Hello Carpenters: One Carpenter out there was good enough to offer me the James Ausie Carpenter CD. I have received the disk, and am beginning to go through it...but I am embarrassed to not remember which of you kind souls ordered it for me (and can't find the original email from you). If you're the one, please email me so I can keep your searches in mind as I plow on. Robin

Hi All, This is great. I found my house in Rochester with no problem at all... Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael H Thorne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: [HARRIS] Neat mapping site... > Hope I can explain this so it makes sense... > > I found an internet site to day that provides both maps and satelite > images of virtually anywhere in the US and it's not at all hard to use > (and it's FREE). The site is called TerraServer and here's the basic > link to it: > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ > > Outside of the fun a lot of people will have with this, I was thinking it > might have some usefulness in sharing links to views of the farms or > houses or cemeteries or towns where our ancestors are or were. Just to > give you an example, my father was born in 1921 and lived in a little > town called Matfield Green, Kansas. The town is in a remote area of the > Flint Hills in Kansas and boasts a current population of around 30 hardy > old souls. If you click on the following link, you can all see the house > my father grew up in. > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=14&x=223&y=1320&z=14&w > =1&ref=P|Matfield%20Green,%20Kansas,%20United%20States (this is the > first view you get from space... but don't dispair) > > now, let me zoom in on his house (well, the immediate neighborhood > anyway) > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=3568&y=21131&z=14& > w=2 > > In case you're wondering, it's the house you can see just about 1/2 inch > above where it says 100M on the bottom edge of the photograph! > > Don't know if people will use this, but wanted to show everyone an easy > way to share (just cut and paste the link) some different kind of > information with everyone. Best of all, you don't have to go through > airport screening now just to see the old home place. > > Mike Thorne > > Researching: Hart, Thorne, Hunter, Holton, Kearney, Roberts, Wright, > Shunk, Painter, Logsdon, Clayton, McCreary and a few others as well. > [email protected]

Hi Everyone, This is great... I found my house in Rochester with no problem at all. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael H Thorne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: [HARRIS] Neat mapping site... > Hope I can explain this so it makes sense... > > I found an internet site to day that provides both maps and satelite > images of virtually anywhere in the US and it's not at all hard to use > (and it's FREE). The site is called TerraServer and here's the basic > link to it: > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ > > Outside of the fun a lot of people will have with this, I was thinking it > might have some usefulness in sharing links to views of the farms or > houses or cemeteries or towns where our ancestors are or were. Just to > give you an example, my father was born in 1921 and lived in a little > town called Matfield Green, Kansas. The town is in a remote area of the > Flint Hills in Kansas and boasts a current population of around 30 hardy > old souls. If you click on the following link, you can all see the house > my father grew up in. > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=14&x=223&y=1320&z=14&w > =1&ref=P|Matfield%20Green,%20Kansas,%20United%20States (this is the > first view you get from space... but don't dispair) > > now, let me zoom in on his house (well, the immediate neighborhood > anyway) > > http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=3568&y=21131&z=14& > w=2 > > In case you're wondering, it's the house you can see just about 1/2 inch > above where it says 100M on the bottom edge of the photograph! > > Don't know if people will use this, but wanted to show everyone an easy > way to share (just cut and paste the link) some different kind of > information with everyone. Best of all, you don't have to go through > airport screening now just to see the old home place. > > Mike Thorne > > Researching: Hart, Thorne, Hunter, Holton, Kearney, Roberts, Wright, > Shunk, Painter, Logsdon, Clayton, McCreary and a few others as well. > [email protected] > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Sorry, I failed to give the complete citation for the volume in which appear two of the four sources I named. Here it is: Robert M. Taylor Jr. and Ralph S. Crandall, eds., _Generations and Change: Genealogical Perspectives in Social History_ (Macon, 1986). << Here are several authoritative sources: Daniel Scott Smith, "Child-Naming Practices, Kinship Ties, and Change in Family Attitudes in Hingham, Massachusetts, 1641 to 1880," _The Journal of Social History_ 18(1985):541-66; David Hackett Fischer, "Forenames and the Family in New England: An Exercise in Historical Onomastics," in _Generations and Change: Genealogical Perspectives in Social History_ (Macon, 1986), 215-41; Darrett B. Rutman and Anita H. Rutman, "'In Nomine Avi': Child-Naming Patterns in a Chesapeake County, 1650-1750," in _Generations and Change_, 243-65; Gloria L. Main, "Naming Children in Early New England," _Journal of Interdisciplinary History_ 27(1996):1-27. >> Gene Z.

I beg to differ with the paradigm presented on 6/27 under the heading "19th Century Naming Patterns." Although frequently repeated, it is much too simplistic (to which the disclaimer doesn't begin to do justice) and, in some respects, just plain wrong. The trend in the nineteenth century, for example, was away from naming children after grandparents or parents. And in the previous two centuries, although it varied over time and from town to town, the broad tendency in the naming of children was decidedly *parent* centered in New England, while in Old England and Virginia it was grandparent centered. Here are several authoritative sources: Daniel Scott Smith, "Child-Naming Practices, Kinship Ties, and Change in Family Attitudes in Hingham, Massachusetts, 1641 to 1880," _The Journal of Social History_ 18(1985):541-66; David Hackett Fischer, "Forenames and the Family in New England: An Exercise in Historical Onomastics," in _Generations and Change: Genealogical Perspectives in Social History_ (Macon, 1986), 215-41; Darrett B. Rutman and Anita H. Rutman, "'In Nomine Avi': Child-Naming Patterns in a Chesapeake County, 1650-1750," in _Generations and Change_, 243-65; Gloria L. Main, "Naming Children in Early New England," _Journal of Interdisciplinary History_ 27(1996):1-27. Gene Z.

In a message dated 6/28/2004 6:00:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: BTW, I'm concerned because I haven't heard anything from Charlie Carpenter in RI, I believe, ([email protected]), and wonder if anyone knows anything about him. I keep getting emails to his address back.... Sure hope he is OK !!! Would sure appreciate hearing from anyone who knows anything about him. I have the same problem I will check with another E friend in RI

Find A GraveHi All, Could someone click on Phebe Chase and it will take you to locked files at Ancestry.com. There is a Quaker Meeting Minutes file there fr. Chatham, Columbia Co., NY with 3 Phebe Chases in it. I'm looking for my gggg? grandmother, Phebe Barnard, who was lst m. to Aaron Macy. After he died, she married Benjamin Chase. I believe she was born abt. 1772. Her marriage date to Benjamin Chase and her death date are below. She's not buried w/him as she died and he remarried. She was the dt. of Reuben Barnard and Phebe Coleman of Deruyter, Ny........which may be Dutchess Co. She may be listed as Phebe Macy Chase because of her lst marriage to Macy. No........I'm not sending this to the wrong list... What I mean is, I'm hoping someone on the Carpenter list will have some luck with this. Thanks so much. Her info is below.........! 6.Benjamin Chase, b, Chatham, Columbia Co. NY. (or Freetown, MA) Oct. 7, 1783, d. Oct. 16,1867, bur. Oct. 18, 1867, Mt. Pleasant Cemetery, Section J, Lot 106, Newark, NJ., m. Mar. 31, 1807, 1st Phebe (BARNARD) Macy, b. 1772 (NOT July 9, l800), Nantucket, North Dstrict, MA, d. Feb. 23, 1818 fr. whom we are descended. Thanks again, Barb Chase Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb and Don To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: Find A Grave Actions Begin New Search Refine Last Search Cemetery Lookup Add Burial Records FAQ Top Contributors Success Stories Discussion forums Find A Grave Store Support Find A Grave Log In Search for "Chase" at Ancestry.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Grave Search Results Sorry, there are no records in the Find A Grave database matching your query. Search for "Phebe Chase" at Ancestry.com New York State Database If you aren't finding the names you are looking for, try reducing your search criteria. For example if you were searching for Erich Weiss, just enter 'E' for the first name and 'Weiss' for the last name. Come back often as we are adding thousands of new names every day! Do you know where someone is buried but didn't find them here? You can add names to the Find A Grave database . Honoring Jean Thomson 1877 - 1960 Icon Key Flowers Famous Sponsored Photos Bio Headstone Accuracy and Copyright Disclaimer

Sending again as I never received a copy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb and Don To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: 19th Century Naming Patterns Hi Everyone, I found this rather interesting. Hope others do too. BTW, I'm concerned because I haven't heard anything from Charlie Carpenter in RI, I believe, ([email protected]), and wonder if anyone knows anything about him. I keep getting emails to his address back.... Sure hope he is OK !!! Would sure appreciate hearing from anyone who knows anything about him. Thanks so much, Barb Chase Thompson X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:23:35 -0700 From: Shirley Hornbeck <[email protected]> Subject: Naming Patterns 19th Century Naming Patterns: First son: named for his paternal grandfather. Second son: named for his maternal grandfather. Third son: named after father or father's paternal grandfather. Fourth son: named after father's oldest brother or mother's paternal grandfather. Fifth son: named after mother's eldest brother or father's material grandfather. Sixth son: named after father's second oldest brother or for mother's maternal grandfather. First dau: named for maternal grandmother. Second dau: named for her paternal grandmother. Third dau: named after mother or for mother's maternal grandmother. Fourth dau: named after mother's oldest sister or for father's paternal grandmother. Fifth dau: named after father's eldest sister or for mother's paternal grandmother. Sixth dau: named after mother's second oldest sister or for father's paternal grandmother. With people being what they are, there were all sorts of variations, some covered by rules and some by family decision. It was customary to name the next daughter/son born within a second marriage for the deceased husband/wife. If a father died before his child was born, the child was often named for him. If a mother died in childbirth, that child, if a girl, was usually named for the mother. Another child was commonly named for a child who had died within the family. DUTCH NAMING PATTERNS: The custom was that the lst son be named for paternal grandfather; 2nd son named for his maternal grandfather; lst daughter for her maternal grandmother; 2nd daughter for her paternal grandmother. If 4 children were born then all 4 grandparents are known. More tips at my This and That Genealogy Tips page in my signature below. Shirley Hornbeck http://www.s-hornbeck.com HORNBECK, HORNBACK, HORNBEAK SURNAME RESOURCE CENTER: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/hsrc/home.htm> THIS & THAT GENEALOGY TIPS: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck> THIS AND THAT GENEALOGY TIPS will be back in print about 8/1/2004.

Hi Everyone, I found this rather interesting. Hope others do too. BTW, I'm concerned because I haven't heard anything from Charlie Carpenter in RI, I believe, ([email protected]), and wonder if anyone knows anything about him. I keep getting emails to his address back.... Sure hope he is OK !!! Would sure appreciate hearing from anyone who knows anything about him. Thanks so much, Barb Chase Thompson X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:23:35 -0700 From: Shirley Hornbeck <[email protected]> Subject: Naming Patterns 19th Century Naming Patterns: First son: named for his paternal grandfather. Second son: named for his maternal grandfather. Third son: named after father or father's paternal grandfather. Fourth son: named after father's oldest brother or mother's paternal grandfather. Fifth son: named after mother's eldest brother or father's material grandfather. Sixth son: named after father's second oldest brother or for mother's maternal grandfather. First dau: named for maternal grandmother. Second dau: named for her paternal grandmother. Third dau: named after mother or for mother's maternal grandmother. Fourth dau: named after mother's oldest sister or for father's paternal grandmother. Fifth dau: named after father's eldest sister or for mother's paternal grandmother. Sixth dau: named after mother's second oldest sister or for father's paternal grandmother. With people being what they are, there were all sorts of variations, some covered by rules and some by family decision. It was customary to name the next daughter/son born within a second marriage for the deceased husband/wife. If a father died before his child was born, the child was often named for him. If a mother died in childbirth, that child, if a girl, was usually named for the mother. Another child was commonly named for a child who had died within the family. DUTCH NAMING PATTERNS: The custom was that the lst son be named for paternal grandfather; 2nd son named for his maternal grandfather; lst daughter for her maternal grandmother; 2nd daughter for her paternal grandmother. If 4 children were born then all 4 grandparents are known. More tips at my This and That Genealogy Tips page in my signature below. Shirley Hornbeck http://www.s-hornbeck.com HORNBECK, HORNBACK, HORNBEAK SURNAME RESOURCE CENTER: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/hsrc/home.htm> THIS & THAT GENEALOGY TIPS: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck> THIS AND THAT GENEALOGY TIPS will be back in print about 8/1/2004.

Hi! I am related to the Carpenters that live in OR. If there are any Carpenters in this e-mail group that live in OR, then please e-mail me at [email protected] Sandra (Bullard) Mahar - Molalla, OR

Connie, Thank You for the information. You added two missing children and provide info on this family. Thanks for sharing! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA 1. Catherine Green Ladd-70992 was born on 20 Nov 1826 in Providence, Providence, RI. Catherine Green LADD (AFN: VSLG-B2) AKA: Kate Ladd Catherine married (MRIN:25957) Herbert Mann Carpenter-70991, son of Hosea Carpenter-18103 and Susan R. Draper-69322 (MRIN:7556), on 25 Apr 1852. Herbert was born on 13 Jan 1828 in Providence, Providence, RI. Per the CM he Resided in Minneapolis, ,MN. Herbert M. CARPENTER (AFN: VSLG-9V) Not in the 1880 census. MARRIAGE: From the IGI - Spouse: KATE G. LADD Marriage: 25 APR 1852 Civil, Providence, Providence, Rhode Island E-MAIL: From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: H. M. Carpenter I ran across this, I have no connection to this Mr. Carpenter. This book is available at HeritageQuest if your library gives you access to it (at home, for free), and also available if you have a subscription to the GodfreyLibrary. History of Hennepin County and City of Minneapolis, 1881. North Star Publishing Co. Page 526 CARPENTER, H. M. native of Rhode Island, was born in Providence in 1828. He came to St. Anthony in 1854 and worked two years as clerk for Tufts, Reynolds & Whittemore. In 1857 he engaged in general merchandise business with Mr. Andrews as partner, but they were burned out, in about sixteen months, and in 1860 Mr. Carpenter started in the same business alone. He continued it four years, and in the meantime bought an interest in a paper mill. In the spring of 1865 he started the paper store at St. Paul, and the following year took a partner, J. T. Averill, the latter taking charge of the St. Paul store. Since the withdrawal of Cutler and Secombe from thefirm, Mr. Carpenter has had entire control of the paper mill. He married Kate Ladd, of Providence, Rhode Island, April 20th, 1852. Three children have been born to them: Frank, Henry and Edwin. Connie Herbert and Catherine had the following children: 2 M i. Frank Carpenter-93314 was born about 1854 in of, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN. 3 M ii. Henry L. Carpenter-72264 was born about 1858 in of, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN. (AFN: VSLG-C7) 4 M iii. Edwin Carpenter-93313 was born about 1861 in of, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: H. M. Carpenter > I ran across this, I have no connection to this Mr. Carpenter. This book is > available at HeritageQuest if your library gives you access to it (at home, > for free), and also available if you have a subscription to the Godfrey > Library. > > History of Hennepin County and City of Minneapolis, 1881. North Star > Publishing Co. > Page 526 > CARPENTER, H. M. native of Rhode Island, was born in Providence in 1828. He > came to St. Anthony in 1854 and worked two years as clerk for Tufts, > Reynolds & Whittemore. In 1857 he engaged in general merchandise business > with Mr. Andrews as partner, but they were burned out, in about sixteen > months, and in 1860 Mr. Carpenter started in the same business alone. He > continued it four years, and in the meantime bought an interest in a paper > mill. In the spring of 1865 he started the paper store at St. Paul, and the > following year took a partner, J. T. Averill, the latter taking charge of > the St. Paul store. Since the withdrawal of Cutler and Secombe from the > firm, Mr. Carpenter has had entire control of the paper mill. He married > Kate Ladd, of Providence, Rhode Island, April 20th, 1852. Three children > have been born to them: Frank, Henry and Edwin. > > Connie > > ______________________________

Historical materials from England are increasing daily on the net. A fascinating site to explore is http://www.a2a.org.uk/ Try you luck at finding people using Carpenter as a surname before 1400! BC

Hello, The Public Record Office (PRO) or National Record Office in England has placed many of their wills on line for a price. These are not transcribed wills but the actual images of the wills. The earliest Carpenter will found on their search engine is a will dated 07 April 1499. This is for a WIlliam Carpenter of Hyde, Winchester, Hampshire. Wills after 1891 are not on line. Searches can be complicated by titles (Earl, Lord, etc) and hyphenated names confuse the search engine. See the following web page for details. http://www.pro.gov.uk/ Thanks to Bruce E. Carpenter for providing that the PRO web page is up and running on this section. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Sample of the numbers of Carpenter wills found using their search engine and applying "fuzzy logic." Carpenter Wills found 1000 to 1600 AD = 35 1601 to 1625 AD = 20 1626 to 1650 AD = 34 1651 to 1700 AD = 124 1701 to 1750 AD = 80 1751 to 1800 AD = 135 1801 to 1850 AD = 187 1851 to 1891 AD = 39 On line details before you "add to your cart" is on the following web page. http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=1066576&queryType=0&resultcount=1 Image details Catalogue Reference:PROB 11/10 Dept:Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series:Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece:Name of Register: Vox Date:10 October 1493 Description:Will of John Carpinter of Wratling, Sussex Image contains:1 will of many for the catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image ReferenceFormat and VersionPart NumberSize (KB)Number of Pages Price (£) 3 / 3PDF 1.2142823.50 Total Price (£) 3.50 Below is a sample of search results from the following search page. http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/browse-refine.asp?CatID=6&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1 Browsing Family History > Wills There are too many images to list. Please specify additional criteria and click GO to display all matching images. 1. Enter one or more search words: First name Last name Carpenter Occupation Place Other Keywords 2. Restrict a date range From 1000 To 1600 Expanded by Fuzzy logic - IE "Sounds like" Searching Family History > Wills 35 documents found Displaying documents: 1 to 10 Refine search criteria. > DescriptionDateCatalogue ref.Details Will of Raphe Carpenter, Skinner of London28 September 1585PROB 11/68View Details Will of Edward Carpenter, Cloth Worker of London18 July 1592PROB 11/80View Details Will of Thomas Carpenter, Yeoman of Merton, Surrey17 September 1558PROB 11/41View Details Will of Robert Carpenter of Newland, Gloucestershire21 May 1584PROB 11/67View Details Will of William Carpenter of Hyde Winchester, Hampshire07 April 1499PROB 11/11View Details Will of Roger Carpenter alias Morecok08 March 1524PROB 11/21View Details Will of William Carpenter, Clerk29 August 1508PROB 11/16View Details Will of William Carpenter alias Wheler, Husbandman of Shipton Bellinger, Hampshire05 June 1581PROB 11/63View Details Will of John Carpenter alias Rawlyn alias Rawlymre, Clothier of Colyton, Devon04 February 1581PROB 11/63View Details Will of Robert Carpenter of Saint Thomas Bristol, Gloucestershire04 November 1580PROB 11/62View Details < 1 ... > DescriptionDateCatalogue ref.Details Will of Thomas Carpenter, Merchant Tailor of London27 February 1579PROB 11/61View Details Sentence of John Carpenter of Exeter, Devon07 December 1571PROB 11/53View Details Will of Andrew Carpenter, Beerbrewer of Saint Thoma Oxford, Oxfordshire16 November 1571PROB 11/53View Details Will of Edward Carpenter, Batchelor of Redborne, Hertfordshire19 February 1569PROB 11/51View Details Will of John Carpenter of Farnte, Sussex14 January 1552PROB 11/35View Details Will of Sir Thomas Carpenter, Priest26 May 1546PROB 11/31View Details Will of Johna Carpenter or Carpent, Widow17 June 1519PROB 11/19View Details Will of Richard Carpenter, Priest28 September 1503PROB 11/13View Details Will of William Carpenter of Rode, Somerset29 October 1502PROB 11/13View Details Will of Roberte Carpenter of Newton Tony, Wiltshire22 June 1599PROB 11/94View Details < . 2 .. > DescriptionDateCatalogue ref.Details Will of William Carpenter, Yeoman of Culham, Oxfordshire21 September 1597PROB 11/90View Details Will of Venis Carpenter, Widow of Biddenden, Kent09 February 1597PROB 11/89View Details Will of Roberte Carpenter of East Farleigh, Kent16 June 1596PROB 11/87View Details Will of Jeremy Carpenter of Udimore, Sussex19 September 1594PROB 11/84View Details Will of John Carpenter of Tonbridge, Kent28 July 1593PROB 11/82View Details Will of Henry Carpenter, Yeoman of Henfield, Sussex11 May 1593PROB 11/81View Details Will of John Carpenter, Servant of Saint Andrew le Wardrope, City of London06 December 1592PROB 11/80View Details Will of John Carpinter of Wratling, Sussex10 October 1493PROB 11/10View Details Will of Edwarde Carpinter of West Barsham, Norfolk04 August 1561PROB 11/44View Details Will of Henry Carpynter, Husbandman of Lockinge, Berkshire14 June 1526PROB 11/22View Details < .. 3 . > DescriptionDateCatalogue ref.Details Will of Ralph Carpynter of Coliton, Devon02 February 1515PROB 11/18View Details Will of William Carpinter, Yeoman of Norton, Herefordshire09 October 1576PROB 11/58View Details Will of Thomas Carpentar, Merchant of Bristol, Gloucestershire06 July 1541PROB 11/28View Details Will of William Carpinter of Tenterden, Kent30 June 1530PROB 11/23View Details Will of Richarde Carpinter or Carpynter, Yeoman of Westeharnam, Wiltshire30 October 1559PROB 11/42BView Details < ... 4 >

I ran across this, I have no connection to this Mr. Carpenter. This book is available at HeritageQuest if your library gives you access to it (at home, for free), and also available if you have a subscription to the Godfrey Library. History of Hennepin County and City of Minneapolis, 1881. North Star Publishing Co. Page 526 CARPENTER, H. M. native of Rhode Island, was born in Providence in 1828. He came to St. Anthony in 1854 and worked two years as clerk for Tufts, Reynolds & Whittemore. In 1857 he engaged in general merchandise business with Mr. Andrews as partner, but they were burned out, in about sixteen months, and in 1860 Mr. Carpenter started in the same business alone. He continued it four years, and in the meantime bought an interest in a paper mill. In the spring of 1865 he started the paper store at St. Paul, and the following year took a partner, J. T. Averill, the latter taking charge of the St. Paul store. Since the withdrawal of Cutler and Secombe from the firm, Mr. Carpenter has had entire control of the paper mill. He married Kate Ladd, of Providence, Rhode Island, April 20th, 1852. Three children have been born to them: Frank, Henry and Edwin. Connie

Bruce, I have not seen it. Data below on how to get it and OTHER Carpenter books. Long time no hear from. I hope all has been well. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA http://www.famousamericans.net/charlesperrinsmith/ Charles Perrin Smith SMITH, Charles Perrin, genealogist, born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 5 , Jail., 1819; died in Trenton, New Jersey, 27 January, 1883. On attaining his majority he became proprietor and editor of "The National Standard" in Salem, New Jersey, and conducted it for eleven years. He served in the legislature of 1852, and was clerk of the supreme court of New Jersey in 1857-'72. He was early identified with the old Whig party, and during the Harrison campaign travelled extensively through the west and northwest, publishing a graphic account of his journey in a series of letters. During the civil war he was a secret agent of the state of New Jersey. Mr. Smith was a corresponding member of the Philadelphia numismatic and antiquarian society. He was the author of "Lineage of the Lloyd and Carpenter Families" (printed privately, Camden, New Jersey, 1870) and "Memoranda of a Visit to the Site of Mathraval Castle, with a Genealogical Chart of the Descent of Thomas Lloyd" (1875). See a memoir of him by Charles Hart in the " Necrology of the Philadelphia Numismatic and Antiquarian Society for 1883." Edited Appletons Encyclopedia, Copyright © 2001 VirtualologyTM http://www.tuttlebooks.com/l.htm 926. LLOYD and Carpenter Family, Lineage of. Including two addendas to the Lloyd Gene. and one addenda to the Carpenter Family, By Charles P. Smith, 88, 19, 24, 6pp., PHOTOCOPY; FLEX. VINYL COVERS, 1870, $22.50 ********************************************************************* The CE CD 2001 has the following Carpenter books ... 1) THE ANCESTRY AND DESCENDANTS OF COL. SOLOMON CARPENTER OF GOSHEN, NEW YORK. 1974. 2) History & Genealogy of the CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA By Daniel Hoogland Carpenter of Maplewood, N. J. 1901. 3) UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY 1997. 4) Samuel Carpenter and his Descendants - COMPILED BY EDWARD CARPENTER OF PHILADELPHIA AND HIS SON GENERAL LOUIS HENRY CARPENTER U. S. A. 1912. 5) The Descendants of Timothy Carpenter of Pittstown, Rensselaer Co., New York. By Charles Lorain Carpenter, Rear Admiral U.S.N. - Ret. 1976. 6) A GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE REHOBOTH BRANCH OF THE CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA.Also known as the CARPENTER MEMORIAL. Amos B. Carpenter, 1898 - 900 pages with handwritten corrections! 7) De Carpentier Allied Ancestry - Ancestry of Maria De Carpentier wife of Jean Paul JaquetVice Director and Chief Magistrate on the South River of New Netherland 1655 - 1657 By Edwin Jaquett Sellers Philadelphia 1928. De Carpentier Ancestry only. 8) GENEALOGY OF THE DE CARPENTIER FAMILY OF HOLLAND BY EDWIN JAQUETT SELLERS PHILADELPHIA 1909. Pictures of pages. You can get a copy of the CE CD 2001 for a $15.00 donation from ... Carpenter Museum P. O. Box 2 Rehoboth, MA 02769 The Carpenter Museum is part of the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society. Make checks out to the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society. Suggested Donation is $15.00. The following book/CD sellers have their versions out ... http://www.tuttlebooks.com/c.htm 250. CARPENTER Family, Gene. Notes of. Including Autobiography and Personal Reminiscences of Dr. Seymour D. Carpenter., By Edwin S. Walker, 242pp. & illus., PHOTOCOPY; FLEX. VINYL COVERS, 1907, $40.00 251. CARPENTER. Gene. Hist. of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America., By Amos Carpenter, 908pp. & illus., PHOTOCOPY; FLEX. VINYL COVERS, bound in 2 volumes., 1898, $110.00 Brought down from their english ancestor, John Carpenter, 1303 with biographical notes of descendants and allied families. 252. CARPENTER. Hist. & Gene. of the Carpenter Family in America, from the Settlement at Providence, 1637-1901., By Daniel H. Carpenter, 370pp., PHOTOCOPY; FLEX. VINYL COVERS, 1901, $55.00 http://www.quintinpublications.com/familygenealogies_carp.html Family Title Pages Book CD Title Page and Table of Contents pages are in PDF format. If you don't have Acrobat Reader, get it here free: CARPENTER C9 Genealogy of One Branch of the Carpenter Family., Roberts, Martin L (1877) 11 Book $10.95 CD $10.95 CARPENTER C16 Genealogical and Historical Record of the Carpenter Family with a Brief Genealogy of Some of the Descendants of William Carpenter of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Massachusetts; William Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island; Samuel Carpenter of Pennsylvania and Ephraim Timothy and Josias Carpenter of Long Island. Including a Full Complete and Reliable History of the Carpenter Estate of England., Usher, James (1883) 77 Book $10.95 CD $10.95 CARPENTER C7 A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America Brought Down from Their English Ancestor John Carpenter 1303 with Many Biographical Notes of Descendants and Allied Families., Carpenter, Amos B (1898) 969 Book $106.59 CD $48.45 CARPENTER C62 History and Genealogy of the Carpenter Family in America from the Settlement at Providence, Rhode Island 1637-1901., Carpenter, Daniel Hoogland (1901) 402 Book $44.22 CD $20.10 CARPENTER C57 Genealogical Notes of the Carpenter Family Including the Autobiography and Personal Reminiscences of Dr. Seymour D. Carpenter, Lieutenant Colonel in the War for the Union. With Genealogical and Biographical Appendix., Walker, Edwin S (editor) (1907) 298 Book $32.76 CD $14.90 CARPENTER C15 Samuel Carpenter and His Descendants., Carpenter, Edward (1912) 418 Book $45.98 CD $20.90 CARPENTER C3009 Carpenter and Allied Families: Genealogical and Biographical. Annie Carpenter. (1930) 244 Book $26.84 CD $12.20 CARPENTER C3010 The Carpenter Family History. John Lylle Carpenter. (1960) 37 Book $10.95 CD $10.95 (de) CARPENTIER C3011 De Carpentier Allied Ancestry: Ancestry of Maria de Carpentier, wife of Jean Paul Jaquet, vice Director and Chief Magistrate on the South River of New Netherland, 1655-1657. Edwin J. Sellers. (1928) 236 Book $25.96 CD $11.80 From: "Bruce E Carpenter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Smith Book > Has anyone looked through the Carpenter material in Smith's > book? > BC > > > > Charles Perrin Smith > > SMITH, Charles Perrin, genealogist, born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 5 , > Jail., 1819; died in Trenton, New Jersey, 27 January, 1883. On attaining his > majority he became proprietor and editor of "The National Standard" in > Salem, New Jersey, and conducted it for eleven years. He served in the > legislature of 1852, and was clerk of the supreme court of New Jersey in > 1857-'72. He was early identified with the old Whig party, and during the > Harrison campaign travelled extensively through the west and northwest, > publishing a graphic account of his journey in a series of letters. During > the civil war he was a secret agent of the state of New Jersey. Mr. Smith > was a corresponding member of the Philadelphia numismatic and antiquarian > society. He was the author of "Lineage of the Lloyd and Carpenter Families" > (printed privately, Camden, New Jersey, 1870) and "Memoranda of a Visit to > the Site of Mathraval Castle, with a Genealogical Chart of the Descent of > Thomas Lloyd" (1875). See a memoir of him by Charles Hart in the " Necrology > of the Philadelphia Numismatic and Antiquarian Society for 1883." > > > > > Edited Appletons Encyclopedia > > ______________________________

Has anyone looked through the Carpenter material in Smith's book? BC Charles Perrin Smith SMITH, Charles Perrin, genealogist, born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 5 , Jail., 1819; died in Trenton, New Jersey, 27 January, 1883. On attaining his majority he became proprietor and editor of "The National Standard" in Salem, New Jersey, and conducted it for eleven years. He served in the legislature of 1852, and was clerk of the supreme court of New Jersey in 1857-'72. He was early identified with the old Whig party, and during the Harrison campaign travelled extensively through the west and northwest, publishing a graphic account of his journey in a series of letters. During the civil war he was a secret agent of the state of New Jersey. Mr. Smith was a corresponding member of the Philadelphia numismatic and antiquarian society. He was the author of "Lineage of the Lloyd and Carpenter Families" (printed privately, Camden, New Jersey, 1870) and "Memoranda of a Visit to the Site of Mathraval Castle, with a Genealogical Chart of the Descent of Thomas Lloyd" (1875). See a memoir of him by Charles Hart in the " Necrology of the Philadelphia Numismatic and Antiquarian Society for 1883." Edited Appletons Encyclopedia

Henry Carpenter, Amos Carpenter, Cyrel Carpenter, Elisha Carpenter, Isaac Carpenter

Hello to the List - We need your Help! The FTDNA list for Zimmerman/Carpenter's that have had their DNA tested is growing. We have two with positive connections back to Christian and Peter Zimmerman/Carpenter, both sons of Hans Zimmerman, from we believe Steffisburg, Switzerland, born in 1702 and died in NC on 10 June 1794. In addition, we have three others that fall into the category of having a 99.9 likelihood of sharing a common ancestor with the two who have positive connections back to Christian and Peter noted above. The Y-Chromosome 25-Markers are only off by one or two numbers and it is believed that they could be descendants of Jacob or Johannes Zimmerman/Carpenter, who are also sons of Hans Zimmerman. However, we are also fast approaching the possibility that Hans Zimmerman's brothers or Uncles may also have arrived with him in 1732, or earlier and possibly even later. We just need a better sampling of DNA results of people that can trace their roots back to the Zimmerman's and Carpenter's that arrived in America in the late 1600's and early 1700's from the Canton of Berne, and Steffisburg, Switzerland. If you are undecided or have questions regarding the confidentiality and security of your DNA results please contact Family Tree DNA at www.familytreedna.com . I'm sure their answers will set your mind at ease. We are on the verge on breaking down the BIG BRICK WALL with respect to connecting the Zimmermans of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Virginia. Patterns are being developed and additional people are needed to take the test in order to determine the relationship between the Zimmerman/Carpenter's coming to America in the early 1700's. One of our recent people to take the test is a 15 month old young man that would like to know who his paternal ancestors were, that is his maternal grandfather would like to know so that he can pass this information on to him when he is old enough to understand family relationships. This young man, another person in the State of Washington, and another in the State of Texas are uncertain as to who their ancestors were. However, they have been assured that based upon their DNA results that they have a 99.9 percent likelihood of sharing a common ancestor with myself and Robert C. Carpenter of North Carolina. Family Tree DNA reports that over 20,000 people have taken the DNA test and the number is growing daily. If you want to find who your ancestors were and if you share an ancestor with someone else living on this good earth of ours now is the time to take that step forward. If you take the DNA test via the Carpenter Cousins Group the fee is $171, outside of this group the fee is approximately $230. Again if you have questions of any nature contact FTDNA at www.familytreedna.com , questions about Hans Zimmerman or DNA testing in general contact myself at [email protected] or Robert C. Carpenter at [email protected] . Robert C. Carpenter is the person who wrote and published the book, "Carpenters A Plenty" in 1983. He has a wealth of knowledge about the Zimmerman/Carpenters who came to Pennsylvania in 1732 and migrated to North carolina in about 1758. Since 1983 he has added to the information he published in 1983. Thanks Bobby L. Carpenter

I have information on Mary Rachel Carpenter's husband, William Coultard Bunce's line. She was born ca 1820 and moved from NY to Milwaukee. Phyllis Reed

I am still trying to research my Carpenter roots in Orange County New York. At present, we are making some progress. I am still trying to identify my ggggrandfather's parents. So I thought that I would try a different route, the wife. Elizabeth Canfield: I believe that she had three marriages. The first two marriages are documented in the Reformed Dutch Church of Mahackamack records. Minisink Marriages 1817-1843 performed by Rev Cornelius Elting (Dutch Reformed Church). 1. Dec 6, 1827 - Deerpark OC N York Benjamin D Carpenter & Elizabeth Canfield $2.00 Child: Levi V. Carpenter June 29, 1832 2. Aug. 13, 1836 Christopher Hollenback/Hollenbeck & Mrs. Elizabeth Carpenter $2.00 Child: Christopher Holenbeck July 5, 1841 A third marriage must have occured. In the Canfield Family Bible a third child is listed for Elizabeth. David Carpenter born May 2, 1847. I have not identified the second Carpenter that married Elizabeth. Christopher Hollenback and David Carpenter's births are recorded in the Canfield Family Bible. David Carpenter also listed himself as Levi V. Carpenter's half brother in a letter contained in Levi's Civil War Pension File. I am hoping that someone on this list may connect with this timeline and help identify Elizabeth's first husband's parents and identify her third husband. Thanks, Jim in Ohio