Diane, Sorry for being so slow to reply. This name is not as common as most so I thought I'd forward what I have. The source is WFT, Vol10, Ped 4543. Carolyn Carpenter Descendants of John Baker Carpenter 1 John Baker Carpenter b: April 18, 1821 in Hoosick, New York d: September 10, 1899 in Pittstown, New York ... 2 Ethel Carpenter b: 1855 ... 2 Alice M Carpenter b: 1857 ... 2 William Carpenter b: 1859 ... 2 Merritt Bosworth Carpenter b: September 06, 1861 in White Creek, New York d: March 30, 1933 in Stamford, Connecticut ......... 3 Harold Smith Carpenter ............... 4 Grace Louise Carpenter ............... 4 John Lyman Carpenter .................... 5 David Alan Carpenter .................... 5 Gary Paul Carpenter .................... 5 John Scott Carpenter .................... 5 Carol Jean Carpenter ... 2 Washington Irving Carpenter b: 1863 ... 2 Jessie Carpenter b: 1865

Some interesting Carpenter history took place in 1259 when the embassy to the French court, in search of peace, included a Ricardus le Charpenter, one of the thirteen members of the embassy party. This was something of an important event in English history, because one of the principal matters discussed at these negotiations was no doubt the reversion of Normandy back to the French crown. King Henry himself finalized this matter in his subsequent personal visit to Paris. Richard’s name appears a number of times in Rotulis Finium and other works for 1225, for matters in Essex principally. He seems one of the very first group of Carpenters that came to England. Richard marks the beginning of Carpenter involvement in the higher circles of English politics. Richard must have been an older and established man in his fifties at this point. He was certainly a merchant and perhaps these types of contacts with ships and foreign ports, brought him to the embassy. In England at this juncture an enormous amount of national power was in the hands of foreigners, a matter which provided the seeds of serious conflict for King Henry and those after him in the late 1200s. The original was a royal letter to a monastic abbot in Suffolk with instructions concerning the members of the embassy. It appears in Close Rolls for 1256-59, pp.477-8. Bruce Carpenter

Adam Carpenter seems the likely ancestor of the English Herefordshire Carpenters. His foreign identity is glimpsed in a Close Rolls legal proceeding (p. 237) involving his son Simon in Essex in 1252. Simon le Charpenter is clearly delineated, along with the revealing Latin aside of ‘Simon filius Ade’. Ade or Adam appears in many other legal events, in a wide geographical range as absentee landlord. For fortuitous document gives us his residence however, in Kent with a seemingly impressive name ‘Adam Carpuntarium de Roff’ or Adam Carpenter of Rochester (Regis, 1223, no. 1032). Elsewhere he is discussed as ‘magistrum Adam’ or Master Adam, terms of respect, for an individual who clearly has means and the power connected to it (Regis, 1237, no. 13). In a majority of the cases concerning an active Adam is the name Hubert de Burg, a name of destiny in English history. Adam Carpenter is clearly at odds with Hubert, and all the literature with the two names coexisting reads ‘Hubertus de Burgo versus Adam Carpentarium’ or Hubert against Adam. Hubert nearly controlled the entire nation of England in his day. Hubert disliked foreigners and I suspect this was an element of his problem with our Carpenter, who was minted in Flanders and come to England to expand a family fortune. Adam’s English adventure began itself in Norfolk, that home and gathering place of Flemmings in the 13th century. If Carpenters needed land, then the natural source would be the Bigod family, the Earls of Norfolk. Just at Adam’s point in time, all the Bigod land fell into the hands of Hubert de Burgo (see Dict. of Nat. Biog.). Hubert would be the custodian, the keeper of Bigod assets, until one of the Bigods would grow old enough to assume power himself. The Bigod family and Flanders have many connections, such as joint crusades, and aristocratic marriages with the house of d”Avesne. The goings on that are implied by such alliances, are too easy to imagine-Norfolk wool sent to weavers in Flanders. We can find Adam’s brother Ralph Carpenter with a Bogod family wool-fulling mill at just this time (Ancient Deeds, vol. I, p. 63). BC

Common error in address. jrcrin001@home.com (jrc rin 001) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Robin Carpenter wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:13:24 > >To: jcrin001@home.com <<<----JOHN: this address failed! > >From: Robin Carpenter <ANALYTIX@valley.net> > >Subject: JC's 1732 Will > >Cc: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Hi John: > > Thanks for the info responding to my posting re John's 1738 Will. Not > surprisingly, your additional info prompts me to several further comments > and questions. These are all matters of detail, and describing it all may > seem tedious...but I'm hoping that with specificity it'll be "easier" to > follow the earlier mentions etc. Here goes: > > 1. Interesting that your birth dates table shown under "Family > #518" pretty nearly follows my interpretation (from the will) of birth > sequence of John #24's children. The only major exception is my > interpretation would put Solomon up at #2 position. I note that you have > Solomon's birth range "1690/1712." I have seen assertions of this Solomon > as one of the earliest settlers of Goshen; in such case he would be an adult > by 1714, or 1720 at the latest. Wouldn't this make Solomon's latest > plausible birth year would be 1693, or maybe 1699. Of course, this revised > boundary could still have him halfway down the sequence of John's kids--just > as your table has it. > > 2. Who is the "John" shown in your table as a son of our subject John? > > ("3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685/1687") This all new > to me, and clearly not mentioned in the Will. One thing that is not at all > ambiguous in the Will is that there are exactly 9 offspring. > > 3. Re that same table overall, where do the birth dates come from? > (Is all this table from the "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" that is > cited in the short paragraph just above the table, or "Colonial Families," > or some other source?) > > 4. Regarding that same paragraph(*), can you interpret the info > for me? (*)--"PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) > & MARY RHODES?, DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. SEE: > Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith." I get the part of John's b > and d dates, and I get that someone (who?) believes but is unsure wife Mary > was a Rhodes. But I don't understand what is "DAU JOHN." Also, does the > reference to "Colonial Families..." mean that the author of "New England > Marriages..." refers to "Colonial Families..." or is Colonial Familes a side > note added in your synopsis? > > 5. The summary paragraph describing the 1732 Will should include > mention of Joseph. He is cited in the Will three times. > > 6. Of course you are right in that it is "still in question" as to > which of John's wives was mother to which of the offspring. Still in > question today, and probably to will remain in question forever. So my > interpretation of maternity from the Will is necessarily subjective and > (most assuredly) unauthoritative. > > But just to be a gadfly about my interpretation, I note that the > birthdates given in your table of "Family #518" have daughter Mary (b. "Abt > 1692") the first of the girls and before Nehemiah. Given that John's 2nd > wife was named Mary, this small item would seem at least a tiny hint that > dau Mary was a child of mother Mary. And if so, then all the other girls, > too. And tying back to my earlier interpretation of the Will, note that > there are three separate citations of "Joseph Increase & Nehemiah." All > three citations are (a) exactly in that order, (b) inheriting shares equal > to each other, (c) twice cited in same breath with the sisters, and (d) > never mentioned together with or sharing items regarding John and Solomon. > To me, that's a scenario of high (albeit unproven) liklihood that these 6 > children were born to Mary, with John and Solomon born to Abigail. (Are you > persuaded of the liklihood, or no?) > > 7. Finally, I am surprised to learn of a known and published > marriage between John Carpenter and Mary Rhodes, Feb 9, 1680. "Surprised" > only because I would have expected a known and published marriage to have > appeared in works of ABC, RGC, and whoever authored "Ancestors & Descendants > of Col Solomon Carpenter." (Who did author that?). Well, I've been > surprised by facts before, and I'll be surprised again. But what's the > source of this John/Mary marriage info? > > Sorry to go on at such length. Look forward to hearing back. > > Robin C. > >

Dear Robin, Replies in CAPS below. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Robin Carpenter wrote: > > Hi John: > Thanks for the info responding to my posting re John's 1738 Will. Not > surprisingly, your additional info prompts me to several further comments > and questions. These are all matters of detail, and describing it all may > seem tedious...but I'm hoping that with specificity it'll be "easier" to > follow the earlier mentions etc. Here goes: > 1. Interesting that your birth dates table shown under "Family #518" THERE WERE AT LEAST TWO SOLOMON CARPENTERS COMING IN GOSHEN AT THIS TIME. MORE DETAIL INFORMATION NEEDED. LIKE WILLS! > pretty nearly follows my interpretation (from the will) of birth sequence of > John #24's children. The only major exception is my interpretation would > put Solomon up at #2 position. I note that you have Solomon's birth range > "1690/1712." I have seen assertions of this Solomon as one of the earliest > settlers of Goshen; in such case he would be an adult by 1714, or 1720 at > the latest. Wouldn't this make Solomon's latest plausible birth year would > be 1693, or maybe 1699. Of course, this revised boundary could still have > him halfway down the sequence of John's kids--just as your table has it. > 2. Who is the "John" shown in your table as a son of our subject John? SEE: INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:12755 - ---------------------------------------------- Name:John CARPENTER 3rd Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1685 Place:Jamacia,Queens,Long Island Chr: 1704 Place:Jamacia,,Long Island Marr:Abt 1719 Spouse:Ruth-12715 Marr: 1735 Spouse:Ruth COE-12756 Marr: Spouse: Death:Abt 1755 Place:Goshen,Orange,NY Burial: Place: Father:John CARPENTER Jr. Capt.-12521 Mother:Mary RHODES-1402 Notes -------------------------------------------------------- !Number 74 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 61. Family is number 42 on page 82. He resided at Goshen, NY. He was called John the Sheriff, to distinguish him from others by the name of John. He served as sheriff for the county of Orange in NY at one time. After he died, his wife, Ruth married a Thurston. and probably kept the records of her family. He bought land of his father in 1704 or 1705. He exchanged land in 1706 and sold it to his brother Joseph in 1714, a 20 acre lot. In the history of Orange County, we find that on July 10, 1721, John Everett, John Carpenter 2d., and John Carpenter 3d. Jr., and others gave a deed of land in trust to lay out a Presbyterian church, cemetery, parsonage and streets, and in all about 140 acres. In 1895, the Presbyterian church celebrated its 175 year. The name of Carpenter in Goshen since 1721 has appeared to be very numerous. !Per page 83, "Increase was executor of his father's (John) will of May 1, 1738, and settled his estate." Children were born into the 1750s per the Carpenter Memorial. He married Ruth Coe in 1735, but children are listed to him born about 1720. This indicates another marriage. Whoever were the first settlers of Goshen, NY, it is beyond all question that this John (#74) and his brother, Solomon (#75), the grandsons of John (#17), were among the first. !A Patriot, served in Dutchess County Militia Associated Exempts. !SEE: Roberts, New York in the REVOLUTION AS COLONY AND STATE. !RECORDS: All the following from Hempstead Town Records of LI, NY. Vol. VI - John Carpenter reference. Some references may be his sons or another John Carpenter: 1773 (no date) ear marks Nov 6, 1801 mentioned in deed between George Mitchell and Singleton Mitchell referencing his property line. Submitted by Phoebe Cortesis of CA via E-Mail on 6-8-98. END > ("3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685/1687") This all new to > me, and clearly not mentioned in the Will. One thing that is not at all > ambiguous in the Will is that there are exactly 9 offspring. > 3. Re that same table overall, where do the birth dates come from? OTHER THAN PHOEBE, THEY ARE EDUCATED GUESSES OR FROM THE CARPENTER MEMORIAL. > (Is all this table from the "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" that is NO. SEE THE BOOK CALLED "NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700" IT LISTS "CARPENTER, JOHN (BORN ABT 1658- DIED 1732) MARRIED MARY RHODES?, DAUGHTER OF JOHN (RHODES); MARRIED OR RECORDED ON 9 FEB 1680; IN JAMAICA, LI AND /WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. > cited in the short paragraph just above the table, or "Colonial Families," > or some other source?) > 4. Regarding that same paragraph(*), can you interpret the info for > me? (*)--"PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) & > MARY RHODES?, DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. SEE: > Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith." I get the part of John's b > and d dates, and I get that someone (who?) believes but is unsure wife Mary > was a Rhodes. But I don't understand what is "DAU JOHN." Also, does the > reference to "Colonial Families..." mean that the author of "New England COLONIAL FAMILIES SHOULD BE A SIDE NOTE. > Marriages..." refers to "Colonial Families..." or is Colonial Familes a side > note added in your synopsis? COLONIAL FAMILIES SHOULD BE A SIDE NOTE. > 5. The summary paragraph describing the 1732 Will should include THE FOLLOWING WAS QUOTED WITH VARIATION FROM THE CARPENTER MEMORIAL: !Number 24 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 50. Family is number 13 on page 61. He resided at Jamaica, LI. His will was dated 10 Jun 1732 and proved 30 Jul 1732. His will names his wife Mary, sons Nehemiah, John and Solomon of Goshen to whom he gives his musket, sword, etc. Daughters Mary, Hannah, Susanna, and Phebe. Also mentioned was Increase who with Nehemiah were executors to the will of their father. He took the oath as Captain of Troops, Nov. 22, 1703 at Jamaica. Of Huntington, RI. > mention of Joseph. He is cited in the Will three times. > 6. Of course you are right in that it is "still in question" as to > which of John's wives was mother to which of the offspring. Still in > question today, and probably to will remain in question forever. So my > interpretation of maternity from the Will is necessarily subjective and > (most assuredly) unauthoritative. > But just to be a gadfly about my interpretation, I note that the > birthdates given in your table of "Family #518" have daughter Mary (b. "Abt > 1692") the first of the girls and before Nehemiah. Given that John's 2nd > wife was named Mary, this small item would seem at least a tiny hint that > dau Mary was a child of mother Mary. And if so, then all the other girls, THE CHILDREN LISTING IS IN THE ORDER GIVEN IN THE CARPENTER MEMORIAL. > too. And tying back to my earlier interpretation of the Will, note that > there are three separate citations of "Joseph Increase & Nehemiah." All > three citations are (a) exactly in that order, (b) inheriting shares equal > to each other, (c) twice cited in same breath with the sisters, and (d) > never mentioned together with or sharing items regarding John and Solomon. > To me, that's a scenario of high (albeit unproven) liklihood that these 6 > children were born to Mary, with John and Solomon born to Abigail. (Are you > persuaded of the liklihood, or no?) IF MARY RHODES (M. 9 Feb 1680) MARRIED AFTER HER SISTER ABIGAIL THEN YES. > 7. Finally, I am surprised to learn of a known and published > marriage between John Carpenter and Mary Rhodes, Feb 9, 1680. "Surprised" > only because I would have expected a known and published marriage to have > appeared in works of ABC, RGC, and whoever authored "Ancestors & Descendants > of Col Solomon Carpenter." (Who did author that?). BEGIN THE ANCESTRY AND DESCENDANTS OF COL. SOLOMON CARPENTER OF GOSHEN, NEW YORK RESEARCHED, COMPILED & ISSUED BY THE CARPENTER FAMILY ASSN. LIMITED EDITION Printed in 1974 PUBLISHER: THE NEWS-JOURNAL P.O. Box 398 (address no longer valid) Machias, Maine 04654 PREFACE My pleasure in being able to produce this booklet stems from many reasons and I welcome an opportunity to comment upon its contents. ... ROSEMARY E. BACHELOR Publisher, Editor, The News - Journal -- A Historical The Carpenter News Journal and Genealogical Publishing The Batchelor News Journal Firm The Rice News-Journal 14 Broadway, Machias, Maine 04654 END Well, I've been > surprised by facts before, and I'll be surprised again. But what's the > source of this John/Mary marriage info? NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700 is by Clarence Almon Torrey (974.0 v25t) GENEALOGICAL PUBLISHING CO., INC. Baltimore, MD 1985. His sources are too many to cite here. NEHGS and GPC had cooperated on producing this work. The printed version is like a index to the microfilmed version which cites sources with the marriage. > Sorry to go on at such length. Look forward to hearing back. > Robin C.

I read this in the news paper the other day and thought it would be of some use to some of you. How to preserve a newspaper clipping When you find a special recipe in the newspaper or want to save a birth or wedding announcement, here's how: To preserve a newspaper clipping, dissolve a milk of magnesia tablet in a quart of club soda and let it sit overnight. The next day pour the mixture into a pan large enough to hold the flattened newspaper clipping. Soak the clipping for one hour: remove and gently pat dry. Place the clipping on a flat surface and do not move until completely dry. The estimated life of your clipping after the milk of magnesia treatment is 200 years. Submitted by: Wilma Kimbell Carolyn Carpenter

>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:13:24 >To: jcrin001@home.com <<<----JOHN: this address failed! >From: Robin Carpenter <ANALYTIX@valley.net> >Subject: JC's 1732 Will >Cc: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > >Hi John: > Thanks for the info responding to my posting re John's 1738 Will. Not surprisingly, your additional info prompts me to several further comments and questions. These are all matters of detail, and describing it all may seem tedious...but I'm hoping that with specificity it'll be "easier" to follow the earlier mentions etc. Here goes: > 1. Interesting that your birth dates table shown under "Family #518" pretty nearly follows my interpretation (from the will) of birth sequence of John #24's children. The only major exception is my interpretation would put Solomon up at #2 position. I note that you have Solomon's birth range "1690/1712." I have seen assertions of this Solomon as one of the earliest settlers of Goshen; in such case he would be an adult by 1714, or 1720 at the latest. Wouldn't this make Solomon's latest plausible birth year would be 1693, or maybe 1699. Of course, this revised boundary could still have him halfway down the sequence of John's kids--just as your table has it. > 2. Who is the "John" shown in your table as a son of our subject John? > ("3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685/1687") This all new to me, and clearly not mentioned in the Will. One thing that is not at all ambiguous in the Will is that there are exactly 9 offspring. > 3. Re that same table overall, where do the birth dates come from? (Is all this table from the "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" that is cited in the short paragraph just above the table, or "Colonial Families," or some other source?) > 4. Regarding that same paragraph(*), can you interpret the info for me? (*)--"PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) & MARY RHODES?, DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. SEE: Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith." I get the part of John's b and d dates, and I get that someone (who?) believes but is unsure wife Mary was a Rhodes. But I don't understand what is "DAU JOHN." Also, does the reference to "Colonial Families..." mean that the author of "New England Marriages..." refers to "Colonial Families..." or is Colonial Familes a side note added in your synopsis? > 5. The summary paragraph describing the 1732 Will should include mention of Joseph. He is cited in the Will three times. > 6. Of course you are right in that it is "still in question" as to which of John's wives was mother to which of the offspring. Still in question today, and probably to will remain in question forever. So my interpretation of maternity from the Will is necessarily subjective and (most assuredly) unauthoritative. > But just to be a gadfly about my interpretation, I note that the birthdates given in your table of "Family #518" have daughter Mary (b. "Abt 1692") the first of the girls and before Nehemiah. Given that John's 2nd wife was named Mary, this small item would seem at least a tiny hint that dau Mary was a child of mother Mary. And if so, then all the other girls, too. And tying back to my earlier interpretation of the Will, note that there are three separate citations of "Joseph Increase & Nehemiah." All three citations are (a) exactly in that order, (b) inheriting shares equal to each other, (c) twice cited in same breath with the sisters, and (d) never mentioned together with or sharing items regarding John and Solomon. To me, that's a scenario of high (albeit unproven) liklihood that these 6 children were born to Mary, with John and Solomon born to Abigail. (Are you persuaded of the liklihood, or no?) > 7. Finally, I am surprised to learn of a known and published marriage between John Carpenter and Mary Rhodes, Feb 9, 1680. "Surprised" only because I would have expected a known and published marriage to have appeared in works of ABC, RGC, and whoever authored "Ancestors & Descendants of Col Solomon Carpenter." (Who did author that?). Well, I've been surprised by facts before, and I'll be surprised again. But what's the source of this John/Mary marriage info? > Sorry to go on at such length. Look forward to hearing back. > Robin C. >

Hi Charlie: Combing through old files, I find your message from back in August, citing Daniel Hoogland Carpenter's "Carpenter Family in America." You report Page 168 refers to Robert Carpenter, son of Abel, born probably in NYC about 1785; wife unknown; children Richard F., Carman R., John Reeve, Elizabeth. I can scarcely imagine how I failed to hop on this info immediately. But here I am, following-up at last. First, ANY Carman Carpenter has to be a hot candidate for my search; second, one son of "my" Carman Carpenter (Orange County NY, c1750-1811) married Abigail Reeve(s). Thus, finding a CARMAN/CARPENTER/REEVE juxtaposition is quite invigorating! So I'm really eager to learn more about this line. (Is it part of your own line?). I do not have DHC's book. What else does it give about any of the above-named? Abel's parentage? Siblings of Abel or Robert? Spouses or offspring, or locations of the kids? Facts, clues, surmise...are all welcome. Are Robert or Abel cited in any other Carpenter genealogies? Is Carman R. Carpenter cited in any Carman genealogies? Robin C.

Hi John: Thanks for the info responding to my posting re John's 1738 Will. Not surprisingly, your additional info prompts me to several further comments and questions. These are all matters of detail, and describing it all may seem tedious...but I'm hoping that with specificity it'll be "easier" to follow the earlier mentions etc. Here goes: 1. Interesting that your birth dates table shown under "Family #518" pretty nearly follows my interpretation (from the will) of birth sequence of John #24's children. The only major exception is my interpretation would put Solomon up at #2 position. I note that you have Solomon's birth range "1690/1712." I have seen assertions of this Solomon as one of the earliest settlers of Goshen; in such case he would be an adult by 1714, or 1720 at the latest. Wouldn't this make Solomon's latest plausible birth year would be 1693, or maybe 1699. Of course, this revised boundary could still have him halfway down the sequence of John's kids--just as your table has it. 2. Who is the "John" shown in your table as a son of our subject John? ("3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685/1687") This all new to me, and clearly not mentioned in the Will. One thing that is not at all ambiguous in the Will is that there are exactly 9 offspring. 3. Re that same table overall, where do the birth dates come from? (Is all this table from the "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" that is cited in the short paragraph just above the table, or "Colonial Families," or some other source?) 4. Regarding that same paragraph(*), can you interpret the info for me? (*)--"PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) & MARY RHODES?, DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. SEE: Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith." I get the part of John's b and d dates, and I get that someone (who?) believes but is unsure wife Mary was a Rhodes. But I don't understand what is "DAU JOHN." Also, does the reference to "Colonial Families..." mean that the author of "New England Marriages..." refers to "Colonial Families..." or is Colonial Familes a side note added in your synopsis? 5. The summary paragraph describing the 1732 Will should include mention of Joseph. He is cited in the Will three times. 6. Of course you are right in that it is "still in question" as to which of John's wives was mother to which of the offspring. Still in question today, and probably to will remain in question forever. So my interpretation of maternity from the Will is necessarily subjective and (most assuredly) unauthoritative. But just to be a gadfly about my interpretation, I note that the birthdates given in your table of "Family #518" have daughter Mary (b. "Abt 1692") the first of the girls and before Nehemiah. Given that John's 2nd wife was named Mary, this small item would seem at least a tiny hint that dau Mary was a child of mother Mary. And if so, then all the other girls, too. And tying back to my earlier interpretation of the Will, note that there are three separate citations of "Joseph Increase & Nehemiah." All three citations are (a) exactly in that order, (b) inheriting shares equal to each other, (c) twice cited in same breath with the sisters, and (d) never mentioned together with or sharing items regarding John and Solomon. To me, that's a scenario of high (albeit unproven) liklihood that these 6 children were born to Mary, with John and Solomon born to Abigail. (Are you persuaded of the liklihood, or no?) 7. Finally, I am surprised to learn of a known and published marriage between John Carpenter and Mary Rhodes, Feb 9, 1680. "Surprised" only because I would have expected a known and published marriage to have appeared in works of ABC, RGC, and whoever authored "Ancestors & Descendants of Col Solomon Carpenter." (Who did author that?). Well, I've been surprised by facts before, and I'll be surprised again. But what's the source of this John/Mary marriage info? Sorry to go on at such length. Look forward to hearing back. Robin C.

Dear Stefani, Paul Mowrey was charging $35.00 for the copies he has left in 1998. If he has no copies left over, please let me know. I can make a photcopy for you with his permission. He is not on line. Paul Thomas Mowrey 4489 Dover - Zoar Road NE Dover, OH 44622-7939 John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA SEvans50@aol.com wrote: > > Where can I get the following book, which was cited in a recent posting to > the list? > Stefani Evans > > UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH > >ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF > >JOSEPH > >CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION. > >BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. > >PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997. > >BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. See father's notes on this Joseph's trial and > >escape.

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/MAGGIE_OHIO-L/1999-07/msg00177.html 1825 Guernsey Co. Tax list has Joseph Carpenter Sr. and Jr. CARPENTER, James to BENNINGFIELD, Doshia, she gave her own cons, 5 Jan 1819 CARPENTER, John to OWLEY, Sarah, her m, Esther gave cons, 6 Nov 1819 CARPENTER, Joseph to OWLEY, Nancy, her m, Elizabeth gave cons, 26 Aug 1823 CARPENTER, Moses to WHITE, Rebecca, her f, Andrew gave cons, 25 Jan 1824 CARPENTER, Nathaniel to WHITE, Nancy, her f, James gave cons, 30 Mar 1820 CARPENTER, Nathaniel to HELM, Pheba, 13 Jun 1833 <A HREF="http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KYGREEN-L/1999-06/msg00003.html">KYGREEN-L: (raque@bellsouth.net/[KYGREEN-L] GREEN CO MARRIAGES - BOOK B - Canno</A>

>MzCortez@aol.com wrote: >> >> Dear Folks, >> >> This is a Joseph Carpenter from Oyster Bay, LI. >> >1) PROBABLY THIS FAMILY: > +---�Joseph C. CARPENTER Sr.-5312 >Joseph CARPENTER Jr.-5326 � �Abt 1693 >Abt 1710/1720 --------------� �Musketa Cove,Oyster Bay,Queens,LI >Musketa Cove,LI,New York Colony � MRIN:1747 > --SPOUSE-- MRIN:1744 +---�Frances Elizabeth DAMES-19886 >Leah-5327 �Abt 1695 >Abt 1720/1727 �,,NY >of,,VA >(There are other marriages) > --CHILDREN-- > 1-Mary CARPENTER-31361 Mary CARPENTER married Robert VIORS in Botetourt Co. Va, 1/7/1785.. They moved to Kentucky in 1800 and bought a farm in Mason/Lewis County in 1802. They had five sons, four daughters. I am descended from their son John. Both of them are buried on the farm where they lived on Quicks Run Road, in Lewis County, Ky. The family name eventually mutated to VOIERS. > 2-Sarah CARPENTER-31362 > 3-Judith CARPENTER-31363 > 4-Marthew CARPENTER-31364 > 5-Samuel CARPENTER-31365 > 6-William CARPENTER-31366 <snip> >!WILL: Will dated 21 Jan. 1792, proved July 1792. Wife listed as Leah. >Joseph Carpenter served in Captian Dickenson's company in part of the >French and Indian Wars, heir John, son of Thomas. >A Patriot, he served in Captain John Lewis's Company of Botetourt >County, Virginia Militia in 1774. Children with which mother is >uncertain. >See: Virginia Frontier by Kegley, page 273. >CHILDREN: Did not have a Matthew but Marthew, a female! >!BOOK: See page 36 #2 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book >information below: >UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH >ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF >JOSEPH >CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION. >BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. >PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997. >BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. See father's notes on this Joseph's trial and >escape. > >2) or... > >INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:19904 > >!Number 39 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. >Carpenter, 1901. >BIRTH: 15 Sept. or 25 Mar. 1705. >See: Journal of Robert Coles, p. 200 (in the collection of the New York >Genealogical and Biographical Society, Manhattan, NY) It has >15 Sept. 1705 with a corrected date of "March 25". >See: Wills of Ulster county, NY; and Howland Delano Perrine, The Wright >Family of Oysterbay, Long Island (New York, NY, 1923). >See: St. George's Church Records of Hempstead, Queens county, LI, NY >regarding marriage. >DEATH: 1766 in Lattingtown, near Musketa Cove, is a Memorial Stone >reading: Joseph Carpenter / The First Settler in This Place, And / The >Planter of This Orchard, / Died July 1st, 1766 / Aged 61 YRS, 3 mMO & 6 >DAYS. >end > >> >> 3. The names of his children? >> SEE ABOVE X2 > >> 1753 ULSTER COUNTY DEED TO BENJAMIN STANTON, &tc. >> (Ulster County, NY, EE/431) >> A True Copy Compared and Examined the 8th Day of January 1757 ? John >> Crooke..Clerk >> >> This Indenture made this...day of January in the year of our lord one >> thousand seven Hundred & fifty three Between Henry Lane of the city of >> newyork/merchant and Rachel his wife of the one part and Joseph Carpenter, >> Benjamen Stanten, John Caverly and John Latting all of Oyster Bay upon Long >> Isand in the province of New york of the other part Wittnesseth that they the >> said Henry Lane and Rachel his wife for and in consideration of the sum of >> Five hundred pounds current money of the province of New York <A >> HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6173/mystanton.html">George >> Stanton of Sullivan Co., NY10/99</A> >> >> Phoebe in CA >George R. Carpenter >> >> Cornel University web site on line.. ALOT OF GOOD STUFF for NY AREA... >it is a >> MUST to look .... Kings County, NY, City Directory and Gazattes and many >MORE!!! >> >> http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/MOA/Browseb.html >> >> HAVE fun searching... >> >> Debbe A. Hagner >!Number 24 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 50. >Family is number 13 on page 61. He resided at Jamaica, LI. >His will was dated 10 Jun 1732 and proved 30 Jul 1732. His will names >his wife Mary, sons Nehemiah, John and Solomon of Goshen to whom he >gives his musket, sword, etc. Daughters Mary, Hannah, Susanna, and >Phebe. Also mentioned was Increase who with Nehemiah were executors to >the will of their father. >He took the oath as Captain of Troops, Nov. 22, 1703 at Jamaica. >Of Huntington, RI. > >!PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) & MARY >RHODES?), DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. >SEE: Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith. >end > > FAMILY NUMBER:518 > > CHILD BR/CH > ----- ----- > 1. John CARPENTER-4736 Abt 1681/1682 > 2. Joseph CARPENTER-4737 Abt 1683/1685 > 3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685 > 4. Increase CARPENTER-3622 1685/1687 > 5. Solomon CARPENTER Col.-4738 1690/1712 > 6. Mary CARPENTER-4739 Abt 1692 > 7. Hannah CARPENTER-4740 Abt 1694 > 8. Nehemiah CARPENTER-4741 Abt 1697 > 9. Susanna CARPENTER-4742 Abt 1699 > 10. Phoebe OR Phebe CARPENTER-4743 16 Mar 1700 > > >Robin Carpenter wrote: >> >> I finally received from the NYS Archives a photocopy of John Carpenter's >> 1732 will (Jamaica LI NY). [This is John #24 in Carpenter Memorial, >> 1658-1732.] The copy quality of the will is very bad--so bad that the state >> declined to cash my check--and a number of words are undecipherable. >> This will was abstracted in the NY Gen & Biog Record, Vol 65 p.38, >> transcript of which abstract I have from "The Ancestry & Descendant of Col. >> Solomon Carpenter of Goshen NY" of 1974. I'm sure the abstract has appeared >> elsewhere as well. >> Overall, the abstract is a pretty good representation of the will >> (although it omits all the introductory pieties). My interest in seeing the >> actual will was to clarify a confusion over the number and sequence of >> John's sons. The abstract refers to sons Nehemiah, John of Goshen, Solomon >> of Goshen, Joseph, Increase, Nehemiah (again). The abstract THEN >> paraphrases the will's reference to "my three sons." HUH? Is it three sons >> (reference), five (name count), or conceiveably six (if there were two >> Nehemiahs)? >> The will makes it all pretty clear. One item bequeaths to wife (Mary) >> and son Nehemiah. Another item bequeaths to son "John Carpenter belonging >> to Goshen." Another item bequeaths to "Solomon Carpenter belonging to >> Goshen." Then an item bequeaths "...unto three sons Joseph Increase & >> Nehemiah Carpenter after the end of my Wifes Widdowhood all my meadow lying >> on Nether East Neck and my lot of land lying down(?) the Neck joining to the >> land of Jeremiah Denton to be equally divided between them to them and their >> heirs and assigns forever." >> (The will literally says "Item" initiating each bequeathal statement >> separately.) >> Later reference is made to "...equal charge with my three sons Joseph >> Increase & Nehemiah in sharing(?) my building as long as my Wife & I shall >> live." Finally, after the homestead is (later) to be sold, there is >> reference to "...my three sons and four daughters Joseph Increase & Nehemiah >> & Mary Hannah Susanna & Phebe..." to split the proceeds equally. >> Very clearly there are five sons. Almost as clearly, John and Solomon >> are eldest and gone off on their own. Finally, the sequence of the three >> youngest sons is pretty surely Joseph-Increase-Nehemiah. (The sequence in >> ABC's Carpenter Memorial has Nehemiah first--which I would guess is because >> he is named first in John's Item #1, as described above, but which sequence >> I conclude is plainly wrong.) >> Genealogist Raymond George Carpenter says that John #24 was married >> twice, 1st to Abigail Rhodes and 2nd to Mary who is named in the will. John >> is 74 yrs old at his death, with one daughter (Hannah) who is unmarried >> although there are two younger sisters, and with three sons living at home. >> Presumably they are all young adults. It adds up, in my view, to wife Mary >> likely being the mother of these offspring, and Abigail Rhodes the mother of >> John & Solomon of Goshen. >> Does anyone wish to concur with me in this? >> Robin C. > Sue Bishop

> > John, > > I appreciate your help. Listed below is the only information I have on > > Henry Carpenter: > > > > Henry Carpenter was born in approximately 1863. His father's name was > > Robert Carpenter, mother's name unknown. > > Henry married Anne Newport on January 18th, 1887 in the District of > > Highworth (County of Wills or Hills??). > > Anne Newport (born approximately in 1862) was the daughter of William > > Newport & Ann Smith. Anne also had > > a sister named Hannah Newport. > > On the marriage certificate for Henry and Anne, Henry put his residence at > > the time of his marriage as Wroughson (sp?). > > Also, on the marriage certificate Henry shows his father as deceased at > that > > time. > > The only other document I posses is Henry's immigration papers to the U.S. > > dated July 27th, 1892, which he wrote that he was a native of Swindon in > > Wiltshire, England. > > > > Any information you may have would be a big help. Thanks again. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001@home.com> > > To: Todd Carpenter <toddacarpenter@dellnet.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:57 AM > > Subject: Re: Henry Carpenter > > > > > > > Dear Todd, > > > > > > It may be a long shot but the attached file has a Henry Carpenter that > > > may fit. > > > > > > He is the grandson of Henry Carpenter-41929. > > > > > > +---¦Thomas CARPENTER-41907 > > > Henry CARPENTER-41929 ¦ ¦25 Jan 1761 > > > 28 Mar 1790 --------------¦ ¦Calne,Wiltshire,England > > > Bromham,Wiltshire,England ¦ MRIN:14911 > > > --SPOUSE-- MRIN:14918 +---¦Ann TUCKER-41908 > > > Frances FLOWER-41930 ¦Abt 1761 > > > Abt 1790 ¦of,Wiltshire,England > > > of Bromham,Wiltshire,England > > > > > > If you have anymore information on his family (for name comparison) or > > > where in Wiltshire he was from, it would help. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > John R. Carpenter > > > La Mesa, CA > > > > > > Todd Carpenter wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm trying to track the genealogy of my great grandfather Henry > > Carpenter who > > > > emigrated from Wiltshire, England approximately July of 1892 at the > age > > of > > > > 30. He was married to Anne Newport on January 18th, 1887. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! > > > > Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account > > today: > > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---- > > > > > > > Descendants of Henry CARPENTER-41929 > > > > > > First Generation > > > > > > 1. Henry CARPENTER-41929 was christened 28 Mar 1790 in Bromham, > Wiltshire, > > England. was buried 25 Jan 1862 in Bromham, Wiltshire, England. > > > !Name noted as "Harry" in burial register, aged 73. > > > His occupation was a Cordwainer/shoemaker. > > > Henry married (1-MRIN:14918) Frances FLOWER-41930 on 31 Mar 1812 in > > Bromham, Wiltshire, England. Frances was christened about 1790 in of > > Bromham, Wiltshire, England. > > > They had the following children: > > > 2 F i. Annetta CARPENTER-41939 was christened 28 Feb 1813 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > 3 F ii. Lucy CARPENTER-41940 was christened 12 Sep 1814 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > 4 F iii. Frances CARPENTER-41941 was christened 11 Aug 1816 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > 5 M iv. William CARPENTER-41942 was christened 5 Jul 1818 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > 6 M v. Henry CARPENTER-41943 was christened 29 Dec 1822 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > 7 M vi. John Flowers CARPENTER-41944 was christened 5 Jun 1825 in > Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > + 8 M vii. Joseph George Jeffery CARPENTER-41945 was christened 3 Feb > > 1828. > > > 9 F viii. Mary Ann CARPENTER-41946 was christened 17 Apr 1831 in > Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. was buried 10 Oct 1857 in Bromham, Wiltshire, England. > > > Died aged 26. No spouse listed. > > > 10 ix. Alfred CARPENTER-41947 was christened 19 May 1833 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > 11 F x. Louisa CARPENTER-41948 was christened 27 Sep 1835 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Generation > > > > > > 8. Joseph George Jeffery CARPENTER-41945 was christened 3 Feb 1828 in > > Bromham, Wiltshire, England. > > > !He was a cooper. Resident of St. Michael's, Bristol in 1853. > > > Marriage Certificate did not give ages, other than both were "of full > > age." > > > Joseph married (1-MRIN:14921) Sarah RUDDLE-41949, daughter of Robert > > RUDDLE-41950 (MRIN:14922) on 16 Jul 1853 in Chippenham, Parish Church, > > Wiltshire, England. Sarah was christened about 1831 in of Barley Close, or > > Chippenham, Wiltshire, England. > > > They had the following children: > > > 12 M i. Henry CARPENTER-41951 was christened about 1853/1863 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. > > > Maybe child of previous or later marriage? > > > + 13 M ii. William John CARPENTER-41952 was christened 11 May 1854 and > > died 1946. > > > 14 M iii. Joseph George CARPENTER-41953 was christened about 1856 in > > Bromham, Wiltshire, England. > > > 15 M iv. Isaac CARPENTER-41954 was christened about Nov 1857 in Bromham, > > Wiltshire, England. was buried 15 Feb 1858 in Bromham, Wiltshire, England. > > > Probably is child of this family. "Aged 3 months" & "son of Joseph & > > Sarah." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third Generation > > > > > > 13. William John CARPENTER-41952 was christened 11 May 1854 in St. > > Michael's, Churchyard, Bristol, England. He died 1946 in Coombe Martin, > > Devon, England. > > > !William died in the Old People's Home in Coombe Martin, Devon. > > > All of William's children married and had children. > > > !MARRIAGE: Entires from Marriage sections of General Registry Office > > indexes at Family Records Centre, London (formerly housed at St. > Catherine's > > House): All dates have a marriage for a William John Carpenter followed by > > City and a volumne and page number: > > > Dec. 1877 Woolwich Vol. 1d Page 1458. > > > Dec. 1876 Woolwich Vol. 1d Page 1486. > > > Jun. 1880 Godstone Vol. 2a Page 243 (Surrey). > > > Dec. 1880 Holburn Vol. 1b Page 1089. > > > Dec. 1880 St. Thomas Vol. 5b Page 124. > > > Dec. 1881 St. Olave Vol. 1d Page 497. > > > All are parts of London except Godstone which is in Surrey. > > > Dec. 1881 is probably the correct entry, but is not confirmed. Tim > > Stephens in a letter dated 28 Nov. 1998. > > > William married (1-MRIN:14923) Elizabeth Julia BAKER-41955 about 1880 in > > England. Elizabeth was christened about 16 Apr 1860/1870 in England. She > > died Aug 1925 in England. > > > Birth date lists year as 1870, but 1860 may be more correct based on > > childrens ages. > > > > > > William and Elizabeth had the following children: > > > + 16 M i. William Enos CARPENTER-41956 was christened about 1881. > > > + 17 M ii. Henry CARPENTER-41957 was christened about 1883. > > > + 18 M iii. Alfred Joseph CARPENTER-41958 was christened about > 1885/1886. > > > 19 iv. 4 CARPENTER-41959 was christened about 1887 in England. 4 > CARPENTER > > died about 1887 in England. > > > 20 F v. Blanche CARPENTER-41960 was christened 27 Feb 1888 in > Camberwell, > > London, England. was buried 13 Jun 1975 in Honor Oak, Crematorium, > England. > > > Timothy (Tim) Stephens, 8 Christopher Way, Emsworth, Hants., P010 7QZ, > > England indicates in a letter dated 24 Aug. 1997 indicates that he is the > > grandson of Blanche (who went by Lizzie). > > > !RESIDENCE: Blanche lived at Longfield Hall, Knatchbull Road, > Camberwell, > > S. > > > E. 5. Percy lived at Fawnbrake Avenue, S. E. 24 (a little further to > the > > south in London). As husband and wife they went to live at 164 Turney > Road, > > Dulwich, London, S. E. 21. > > > Blanche married (1-MRIN:14924) Percy Albert GILES-41961, son of > > GILES-41966 and Martha HODGSON-41971 (MRIN:14930) on 1922 in Herne Hill, > > London, England. Percy was christened about 1888 in England. He died 1982 > in > > England. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth Generation > > > > > > 16. William Enos CARPENTER-41956 was christened about 1881 in England. > > > Aka: "Will." > > > William married (1-MRIN:14927) Sarah OR Sally-41964 about 1901 in > England. > > Sarah was christened about 1881 in England. > > > Went by Sally by her given name was Sarah. > > > > > > William and Sarah had the following children: > > > 21 F i. Margery CARPENTER-41979 was christened about 1901/1905 in > England. > > > She lived with Percy Giles for a while after his wife's (Blanche) death > in > > 1975, in Dulwich, London as did her husband Albert (until his death. > > > Margery married (1-MRIN:14934) Albert GAUTREY-41980 about 1926 in > England. > > Albert was christened about 1901/1905 in England. > > > > > > > > > > > > 17. Henry CARPENTER-41957 was christened about 1883 in England. > > > !Aka: "Harry." > > > He had served in the Royal Flying Corps, but not as a flyer. Stated to > > have had made a "propellor clock", which was still working well in 1998. > > Per Timothy N. Stephens. Timothy also states a group photo still exists > of > > his grandparents Percy and Blanche (Carpenter) Giles which includes > "Harry." > > > Henry married (1-MRIN:14926) Lillian HARRIS-41963 about 1905 in England. > > Lillian was christened about 1883 in England. > > > Aka: "Lil." > > > > > > Henry and Lillian had the following children: > > > 22 F i. Lily CARPENTER-41973 was born about 1903/1909 in England. She > died > > 1986 in England. > > > Eldest daughter. Age unknown. > > > Lily married (1-MRIN:14931) Harry EMERY-41974. Harry was born about 1903 > > in England. > > > 23 F ii. Doris CARPENTER-41972 was born about 1914 in England. > > > Youngest daughter. Age unknown. She was later a milliner. > > > > > > > > > > > > 18. Alfred Joseph CARPENTER-41958 was christened about 1885/1886 in > > England. > > > He was a Architect & Surveyor. He was sometimes caled "Alf." > > > Alfred married (1-MRIN:14925) Emma Jane WILMOTT-41962, daughter of G. A. > > WILMOTT-41978 (MRIN:14933) about 1911 in England. Emma was christened > about > > 1886 in England. > > > They had the following children: > > > 24 M i. John Frederick CARPENTER-41982 was born 1910 in England. He died > > 1997 in England and was buried 1997 in Worthing, West Sussex, England. > > > 25 F ii. Helen Muriel CARPENTER-41981 was born 1913 in England. She died > > 1994 in England. > > > > > > > > > > > > Index > > > > > > Name ID Generation > > > , Sarah OR Sally 16S 4 > > > BAKER, Elizabeth Julia 13S 3 > > > CARPENTER, 4 19 4 > > > CARPENTER, Alfred 10 2 > > > CARPENTER, Alfred Joseph 18 4 > > > CARPENTER, Annetta 2 2 > > > CARPENTER, Blanche 20 4 > > > CARPENTER, Doris 23 5 > > > CARPENTER, Frances 4 2 > > > CARPENTER, Helen Muriel 25 5 > > > CARPENTER, Henry 1 1 > > > CARPENTER, Henry 6 2 > > > CARPENTER, Henry 12 3 > > > CARPENTER, Henry 17 4 > > > CARPENTER, Isaac 15 3 > > > CARPENTER, John Flowers 7 2 > > > CARPENTER, John Frederick 24 5 > > > CARPENTER, Joseph George Jeffery 8 2 > > > CARPENTER, Joseph George 14 3 > > > CARPENTER, Lily 22 5 > > > CARPENTER, Louisa 11 2 > > > CARPENTER, Lucy 3 2 > > > CARPENTER, Margery 21 5 > > > CARPENTER, Mary Ann 9 2 > > > CARPENTER, William 5 2 > > > CARPENTER, William Enos 16 4 > > > CARPENTER, William John 13 3 > > > EMERY, Harry 22S 5 > > > FLOWER, Frances 1S 1 > > > GAUTREY, Albert 21S 5 > > > GILES, Percy Albert 20S 4 > > > HARRIS, Lillian 17S 4 > > > RUDDLE, Sarah 8S 2 > > > WILMOTT, Emma Jane 18S 4 > > > > > >

1860 US Census Mortality Schedules MORRIS COUNTY - NEW JERSEY Based on what was provided in the columns on the mortality schedule, the following information is included: name, age, color other than white, slave or free, marital status, birthplace if other than New Jersey, month of death, and occupation. Sex has been omitted unless the given name leaves some doubt. The persons listed are supposed to have died during the year ending 1 June 1860 putting the months June through December in 1859 and January through May in 1860. Information that was questionable has been noted. Chatham Township (Linn?), Clifford, 4, d. May Baker, Frederick, 3/12, d. Nov. Baldwin, Daniel M., 3, d. Mar. Baldwin, John N., 15, d. Mar., labor(er) Carr, Ida E., 3, d. Mar. Cornwell, Sarah (E), 17, b. NY, d. Mar., house work Day, Israel, 10/12, b. Ohio, d. Apr. Day, Mary, 37, wid., d. Aug., house work Day, Samuel, 6/12, d. Mar. Dunn, John, 6/12, d. Apr. Griffith, William, 1/12, d. July Hedges, Frank E., 1, d. May Jackson, [blank], 30, b. Germany d. Sep., lumber Kenedy, Patrick, 24, b. Ireland, d. Dec., labor(er) Lawrence, Jane, 60, free, mulatto, wid., d. March, house work Loapman, Stephen E., 3/12, b. NY, d. Sep. McDermit, Mary, 3, d. July Osborn, Isabella, 24, m., d. Mar. Parsons, Eliza, 54, m., d, May, house work Phipps, Frances, 1, d. Dec. Sturges, William, 3/12, d. Aug. Tucker, Sharlene M., 35, m., b. NY, d. May, house work Tuttle, Amelia C., 47, m., b. NY, d. Dec., lady Walton, James C., 15, d. Apr Chester Township Amit, Phebe W., 32, m., d. Apr. Case, James, 66, m., d. Jan., Day labour(er) Chamberlin, Theo., 9/12, d. May Chamberlin. Sarah E., 3, d. Sep. Crater, Anna, 3, d. Apr. Crater, Maryett, 38, m., d. Feb. Emmans, Hatty A. (Hetty Ann), 41, m., d. Jan. Kelsey, William C., 23, d. Sep., M.D. Lindaberry, Theodore, 4/12, d. May Maninus, Frederick, m., 44, d. Sep., farmer Pickle, William, 6/12, d. Mar. Seal, Obadia L., 3, d. July Skellinger, Mary, 54, m., d. Apr. Swaysee, George, 2, d. Apr. Wortman, Jacob M., m., 44, d. Nov., farmer Yauger, Emily, 9/12, d. Sep. Hanover Township Allen, Elizabeth, 60, d. Aug. Baker, Louis, 66, wid., d. May, painter Ball, Ann L., 1, d. Mar. Bedell, Sarah, 70, d. Dec. Benjamin, Caroline, 3/12, d. Aug. Beshler, James J., 55, wid., d. Feb. Burnett, Elizabeth, 24, d. July Cline, Jacob, 61, d. Sep. Conklin, John, 22, b. England, d. Mar., painter Conklin, Mary, 60, wid., b. England, d. Jan. Conklin, Michael, 2, d. May Coughlin, John, 25, b. Ireland, d. Oct. Farrand, John W., 2, d. Mar. Ferry, Peter, 60, wid., d. June Fling, Michael, 70, wid., b. Ireland, d. Sep. Furgason, Mary, 50, b. Ireland, d. Jan. Gray, Jonathan, 55, d. Nov. Green, Ann M., 17, d. Sep. Griffith, Andrew J., 25, d. Mar. Jacobus, Jane, 65, wid., d. Nov. Johnson, Jane, 70, wid., d. Feb. Kitchel, Marcus H., 12, black, d. Feb. Larison, Jacob, 78, wid., d. October McCarn, Elizabeth, 70, b. Ireland, d. Jan. McCullock, Joseph, 2, d. Oct. McGrath, Morris, 1, d. Sep. McIntire, William, 75, wid., b. Rhode Island, d. January Miller, Mary A., 23, d. Feb., mantua maker Mills, Daniel, 1, d. Oct. Minton, Emly E., 51, female, wid., d. Oct. Minton, Joseph J., 55, m., b. Vermont, d. Apr., farmer Morisey, Stephen, 1, d. Mar. Murphy, James, 71, m., b, Ireland, d. Feb. Oliver, Amos, 85, black, wid., d. Apr., day laborer Oliver, George, 7, d. Sep. Osborn, Rachel, 75, wid., d. May Reed, James, 2, d. Feb. Romine, Mariah, 73, wid., b. New York City, d. Oct. Syms, Harry M., 27, d. Aug. Tensh, Frances A., 9/12, d. Oct. Terry, Mary E, 2, d. Apr. Tharp, David B., 30, d. Nov. Tuttle, Sarah T., 3, d. Mar. VanBlarcom, Sarah, 80. d. Dec. Wingas, Frances M., 3/12, d. Aug. Witmore, Hannah, 35, m., d. Jan. Wright, Chileon, 27, black, d. June, laborer Jefferson Township Allen, John, 2, d. Jan. Beny, Lot, 75, m., d. Aug., farmer Brach, William, 50, wid., d. Mar., forgeman Callahan, Jas. C., 3/12, d. Feb. Connelly, James, 14, d. May, mining Davenport, Elizabeth, 80, m., d. Jan, domestic Davenport, John 0., 63, m., d. Oct., farmer Davenport, Solomon, 70, m., d. Mar., farmer Dickeson, Marian, 16, d. May, student Estill, Jas. C., 35, m., d. June, clerk Henderson, Sarah A., (30?), m., d. May, domestic Jennings, Hily, 86, female, d. Nov., domestic Kimball, Jacob, 60, m., d. Mar., farmer Lawrence, Rebecca, 52, m., d. Apr., domestic Martin, James, 35, wid., b. England, d. Sep. miner Moore, Jacob, 27, d. Sep., laborer Moore, William, 36, m., b. Ireland, d. Jan., mining Patterson, Jane, 25, m., d, Aug., domestic Strait, Catharine, 77, wid., d. Nov., domestic Talmadge, Nancy, 2/12 d. Mar. VanOver, Sarah, 68, wid., d. Sep., domestic Mendham Township Baird, William, 37, m., d. Apr., farmer Blackford, Emma T., 5, d. Apr. Blackford, Mary M., 39, m., d. June Burnet, Mary L., 1, d. Mar. Day, Eugene E, 6, d. Mar. Dixon, John, 83, m., b. Ireland, d. May, farmer Guerin, Richard, 80, m., d. Oct., farmer Losey, Harriet, 48, m., b. NY, d. June McMurtry, John, 72, d., June, farmer Norris, Minnie C., 2, d. Sep. Perry, Charlotte, 19, black, d. Mar., servant Pierson, Elias H., 44, m., d. Apr., farmer Rutan, Emma E, 22, d. May, milliner Savage, Charles W., 4/12, d. Dec. Smith, Richard S., 85, m., b. NY, d. Nov., farmer Sutton, Anna, 1, d. Mar. Sutton, Martha, 68, wid., b. Conn., h. Aug. Tompkins, Josephine, 8/12, d. May VanDyke, Abraham, 30, d. Apr. Woodruff, Theo. E, 15, d. Apr. Morris Township (Donelon?), Timothy, 3, d. June (Engsmith?), Frederick, 10, b. Prussia, d. Jan. (Vanguisin?), Henry H., 4, d. Jan (Westhampen?), Lewis A., 3, d. Nov. Aber, George H., 4, d. Jan. Acker, George, 39, b. NY, d. Mar., laborer Arnold, Nathan, 76, d. July, farmer Babbit, Joseph S., 2 1/2, d. Jan. Bailey, Francis G., 1, d. Aug. Bailey, John, 6, d. Apr. Baxter, Alice, 80, b. Ireland, d. Nov. Bcntly, William N., 2/12, d. Jan. Bedell, Phebe E., 26, d. Feb. Bedford, Augusta, 1, d. Aug. Berry, John A., 73, wid., d. Aug., machinist Bidell, Catharine A., 27, d. Feb. Bird, Joseph, 9, d. Sep. Bomar, Walter, 8, d. Mar. Bomar, William E, 13, d. Mar. Burns, Sarah L., 8/12, d. Apr. Burt, John, 54, m., d. Feb., cordwainer Canfield, Isaac W., 67, d. Jan., M.D. Coe, Emma E, 9, d. Mar. Cook, Charles, 7, d. Oct. Cook, Rhoda, 25, d. Aug. Cook, Susan, 20, d. Aug. Cooper, Walter A., 2, d. Sep. Cordy, Catharine, 1, d. Nov. Crane, Agnes, 2/12, d. Feb. Crane, Jane E, 4, d. Jan. Crane, Sarah E., 3, d. Jan. Crane, Silas D., 7, d. Jan. Crater, Lizzie A., 2, d. Apr. Dalrumple, Chas. W., 2/12, d. July Dempsey, Catharine, 33, b. Ireland, d. May, servant Doyle, Anne S., 1, d. Feb. Drake, Lucretia, 31, m., d. Mar. Dunn, George, 9, d. Mar. Ensly, David S., 40, m., b. NY, d. Sep., farmer Fairchild, John C., 2, d. Feb. Freeman, John R., 75, m., d. Nov., farmer Gillard, James, 84, b. Ireland, d. Mar. Goble, Hannah, 80, d. Mar. Goble, Harriet A., 28, d. Feb. Gregory, Chas. H., 6/12, d. Feb. Halliday, Chas. H., 7, d. Dec. Halliday, George 0., 5, d. Dec. Halsey, Mary A., 60, d. May Heath, Mary C., 11/12, d. Jan. Kinney, Ellen, 2, d. June Lanagan, Mary A., 1, d. Nov. Lange, Augusta, 1, d. Sep. Lee, Sylvaneus, 3, d. May Lewis, Susan A., 6, d. Apr. Lindsly, Hettie H., 60, d. Nov. Lounsberry, Sarah, 7/12, b. Canada, d. Apr. Ludlow, Malinda, 7/12, black, d. Oct. Ludlow, Matilda, 7/12, black, d. Sep. Marvin, Henrietta, 74, m., d. Jan. Mattox, Isaac P., 19, d. Aug., carpenter Mattox, Mary, 3, d. Feb. McDonald, Ananias, 2/12, b. NY, d. Feb. McGouen, John, 73, m., b. Ireland, d. May, cooper Messler, Benjamin, 61, d. Dec., mason Miller, Catharine, 3, d. Nov. Moody, Mary A., 1, d. Jan. Murphy, John, 2, d. Oct. Nevius, Anna, 2, b. NY, d. Mar. Nevius, Augustus, 10/12, b. NY, d. Mar. Noe, Ellis, (36), d. May Orton, Elizabeth, 8/12, d. Jan. Peacock, George W., 18/12, d. Dec. Peacock, Nancy A., 8, d. Dec. Potts, Fanny G., 3, d. Sep. Pruden, Leman, 24, male, d. Aug., wagon maker Revere, Frances J., 11, b. NY, d. Sep. Roberts, Jeremiah, 12, d. Feb. Robinson, Elisha, 46, b. NY, d. Mar., stock broker Robinson, Julia G., 39, b. NY, d. Apr. Roy, John C., 75, wid., d. Jan., farmer Scott, Isaiah S., 37, d. Apr., farmer Skellenger, David B., 5/12, d. Feb. Smith, Frank R., 1, d. Jan. Tappan, Abraham, 62, d. Dec, farmer Taylor, Willie H., 1 1/2,d. Apr. Totten, Sarah W., 27, d. Dec. Trowbridge, Chileon, 64, d. Mar., laborer Tuttle, Cora E., 1/12, d. Mar. Vail, Mary C., 55, d. Mar. Ward, William B., 30, m., d. Feb., millwright Welsh, Thomas, 35, m., b. Ireland, d. July, laborer Whitehead, Flora, 1/12, d. Nov. Williams, Mary, 60, d. May Wright, Henry S., 26, d. Aug., merchant Pequannock Township Barklow, Peter, 30, b. NY, d. Oct., farm laborer Carpenter, Joseph, 3/12, d. Aug. Carpenter, Michael, 3/12, d. Aug. <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~njmorris/mccensus/1860.htm">1860 Mortality Schedule</A>

I am curious about Increase Carpenter being executor to his father John carpenter's will. Were there two Increase's who were executors? In the Carpenter Memorial, Amos has an Increase Carpenter as executor of his father's will of May,1. 1738, page 50 (note that in the same paragraph about Captain John Carpenter, he has a date for a will proved July 30, 1732) and on page 83 he said Increase Carpenter was executor of his father's will of May 1, 1738. One of the John Carpenters had a wife Mary (Rhodes) and the other had a wife named Ruth Coe and may have been father and son. My questions are--does anyone have a copy of the 1738 will or any information about Increase Carpenter (were there two)? Margaret Cass

I'm trying to track the genealogy of my great grandfather Henry Carpenter who emigrated from Wiltshire, England approximately July of 1892 at the age of 30. He was married to Anne Newport on January 18th, 1887.

Dear Patty, Your Susan Hodsdon CARPENTER born July 19, 1829 Saco, ME may have been the daughter of Isaac Carpenter and a Miss Hodgen as noted on page 811 (Number 8762) of the Carpenter Memorial by Amos B. Carpenter (1898). Variants of Hodsgen are Hodsdon. +---¦Elias CARPENTER-14618 Isaac CARPENTER-14629 ¦ ¦Abt 1790 Abt 1810 -----------¦ ¦Waterboro,,ME ,,ME ¦ --SPOUSE-- MRIN:5207 HODGEN-14632 Abt 1810 no children listed. Luce may be a first name misspelled. But it was definitely the last name of Matthew Hale Carpenter's mother. Matthew Hale Carpenter (below) and Isaac Carpenter (above) are 6th cousins related to captain William Carpenter of Rehoboth. Ira CARPENTER-12445 29 Apr 1798 Moretown,Chittenden,VT --SPOUSE-- MRIN:4371 Esther Ann LUCE-12461 Abt 1798 --CHILDREN-- 1Matthew Hale CARPENTER-12462 2-Anna Amelia CARPENTER-12463 3-Esther Johnson CARPENTER-12464 4Cephas Warner CARPENTER Col.-12465 More than happy to share information. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Patty Holt wrote: > > Hope someone has this info - > > Susan Hodsdon CARPENTER born July 19, 1829 Saco, ME > died Sept. 30, 1913 > Byram Shore, Port Chester, NY at home of son Edgar Lewis Marston > married: Rev Sylvester MARSTON July 19, 1847 of Newfield ME in > the Saco Baptist church by Rev. A Colburn (source:NE Historical and Gen. > Recorder Oct 1836) > > I believe she was daughter of Issac Carpenter and his wife _____Luce > Carpenter of > Vermont. She was related to MATTHEW HALE CARPENTER who became quite > famous in his law practice and moved to Wisconsin. > I have been unable to discover how they are related or any info on > the LUCE line, though there is quite alot on MHC's life. > I have newspaper obit for Susan C. Marston and a lineage for > Sylvester MARSTON. seeking info on their 6 children: > 1849 - Nellie > ?? - Ella > 1854 -Fannie > 1860 - Edgar Lewis, my grt grandfather > 1867 - Benjamin

Dear Robin, I am grateful that you were able to get a copy of Captain John Carpenter Jr.'s 1732 Will, even though it is hard to read. Mary Rhodes married or the marriage was published John Carpenter on 9 Feb 1680. It has been assumed that her sister Abigail was a previous wife of John and probably died in child birth or of disease. No marriage date has been found for Abigail and John. So the question of who was the mother to whom is still in question. Unless firm dates are found on the birth of John's children the question is academic. It is reasonable to assume that maybe one or two at most of the children was from the first wife provided they survived childbirth and or the disease that killed their mother. Below is what I currently have on the family. Thanks for your efforts! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ******************************************************* INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:12521 - ---------------------------------------------- Name:John CARPENTER Jr. Capt. Sex:M ID No:CVG1-1W Birth:Abt 1655/1658 Place:,,CT Chr: Place: Marr: 9 Feb 1680 Spouse:Mary RHODES-1402 Marr:Abt 1678 Spouse:Abigail RHODES-22721 Marr: Spouse: Death:Aft 10 Jun 1732 Place:Jamacia,Queens,LI Burial:Bef 30 Jul 1732 Place:Jamacia,,LI Father:John CARPENTER Capt.-587 Mother:Hannah SMITH-589 Notes ---------------------------------------------------- !Number 24 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 50. Family is number 13 on page 61. He resided at Jamaica, LI. His will was dated 10 Jun 1732 and proved 30 Jul 1732. His will names his wife Mary, sons Nehemiah, John and Solomon of Goshen to whom he gives his musket, sword, etc. Daughters Mary, Hannah, Susanna, and Phebe. Also mentioned was Increase who with Nehemiah were executors to the will of their father. He took the oath as Captain of Troops, Nov. 22, 1703 at Jamaica. Of Huntington, RI. !PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) & MARY RHODES?), DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. SEE: Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith. end FAMILY NUMBER:518 - ---------------------------------------------- Husband:John CARPENTER Jr. Capt.-12521 Br/Ch:Abt 1655/1658 Wife:Mary RHODES-1402 Br/Ch:Abt 1663 - ------------------------------------------------ CHILD BR/CH ----- ----- 1. John CARPENTER-4736 Abt 1681/1682 2. Joseph CARPENTER-4737 Abt 1683/1685 3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685 4. Increase CARPENTER-3622 1685/1687 5. Solomon CARPENTER Col.-4738 1690/1712 6. Mary CARPENTER-4739 Abt 1692 7. Hannah CARPENTER-4740 Abt 1694 8. Nehemiah CARPENTER-4741 Abt 1697 9. Susanna CARPENTER-4742 Abt 1699 10. Phoebe OR Phebe CARPENTER-4743 16 Mar 1700 - -------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************** Robin Carpenter wrote: > > I finally received from the NYS Archives a photocopy of John Carpenter's > 1732 will (Jamaica LI NY). [This is John #24 in Carpenter Memorial, > 1658-1732.] The copy quality of the will is very bad--so bad that the state > declined to cash my check--and a number of words are undecipherable. > This will was abstracted in the NY Gen & Biog Record, Vol 65 p.38, > transcript of which abstract I have from "The Ancestry & Descendant of Col. > Solomon Carpenter of Goshen NY" of 1974. I'm sure the abstract has appeared > elsewhere as well. > Overall, the abstract is a pretty good representation of the will > (although it omits all the introductory pieties). My interest in seeing the > actual will was to clarify a confusion over the number and sequence of > John's sons. The abstract refers to sons Nehemiah, John of Goshen, Solomon > of Goshen, Joseph, Increase, Nehemiah (again). The abstract THEN > paraphrases the will's reference to "my three sons." HUH? Is it three sons > (reference), five (name count), or conceiveably six (if there were two > Nehemiahs)? > The will makes it all pretty clear. One item bequeaths to wife (Mary) > and son Nehemiah. Another item bequeaths to son "John Carpenter belonging > to Goshen." Another item bequeaths to "Solomon Carpenter belonging to > Goshen." Then an item bequeaths "...unto three sons Joseph Increase & > Nehemiah Carpenter after the end of my Wifes Widdowhood all my meadow lying > on Nether East Neck and my lot of land lying down(?) the Neck joining to the > land of Jeremiah Denton to be equally divided between them to them and their > heirs and assigns forever." > (The will literally says "Item" initiating each bequeathal statement > separately.) > Later reference is made to "...equal charge with my three sons Joseph > Increase & Nehemiah in sharing(?) my building as long as my Wife & I shall > live." Finally, after the homestead is (later) to be sold, there is > reference to "...my three sons and four daughters Joseph Increase & Nehemiah > & Mary Hannah Susanna & Phebe..." to split the proceeds equally. > Very clearly there are five sons. Almost as clearly, John and Solomon > are eldest and gone off on their own. Finally, the sequence of the three > youngest sons is pretty surely Joseph-Increase-Nehemiah. (The sequence in > ABC's Carpenter Memorial has Nehemiah first--which I would guess is because > he is named first in John's Item #1, as described above, but which sequence > I conclude is plainly wrong.) > Genealogist Raymond George Carpenter says that John #24 was married > twice, 1st to Abigail Rhodes and 2nd to Mary who is named in the will. John > is 74 yrs old at his death, with one daughter (Hannah) who is unmarried > although there are two younger sisters, and with three sons living at home. > Presumably they are all young adults. It adds up, in my view, to wife Mary > likely being the mother of these offspring, and Abigail Rhodes the mother of > John & Solomon of Goshen. > Does anyone wish to concur with me in this? > Robin C.

Thanks so much for the Cornell website! I was up way too late last night reading about the events in the Civil War that surrounded the death of my GGgrandfather's brother, Giles CARPENTER. What used to be family tradition is now history, fully documented by the officers involved. Now that I know where to look, I can surely find a lot more. I also discovered that the MOA project is also right down the road at the University of Michigan, so I will be checking out their collection soon. Thanks again, George --- George R. Carpenter carpgl@ismi.net ------ > This is a website worth visiting if you have NY connections. I have not > gotten thru the entire index yet, but it is fun. > > Phoebe ------ > Hi, > > Cornel University web site on line.. ALOT OF GOOD STUFF for NY AREA... it is a > MUST to look .... Kings County, NY, City Directory and Gazattes and many MORE!!! > > http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/MOA/Browseb.html > > HAVE fun searching... > > Debbe A. Hagner

Dear Phoebe, See comments below. My guess is the "second" Joseph listed. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA MzCortez@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > This is a Joseph Carpenter from Oyster Bay, LI. > 1) PROBABLY THIS FAMILY: +---¦Joseph C. CARPENTER Sr.-5312 Joseph CARPENTER Jr.-5326 ¦ ¦Abt 1693 Abt 1710/1720 --------------¦ ¦Musketa Cove,Oyster Bay,Queens,LI Musketa Cove,LI,New York Colony ¦ MRIN:1747 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:1744 +---¦Frances Elizabeth DAMES-19886 Leah-5327 ¦Abt 1695 Abt 1720/1727 ¦,,NY of,,VA (There are other marriages) --CHILDREN-- 1-Mary CARPENTER-31361 2-Sarah CARPENTER-31362 3-Judith CARPENTER-31363 4-Marthew CARPENTER-31364 5-Samuel CARPENTER-31365 6-William CARPENTER-31366 2) OR THIS ONE ... +---¦Benjamin CARPENTER Capt.-630 Joseph CARPENTER-19904 ¦ ¦Abt 1680 25 Mar 1705 --------------¦ ¦of Oyster Bay,Queens,LI,NY Red Springs,Musketa Cove,Q,LI ¦ MRIN:967 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:7104 +---¦Mercy COLES-2188 Sarah LATTING-19913 ¦24 Mar 1683 15 Sep 1705 ¦,,LI,NY of Lattingtown,Ulster,NY --CHILDREN-- 1Benjamin CARPENTER-22525 2Latting CARPENTER-22526 3Sarah CARPENTER-22527 4-Joseph CARPENTER-22528 5Mercy CARPENTER-22529 6Richard CARPENTER-22530 7Wright CARPENTER-22531 8Mary CARPENTER-22532 +---¦Josias LATTING-20208 Richard LATTING-19914 ¦ ¦Abt 1650 Abt 1680 ------------¦ ¦Musketa Cove,Long Island,NY of Lattingtown,Ulster,NY ¦ MRIN:7269 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:7123 Mary WRIGHT-19915 Abt 1680 of Lattingtown,Ulster,NY --CHILDREN-- 1-Josias LATTING-20209 2-John LATTING-20210 3Richard LATTING-20211 4Sarah LATTING-19913 <---SEE ABOVE. > Does anyone know > > 1. How and if he were related to any of his named "partiners" in this > purchase? > +---¦Josias LATTING-20212 of Josias-20028 Susanna LATTING-20216 ¦ ¦Abt 1677 Abt 1700 ---------¦ ¦of Lattingtown,Ulster,NY of Lattingtown,Ulster,NY ¦ RIN:7270 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:7271 +---¦Susanna COLES-20221 Benjamin STANTON-20219 ¦Abt 1675 Abt 1700 ¦of Glen Cove,Long Island,NY ,,NY +---¦Joseph LATTING-25315 of Joseph of Josias William LATTING-25314 ¦ ¦Abt 1720 Abt 1736 -------------¦ ¦Lattingtown,Queens,LI,NY Lattingtown,Queens,LI,NY ¦ MRIN:9169 --SPOUSE-- MRIN:9168 +---¦Mary-25316 Sarah CARPENTER-25275 ¦Abt 1720 5 Mar 1746 ¦,Queens,LI,NY Musketa Cove,,LI,NY > 2. Whom he married? 1) INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:5326 - ---------------------------------------------- Name:Joseph CARPENTER Jr. Sex:M ID No:MTLF-2C Birth:Abt 1710/1720 Place:Musketa Cove,Long Island,New York Colony Chr: Place: Marr:Abt 1750 Spouse:Leah-5327 Marr:Abt 1740 Spouse:Abigail DICKENSON-31357 Marr: Spouse: Death:Aft 21 Jan 1792 Place:,,VA Burial:Bef Jul 1792 Place:,,VA Father:Joseph C. CARPENTER Sr.-5312 Mother:Frances Elizabeth DAMES-19886 Notes ---------------------------------------------- !WILL: Will dated 21 Jan. 1792, proved July 1792. Wife listed as Leah. Joseph Carpenter served in Captian Dickenson's company in part of the French and Indian Wars, heir John, son of Thomas. A Patriot, he served in Captain John Lewis's Company of Botetourt County, Virginia Militia in 1774. Children with which mother is uncertain. See: Virginia Frontier by Kegley, page 273. CHILDREN: Did not have a Matthew but Marthew, a female! !BOOK: See page 36 #2 (for notes) of the Mowrey 1997 book. See book information below: UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION. BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997. BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. See father's notes on this Joseph's trial and escape. 2) or... INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:19904 - ------------------------------------------------ Name:Joseph CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:25 Mar 1705 Place:Red Springs,Musketa Cove,Queens,LI Chr:15 Sep 1705 Place:,Musketa Cove,LI,NY Marr:23 May 1728 Spouse:Sarah LATTING-19913 Marr: Spouse: Marr: Spouse: Death: 1 Jul 1768 Place:,Ulster,NY Burial: Place: Father:Benjamin CARPENTER Capt.-630 Mother:Mercy COLES-2188 Notes ----------------------------------------------- !Number 39 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. BIRTH: 15 Sept. or 25 Mar. 1705. See: Journal of Robert Coles, p. 200 (in the collection of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, Manhattan, NY) It has 15 Sept. 1705 with a corrected date of "March 25". See: Wills of Ulster county, NY; and Howland Delano Perrine, The Wright Family of Oysterbay, Long Island (New York, NY, 1923). See: St. George's Church Records of Hempstead, Queens county, LI, NY regarding marriage. DEATH: 1766 in Lattingtown, near Musketa Cove, is a Memorial Stone reading: Joseph Carpenter / The First Settler in This Place, And / The Planter of This Orchard, / Died July 1st, 1766 / Aged 61 YRS, 3 mMO & 6 DAYS. end > > 3. The names of his children? > SEE ABOVE X2 > 1753 ULSTER COUNTY DEED TO BENJAMIN STANTON, &tc. > (Ulster County, NY, EE/431) > A True Copy Compared and Examined the 8th Day of January 1757 ? John > Crooke..Clerk > > This Indenture made this...day of January in the year of our lord one > thousand seven Hundred & fifty three Between Henry Lane of the city of > newyork/merchant and Rachel his wife of the one part and Joseph Carpenter, > Benjamen Stanten, John Caverly and John Latting all of Oyster Bay upon Long > Isand in the province of New york of the other part Wittnesseth that they the > said Henry Lane and Rachel his wife for and in consideration of the sum of > Five hundred pounds current money of the province of New York <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/6173/mystanton.html">George > Stanton of Sullivan Co., NY10/99</A> > > Phoebe in CA