger Carpenter seems connected by property litagation to Essex and another contempoary Carpenter group. Among theseEssex names we find in 1223 a William Carpenter, in 1225 a Reginald Carpenter and in 1237-42 a John Carpenter. In another text, Excerpt E Rotulis Finium, vol. I, a Richard Carpenter is listed for property in 1224 and in 1225 his name is given as Richard le Charpenter, betraying his foreign origins. In vol. II of the same work an Essex Robert le Charpenter is also listed for 1269. For the Rodger Carpenter above there is a land litigation for Lincolnshire, which introduces another large group; a William for 1225-6, a Geoffrey and a Simon for 1237-42, a Galfridus son of Adam for 1268, a Robert son of Gilbert for 1268 and a Walter for 1249. Other Carpenters have widespread dealings and indicate connections to many of the above groups. A Ralph Carpenter in 1225-6 litigated land in Hereford, Suffolk and Norfolk. The Norfolk connection is an interesting one because it was the popular destination of Flemish immigrants connected to the cloth industry from an early date. It is no surprise to find A Carpenter group there. One of the various documents dealing with Ralph mentions a William Carpenter in connection with him. In another William’s son John is mentioned. There is a Rodger Carpenter mentioned for 1237-42. Lastly, a 1237-42 document lists a group of Carpenters in the Westminster area of Middlesex. This is significant because this is the residential and probable business area of a Carpenter group in the London area for the next two centuries. The four are Alexander, Walter, Hugh and John Carpenter. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter

I was checking the Spokane Washington new paper and came across an obit for James M. "Jim" Carpenter. He was 72 when he died the first part of April this year. He was born in Havre, MT. He grew up in Whitefish, MT, and was in the Navy in W.W.II. If you are interested in more info: You can check our newspapers database using our web site. From the Cover, www.spokane.net scroll down to Resources. Click on NewsLibrary. For fee information click on Library Card in the left-hand column. There is no charge for search time, only if you download. If you don't find the name in that database it means we didn't run an obit. I was looking for an obit that I didn't find. For those of you who might have know him or have come across some of his research - James Havilah Gordon died in March of this year. He is buried in the Willamette National Cemetery, Portland, OR. He was retired Navy, a golf pro and genealogist. He is the one that has done most of the research of my husband's Carpenter line. None of his immediate family was interested in his research so he willed it to a close friend Ron Treudall (sp?). Ron told Jim he would get it into the LDS system. I only give you all this information to ask you this question: What's going to happen to all your research? Don't tell me. Tell them. Carolyn Carpenter

Bruce wrote: > This all has the aroma of merchants and trade, shipping and warehouses; > although William's land was a small parcel to be sure. A warehouse? I am extremely puzzled by this speculation that the property might have been a warehouse. The description speaks clearly enough: > William Carpenter the three messuages he holds, A messuage is a dwelling house. In other words, there were three houses on this lot, which would leave little room for other buildings, beyond the usual chicken coops, cow sheds, and whatnot. John Chandler

LOOKING FOR CARPENTERS FROM AMSTERDAM NY WHO LATER MOVED TO FLUSHING NY RICHARD & WILSON SONS BIRTHDATES LATE 1800s send to pro11406@aol.com

Sorry. I forgot to list the state. They were from Louisa co., VIRGINIA Mlshinkle1@aol.com

In the late 1300s, the Carpenter family found itself in the midst of political difficulties, as did the whole of England. John the Elder, and his younger brother Robert, were subject of arrest and political persecution. Indeed so was their father Richard! These social and political misfortunes however, provide us with the means and clues to better define this intriguing family. Previously I had published documents indicating profound Carpenter support for the Lancastrian political cause in the early 1400s. Unknown to me then was evidence that this connection and loyalty would extend back to the reign of King Richard II in the late 1300s. The evidence now portrays an extremely rich merchant family that had its role in the power machinations of this disturbed period in English history. While these political events are complex and confusing, let me try to summarize them. At the end of the reign of King Edward III, by the 1370s, a powerful individual, John of Gaunt the Duke of Lancaster, dominated English politics. This basic fact would be the deciding factor in English history (and Carpenter history) for the next eighty odd years. King Edward’s successor, King Richard II, would come to the throne and oppose John of Gaunt and his allies. In the end King Richard would be deposed by Gaunt’s son, Henry Bolingbroke, who would become King Henry IV. Essentially this would be the beginning of the long acrimonious struggle better known as the War of Roses, the struggle between the Yorkist and Lancastrian claims to the throne. Allied to John of Gaunt were many provincial magnates, three of the prominent being, the Duke of Gloucester, Earl of Arundel and Earl of Warwick. In the late 1300s the crown would attempt to punish all these families and their supporters. I have a hint as to which of the three aristocratic groups the Carpenters were most allied; I will discuss this after I have presented three relevant documents. “To Walter Clopton justice appointed to hold pleas before the king. Order by writ of ‘nisi primus’ to cause an inquisition whereupon Thomas Canforde, Thomas Eode, William Lyngel ‘draper’, Richard Carpenter, Richard Marbury ‘draper’, John Hardynge the younger ‘draper’, all of Caumpeden, John Northem late bailiff of Guytynge, Thomas Cheken ‘bocher’ of Caumpeden and William Bedel of Wynchecombe have put themselves at suit of the king, being indicted for divers tresspasses and extortions, to be taken before the said justice, before one of the justices of the Common Bench or the justices of assize in Gloustershire.” (CLOSE ROLLS, July 8, !388, Westminster) “Memorandum of a mainprise under a pain of 100 L., made in chancery 6 December this year by Thomas atte Stone of Haddeley, Richard Clerke of Kersey, John Dyster, Robert Berte, both of Kersey, Robert atte Mede of Ylle, John Huberd, William Page, both of Ylle, Robert Barewe of Bildeston and Robert Carpenter of Lavenham, for themselves and each for other under the same pain, that they shall do or procure no hurt or harm to Richard Walton of Bishops Lenne, and shall make no unlawful assemblies which tend to disturbance of the people or breach of the peace.” (CLOSE ROLLS, Dec. 7, 1391, Westminster) “Appointment of Richard Waldegrave, Wiliam Wyngefeld and John Orewell, the king’s serjeant-at-arms, to arrest and bring before the king and council John Carpenter of Lavenham, Richard Clerk of Kersey, Robert Berd of Kersey, John Dyster of Kersey, Wiliam Page of Monkesle, John Barowe of Bildeston, Thomas atte Stone of Hadle, John Hoberd of Bildeston, and Robert atte Medewe of Bildeston.” (CLOSE ROLLS, Nov. 24, 1391, Westminster) The ‘Caumpeden’ in the first document in actually modern Chipping Campden, not far from Gloucester. Though not named as a ‘draper’ himself, Richard is surrounded by associates of the trade, and he himself is surely connected to the business, as his sons were. Richard,who appears in a number of documents of the period, and appears more and more as a merchant-broker, probably of finished cloth with activities and property being in London, Middlesex and Hertfordshire. At this point in time the whole family has left London and scattered, probably for reasons of safety. The Lavenham locality for the sons (see a previous quoted document for Elder and Younger John ‘drapers’) and the Chipping Campden location for the father are suggestive of the scale of the family economic activity. In subsequent publications we will see this had been the case for a very long period of time. The mention above of the Earl of Warwick, who was Thomas de Beauchamp, neccessitates speculation here, given the long Carpenter history in the area. Was the Carpenter family allied to the Beauchamp family. The Bishop of Worcester, John Carpenter, whose origins are in the area, had armorial bearings with three red crosslets. The Beauchamp armorials, as I recall, were also three red crosslets (?). That the Beauchamps were connected to cloth manufacture came home to me as I opened the covers of Carus Wilson’s Medieval Merchant Venturers. The first page was a photo of a illustrated medieval manuscript, with a drawing of Earl Richard Warwick de Beauchamp, loading English cloth on his ships, the sails of which bearing his armorials of three cross crosslets above a chevron (colors unspecified). I think this might begin to shed light on what has been a sometimes-bizarre discussion of these symbols and their significance. The entire area in question is wool, cloth and money, noble Beauchamps included. Bruce Carpenter

What state is Louisa County in? Linda Carpenter Fry Mlshinkle1@aol.com wrote: > > I for more information on the following: > > Lavina Carpenter born 1805 Louisa Co., prossibly the daughter of William > Carpebter (ca 1776-ca 1855) > SIBLINGS Selina E., Ann F., James W. and Mary Jane > > Lavina married 23 Dec 1824 in Louisa Co. to > Robert Newman > > Known Children: > William Thomas > Robert Jeter (have additional info on him and his family) > Sallie Ann (my line) > Martha died young > > Any help is greatly appreciated and I am willing to share what I have. > > Thanks > Mary Lou Shinkle > Mlshinkle1@aol.com

I am enjoying all of the information from John, Tony and Bruce - I have copied most of it (113 pages now). My computer has been down for almost a month now and I am just back on line. I would love to find out which Carpenter line is mine, but I can't even find my grandfather's information. I have submitted my Carpenters several times and have never received a response from anyone. There must be someone out there from my line; it is .... Arthur DeVere Carpenter (1867-194?) (I think he was born in New York). He married Grace Murdock, b. 1874-196? in PA. They had the following children: Bernar (no dates), DeVere b. 1893 NY, Elizabeth b. 1895 DE, Herman, b. 1901 CO, Helene b. 1903 CO, and Harry Murdock 7/13/1910 Seattle WA. Arthur was a lecturer on The Chautauqua circuit. I have posted in that NY area, but have had no responses. They eventually settled in Seattle, WA and later moved to Long Beach, CA. I remember my father telling me that Arthur left Grace and went to Australia for 10 years. have posted in that NY area, but have had no responses. Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. Joyce Carpenter Sharpley TASJCS@AOL.com

I for more information on the following: Lavina Carpenter born 1805 Louisa Co., prossibly the daughter of William Carpebter (ca 1776-ca 1855) SIBLINGS Selina E., Ann F., James W. and Mary Jane Lavina married 23 Dec 1824 in Louisa Co. to Robert Newman Known Children: William Thomas Robert Jeter (have additional info on him and his family) Sallie Ann (my line) Martha died young Any help is greatly appreciated and I am willing to share what I have. Thanks Mary Lou Shinkle Mlshinkle1@aol.com

Looking for any info on Hezikah b. before 1847 in VA. Married Rebecca Phillips March 16,1867 in Roane Co. Still trying to hook up with someone Joan

Looking for info on this family.. Catherine V. Phillips married John W. Carpenter in 1874. I would really like to find out if I have a connection to this list. Joan

I recently adopted the Carpenter Genconnect Boards and I would like to invite everyone to visit and place queries on their "brick walls". Also there are data boards for Wills, Bible Records, Deeds, etc. Links to these boards can be found on my web site at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~genworld/carpntr2.html I have also posted some information that I've had in the file cabinet for years, census, etc., in hopes that it could provide a clue for someone else. This will be expanded as time permits. Happy Hunting, Cynthia -- _________________________________________________________ Cynthia Genealogy World http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~genworld Rockwall County TX GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrockwa Red River County TX GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv

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When discussing the Carpenters of London in the 1200s to 1400s, strictly speaking I am often referring to Middlesex. For example St Clement Danes' parish was in the middle ages under the administration of Middlesex.In the late 1800s this area became part of the City of London. The Fleetsreet and St Clements Danes area was on the very border between these two administrative areas. A look at any map recreation of the old city will shown they are basically the same neighborhood. Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter