My great grandfather was Thomas Jay Turner. His birth parents were Thomas J. and Helen Carpenter. Helen died 3 weeks after giving birth to my great grandfather. Thomas Jay Turner was never legally adopted by the Turner family who raised him after his mother died but he still took their last name. I am looking for any information on Thomas J. and Helen Carpenter. They were both born in 1841. At one point they were living in Newfield, Tompkins County, New York. Their other children were Mary, George, Helen, and Amy. Thomas J. Carpenter remarried to Margaret Swartout and they had a child together named Frank H. Carpenter. Thomas, Helen, and Margaret are all buried at Ridge (Vary) Cemetery in Veteran, Chemung County, New York. I hope someone can help me. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Wondering if somebody with this book (or another good source) might be able to look up a Caleb Carpenter that married Sybil Knapp? Probably married around 1730-40 in New York (Westchester County)? They apparently had a son named Caleb that lived in North Castle as well. This is Sybil's brother's will: "I, DANIEL KNAPP, of Harrison's Purchase, in Westchester County, being weak in body. December 21, 1775. All debts to be paid. I leave to my wife Anna, and my dear daughter Amy, each 1/2 of my estate. If my daughter Amy dies under age, then her part to go to my nephews, Timothy and Gabriel Knapp, sons of my brother, Gabriel Knapp, and to my nephews, Gabriel and Amy Carpenter, children of my sister Syby, and to my niece Syby, wife of Peter Deshere, and daughter of my brother Amos Knapp. I make my nephew, Caleb Carpenter, of North Castle, and my relation, Roger Purdy, Jr., son of Roger Purdy, of Harrison's Purchase, executors." I know of the Caleb Carpenter that married Ame Carpenter (and later Zipporah Carpenter) and lived in North Castle, but this is the first I've learned of this other Caleb Carpenter in North Castle so I'm wondering if the "Carpenter Family in America" holds any clues about this other Caleb Carpenter (Jr. & Sr.), husband & son of Sybil Knapp. Thanks! Scott __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com

Benjamin Carpenter born 1737 in North Castle Westchester Co. NY married about 1758 Mary Searles. The Rhode Island Carpenter genealogy says only that she is the caughter of John Searles. Does anyone know anything about her parents? Sorry I didn't give my name in last query about Elijah Carpenter. Margot Gifford

Elijah Carpenter born 22 Jan 1751/52 son of Benedict and Abigail Horton Carpenter married Louise Haydock 25 Jan 1779 and later moved to Plattekill Ulster Co. NY. The Carpenter genealogy names only 3 children Hannah, Haydock and Abigail. Were there other children?

Subject: Black History Conference, April 2005 Please post and share the following notice! Mark your calendar 28th Annual Conference on Black History in Pennsylvania April 20-23, 2005 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania "A Historic Black Capital of America" The Conference on Black History in Pennsylvania is an annual event sponsored by the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission, the African American Museum in Philadelphia, Atwater Kent Museum, Greater Philadelphia Tourism Marketing Corp., and Pennsylvania Council for the Arts, PHEAA, the Philadelphia Tribune and other local and state organizations. The keynote speaker for this conference will be Donna Brazile, a senior fellow at the Academy of Leadership, University of Maryland, and was recently appointed as national chair of the Voting Rights Institute, the Democratic Party's major initiative to promote and protect the right to vote. Brazile is also an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University. Other featured speakers are Deborah Willis, Ph. D., Tisch School of the Arts and Africana Studies, New York University. Most recently she was a Visiting Professor Princeton University and the Lehman Brady Chair in Documentary and American Studies at Duke University and the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. Manning Marable, Ph. D., Professor of History and Political Science and Founding Director of the Institute for Research in African American Studies, Columbia University. In 2001, he initiated the Malcolm X Project at Columbia University, and Richard Dozier an architect and architectural historian, is professor of Architecture at Florida A&M University. Before coming to FAMU, he was chair of the Architecture Program at Tuskegee University and a professor at Yale University School of Architecture. He holds the Bachelor of Architecture from Yale University and the Doctor of Architecture from University of Michigan. He was one of two architects selected by the U. S. Department of Interior to assess threatened structures at 12 Historically Black Colleges and Universities. The Conference focuses on different aspects of Pennsylvania's African American heritage. One special event will be a bus tour of black Philadelphia lead by Charles Blockson to visit and learn about many of this nation's most significant historic sites and national treasures. Walking tours thought the historic Sixth Street Corridor, the Liberty Bell, the site of the first White House and burial ground of the enslaved by George Washington, tours of the first African American churches, the African American Museum, Atwater Kent Museum and the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. Sessions will be held at many historic sites, including Mother Bethel AME Church and the Legendary Blue Horizon. Cultural events will include a concert with jazz great, Dianne Reeves and Little Jimmy Scott, at the Kimmel Center, Friday Night Jazz at the Art Museum of Philadelphia, and many more events to highlight the cultural life of Black Philadelphia. Seating is limited for some tours, to reserve your places, please email or call, Karen James-717-783-9871 or [email protected] Special thanks to the 2005 Philadelphia Local Arrangements Committee Members and related Institutions who are ensuring that this will be a memorable conference.

Theory: Was their mother a Zimmerman?

Bob wrote: > 1. Christian "CZ" Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. 1720 and died 4 May 1800 in NC > 2. Jacob Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. 1734 and died 3 May 1807 in NC > 3. Peter Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. 1736 and died 1 April 1817 in NC > 4. Johannes Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. about 1755, and died 3 April 1809 > > Would appreciate any relational information on these named individuals. For the benefit of those who haven't been keeping up with the Carpenter DNA project, I should point out that a descendant of #1 and a descendant of #3 have had their DNA tested, and the two match 24/25. This close agreement shows that the two are related, but it doesn't (and can't) show exactly what the relationship is. That's why it's necessary to seek out clues to the nature of the link. Meanwhile, although Bob didn't mention it, it would be very useful if a direct male-line descendant of #2 or #4 came foreward for testing. The results could show that all four are indeed related somehow, or it could show they are *not* related. John Chandler

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Blood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Benjamin CARPENTER of Guilford , VT >I came across a Benjamin CARPENTER who was the Representative from >Guilford (along with John Barney) at the 4 Jun 1777 Convention at >Windsor, VT created to a form a state government. Who is this Benjamin >CARPENTER? Hi Peter He was a son of Edward & Elizabeth Wilson CARPENTER b 1725/6 ,eldest of 5. He married his cousin Amie CARPENTER ......... See page 125 of the Carpenter Memorial book . They had 12 children He has quite an impressively worded headstone on his grave that was still standing as of some 6 years go Born in Rehoboth 1726, Magistrate of Rhode Island 1764 A public teacher of rightousness An able advocate to his last for democracy Removed to this town ( Guilford VT) 1770 A fiels officer in the Revolutionary War A founder of the first constitution and government of Vermont A councillor of Censors 1783 A member of the Council and Lieutenant Governor 1779 Left this world and 146 descendants 20 Mar 1804 aged 78 yrs, 10 months and 2 days Stature 6' weight 200 Death had no terror And is my husbands 5 x gt grandfather Bye MargM Carpenters of Rehoboth Down -under Beautiful Central Coast of NSW Australia

The following is excerpted from Abby Maria Hemenway, ed., _Vermont Historical Gazetteer, Volume V, The Towns of Windham County_, pt. 3 (Brandon, Vt., 1891), 3-80, at 8, online at _http://www.rootsweb.com/~vtwindha/vt_gazetteer-guilford.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~vtwindha/vt_gazetteer-guilford.htm) . The Hon. Benjamin CARPENTER, was a member of the first convention in Vermont, held at Dorset in 1770. In those trying times with the brave sons of the Green Mountains, when they had not only to oppose the powerful state of New York, the claims of New Hampshire and Massachusetts, the tories and Yorkers at home, and the menacing threats of Congress abroad: but the power of his Majesty's legions in war, that brave patriot with an allowance of three days' provisions upon his back, would cross the Green Mountains on foot by marked trees, to attend the legislature at Bennington, for the purpose of devising ways and means of defense against all the enemies of the state. As delegate to the Assembly, as a member of the Council of Safety, as Lieut. Governor of the State, he deservedly holds a conspicuous place in the early history of the state. Upon a large white marble tombstone in the west part of Guilford, is the following inscription: ... [Three others listed first.] Sacred to the memory of the Hon. Benjamine CARPENTER, Esq. Born in Rehoboth, Mass. A.D. 1726 A magistrate in Rhode Island in 1764. A public teacher of righteousness An able--eble advocate to his last for Democracy And the equal rights of a man. Removed to this town A.D. 1770, Was a field officer in the Revolutionary War. A founder of the first constitution and government of Vermont. A councilor of censors in A.D. 1794. A member of the council, and Lieut. Governor of the state in A.D. 1779. A firm professor of Christianity in the Baptist church 50 years. Left this world and 146 persons of lineal posterity. March 29, 1804 Aged 78 years, 10 months and 12 days with a strong Mind and a full faith of a more Glorious state hereafter. Stature about six feet--weight 200 Death had no terror. While Rehoboth vital records fail to list a Benjamin Carpenter born in the mid 1820s, someone of that name was born at adjacent Swansea on 17 May 1725, which fits perfectly with the Guilford man's age at death. The son of Edward5 (Benjamin4, Joseph3, William2-1) and Elizabeth (Wilson) Carpenter, he married at Providence, R.I., 13 October 1745, Amey/Anne Carpenter (both of Rehoboth); the births of their first four children are recorded at Warren, R.I. Gene Z. In a message dated 11/18/2004 9:17:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I came across a Benjamin CARPENTER who was the Representative from Guilford (along with John Barney) at the 4 Jun 1777 Convention at Windsor, VT created to a form a state government. Who is this Benjamin CARPENTER? Parents? Siblings? My source is page 273 of the following: Peter Blood Main Author: Vermont. Office of Secretary of State. Title: A list of the principal civil officers of Vermont from 1777 to 1918 : being a revision and enlargement of "Deming's Vermont officers." / edited by John Comstock under the direction of the secretary of state. Published: St. Albans, Vt., St. Albans messenger co., publishers, 1918. Description: 411 p. 23 cm.

Benjamin Carpenter was the 1 st Lt Gov of Vermont his house still standing in Guilford VT I have been ther have photos and Grave site also John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Web pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks > > http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

Connie ,there is a book on Scott Carpenter His real name is Malcom Scott Carpenter Scott Carpenter's memoirs "For Spacious Skies: The Uncommon Journey of a Mercury Astronaut," by Scott Carpenter and Kris Stoever, Harcourt, 370 pages, $26. lots of pictures of family write me for his file anyone interested John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Web pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks > > http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

I came across a Benjamin CARPENTER who was the Representative from Guilford (along with John Barney) at the 4 Jun 1777 Convention at Windsor, VT created to a form a state government. Who is this Benjamin CARPENTER? Parents? Siblings? My source is page 273 of the following: Peter Blood Main Author: Vermont. Office of Secretary of State. Title: A list of the principal civil officers of Vermont from 1777 to 1918 : being a revision and enlargement of "Deming's Vermont officers." / edited by John Comstock under the direction of the secretary of state. Published: St. Albans, Vt., St. Albans messenger co., publishers, 1918. Description: 411 p. 23 cm.

I have info for Jamie Young who's return e mail was [email protected] _ (mailto:[email protected] ) returned e mail e mail dont exist please have her contact me again John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Web pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks > > http://homepages.msn.com/PicnicPl/jcarp45

Zimmerman/Carpenter Query There are four individuals that could be brothers, half-brothers or maybe even cousins. Proof has been found that proves Johannes as the son of Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702. Unable to determine relationship of these four people. 1. Christian "CZ" Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. 1720 and died 4 May 1800 in NC 2. Jacob Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. 1734 and died 3 May 1807 in NC 3. Peter Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. 1736 and died 1 April 1817 in NC 4. Johannes Zimmerman/Carpenter, b. about 1755, and died 3 April 1809 Would appreciate any relational information on these named individuals. Thanks Bob Carpenter

Hello! Below are 4 announcements from FTDNA. FTDNA has extended the matching gifts for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA General Fund until the end of November. If you can spare $5.00, $10.00 or even $25.00 it would help! If you would like to donate in the name of some one, We can honor that! If some one - business type? - would like the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA General Fund named after them - We can honor that too! I am working on a nice certificate for those that donate! The Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project web page has been updated! See ... http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm I hope every one has survived the Elections and Halloween! I'm looking forward to Thanksgiving! Is it not amazing that Our Founding Fathers chose to have National Elections on the first Tuesday of November - just after Halloween and All Saints Day!? I guess this allows the politicians to trick and treat us for a while ... I guess in days of yore, like today, some times if would take a while for the votes to be counted and certified state by state in the Electoral College. Is it not truly prescient of Our Founding Fathers to give us a Day of Thanksgiving on the last Thursday of November after the dust has settled?! Take care everyone! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:03 PM Subject: Four announcements > To Carpenter group manager, > > a) Matching gift and more: after the launch of the General Fund, many of > you e-mailed me and asked if it would be possible for contributions to be > made in memory, or in honor of a specific person. Others asked if the > entire General Fund could be named in memory of a specific person. Our > answer is yes to both alternatives. We are adding a field in the ordering > page in case you want to honor a specific person with your donation. And, > in case you want your entire General Fund to be named after someone, > please let me know, and I will create a specific Contribution page that > will have the person's name. In conjuction with that, we are continuing > our matching gift offer until the end of > November;(www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html) > > b) mtDNA promotion: Responding to our customers' requests, we have decided > to extend the promotion on the mtDNA tests and bundles to the end of > November. Please make your participants or potential participants aware of > this extension; (http://www.familytreedna.com/mtDNA_promo.asp) > > c) The same is valid fo our "Haplogroup Challenge", which will also be > offered for $50 until the end of November: if we are wrong in our > prediction of any testee's Haplogroup, we will test until we have the > correct Haplogroup assigned; > > a) Our newest updated version of the Y-chromosome Haplogroup chart that > was presented at our Conference is now for sale. It is a color coded wall > chart. You can see it and order at the Haplogroup area of the personal > pages; > > Thank you for your continued support! > > E-mail me any time! > > Max Blankfeld > Vice-President, Operations and Marketing > http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com > "History Unearthed Daily" > [email protected] > 713-868-1438 >

Scott Carpenter was one of them. There's a biography of him here that includes his mother's maiden name: http://www.hq.asa.gov/office/pao/History/40thmerc7/bios.htm Does anyone know who his other Carpenter ancestors are? Connie

Just my opinion Yes, we all agree that this is for genealogy purposes only and please don't reply to this e mail. I just wanted to say that I am the administrator for another list, and to the best of our ability some of this spam get in our mailing list. All I can say is just delete it and move on. We would all suffur if just one of us decided to unsubcribe due to the spam mail. I didn't want to send this to the list but in the same breath I didn't want to loose anyone! Again, don't respond to this e mail just delete and move on, Please.and Thank you,, Chuck

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This is a minor and general point but "average life expectancy" can be a somewhat misleading term. It is not all the longer people expected to live or what they considered old age. There have always been people living to the same ages we regard as very old today. Just not so many people did live so long. The averages of centuries past are brought down by all the infant and women's childbirth mortality as well as that from other infections and diseases that killed otherwise healthy people at young ages before antibiotics and immunizations, etc. If a person survived childhood and managed to avoid infectious diseases one could still have a reasonable expectation to live to be 70 or 75 or even more. There was less heart disease than today--President Eisenhower's physician reportedly said that during his medical education in the early part of the 20th century a heart attack was considered a rare event. Supposedly the American diet changed for the worse in the 1890s with a sharp increase in sugar consumption and 20 years later the increase in heart attacks began. Food for thought anyway... : ) --Pam Berger ----- > > As the average life span was 45-50 years, I would doubt that ONLY men of considerable years would be appointed churchwardens.

<< As the average life span was 45-50 years, I would doubt that ONLY men of considerable years would be appointed churchwardens. >> Average life *expectancy* (which I'm sure was intended) was greatly affected in the 17th century by very high infant and maternal mortality rates. But since a high fertility rate tended to balance the high infant mortality rate, an ample number of males survived infancy (and childhood, etc.) to reach the ages I have associated with the typical churchwarden. (It's nevertheless my impression that women who died of natural causes tended to outlive men, then as now.) << Also,there are typically 2 wardens, a senior warden and a junior warden. In the Church nowadays, the titles senior and junior warden are still utililized, but the distinction has nothing to do with age: it has to do with the traditional and canonical roles assigned to those titles. >> So far as I'm aware, the only distinction in the 17th century between the two churchwardens is that one was chosen by the "incumbent" (priest or vicar), and the other was chosen by the parishioners. In any case, the age issue is secondary. The really telling evidence that William "Crpener" was not William of Rehoboth is the fact that the former man signed with his mark; the latter was both town and proprietors' clerk at Rehoboth and left many books to his children, some of which were in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew. It defies credulity to suppose that he acquired such erudition after 1628, when he was about 23, and up to then couldn't even write his name. Gene Z.