Dear Linda, The first couple of children were born in England then after 1638 in Weymouth, Norfolk, county, MA. See below. Sincerely, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ****************************************************** best viewed with 8 point font. FAMILY GROUP RECORD-5248 Page 1 of 12 ============================================================ HUSBAND William CARPENTER Capt.-584 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BORN: 23 May 1605 PLACE: of,Wiltshire,England CHR.: PLACE: DIED: Aft 21 Apr 1659 PLACE: W.P.,Rehoboth,Bristol,MA BUR.: Bef 7 Feb 1659 PLACE: Newman Cem.,East Providence,Providence,RI MARR: 28 Apr 1625 PLACE: ShalbourneParish,Wiltshire,England has other marriage(s) FATHER: William CARPENTER of Wherwell-98 PARENTS' MRIN: 10012 MOTHER: Alice-27675 ============================================================ WIFE Abigail BRIANT-659 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BORN: 27 May 1604 PLACE: Shalbourne,Wiltshire,England CHR.: PLACE: DIED: 22 Feb 1686/1687 PLACE: W.P.,Rehoboth,Bristol,MA BUR.: Feb 1687 PLACE: W.P.,Rehoboth,Bristol,MA FATHER: John BRIANT-27671 PARENTS' MRIN: 10011 MOTHER: Alice-27672 ============================================================ CHILDREN ============================================================ 1. NAME: John CARPENTER Capt.-587 ---- BORN: PLACE: M CHR.: 8 Oct 1626 PLACE: Shalbourne,Wiltshire,England DIED: 23 May 1695 PLACE: Jamacia,Long Island,NY BUR.: PLACE: has other marriage(s) SPOUSE: Hannah SMITH-589 MRIN: 188 MARR: Abt 1655 PLACE: ,,LI - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. NAME: Abigail CARPENTER-107 ---- BORN: 31 May 1629 PLACE: Shalbourne,Wiltshire,England F CHR.: 9 Apr 1643 PLACE: Weymouth,Norfolk,MA DIED: 5 Mar 1710 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA BUR.: PLACE: has other marriage(s) SPOUSE: John TITUS-635 MRIN: 197 MARR: 1649/1650 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. NAME: William CARPENTER 4th-103 ---- BORN: PLACE: M CHR.: 22 Nov 1631 PLACE: Shalbourne,Wiltshire,England DIED: 26 Jan 1702/1703 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA BUR.: PLACE: Rehoboth Cem.,East Providence,Providence,RI has other marriage(s) SPOUSE: Priscilla BENNETT-592 MRIN: 190 MARR: 5 Oct 1651 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. NAME: Joseph CARPENTER-104 ---- BORN: PLACE: M CHR.: 6 Apr 1634 PLACE: Shalbourne,Berkshire,England DIED: 6 May 1675/1676 PLACE: Swansey,Bristol,MA BUR.: 8 May 1676 PLACE: Barrington,Providence,RI SPOUSE: Margaret SUTTON-573 MRIN: 183 MARR: 25 May 1655 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA ============================================================ John R. Carpenter | Relationship to: 5850 Yorkshire Ave. | La Mesa, CA 91942-2821 | Husband______________________________ E-Mail: jrcrin001@home.com | Phone:(619) (935 6/00) 466-5735 | Wife______________________________ Date prepared: 1 Nov 1999 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- t FAMILY GROUP RECORD-5248 1 Nov 1999 Page 2 of 12 ============================================================ HUSBAND William CARPENTER Capt.-584 Yr of Birth 1605 WIFE Abigail BRIANT-659 Yr of Birth 1604 ============================================================ CHILDREN (continued) ============================================================ 5. NAME: Samuel CARPENTER-27674 ---- BORN: PLACE: M CHR.: 1 Mar 1636/1637 PLACE: Shalbourne,Berkshire,England DIED: PLACE: BUR.: 20 Apr 1637/1638 PLACE: Shalbourne,Berkshire,England SPOUSE: MARR: PLACE: - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. NAME: Samuel CARPENTER-108 ---- BORN: Abt 1638/1639 PLACE: Weymouth,Norfolk,MA M CHR.: PLACE: DIED: 20 Feb 1682/1683 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA BUR.: 22 Feb 1682/1683 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA SPOUSE: Sarah READAWAY-109 MRIN: 28 MARR: 25 May 1660 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. NAME: Hannah CARPENTER-105 ---- BORN: 3 Apr 1640 PLACE: Weymouth,Norfolk,MA F CHR.: PLACE: DIED: 1670/1673 PLACE: Musceta Cove,Long Island,NY BUR.: 1670/1673 PLACE: Oyster Bay,Nassau,NY SPOUSE: Joseph CARPENTER-619 MRIN: 193 MARR: 21 Apr 1659 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MS - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. NAME: Abraham CARPENTER-4673 ---- BORN: PLACE: M CHR.: 9 Apr 1643 PLACE: Weymouth,Norfolk,MA DIED: Bef 1650 PLACE: BUR.: PLACE: SPOUSE: MARR: PLACE: - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. NAME: Abiah CARPENTER-106 ---- BORN: PLACE: M CHR.: 9 Apr 1643 PLACE: Weymouth,Norfolk,MA DIED: 1699 PLACE: Pawtuxet,,RI BUR.: PLACE: has other marriage(s) SPOUSE: Mary READAWAY-509 MRIN: 195 MARR: 25 May 1660 PLACE: ,Bristol,MS - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10. NAME: Ephraim CARPENTER not proven-586 ---- BORN: 25 Apr 1651 PLACE: Weymouth,Norfolk,MA M CHR.: PLACE: DIED: 30 Apr 1713 PLACE: Rehoboth,Bristol,MA BUR.: PLACE: SPOUSE: MARR: PLACE: ============================================================ ****************************************************** Linda Hannah wrote: > > Hi All, > I just got looking at a map after Bruce's last listing of Carpenters and > places. I noticed there is a Weymouth, England. I knew there was a Plymouth > but not Weymouth. In the Carpenter Memorial it says William #16 was from > Weymouth when he emigrated to Rehoboth. But they never say "New" Weymouth. > So does that mean Weymouth England or Weymouth, MA. Did he land at Weymouth > Mass. and live there till they moved or were they in Plymouth with William > Bradford? Or are they indicating where he was from originally? Some one > please straighten me out! Thanks, Linda in Albuq. > Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, > Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, > Stoner, Wollet.
Looking for Ruben Carpenter b. unknown d. unknown m. poss. Mary ________ Children of Ruben and Mary: William b. abt. 23 dec 1830>Greencastle Indiana d. 14 nov 1902>Exira IO m. Martha Johnston abt. 1856 John was in Brownell KAN in 1902 David was in Spokane WA in 1902 Lucindia b. 12 jan 1847>poss IO d. 29 feb 1912>Brandish Neb. m. James Birge 22 mar 1862>Guthrie Co. IO Sara Ann b. abt 9 mar 1849>Coons Rapid IO d. 11 jan 1874>Exira IO m. James Lukenbill Elijah was in Gazelle CA in 1902 Frank was in Brownell KAN in 1902 Henry was in Brownell KAN in 1902 Reuben was in Browneell KAN in 1902 Can anyone make a connection with this family. Any information will help. Elizabeth
Hi All, I just got looking at a map after Bruce's last listing of Carpenters and places. I noticed there is a Weymouth, England. I knew there was a Plymouth but not Weymouth. In the Carpenter Memorial it says William #16 was from Weymouth when he emigrated to Rehoboth. But they never say "New" Weymouth. So does that mean Weymouth England or Weymouth, MA. Did he land at Weymouth Mass. and live there till they moved or were they in Plymouth with William Bradford? Or are they indicating where he was from originally? Some one please straighten me out! Thanks, Linda in Albuq. Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary, Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick, Stoner, Wollet.
Please read 1362-3 for 1632-3 in message re. Roger Carpenter. Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter
The following are the Carpenter names from the Regis Rolls and the Rotolis Finium. In any document secondary and related individuals are of course listed. For these I have used the expression with. When the occasional French spelling of the name is given, I have included it. A fair number of these Carpenters are trade carpenters. No attempt is made to distinguish them here. Each item represents a land case that came before the Regis court. Many of the litigants were people of means and many of the listed are patronymic Carpenters. A few problems with places names exist. REGIS ROLLS 1207 Robert ..Suffolk Godefridum Suffolk REGIS ROLLS 1208 Godefridi .Suffolk Godfridum ..Suffolk Godefridum Suffolk REGIS ROLLS 1212 Robert ..Suffolk Robert ..Suffolk REGIS ROLLS 1219 Reginaldus with brother Robert ..Sussex REGIS ROLLS 1220 Reginald ..Sussex Reginald ..Sussex REGIS ROLLS 1220 William .Bercsir Walter ..Northampton Waleramus de Wappelade .Lincoln REGIS ROLLS 1221 Robert . Berk REGIS 1223-4 Adam Kent Adam of Rochester ..Kent Agnes daughter of William Essex Bennet .Surrey Eudes . .Westmoreland Eudes (with William) ..Westmoreland Geoffrey Lincoln Henry (with Eudes) ..Westmoreland Ralph Hereford Richard York (Ebor) Robert ..Kent Roger Lincoln Roger Essex Regis Rolls 1225-6 Adam Norfolk Adam Canterbury at Kent Adam Kent Adam Kent Adam Kent Adam Kent Maud wife of Reginald Essex Ralph Hereford Ralph Suffolk Ralph Norfolk Ranulph Canterbury in Kent Roger .Essex William of Haydon Lincoln REGIS ROLLS 1230-32 John ..Sussex Christina wife of Ralph ..Norfolk Ralph with William ..Norfolk Helewise wife of Ralph Surrey Helewise wife of Ralph Surrey Isabel wife of Richard .Kent Ralph with wife Isolda and with William and his son John Norfolk John Sussex John of Butley .Suffolk Roger with John ..Norfolk Solomon .Hereford Thurston Suffolk Thurston ...Suffolk William of Bradenham .Norfolk REGIS ROLLS 1237-42 Adam .Hereford Adam .Hereford Adam .Gloucester Adam .Hereford Alice daughter of John Essex Alexander with Walter, Hugh And John ...Middlesex Geoffrey .Lincoln Geoffrey with Simon .Lincoln Geoffrey with Simon .Lincoln Roger .Norfolk William le Charpenter .Norfolk William ..Surrey ROTULIS FINIUM (when dated) Richard (1224) ..Essex Richard le Charpenter (1225) ..Essex Robtus le Charpenter (1269) ..Essex Ricus Charpenter(1268) Southampton Robert son of Radulphus Charpenter (1272) Sallop William(1241) ..Sallop Galfridus son of Adam (1268) Lincoln Walter (1249) Canterbury in Kent Robert husband of Christina (1253) Suffolk Gilbert son of Robert (1268) ..Lincoln William (1263) Sussex Bruce Carpenter
Dear Bruce, 1) I assume that the following line was a typo? ... Thomas son of Roger Carpenter for 1632-3. Date should be 1332-33 or 1362-63? You wrote: "In the Calendar of Letter Books, a further notation is given for Thomas son of Roger Carpenter for 1632-3. This is interesting because Roger is only 13 or 14 years old." If the date is 1332-33 Roger is about 13-14 years old then this means he would be born about 1319/20? If the date is 1362/63 then Roger being 13-14 would make his birth about 1349/50. Also a previous message you indicated that Roger was alive about "On Ash Wedsday [1 March], 14 Edward III. [A.D. 1339-40]" when the King asked for 20,000 pounds from the nobles. See 2 Oct 1999 E-MAIL. This seems to rule out the 1362/63 variation. "If Richard was the son of Roger and was 13 or 14 at the time of Rogers demise, then that would put the birth of Richard at about 1335, the usual assumed date of Richard Carpenters, father of the Town Clerk, birth." This seems to indicate Roger died circa 1346/1347. You wrote: "20 Jan., 36 Edward III. [a.d. 1362-3], Thomas, son of Roger le Carpenter, spicer, came before Stephen Cavendisshe, the Mayor, and John de Cauntebrigge, the Chamberlain, and acknowledged he had received from Thomas de Brandone, mercer, and Richard Vyncent, Rector of the Church of St. Benedict de Shorhoge, and Adam Fraunceys, mercer, all property due to him on the death of his father, and gave acquittance for the same." This accounting is done when a person comes of legal age, today at age 21. (1362-21= 1341) Thus Thomas son of Roger would have been born about 1341/42. Yet Roger was alive in 1339/40. If Roger was 13 or 14 then he would have been born about 1328/29. If Roger was of Age (21) he would have been born about 1318/19. 2) Does this mean Roger was born before or circa 1318/20 and died sometime after 1339/40? Maybe about 1346? Do you have any other data supporting these dates? Please answer, Your Rehoboth Carpenter Cousin, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > In the Calendar of Letter Books, a further notation is given for Thomas son > of Roger Carpenter for 1632-3. This is interesting because Roger is only 13 > or 14 years old. I had assumed that people received their inheritance at a > much later date. This seems to not be the case. If Richard was the son of > Roger and was 13 or 14 at the time of Rogers demise, then that would put > the birth of Richard at about 1335, the usual assumed date of Richard > Carpenters, father of the Town Clerk, birth. > > 20 Jan., 36 Edward III. [a.d. 1362-3], Thomas, son of Roger le Carpenter, > spicer, came before Stephen Cavendisshe, the Mayor, and John de > Cauntebrigge, the Chamberlain, and acknowledged he had received from Thomas > de Brandone, mercer, and Richard Vyncent, Rector of the Church of St. > Benedict de Shorhoge, and Adam Fraunceys, mercer, all property due to him on > the death of his father, and gave acquittance for the same. (Calendar, > Letter Book f, p. 200) > > Bruce Carpenter
In the Calendar of Letter Books, a further notation is given for Thomas son of Roger Carpenter for 1632-3. This is interesting because Roger is only 13 or 14 years old. I had assumed that people received their inheritance at a much later date. This seems to not be the case. If Richard was the son of Roger and was 13 or 14 at the time of Rogers demise, then that would put the birth of Richard at about 1335, the usual assumed date of Richard Carpenters, father of the Town Clerk, birth. 20 Jan., 36 Edward III. [a.d. 1362-3], Thomas, son of Roger le Carpenter, spicer, came before Stephen Cavendisshe, the Mayor, and John de Cauntebrigge, the Chamberlain, and acknowledged he had received from Thomas de Brandone, mercer, and Richard Vyncent, Rector of the Church of St. Benedict de Shorhoge, and Adam Fraunceys, mercer, all property due to him on the death of his father, and gave acquittance for the same. (Calendar, Letter Book f, p. 200) Bruce Carpenter
Rethinking Roger Carpenter. Roger Carpenter was the only Carpenter in 1330s and 1340s with wealth and importance in the city of London. The merchants of the period are referred to as the Barons of London. Would it be reasonable in any way to exclude the possibility that Richard Carpenter could be his son? There is no will extant for Roger. However there is extant documentation for his infant son Thomas in 1349. If Richard was born c. 1330, he would already have been a young man about business by 1349, but still too young to care for Thomas. The legal representative of Thomas is his Aunt Agnes. It is an interesting fact, in the extant documentation for Thomas Carpenter, which he is entrusted to a mercer, and that one of the two sureties, of the document was a mercer. We know that John Carpenter the Town Clerk of London was a mercer, and his father Richard was buried in the neighborhood (St. Martin Outwich) associated with the mercers, and he appears in documents with other cloth merchants. (Calendar of Letter-Books, Letter-book F, p. 200.) Wednesday before the Nativity of the Lord [25 Dec.] 23 Edward III [a.d. 1349], the guardianship of Thomas, son of Roger le Carpenter, spycer, committed to Thomas de Brandone, mercer, by Walter Turk, Mayor, Richard Lacer, Roger de Depham, Aldermen, and Thomas de Waldene, the Chamberlain, by assent of William de Chalk and Agnes his wife, the aunt and nearest friend of the said Thomas, together with the sum of L.45, and rents of the value of 105s 9 1/2d., to hold in trust for the said infant, who is not to marry without the permission of the Mayor and Aldermen. Sureties, viz., Richard Vyncent, Rector of the Church of St. Benedict de Shorhogge, who holds a lay fee in the parish of St. Augustine, near St. Pauls gate, and Adam Fraunceys, mercer. The language describing Agnes as the nearest friend of Thomas must mean his nearest relative of legal age or station in life bestowing responsibility. If Richard were a brother he would have been disqualified of any legal responsibility because of age. The other point, which makes me suspicious Thomas had other siblings, is the amount of his inheritance, which is seemingly small for the only son of one of the wealthiest merchants in London. The amount of 40 pounds appears in many similar documents of the time. The amount might have been what it legally took to insure the temporary well being of a minor. Likewise for the father of Roger Carpenter, there is no other logical candidate except the William Carpenter spycer in the early 1300s. William exhibits all the same trade and political activity characteristics of the later Roger. There were no other Carpenters of similar social standing in London at the time. Williams son must have been Roger. Roger must have been the father of the Richard who appeared in several property litigations in the surrounding London area in the late 1300s. Roger had various properties and connections to the St. Benedict parish in Shorhog, an area close by Fleetstreet and St. Clement Danes, where all the other Carpenters (and a Richard Carpenter) resided in the late 1200s and the 1300s. Shorhog and Holebourn seem overlapping. Thus we can assume the William Charpenter de Holebourne was the father of Roger. Both were spycers . William de Holebourne and Edward Charpenter of St. Clement Danes must be related. Edward and a William appear together in a ship salvage related document on the coast of Dorcet. The surnames of both are rendered by the telltale Charpenter, indicating denizen status. Edwards son was a documented wine importer and wool exporter. Well known spycers were importers of wine in addition to their nominal profession. The cloth making and retailing professions in England, according to my reading, only come into their own in the mid 1300s, when English home-manufactured cloth begins to dominate the markets of Europe. That Richard and his sons would begin to move into these professions would have been only natural. From the mid 1300s on England really begins its history as a manufacturing nation and English cloth was the starting place. Bruce Carpenter
Dear Carolyn, Diane Mortensen supplied some data on this family also. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Descendants of James C. Carpenter updated by Diane Mortensen at Vancover, WA. at mort@integrityonline.com in September of 1998. +---¦James C. CARPENTER-17650 William Henry CARPENTER-17673 ¦ ¦19 May 1824 11 Jul 1864 --------------¦ ¦Shelby,Orleans,NY Lyons,Fulton,Fulton,OH ¦ --SPOUSE-- MRIN:6312 +---¦Cordelia THOMPSON-17651 Lavina JENKINS-17674 ¦29 Aug 1829 20 Mar 1857 ¦,Alleghany,NY ,Ulster,NY --CHILDREN-- 1-James CARPENTER-17675 2-Erma May CARPENTER-17676 ********************************************************* Tawker1@aol.com wrote: > > This is not the one you are looking for but thought it might be of interest > to someone. > Descendants of William Henry Carpenter > > 1 William Henry Carpenter b: July 11, 1864 in Lyons, Fulton, Ohio > d: July 06, 1930 in Northville, Wayne, Michigan > .. +Lavina Jenkins m: December 24, 1890 in Fairfield, Michigan > ... 2 James Carpenter > ... 2 Erma May Carpenter b: May 15, 1895 in Fairfield Co, Michigan > d: December 09, 1983 in Grayling, Michigan > > Carolyn Carpenter
Dear Folks, I see these terms a lot in the old Orange County deeds and books. Does anyone know the history, early settlers, etc. and present location of these areas? I have seen Greycourt associated with the early Cromeline tract and associated with the names Phineas Dun, Joseph Carpenter, and William Morrell, and maybe Anselem Helms. Does anyone have any information on any of the above families (this is 18th century). I have seen Blaggs Clove associated with Woodhull and a John Carpenter and others. Does anyone know which JOHN CARPENTER this might have been and information on his family and descendants. I have seen the name Craigsville associated with Soloman Carpenter, and perhaps, an early JOHN CARPENTER. There were many JOHN CARPENTERs mentioned in the history of ORANGE County and I am trying to sort them out. Any assitance would be appreciated! Phoebe in CA
Below is the obit of my once sister-in-law Phyllis J. Carpenter. Any info on the inclosed surnames greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul Phyllis J. Larimore (Carpenter) Phyllis J. Larimore, 64, of Lebanon, died Wednesday, Sept. 29, 1999, in General Leonard Wood Memorial Hospital at Fort Leonard Wood. She was born Nov 29, 1934 in Waterville, Douglas Co., WA to Roy Wesley Carpenter and Goldie Irene Wilhelm. On June 5, 1955, she married C. L. "Larry" Larimore, who preceded her in death in; Springfield MO; (Editors Note: the obit can be seen in the Springfield News Leader Dated 10 Sept 1998). She was also preceded in death by her parents, and a brother Jesse Carpenter. Phyllis was a military wife, following her husband from Washington State to Alaska, Fort Leonard Word, West Germany, and then to Lebanon, Laclede Co., MO where they made their home for 32 years. She was a homemaker, also served as a Boy Scout den mother and Brownie leader, was involved in the NCO Wife's Club; a VFW Auxiliary member, a member of Eastern Star, and formerly was involved in the Pomme de Terre Shrine Club. For 16 years she was employed at County Kitchen in Lebanon. Survivors include her five children, Barbara Ray and her husband Dale, of Dover, AR; Joseph Larimore and his wife Melinda of Springfield, MO; Lenny Larimore and his wife Cindy of Lebanon, MO; Karen Cook and her loved one Brian Delling of Republican; and Christine Stall and her loved one David Kantner of Springfield; 10 grandchildren; three great-grandchildren; a sister Dorothy Wissinger and husband Rocky of South Prairie, WA; a brother Gordon Carpenter and wife Hazel of Allyn, WA; a brother-in-law Larry Larimore and wife Amber of LaGrande, OR; numerous nieces and nephews, and special friends, Bo and Carolyn Bumgarner, Ron Stall, and Gary Cook. A celebration of the life of Phyllis Larimore will be held at 2 p.m. Sunday, Oct 3, 1999 at Faith Christian Fellowship, 1535 St. Louis Street in Springfield, under the direction of Greenlawn Funeral Home North of Springfield. A memorial has been established to the American Cancer Society.
This is an additional note to the Gloucestershire connection to the London Carpenters. We had seen that John Carpenter Sr. and his brother Robert held land of Thomas Duke of Gloucester in the troubled reign of King Richard II. Richard Whittington the Mayor of London and patron-friend of John Carpenter Town Clerk of London was from a gentry family in Gloucester. Whittington was asked to accompany King Richard to arrest the Duke. This had troubled me until I reread Whittingtons biography in the Dictionary of National Biography, where it quotes sources at this historical juncture of Whittington referring to both the King and the Duke as his special lords and promoters. Thus we might suppose a deeper web of interests and connections between the London Carpenters and the local situation in Gloucestershire. In my research of the London Carpenters these local interrelationships have been the most difficult to shed light on. They no doubt existed in both Warwickshire as well as Gloucestershire. Previous we had seen a document that listed Richard Carpenter with a large group of cloth-makers and dyers in Gloucestershire in political difficulties at this same time. Whittington was likewise a cloth-maker and dealer. My conclusion in all of this is that, the Carpenters and Whittingtons, were manufacturing cloth in Gloucestershire on land held of the Duke in the late 1300s. Bruce Carpenter
The interpretation of the data here is an impossibility. The Richard here is an old man, probably a trade-carpenter who had been in royal service. The language of such documents always concerns old men while the terms for orphaned children is of a different kind. The orginal letter is reproduced here. Bruce Carpenter (original) In 1348 the Black Plague was on the English coast. Three months later the horror was in London, where estimates have it that between a third to a half of all souls in the city perished. Previously I published the account of a Thomas Carpenter, son of a wealthy merchant Rodger Carpenter, was put under the care of city officials in 1349. We can assume Rogers demise was plague related. Thomas was put under the care of the powerful, because such was the custom of England, to protect the property and asset rights of the young. Was Richard Carpenter a plague orphan? In this sad document King Edward III takes responsibility for a Richard Carpenter at the height of the plague. Richard must have had family means to warrant such consideration from the King himself. From CLOSE ROLLS, Edward III, 1349. Richard Carpenter sent to the prior and convent of Caresbrok to receive such maintenance in that house for life as John de Modesprot, deceased, had there at the Kings request. Sincerely, Bruce E. Carpenter
Carpenter, Benjamin F.; D; 2nd Reg Cav Vols Carpenter, John C.; H; 10th Reg Inf Vols Carpenter, Oliver C.; B; 7th Reg Inf Vols Unclaimed Civil War Medals http://www.wvlc.wvnet.edu/history/medalm-z.html Phoebe
I thought that was part of the reason for this forum - to find the errors and try to correct them. Perhaps we need to quote more of our sources but hopefully we all know that unless we see the documents ourselves that we are still taking the word of someone else. That person being human and humans make mistakes. There are those of us that do this as a hobby and not as a quest. But we do need to be reminded from time to time that lots of this info is subject to error. I really dislike getting into this type of correspondence but I guess this is my day to say something. I do not mean to offend. Oh, if I send out info that is erroneous please let me know and give me the correction and source. I would really appreciate it. Carolyn Carpenter
This is not the one you are looking for but thought it might be of interest to someone. Descendants of William Henry Carpenter 1 William Henry Carpenter b: July 11, 1864 in Lyons, Fulton, Ohio d: July 06, 1930 in Northville, Wayne, Michigan .. +Lavina Jenkins m: December 24, 1890 in Fairfield, Michigan ... 2 James Carpenter ... 2 Erma May Carpenter b: May 15, 1895 in Fairfield Co, Michigan d: December 09, 1983 in Grayling, Michigan Carolyn Carpenter
This website contains a lot of incorrect and bad information that is unproven and should not be used by Carpenter researchers, especially the early VA/WV Carpenters. Richard L. Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: WDC GenWeb <dlytton@primenet.com> To: <wdc-genweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: Robert Carpenter b. abt 1558 Eng. > VA/wv > Some descendants of Robert Carpenter b. abt 1558: > http://www.primenet.com/~dlytton/wdc/z0000567.html > > This chart starts in about the year 1558, and if you click on the > first link you'll be taken to a chart of Robert's ancestors which > begins with John Carpenter born about 1303 in England. From there > these folks lived in NY and MA then spread throughout Virginia and > West Virginia. Surnames found in this chart: > > Albertson, Argabrite, Arnold, Batt, Bennett, Board, Booker, Brooks, > Burdette, Carpenter, Clarkson, Coles, England, Farman, Ferris, Fields, > Fowler, Friend, Green, Hall, Hardman, Haviland, Hicks, Horner, Horton, > Kepp, Knight, Lawrence, Lowe, Luther, Mann, McElwain, McFarlin, > McGloucklin, McKinney, McKown, Miller, Moore, Palmer, Peake, Phillips, > Pringle, Prior, Readaway, Roberts, Sands, Searles, Sherman, Simpson, > Smith, Starcher, Straley, Sutton, Tanner, Thorncraft, Thorne, Titus, > Tolley, Trevelain, Van Metter, Vandal, Walker, Ware, Weeks, Whitcomb, > Wicks, Williams, Wolfe and Wright > > -Contributor names and email address are at the ends of most charts- > Search People Index: http://www.primenet.com/~dlytton/wdc/wdc.html > Daryl Lytton - WDC GenWeb Project Coordinator - dlytton@primenet.com >
Seeking information on; William Henry Carpenter b.1842, d.abt.1927, at Fort Mason,Ca. m. Eliza Jane Chadwick jul 10 1866, b.1847. Children: Frank William Will Carrie b.july 26,1867, in San Francisco Annie Elizabeth b. nov 15 1874/75, in San Francisco Emily Adeline b.nov 21,1876
The data I wish to introduce is preliminary and coincidental. It involves a group of patronymic Carpenters in Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Oxford. All three places, I wish to remind were all-important places for cloth production in the period discussed. A Ralph Carpenter appears in the Curia Regis Rolls in a series of land acquisitions in Hereford, Suffolk and Norfolk. I would like to add Oxford as well. Many of Ralphs land holdings were royal lands (manum domini regis). A Ralph was found having rented a mill from the Earl of Norfolk. This could have been a wool fulling mill. Ralph appears with a William Carpenter in Norfolk land settlements suggesting a family relationship. I suspect William was a son. William also appears in Norfolk settlements with a John specified as his son. Also in Norfolk was an Adam Carpenter, who in a later land settlement had a specified son Galfridus. Adam also showed a patter of land acquisition like Ralph, but in Kent. However, Adams activities take him in the end to Herefordshire. In Oxford at during the same years the exact same names appear in the records of the charity behests of St. John the Baptist Hospital. In 1220 Radulfus Carpentarius makes his appearance. The name Radulfus appears once suggesting no long-term residence in the town. However from 1226 a Iohannes Carpentarium appears in several instances of quitclaims of his property to the hospital. We could draw a number of conclusions from this; that John was wealthy, that John now lived outside of town (in style) etc. Contemporary with John is Willemus Carpentarius de Coule who appears in a St.John related quitclaim for 1235 and 1242. William Carpenter seems well established outside of Oxford and could easily be the father of John. If we return to Adam Carpenters son Galfridus once again, in 1246 the hospital is given a formal charter by King Henry III. Among the list of charter patrons,with the King, s Galfridi Carpentarii. Geoffrey Carpenter first appears in Oxford St. John records in 1210, but it isnt until 1240 the he begins to surrender his town holding to the hospital,and finally as a charter member of the royal charity itself. Geoffrey also appeared active in Lincolnshire in the early 1200s with a Rodger Carpenter. Rodger held land in Norfolk with John Carpenter in the 1230s. Much later in the 1280s a Rodger Carpenter becomes one of the tenants of the hospital, suggesting an older man in need of care. Already the hospital was functioning as a place for Carpenters as Geoffrey had originally intended. A William Carpenter held Lincolnshire land in the early 1200s. The Lincolnshire Carpenters maintain themselves there through the 1300s as ship owning merchants. Another Carpenter in Oxford in 1240, and appearing in the same ducuments as Geoffery, is a Robert Carpenter. Their relationship is unspecified. Robert Carpenter appears in many Kent dispositions at the same time as Adam. Might Robert have been Geofferys brother? The Lincolnshire Carpenters can be connected to a Richard Carpenter in London through the merchant Gilbert Carpenter. The Oxford Carpenters can be traced to the London Merchant Rodger Carpenter. They all can be connected to the Fleetsteet area of London through the 1300s. All the above Carpenters in Kent, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Norfolk etc., exhibit what is plainly an overlapping pattern of land ownership. One Carpenter from one area joins with another in a joint ownership. I do not quite understand this, but might there be some legal reason for this? As I stand back from my notebooks, and view the data as a whole, there seems some kind of clan economic activity. Was this typical? Was this a result of their having come from another country. This discovery of a charity for Carpenters says a lot, I think, about their mentality as a group at this point in history. Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter
Thanks to John Carpenter and John Chandler for Suffolk and clarification of Godwin. The insight of continental origins and name usage is very useful. The text I am reading now renders Galfridi or Galfridus as Geoffrey. This leads me to the substance of this letter, which is to announce that the three volume history of St. John the Baptist Hospital in Oxford is going to prove a very, very important parcel of Carpenter family history. Hospitals in the Middle Ages had a wider role of activity than modern hospitals. They could act as inns for example. With these books the Carpenter line can seemingly be traced back to the early 1200s. One of the founders of the charity (along with the King) was a Galfridus Carpentarius. Many, many family members are mentioned with dates, and the personages seem the same as those found in the Curia Regis Roles. Was it the case the Carpenters first settled in the coastal trading cities (set up shop) and then moved to Herefordshire, Oxford and then London. This should have been no surprise to me given the extensive mid 1300s data on Stanton St John (Oxford) Carpenters (Sir John Carpenter and others) and their connection to the London Carpenters. Here again all the names and dates are the same. According to the editors of the St. John Baptists books, these charitable trusts were very much family (clan) charities with later members of a family renting land and homes from the hospital. As you look through the books the Carpenters used St John Baptist through to the 1700s! The first Carpenter in Oxford was a Radulfus Carpentarius in the very first years of the 1200s. As I looked through the Curia Regis Rolls the first Carpenter who showed the common pattern of land aquisition (in this case in Suffolk) was a Radulfus Carpentarius. Was Ralph the father of Adam? The Curia regis Rolls says Adam was the father of Galfridus. Same people? A major problem now is Mediae Latinitatis. Does John Chandler read Medieval Latin? BC