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    1. Carpenter Family of Virginia
    2. African-American I am looking to find information on my Carpenter family. My Great Great Great Grandmother was Amanda Carpenter Tyree. She was born in 1838. She was married to Thomas Tyree born in 1835. They lived in Albemarle/Rivanna County, Virginia. They had many children but one was Nancy Tyree Smith who was my Great Great Grandmother. Nancy was married to James Tyree and they also lived in Albemarle County, Virginia. I recently got a restored 8x10 photo of Nancy Tyree Smith. That was such a blessing and act of kindness from a cousin of mine. I kissed the picture and studied her dress, glasses, hair style, fingernails, jewelry, etc. If anyone has any information about this family I would greatly appreciate you sharing. Thank You, Andrea Parrish Charlottesville, Virginia My Family Tree Includes: Parrish, Solomon, Wright, Lindsay, Harris, Mills, Johnson, Randolph, Murray, Magruder, Jones, Boykin, Gwynn, Burley, Goodall, Strother, Smith, Tyre/Tyree, Brown, Wheeler, Carpenter "Genealogy, life in the past lane"

    09/02/2004 06:02:51
    1. Fearons, Van Horn, Greenleaf, Long Island NY
    2. Looking for Sarah Jane Fearon, b 2/23/1853, daughter of Edward Jay Fearon and Sarah Jane Greenleaf Van Horne. She married Eugene Edward Carpenter b 2/27/1851 on Long Island, NY., married 9/11/1872. Their children: Eugene Carpenter b 1873, William Henry Carpenter b 8/4/1875, and Elsie Carpenter Mackey b ca 1877. Phyllis Reed

    08/31/2004 03:31:17
    1. Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter
    2. Deb Wake
    3. Hi Jerry, I contacted a friend to see if there is a connection between your line and ours--some of our line went from Rockingham County VA to KY--mainly Lincoln Co. initially. My friend doesn't know of a connection either, but did a little looking and found this; hope it helps. Deb Wake Richmond, VA 1850 District 1, Fleming County, Kentucky, 5 October 1850 Harvey Carpenter 28 Farmer $700 Ky (all) Cannot read Cannot write Eliza 27 Cannot read Cannot write William 3 Mary 1 And also in the 1850, living right next door to Harvey: Mildred Carpenter 66 $700 Va (Note Virginia birth) Nancy 35 Ky Thomas 31 Farmer Ky Daniel 23 Farmer Ky 1860 District 2, Fleming County, Kentucky, 9 August 1860, p. 78 Harvey Carpenter 39 Farmer $1500 $850 Ky (all) Eliza 35 William N. 13 James 10 George 7 1870 Mt. Carmell Precinct, Fleming County, Kentucky, 21 June 1870, p. 27 Harvey Carpenter 48 Farmer $1500 $800 Louisa 30 (or 34?) Keeping house Ky (all) Cannot read James 19 George 17 Charles 5 Harvey 3 Vina 2 Joseph 7 mos. Marriage Records of Fleming County, Kentucky 1798-1851 Name: Harvey Carpenter Spouse: Eliza Jordan Marriage Date: 05 Apr 1846 Kentucky Death Index, 1911-2000 Name: Harvey Carpenter Death Date: 2 May , 1935 Death Place: Bath Age: 074 Volume: 23 Certificate: 11125 Kentucky Marriages to 1850 Spouse 1 Spouse 2 Marriage Date Marriage Location Breese, John Carpenter, Elizabeth 14 Aug 1807 Kentucky Fleming County Carpenter, Simon Fee, Ann 23 Jul 1815 Kentucky Fleming County Carpenter, Sallie Reeves, Thomas 29 Oct 1818 Kentucky Fleming County Carpenter, Thomas Eaton, Elizabeth 03 Sep 1822 Kentucky Fleming County Carpenter, William Jones, Mary 07 Nov 1822 Kentucky Fleming County Brammel, John Carpenter, Milly 18 Jul 1825 Kentucky Fleming County At 07:25 PM 8/23/2004, gerald tuttle wrote: >Hey , I am looking for info the Carpenter Family There was My greatgrandpa >Joseph Carpenter (poppy) He Married Emmer Bolling she was Deaf from fever >as a girl,Josephs father was a H arvey Carpenter he married Louise Dillon >no dates, His Father was suppose to be Daniel Carpenter Who Died in 1850 >in Vanceburg,Ky he Married Mildred Carter 1811. other Children of Daniel >and Mildred are Harvey,Daniel,George,William,Nancy. The children of Harvey >were, Joseph M My great grandpa,Lavina,Charley,Harvey Jr,The only other >dates I have besides Daniels death and marriage are, Joseph M was born,Dec >,)2,1869,died,Dec 03,1962 His marriage to Emmer was Dec,02,1890 In >Flemingsburg,Ky, Emmer was born in Fleming County Ky on Oct 23,1868, and >died March 20 1934, I hope someone relates somebody's name ,Thank you in >Advance for any help. > > Jerry > Tuttle

    08/30/2004 03:24:18
    1. Still Looking
    2. gerald tuttle
    3. Still Looking for Family info on the parents of Joseph M Carpenter. His Father is Harvey that's all I have , I have a 1870 Census that puts Harvey and family in Fleming County Mt Carmel Ky, But don't see any other Carpenters I also have Harvey's dad as Daniel but just a name is what I have nothing else If anyone has any info or ideas as to how to research these folks please contact me. Thanks in advance. Jerry Tuttle

    08/28/2004 02:34:08
    1. hacker
    2. Dear Friends, I recently had trouble with a hacker last night they/it sent out 300 spam messages despite my AOL Controlls. contact me contact me via this list if you are NEW to me,Others are who have contacted me on regular basis are on my mailing list http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks > > http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

    08/27/2004 03:48:26
    1. Carpenter
    2. gerald tuttle
    3. Hey , I am looking for info the Carpenter Family There was My greatgrandpa Joseph Carpenter (poppy) He Married Emmer Bolling she was Deaf from fever as a girl,Josephs father was a H arvey Carpenter he married Louise Dillon no dates, His Father was suppose to be Daniel Carpenter Who Died in 1850 in Vanceburg,Ky he Married Mildred Carter 1811. other Children of Daniel and Mildred are Harvey,Daniel,George,William,Nancy. The children of Harvey were, Joseph M My great grandpa,Lavina,Charley,Harvey Jr,The only other dates I have besides Daniels death and marriage are, Joseph M was born,Dec ,)2,1869,died,Dec 03,1962 His marriage to Emmer was Dec,02,1890 In Flemingsburg,Ky, Emmer was born in Fleming County Ky on Oct 23,1868, and died March 20 1934, I hope someone relates somebody's name ,Thank you in Advance for any help. Jerry Tuttle

    08/23/2004 09:25:50
    1. re: Looking for Donna Hellewell of Aptos, CA
    2. John R Carpenter 2
    3. Hello, I am looking for a current e-mail of Donna Hellewell of Aptos, CA. Donna are you out there? John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA

    08/20/2004 05:28:50
    1. cousin removed
    2. John L. in NH asked: "Can some one explain what it means to have a 10 cousin once removed. I have forgotten." This explanation requires two parts: the first is to explain what a 10th cousin is; the second is an explanation of a the "removed" indication. Simply put, look at your first cousins. You and your first cousins are descended from the same pair of grandparents. Your second cousins and you are descended from the same pair of great-grandparents. Your third cousins and you are descended from the same pair of great-great-grandparents. Continuing on back, you add one "cousin number" for each "great" in the link, so that you and your 10th cousins are descended from the same pair of great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents (nine greats). Therefore, "cousin number" = (number of greats) plus one. Got it? Okay, let's go on. Suppose your first cousin has a child. You and that child are "removed" by a generation. So you and your first cousin's child are "first cousins once removed" to each other. If that child has a child, i.e., your first cousin's grandchild, you and that grandchild are first cousins twice removed. Et cetera. Let's look at the original question. You have a 10th cousin once removed. Two cases arise: you and that cousin's parent are 10th cousins (the cousin is the child of your 10th cousin), or that cousin and your parent are 10th cousins (you are the child of that cousin's 10th cousin). In either case, the "once removed" occurs because you're displaced from each other by a generation. Note that this is the genealogical definition of cousins and removals. Anthropologists, for example don't use the "removed" at all and number the cousin relationships differently. (I've had some wonderful disputes with my brother, an anthropologist, about this very issue.) Furthermore, in some cultures, no matter how distant the cousinship is, a cousin is a cousin without all this numeric stuff. But we're talking genealogy here. So we'll use the genealogy definitions. If you're still confused, I'm sure that Rootsweb has an excellent explanation in its files. Hope this helped. Coralie J. Allen ggggg granddaughter of Isaiah Carpenter of Shaftsbury, VT

    08/19/2004 08:35:29
    1. Re: cousin removed - better chart
    2. John R Carpenter 2
    3. Hello, Here is a better chart. http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm On both charts you need to project it out to the 10th cousin. The 10th cuz relation is from the 9th Great Grandson or Daughter. Once removed is from the 9th Great Grandson or Daughter's siblings. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: cousin removed > Can some one explain what it means to have a 10 cousin once removed. I have > forgotten > John L. in NH >

    08/19/2004 05:38:02
    1. Re: cousin removed - online chart
    2. John R Carpenter 2
    3. Hello, Check out the online chart at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vatgs/cousins_chart.htm John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA PS I got the package! Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: cousin removed > Can some one explain what it means to have a 10 cousin once removed. I have > forgotten > John L. in NH >

    08/19/2004 05:29:41
    1. Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V04 #95
    2. THANKS FOR UPDATING ME ON cousin removed evryone

    08/18/2004 05:53:46
    1. cousin removed
    2. Can some one explain what it means to have a 10 cousin once removed. I have forgotten John L. in NH

    08/17/2004 06:42:11
    1. old English wills online
    2. The National Archives in England has recently published the images of more than a million old English wills online. See: _http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp_ (http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp)

    08/15/2004 06:05:37
    1. Re: Carpenters of Herkimer County, NY
    2. Iris, Those you identify as William and Jothan Carpenter (father and son) of Russia, Herkimer Co., N.Y., were actually Warren and Jotham, respectively. Warren's father, JOHN CARPENTER of Swansea, Mass., married at Tiverton, Mass. (now R.I.), 6 May 1722, SARAH HILLARD, born at Little Compton, Mass. (now R.I.), 28 June 1692, dau. of William and Deborah (Warren) Hill(i)ard, formerly of Hingham, Mass. (Amos B. Carpenter's volume fails to mention the Carpenter-Hillard marriage and confuses this family with that of another John Carpenter. For Hillard ancestry, the family of John and Sarah Carpenter, and those of their three sons [incl. Warren], see Victor Grant Hillard Jr., "William Hillard of Duxbury, Massachusetts," THE MAYFLOWER DESCENDANT 49[2000]:95-100, 51[2002]:120-22; Eugene Cole Zubrinsky, "Three John Carpenters: A Chain of Mistaken Identities," pub. pending [THE NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL REGISTER 159(January 2005)]; for parentage/ancestry of John Carpenter of Swansea, see Zubrinsky, "Three John Carpenters." Both articles cite primary sources.) WARREN CARPENTER, son of John and Sarah (Hillard) Carpenter, was born at Swansea, 26 January 1731/2, and died at Russia, Herkimer Co., N.Y., between 16 March 1813 (will) and 2 May 1815 (probate recorded [probate date not given]); he married at Swansea, 21 August 1755, REBECCA HORTON. JOTHAM CARPENTER, son of Warren and Rebecca (Horton) Carpenter, was 60-69 in 1830 (U.S. Census, Russia) and 70-79 in 1840 (U.S. Census, Lockport, Niagara Co., N.Y. [also res. Royalton, Niagara Co. (bro. Warren's widow Jerusha's Rev. War Pension File W16886)]); he married DORCAS ______, who died at Russia, 9 August 1825, aged 53. Gene Z. Orig. message: > Hi Carpenter list, > Could someone tell me if there are any Carpenter books or anyone researching > the Carpenter's of Herkimer County, NY. > I found on the internet a small amount of information in The History in > Russia, Herkimer County, NY. > I'm researching William Carpenter 1743 died before 1815 + Rebecca > Jothan Carpenter abt. 1770, died bet. 1840-1851 + Dorcas > Nathan Millington Carpenter 11 Arp. 1816-1818 died 18 Dec. 1895 in Mercer > Co. IL. + Amanda A.Welch > I have information and photos' of Mannon Cemetery, New Boston Twp. Mercer > County, IL. > Son Hiram C. Carpenter is my grandfather. > Thanks for any additional Information or suggestions. > Would like to exchange inf. > Iris

    08/11/2004 10:58:37
    1. Carpenter's of Herkimer County, NY.
    2. IRIS L M MILLER
    3. Hi Carpenter list, Could someone tell me if there are any Carpenter books or anyone researching the Carpenter's of Herkimer County, NY. I found on the internet a small amount of information in The History in Russia, Herkimer County, NY. I'm researching William Carpenter 1743 died before 1815 + Rebecca Jothan Carpenter abt. 1770, died bet. 1840-1851 + Dorcas Nathan Millington Carpenter 11 Arp. 1816-1818 died 18 Dec. 1895 in Mercer Co. IL. + Amanda A.Welch I have information and photos' of Mannon Cemetery, New Boston Twp. Mercer County, IL. Son Hiram C. Carpenter is my grandfather. Thanks for any additional Information or suggestions. Would like to exchange inf. Iris

    08/11/2004 03:56:00
    1. Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, Stafford Co., Virginia
    2. Robert and Sue Carpenter
    3. David, Thanks for the kind words. I always fear when I print something that readers will make conclusions not intended. I also think it is wise to document, document, document. The reader can go behind the researcher to determine whether the sources used are quality. Again thanks for the kind words. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: "Robert and Sue Carpenter" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, Stafford Co., Virginia > Just for the record, Robert your book never > confused me about Yelverton, and couldn't confuse > any objective researcher. The tentative > placement of Yelverton in your book is clearly > noted as unproved. In remarking about bringing a > higher standard for proof to Carpenter family > history research, I should have gone on to say > "on the internet." The problem is on the internet > where people state relationships as though they > are proved, when in fact they are not proved, and > others pick it up and repeat it without sourcing > their data. Your book is exceptionally well > researched and you don't draw final conclusions > without clear and documented proof. Researchers > on the internet need to follow your lead, and > clearly identify unproved placements. That's > what Laurie is doing, and I'm sure we all hope to > see more of that. > > Dave > > --- Robert and Sue Carpenter > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I am one of the people who confused everyone > > about the ancestry of Yelverton > > Carpenter. When I did my book, Carpenters A > > Plenty, in the 1980's I > > corresponded with a number of descendants of > > Yelverton. All thought he was > > German. His movement from NC to SC and then to > > Tennessee seemed to mirror > > other Carpenters I was tracing. > > > > So I suggested that he might be related and > > showed how he might be related > > to the Carpenter/Zimmermans I was tracing. I > > really put a "?" next to his > > name and his lineage number in my book. I > > never made the conclusion that he > > was related to our family and that I had proven > > his relationship. I printed > > what I had in hopes that someone could prove or > > disprove it. > > > > I am very happy now that the DNA project has > > disproven that he was a > > Zimmerman. I have had great difficulty in > > locating primary source > > documentation of Stephen Carpenter. I found > > Reuben and Fielding and > > Yelverton. I have had lots of trouble locating > > anything on Stephen. I > > suspected after printing Carpenters A Plenty > > that Stephen may have birthed a > > number of these mountain NC, Tennessee, and > > Kentucky Carpenters. But > > without finding a will, estate papers, or > > almost anything on Stephen making > > the case was really hard. I also suspected, > > now incorrectly, that Stephen > > and his sons were somehow related to the > > Mathias Zimmerman of Stokes, then > > Yancey County, NC. Mathias was not a Moravian > > and I still wonder if he is > > related to my Zimmerman family. Maybe the DNA > > project will solve that one > > too. > > > > For the record my book and my research involved > > the Zimmermans who arrived > > on the ship Pink Plaisance in 1732, who lived > > until the 1750's in Lancaster > > County, Pa, who moved in the middle 1750's to > > Lincoln County, NC, and whose > > descendants spread throughout NC and the west. > > All the family changed their > > name to Carpenter. > > > > I am very pleased that the ancestry of > > Yelverton, Fielding, Reuben, and > > others is now secure. I am glad that this > > information was shared on this > > list. > > > > Robert Carpenter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Greenwood" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary > > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, > > Stafford Co., Virginia > > > > > > > Laurie, > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. I research > > southern > > > lines of germanic origin and would certainly > > be > > > very pleased to know that Stephen has been > > > positively linked, since he has at times been > > > said to have a germanic connection through > > > Yelverton Carpenter, which has not been borne > > out > > > by more recent research. It is good to see > > > serious researchers like you bringing a > > higher > > > standard for proof to Carpenter family > > history > > > research. > > > > > > I might point out in case the transcript of > > the > > > Overwharton Parish records you have does not > > > include it, that the same records that show > > the > > > birth of John's and Mary's son Charles > > Carpenter > > > on 6 September 1756, go on to show that > > Charles > > > died 10 October 1756, so there is no > > connection > > > between this Charles and any living Charles > > > subsequent to that date. > > > > > > Again, thanks for your reply, and best wishes > > for > > > success in your search. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello David and fellow researchers, > > > > > > > > Please excuse me for not stating that the > > > > Stephen Carpenter who went to NC, > > > > GA, and TN, is assumed to be the son > > (Stephen) > > > > of John and Mary b. June 24, > > > > 1737. > > > > As most researchers of Stephen Carpenter > > > > (NC>GA>TN) have found, it has been > > > > a tough road in the locating of written > > > > documentation as well as census and > > > > marriage/death records or wills and most of > > us > > > > have yet to prove his > > > > children. > > > > > > > > What has drawn me to researching John and > > Mary > > > > of Overwharton Parish, > > > > Stafford Co., Virginia, is the conclusion > > that > > > > the CARPENTER Y-DNA project > > > > (see Carpenter Southern Cousins Y-DNA > > project > > > > by Terry Lee Carpenter) has > > > > found there to be an exact match between > > > > Stephen of NC, GA and TN to that > > > > of Benjamin Carpenter of Amherst Co., > > Virginia. > > > > It is also assumed that > > > > Benjamin of Amherst was the son of John and > > > > Mary as well born Oct. 5, 1746. > > > > > > > > A Couple of other matches with Stephen and > > > > Benjamin is Temple Carpenter (b. > > > > abt. 1769 NC) who is assumed to have been > > the > > > > son of Thomas Owen Carpenter > > > > (b. abt. 1740) of Moore Co., North Carolina > > and > > > > Reuben Carpenter b. abt. > > > > 1776. who died in South Carolina. > > > > > > > > As I have planned for a trip to Virginia > > and > > > > the Carolina's in the Fall. I > > > > am looking to gather more information prior > > to > > > > my leaving, in hopes to > > > > narrow down searching for documents and > > saving > > > > sometime. In prior search of > > > > documents, I have found connections, clues > > as > > > > well as proof in searching > > > > back further. Hoping that something here > > may > > > > pan out as well. *Keeping > > > > fingers crossed* > > > > > > > > I would like to THANK Terry Carpenter for > > his > > > > wonderful summary to the > > > > Southern Carpenter lines, as well as John > > > > Carpenter for all his work on the > > > > Carpenter DNA project. I am sure that I am > > not > > > > the only one who greatly > > > > appreciates all the work the two of you > > have > > > > done for this group. > > > > > > > > Now just to convince my own brother to > > > > participate in Y-DNA project so he > > > > doesn't feel someone is just trying to > > clone > > > > him. (ha ha) > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Greenwood" > > <[email protected]> > > > > To: "L Carpenter" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:55 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary > > > > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, > > > > Stafford Co., Virginia > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Regarding your statement "Stephen went on > > to > > > > > North Carolina, Georgia and then to > > > > Tennessee", I > > > > > am very interested in how you proved that > > > > Stephen > > > > > Carpenter is identical to the one born > > 1737 > > > > in > > > > > Overwharton Parish. Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > David Greenwood > > > > > > > > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello fellow list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to share some information I > > > > came > > > > > > across that I have not seen posted > > anywhere > > > > in > > > > > > regards to this couple and line. > > > > > > > > > > > > John and Mary Carpenter of Overwharton > > > > Parish, > > > > > > Stafford County, Virginia had the > > following > > > > > > children listed in the Overwharton > > Parish > > > > > > Records for 1720-1760. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Carpenter born June 24, 1737 > > > > > > John Carpenter born May 15, 1739 > > > > > > William Carpenter born May 5, 1742 > > > > > > Thomas Carpenter born August 7, 1744 > > > > > > Benjamin Carpenter b. October 5, 1746 > > > > > > Ann (Nanny) Carpenter born October 16, > > 1748 > > > > > > George Carpenter born March 24, 1753 > > > > > > Charles Carpenter born September 6, > > 1756 > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to gather more information > > on > > > > the > > > > > > above individuals if anyone has > > something > > > > to > > > > > > share. > > > > > > > > > > > > As most know, Stephen went on to North > > > > > > Carolina, Georgia and then to Tennessee > > > > where > > > > > > he is said to have died. As for the > > others, > > > > I > > > > > > have just came across this information > > and > > > > am > > > > > > just beginning to research more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best > > spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB > > messages! > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > ===== > Dave > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/11/2004 02:55:23
    1. Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, Stafford Co., Virginia
    2. David Greenwood
    3. Just for the record, Robert your book never confused me about Yelverton, and couldn't confuse any objective researcher. The tentative placement of Yelverton in your book is clearly noted as unproved. In remarking about bringing a higher standard for proof to Carpenter family history research, I should have gone on to say "on the internet." The problem is on the internet where people state relationships as though they are proved, when in fact they are not proved, and others pick it up and repeat it without sourcing their data. Your book is exceptionally well researched and you don't draw final conclusions without clear and documented proof. Researchers on the internet need to follow your lead, and clearly identify unproved placements. That's what Laurie is doing, and I'm sure we all hope to see more of that. Dave --- Robert and Sue Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear List, > > I am one of the people who confused everyone > about the ancestry of Yelverton > Carpenter. When I did my book, Carpenters A > Plenty, in the 1980's I > corresponded with a number of descendants of > Yelverton. All thought he was > German. His movement from NC to SC and then to > Tennessee seemed to mirror > other Carpenters I was tracing. > > So I suggested that he might be related and > showed how he might be related > to the Carpenter/Zimmermans I was tracing. I > really put a "?" next to his > name and his lineage number in my book. I > never made the conclusion that he > was related to our family and that I had proven > his relationship. I printed > what I had in hopes that someone could prove or > disprove it. > > I am very happy now that the DNA project has > disproven that he was a > Zimmerman. I have had great difficulty in > locating primary source > documentation of Stephen Carpenter. I found > Reuben and Fielding and > Yelverton. I have had lots of trouble locating > anything on Stephen. I > suspected after printing Carpenters A Plenty > that Stephen may have birthed a > number of these mountain NC, Tennessee, and > Kentucky Carpenters. But > without finding a will, estate papers, or > almost anything on Stephen making > the case was really hard. I also suspected, > now incorrectly, that Stephen > and his sons were somehow related to the > Mathias Zimmerman of Stokes, then > Yancey County, NC. Mathias was not a Moravian > and I still wonder if he is > related to my Zimmerman family. Maybe the DNA > project will solve that one > too. > > For the record my book and my research involved > the Zimmermans who arrived > on the ship Pink Plaisance in 1732, who lived > until the 1750's in Lancaster > County, Pa, who moved in the middle 1750's to > Lincoln County, NC, and whose > descendants spread throughout NC and the west. > All the family changed their > name to Carpenter. > > I am very pleased that the ancestry of > Yelverton, Fielding, Reuben, and > others is now secure. I am glad that this > information was shared on this > list. > > Robert Carpenter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Greenwood" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, > Stafford Co., Virginia > > > > Laurie, > > > > Thank you for your reply. I research > southern > > lines of germanic origin and would certainly > be > > very pleased to know that Stephen has been > > positively linked, since he has at times been > > said to have a germanic connection through > > Yelverton Carpenter, which has not been borne > out > > by more recent research. It is good to see > > serious researchers like you bringing a > higher > > standard for proof to Carpenter family > history > > research. > > > > I might point out in case the transcript of > the > > Overwharton Parish records you have does not > > include it, that the same records that show > the > > birth of John's and Mary's son Charles > Carpenter > > on 6 September 1756, go on to show that > Charles > > died 10 October 1756, so there is no > connection > > between this Charles and any living Charles > > subsequent to that date. > > > > Again, thanks for your reply, and best wishes > for > > success in your search. > > > > Dave > > > > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hello David and fellow researchers, > > > > > > Please excuse me for not stating that the > > > Stephen Carpenter who went to NC, > > > GA, and TN, is assumed to be the son > (Stephen) > > > of John and Mary b. June 24, > > > 1737. > > > As most researchers of Stephen Carpenter > > > (NC>GA>TN) have found, it has been > > > a tough road in the locating of written > > > documentation as well as census and > > > marriage/death records or wills and most of > us > > > have yet to prove his > > > children. > > > > > > What has drawn me to researching John and > Mary > > > of Overwharton Parish, > > > Stafford Co., Virginia, is the conclusion > that > > > the CARPENTER Y-DNA project > > > (see Carpenter Southern Cousins Y-DNA > project > > > by Terry Lee Carpenter) has > > > found there to be an exact match between > > > Stephen of NC, GA and TN to that > > > of Benjamin Carpenter of Amherst Co., > Virginia. > > > It is also assumed that > > > Benjamin of Amherst was the son of John and > > > Mary as well born Oct. 5, 1746. > > > > > > A Couple of other matches with Stephen and > > > Benjamin is Temple Carpenter (b. > > > abt. 1769 NC) who is assumed to have been > the > > > son of Thomas Owen Carpenter > > > (b. abt. 1740) of Moore Co., North Carolina > and > > > Reuben Carpenter b. abt. > > > 1776. who died in South Carolina. > > > > > > As I have planned for a trip to Virginia > and > > > the Carolina's in the Fall. I > > > am looking to gather more information prior > to > > > my leaving, in hopes to > > > narrow down searching for documents and > saving > > > sometime. In prior search of > > > documents, I have found connections, clues > as > > > well as proof in searching > > > back further. Hoping that something here > may > > > pan out as well. *Keeping > > > fingers crossed* > > > > > > I would like to THANK Terry Carpenter for > his > > > wonderful summary to the > > > Southern Carpenter lines, as well as John > > > Carpenter for all his work on the > > > Carpenter DNA project. I am sure that I am > not > > > the only one who greatly > > > appreciates all the work the two of you > have > > > done for this group. > > > > > > Now just to convince my own brother to > > > participate in Y-DNA project so he > > > doesn't feel someone is just trying to > clone > > > him. (ha ha) > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Greenwood" > <[email protected]> > > > To: "L Carpenter" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary > > > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, > > > Stafford Co., Virginia > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Regarding your statement "Stephen went on > to > > > > North Carolina, Georgia and then to > > > Tennessee", I > > > > am very interested in how you proved that > > > Stephen > > > > Carpenter is identical to the one born > 1737 > > > in > > > > Overwharton Parish. Thank you, > > > > > > > > David Greenwood > > > > > > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello fellow list members, > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to share some information I > > > came > > > > > across that I have not seen posted > anywhere > > > in > > > > > regards to this couple and line. > > > > > > > > > > John and Mary Carpenter of Overwharton > > > Parish, > > > > > Stafford County, Virginia had the > following > > > > > children listed in the Overwharton > Parish > > > > > Records for 1720-1760. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Carpenter born June 24, 1737 > > > > > John Carpenter born May 15, 1739 > > > > > William Carpenter born May 5, 1742 > > > > > Thomas Carpenter born August 7, 1744 > > > > > Benjamin Carpenter b. October 5, 1746 > > > > > Ann (Nanny) Carpenter born October 16, > 1748 > > > > > George Carpenter born March 24, 1753 > > > > > Charles Carpenter born September 6, > 1756 > > > > > > > > > > I would like to gather more information > on > > > the > > > > > above individuals if anyone has > something > > > to > > > > > share. > > > > > > > > > > As most know, Stephen went on to North > > > > > Carolina, Georgia and then to Tennessee > > > where > > > > > he is said to have died. As for the > others, > > > I > > > > > have just came across this information > and > > > am > > > > > just beginning to research more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > > > > > > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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    08/10/2004 09:07:09
    1. John CARPENTER md Mary FISHER
    2. Phil McCue
    3. Does anyone have any information on John CARPENTER who married Mary FISHER on 12/8/1795 in Davidson County, TN? I'm wondering where this CARPENTER was born and any names of children. Thanks, Debbie McCue

    08/10/2004 02:11:50
    1. Jacob Carpenter & Harriet Adkinson
    2. I'm trying to locate information on Jacob Carpenter b. abt 1856 in England, and married Harriet Adkinson in 1879 in West Bromwich. They had the following children: John H. b. May 1879 married Tansley Harriet b. abt 1881 married Truman Samuel b. abt. 1884 Minnie Maria b. abt. 1886 married Turner William b. abt 1889 James b. abt. 1891 married Victoria Crescent George b abt. 1894 Emma b. abt 1896 married Slaney Frederick b. abt 1897 Mary b. abt 1900 married Morrison I am at a dead end. Any help? I would really appreciate it. Bobi

    08/10/2004 11:39:24
    1. (no subject)
    2. > Hi I am researching the Carpenter family, My Grt Grt Grandfather William > who came from Cornwall England in 1856, he was married to an Elizabeth Crase! > The couple I have listed below may or may not be the 2 I am looking for! Can > you tell me if you or any other people you know of have any knowledge of the > Carpenters who migrated to Australia? I have been told that some of our family > migrated to America, but so far I have no material evidence of that! thank > you Marilyn Carpenter [email protected]_ > (mailto:[email protected]) (don't you think that it is kinda strange that I have chosen > providence as my email address?) > > > Found the following information at the FH library today for a William and > Elizabeth CARPENTER, don't know if it is your William and Elizabeth CARPENTER. >

    08/10/2004 06:21:34