Could Mr. Zubrinsky be so good as to present this particular evidence on this forum? Most helpful would be any evidence BESIDES the often quoted will that mentions "Richard Carpenter of Amesbury." "presents evidence pointing away from Robert Carpenter of Marden, Wiltshire, as the putative father of Richard of Amesbury; introduces other evidence pointing toward the latter man's antecedents' being of Newton Toney (adjacent to Amesbury)" Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter Nara, Japan

For what seems a fine online tutorial in old document reading (English secretary hand), see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/doc7/default.htm BC

Trying to locate Mary Stewart Carpenter's gravesite. She married in 1822, William Carpenter who is buried in Holmes Co. Glenmount cemetery in 1862. She is not shown as buried with him. According to the Tuscarawas County History of 1885, said that she was still living in Holmes Co. The 1870 Census shows her living in Knox County with her daughter. Would anybody have any information about her and where she might be buried or when? We are also trying to establish the link between William and his father Edward, and Edward's father, John Carpenter. The DAR refers to John as the patriot (The DAR has marked John's grave in Coshocton with a marker.) We are trying for DAR/SAR purposes. The Guernsey Co (OH) history of 1943, Stories of Guernsey County, lists William and his brother, John Carpenter, as marrying Mary Stewart and Massy Stewart, sisters. It continues saying they are sons of Edward Carpenter, of Londonderry Township, who is the son of John Carpenter who built Carpenter Fort on the Ohio River. The SAR representative that we met at our local library, says this is not sufficient proof to establish a link. We would need some form of legal documentation. Would appreciate any additional information. Jon & Carol Carpenter

My grandfather, Floyd Houston Carpenter, was born in Henderson County Texas. His father was RS Carpenter. RS Carpenter and Myrtle (I think Cook) had: Floyd Houston Edward Falby and several more children. Does anyone know the antecedents of either RS Carpenter or Myrtle Cook Carpenter? Thanks, Frances Hogan [email protected] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

Hello Ed, The data below will get you started. You can request a copy of his social security application for $27.00. It should have the names of his parents listed. Follow the directions on the web page link below. You also should be able to find him and his parents on the 1920 US Federal census. I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi NameBirthDeathLast ResidenceLast BenefitSSNIssuedTools PAUL F CARPENTER 26 May 1920 19 Jul 1998 (V)18431 (Honesdale, Wayne, PA)(none specified)168-18-3121Pennsylvania (V)=(Verified) Report verified with a family member or someone acting on behalf of a family member ------------------------------------------- FamilySearchT U.S. Social Security Death Index 30 September 2000 Paul CARPENTER Birth Date:26 May 1920 Death Date:19 Jul 1998 Social Security Number: 168-18-3121 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Pennsylvania Death Residence Localities ZIP Code:18431 Localities: Bethany, Wayne, Pennsylvania Honesdale, Wayne, Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Carpenter > Hello, I am new to this list and looking for info. on my grandfather. > (Paul > Carpenter). Born abt 1920 and died abt 1998. I know very little about > him. > Except that he was from the Linglestown area near Harrisburg PA. He may > have > worked as an electrician in the state capital (Harrisburg PA) and drove a > VW > Volkswagen. I would appreciate and help. > Thank you > Ed > [email protected] > >

Hello, I am new to this list and looking for info. on my grandfather. (Paul Carpenter). Born abt 1920 and died abt 1998. I know very little about him. Except that he was from the Linglestown area near Harrisburg PA. He may have worked as an electrician in the state capital (Harrisburg PA) and drove a VW Volkswagen. I would appreciate and help. Thank you Ed [email protected]

Find a previously unknown relative, and fast in 2005! With DNA testing I have been able to go beyond my Great-Grandfather John T. Carpenter to his father Joseph Carpenter and then his grandfather Christian "CZ" Carpenter. Christian’s father or Uncle is Hans Zimmerman who was born in Steffisburg, Bern, Switzerland in 1702 and died on 10 June 1794 in Lincoln County, North Carolina. What makes this connection so strong is that Christian and Hans lived in the same general area in North Carolina. Also, there are many other reasons to believe that they were related. Going beyond these ancestors, however, is going into unproven territory. Yet some authors and fellow Internet Genealogy Researchers have provided some strong leads and possibilities that could lead one further. Namely that Hans (born in 1702) Zimmerman’s father was Peter Zimmerman, born 23 August 1668. This Peter was also born in Steffisburg. Peter’s parents were Hans Zimmerman born on 7 December 1635, and Barbara Gilgan, both born in Steffisburg. Next came Hans’ parents, Christian Zimmerman born 26 February 1609 and Anna Buoss, both born in Steffisburg. Finally, there is Niclaus Zimmerman, born in 1575 and Margaret Püntlisperg, and they also were reported to be born in Steffisburg. Any comments on the above ancestral line would be very helpful. Also, if you possibly fit somewhere in the above Ancestral Line and have documentation to prove it, but are unable to verify the next ancestor. DNA testing may just provide you with the proof necessary to make this connection. Look at it this way, a group of say ten or twelve individuals have proven their ancestry back to say the early 1700's and suspect others with similar names living in the same general areas, or came to the U.S. from the same areas, are also relatives. But they are unable to prove that connection. If these same ten or twelve were to have their DNA tested, the results WOULD prove or disprove this possible connection. Just think where you could be in your research if only five or six people followed up with DNA testing. May you have a Happy New Year! Cousin Bob Carpenter

Hi, Does anyone know who these Carpenters belong to? They are buried in the School Lots Cemetery in Carpenter, OH. On one side of a tall monument it says "father Jeremiah Carpenter died July 23, 1884 aged 81 y 2m 25d" "mother Sarah Ann Simpson wife of J. Carpenter died May 7, 1887 aged 80 y 4m 15 d" On another side it says "children of J. & S.A. Carpenter--Abraham L. born Oct 30, 1825 died Jan 27 1826; William A. born Jan 2, 1827 died July 21, 1827; Sarah A. born Jan 2, 1850 died Jan 3, 1850" These children had individual stones a few feet away. On another side it said "Jeremiah L. Carpenter son of J. & S.A. Carpenter died Sept 28, 1919 aged 80 y 5 m 10 d" On the ground near the tall monument were two stones "Jeremiah L. Carpenter 1839-1919" & "Mary Hauk Carpenter 1844-1931" I have pictures of these stones if anyone is interested. My great grandparents were Solomon and Sudna Hughes Carpenter. I'm descended down through their daughter Margaret who married Joseph Riffe. Any info will be much appreciated. Thanks Ethel Flannery [email protected]

Some notes on Hastings Carpenter for those interested 1850 Hastings Carpenter # 2708 in the Carpenter Memorial was born March 01, 1819 in Swanzey, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, he died Feb 11 1851. he was married to Kesiah Ames. (Also spelled Keziah Eames) Sep 14 1847. She was born Jan 1 1829 in Swanzey, Cheshire County, New Hampshire. they had a son Oscar Hastings Carpenter # 4919 in the Carpenter memorial on may 1848. The three of them can be found in the 1850 New Hampshire Federal census of Swanzey, Cheshire County. In this census hastings is 31, a farmer. Keziah is 21 and Oscar is 2. Also living with them are 3 farm labors from Ireland. 1860 Hastings or his family are not found in the 1860 New Hampshire Census. Instead I found Keziah in the 1860 of Elba, Winona County, Minnesota. the Post Office is Whitewater Falls. She is married to Aaron Baker. living with her and Aaron are children to Aarons 1st marriage and Oscar hastings Carpenter. he is listed as O.H. Carpenter age 12 in the census, Aaron Baker was born in Batavia, Genesee County New York on Mar 16 1827 and died on April 23 1888 1870 in the 1870 Census Aaron and Keziah appear in Mount Vernon, Winona County, Minnesota, living with them are his children from his f1rst marriage, and 3 children by Aaron and Keziah. Catherine age 7, Oscar A. age 4 and William age 1.in this census Aaron has a real estat value of 4000.00. Oscar Hastings Carpenter does not appear in any 1870 census that I can find. note that Aaron and Keziah had a son in 1866 and named him Oscar A. is this Oscar Aaron Baker. Oscar named after Oscar Hastings Carpenter whom may have passed away and the A. is for Aaron after his father ? Marque L. Carpenter

I am looking for any information on a Thomas J. Carpenter who was born in 1841. I believe he was born in Tioga County or Chemung County, NY. He died in September 1903. His first wife was named Helen M. I don't know her maiden name. She died 3 weeks after giving birth to my great grandfather Thomas Jay Turner. Thomas Jay Turner was raised by George and Betsy Turner but was never legally adopted although he did take their last name. Thomas J. Carpenter and Helen M. had 5 children together. Mary Carpenter (MacDougall), George Carpenter, Amy Carpenter (Vary), and Helen Carpenter (Thalheimer). Thomas J. Carpenter remarried after Helen died, to a Margaret Swartout. They had one son together, Frank H. Carpenter. Thomas J. Carpenter and both of his wives are buried in Vary (Ridge) Cemetery on the Ridge Road in the town of Veteran. If anyone knows anything about this family. I would greatly appreciate it. I hope someone can help me fill in the blanks. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

I wrote earlier that Elizabeth Carpenter was married to John Ash- 12 Feb 1787 in Rockingham Co., VA. I just heard from a cousin that she had found the marriage on the "Family Archives, Marriage Index: Maryland, North Carolina & Virginia 1624-1915, CD#4" and they were married in Frederick Co. not Rockingham Co.

I am looking for any information on a Thomas J. Carpenter who was born in 1841 in Chemung County. He died in 1903 in the town of Veteran, Chemung County, New York. His first wife's name was Helen M. I want to know what her maiden name was. They had 5 children together before she passed away after giving birth to my great grandfather Thomas J. Turner. He has the last name Turner because he was raised by George and Betsy Turner after his mother passed away. Although he was never legally adopted. The other children born to this marriage were, Mary Carpenter (MacDougall), George Carpenter, Amy Carpenter (Vary), and Helen Carpenter (Thalheimer). Thomas J. Carpenter remarried after Helen died, to a Margaret Swartout and they had one child named Frank H. Carpenter. I believe that Helen Carpenter (Thalheimer) was raised by another family also, but I am not positive. If anyone has any information please send it to me. I am looking for the names of Thomas J. Carpenter's parents, Helen's maiden name, etc. I hope someone out there can help me on this quest. I have a copy of Thomas J. Carpenter's will. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: CARPENTER-D Digest V04 #139 >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >CARPENTER-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 139 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Fw: Carpenter English Lineage Null ["John R Carpenter 2" ><johnrcarpent] > #2 Re: Gene Zubrinsky's most recent C [[email protected]] > #3 NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES IN NEHGR [[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from CARPENTER-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:54:48 -0800 >From: "John R Carpenter 2" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Cc: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fw: Carpenter English Lineage Nullified >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Subject: Carpenter English Lineage Nullified > > >Carpenter Family Update > >December 2004 > >Carpenter English Lineage Nullified > > > >In the Carpenters' Encyclopedia of Carpenters (CE CD 2001) introduction, I >wrote the following: > >". genealogy or family history works are never completed ... because of >births, deaths, new > >material ... This CE CD version 2001 is dedicated to the Carpenter Family >Researchers who > >contributed to it, use it, add to it, and correct the errors in it" >(emphasis added). In the > >last section was this: "ALL WORKS OF MEN (and women) are imperfect. If you >find an error, > >and there is no doubt you will find some, please let me know." > > > >Many of you have taken the challenge and have made corrections and >additions to your lines. > >Gene Zubrinsky of Ojai, California, in particular has been forthright in >his effort to correct > >the errors to the Carpenter English ancestry he has seen in the CE CD 2001 >and elsewhere. > > > >Most of us are not even remotely proficient reading old English wills. >Having experience with > >sixteenth- and seventeenth-century handwriting, however, John F. Chandler, >Gene Zubrinsky and > >Terry L. Carpenter have been collecting and looking at the wills to glean >any clues that could > >help on the Carpenter ancestry. Gene has reviewed the recorded will of Rev. >Richard Carpenter > >(b. abt 1468, of Homme, Herefordshire; d. Wiltshire, 1503 [CE CD 2001, RIN >ref. no. 2781]) and > >found that it describes each of two beneficiaries, Robert and Peter (no >surnames given), not as > >"sonne/sunne" but as "svnt" (i.e., servant). (The difference is hard to >see when you are > >expecting to see sons listed in that part of the will.) > > > >The rest of us, John, Terry, and I, concur with his interpretation. (A PDF >file of the > >will-Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 13 Blanyr [PROB 11/13]-may be >purchased online at > >www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk; it is also available on FHL >film 0,091,903, and a > >copy is posted on my web page at: > >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/PHOTO/0019photo.html > > > >This finding refutes the assertions of earlier researchers that Rev. >Richard Carpenter was the > >father of Robert Carpenter of Upton Scudamore and thus invalidates the >English lineage claimed > >for the Rehoboth and Providence Carpenters from Rev. Richard Carpenter >backward. > > > >Captain William Carpenter-584 (b. England abt 1605; d. Rehoboth 1658[/9?]) >came to America on > >the Bevis. It is certain that his father, who accompanied him, was also >named William > >Carpenter-98 (b. England abt 1576; d. abt 1638). Extensive reviews of >earlier research, however, > >have not found documentation or evidence that Robert Carpenter of >Marden-14708 (b. abt 1545; d. > >abt 1607) was the latter William's father, as previously claimed. Thus the >lineage to William > >Carpenter-14711 (b. abt 1520; d. abt 1587) and then to Robert Carpenter of >Upton Scudamore-14706 > >(b. abt 1495; d. abt 1545) is dubious. Even without the discovery of the >aforementioned errors > >in the will of Rev. Richard Carpenter, the lineage it nullifies would >therefore still be doubtful. > >The ancestry has not been proved as earlier given. > > > >As to the ancestry of the Providence Carpenters, recent findings seem to >point away from Marden > >and toward Newton Toney, adjacent to Amesbury (see The New England >Historical and Genealogical > >Register 159 [January 2005]:66, 67n). > > > >While this nullification of the Carpenter English ancestry has occurred, >the rightful pieces of > >the jig-saw puzzle will hopefully fall in place with more diligent >research. I encourage all > >Carpenter researchers to share what they find and to document where the >information came from. > >This way their new information can be verified by others. > > > >John R. Carpenter > >La Mesa, CA > > > > > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:47:47 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Gene Zubrinsky's most recent Carpenter article >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:00:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Connie >writes: > ><< Is it published yet? Is it in TAG or in NEHGR? >> > > > >Thanks for asking, Connie. Two Carpenter articles will appear in the >January 2005 issue of the _Register_ (NEHGR), but since it probably won't >be >available until February, I was going to wait until, say, mid January to >announce >them and list the highlights. But since you've raised the issue, I might >as >well do it now (see separate posting, this date). > >Gene > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:48:28 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES IN NEHGR >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES > >Two articles pertaining both to the Carpenter family of Rehoboth, >Massachusetts, and that of Providence, Rhode Island, will appear in the >January 2005 >issue of &shy;_The New England Historical and Genealogical Register_ (it >might >not be available until February). The highlights of each are listed >below: >"Three John Carpenters: A Chain of Mistaken Identities" > * Identifies John Carpenter of East Greenwich, Rhode Island >(c.1667-1753), as the son of Joseph3 (William2 of Rehoboth) and Margaret >(Sutton) >Carpenter--not of Joseph's brother Abiah3--and presents as much basic data >about >him, his wives, and children (Martha, Mary, Sarah, Diadema, Prudence, >Cornel, >Dinah, and Joseph, who are often misattributed to another John Carpenter, >son >of Oliver4 [Abiah3]) as available records permit > * Corrects the commonly accepted year of Margaret (Sutton) >Carpenter's >death (1676, not 1700) > * Identifies John Carpenter of Norwich, Windham, and Stafford, >Connecticut (c.1694-1766), as the son of Oliver4 Carpenter (Abiah3)--not >of >Benjamin4 and Renew (Weeks) Carpenter--and presents as much basic data >about him, >his wives ([1] Sarah ______ and [2] Martha [Gould] Hibbard), and children >(Sarah, Lois [not Louis], Mehitabel, Huldah, John [b. 30 April 1728], >Sarah >[again], and Elizabeth) as available records permit > * Distinguishes John Carpenter of Swansea (and Rehoboth), >Massachusetts >(1691-c.1754), son of Benjamin4 and Renew (Weeks) Carpenter, from the >above >John Carpenter of Connecticut (the two have been treated as one, their >wives >confused, and their children grouped together) > * Identifies the wives of John Carpenter of Swansea as (1) Sarah >Thurston (1691-c.1721), daughter of John and Hannah (Cary) Thurston, (2) >Sarah >Hillard (1692-1744), daughter of William2 and Deborah (Warren) Hill(i)ard, >and >(3) widow Hannah Martin > * Identifies the children of John Carpenter of Swansea as Hannah >(w/ >1st wf), Barnard, John (b. 4 Jan. 1728/9), and Warren (last three w/ 2nd >wf) >and presents as much basic information about them and their mothers as >available records permit > >"Abiah3 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode Island, and His Family: With >Additional >Material Concerning William1 Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island, and >William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts" > * Extensively corrects and augments what has appeared in the >secondary >literature about Abiah3 Carpenter, son of William2 and Abigail (Briant) >Carpenter of Rehoboth, and his family > * > > >Limits Abiah's children to the three supported by the available >evidence--Oliver, Rebecca, and Joseph (the last perhaps not with wife Mary >Redway)--and >explicitly excludes two others mentioned in the secondary literature >(John, >son of Joseph3 and Margaret [Sutton] Carpenter [see previous article], >and >Solomon, son of Samuel3 and Sarah [Redway] Carpenter) Distinguishes >Abiah's >daughter Rebecca from another Rebecca, misidentified as a Carpenter by >birth, >who married four times (to [1] Ephraim Hunt, [2] David Carpenter, [3] >Samuel >Wilson, and [4] Lt. John Wilson) and died at Rehoboth in 1749, in her 85th >year (the latter woman's maiden name was probably Ward) Addresses the >issue of >whether or not William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth and William1 Carpenter of >Providence were first cousins (as is so often said) Presents >irrefutable >evidence invalidating from Rev. Richard Carpenter (d. 1503) backward the >ancient >English and French ancestry often claimed for (1) William1 Carpenter of >Shalbourne, Wherwell, and the Bevis (c.1576-c.1638), father of William2 >Carpenter >of Rehoboth, and (2) RichardA Carpenter of Amesbury (bur. there 1625?), >father >of William1 Carpenter of Providence Argues that neither the respective >parents nor wives of William1 of Shalbourne, etc., or RichardA of Amesbury >have >been established; presents evidence pointing away from Robert Carpenter of >Marden, Wiltshire, as the putative father of Richard of Amesbury; >introduces >other evidence pointing toward the latter man's antecedents' being of >Newton >Toney (adjacent to Amesbury) Presents extensive evidence that William1 >Carpenter of Providence came to New England as a single man and did not >marry >Elizabeth Arnold until about 1637, probably at Providence; evidence >includes a >court record indicating that their son Joseph2 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode >Island, and Musketa Cove, Long Island, was born about 1638 (not 1635, when >the >Arnolds left England) Discusses from the perspectives of English common >law >and the statutes of Plymouth Colony and early Bristol County, >Massachusetts, >certain rights and responsibilities acquired by minors of specific ages: >moral >accountability (age 7); "age of discretion" (14); and "legal age" (21 for >both sexes) >Note: Be sure to read the footnotes! _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. 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I am looking for my 3 greatgrandmother Elizabeth Caroenter. She was married to John Ash 12 Feb 1787. Rockingham Co VA. She was born 6 MAr 1768 and died 8 Sep 1848. (she is buried in Scott Co. IL.) She also lived in Ky. She had one daughter and she raised tow of her husband's nephews after their father died (in KY). I would like to know who her parents were. Does anyone have any information on her? Thank you, Barbara Bower

NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES Two articles pertaining both to the Carpenter family of Rehoboth, Massachusetts, and that of Providence, Rhode Island, will appear in the January 2005 issue of &shy;_The New England Historical and Genealogical Register_ (it might not be available until February). The highlights of each are listed below: "Three John Carpenters: A Chain of Mistaken Identities" * Identifies John Carpenter of East Greenwich, Rhode Island (c.1667-1753), as the son of Joseph3 (William2 of Rehoboth) and Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter--not of Joseph's brother Abiah3--and presents as much basic data about him, his wives, and children (Martha, Mary, Sarah, Diadema, Prudence, Cornel, Dinah, and Joseph, who are often misattributed to another John Carpenter, son of Oliver4 [Abiah3]) as available records permit * Corrects the commonly accepted year of Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter's death (1676, not 1700) * Identifies John Carpenter of Norwich, Windham, and Stafford, Connecticut (c.1694-1766), as the son of Oliver4 Carpenter (Abiah3)--not of Benjamin4 and Renew (Weeks) Carpenter--and presents as much basic data about him, his wives ([1] Sarah ______ and [2] Martha [Gould] Hibbard), and children (Sarah, Lois [not Louis], Mehitabel, Huldah, John [b. 30 April 1728], Sarah [again], and Elizabeth) as available records permit * Distinguishes John Carpenter of Swansea (and Rehoboth), Massachusetts (1691-c.1754), son of Benjamin4 and Renew (Weeks) Carpenter, from the above John Carpenter of Connecticut (the two have been treated as one, their wives confused, and their children grouped together) * Identifies the wives of John Carpenter of Swansea as (1) Sarah Thurston (1691-c.1721), daughter of John and Hannah (Cary) Thurston, (2) Sarah Hillard (1692-1744), daughter of William2 and Deborah (Warren) Hill(i)ard, and (3) widow Hannah Martin * Identifies the children of John Carpenter of Swansea as Hannah (w/ 1st wf), Barnard, John (b. 4 Jan. 1728/9), and Warren (last three w/ 2nd wf) and presents as much basic information about them and their mothers as available records permit "Abiah3 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode Island, and His Family: With Additional Material Concerning William1 Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island, and William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts" * Extensively corrects and augments what has appeared in the secondary literature about Abiah3 Carpenter, son of William2 and Abigail (Briant) Carpenter of Rehoboth, and his family * Limits Abiah's children to the three supported by the available evidence--Oliver, Rebecca, and Joseph (the last perhaps not with wife Mary Redway)--and explicitly excludes two others mentioned in the secondary literature (John, son of Joseph3 and Margaret [Sutton] Carpenter [see previous article], and Solomon, son of Samuel3 and Sarah [Redway] Carpenter) Distinguishes Abiah's daughter Rebecca from another Rebecca, misidentified as a Carpenter by birth, who married four times (to [1] Ephraim Hunt, [2] David Carpenter, [3] Samuel Wilson, and [4] Lt. John Wilson) and died at Rehoboth in 1749, in her 85th year (the latter woman's maiden name was probably Ward) Addresses the issue of whether or not William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth and William1 Carpenter of Providence were first cousins (as is so often said) Presents irrefutable evidence invalidating from Rev. Richard Carpenter (d. 1503) backward the ancient English and French ancestry often claimed for (1) William1 Carpenter of Shalbourne, Wherwell, and the Bevis (c.1576-c.1638), father of William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, and (2) RichardA Carpenter of Amesbury (bur. there 1625?), father of William1 Carpenter of Providence Argues that neither the respective parents nor wives of William1 of Shalbourne, etc., or RichardA of Amesbury have been established; presents evidence pointing away from Robert Carpenter of Marden, Wiltshire, as the putative father of Richard of Amesbury; introduces other evidence pointing toward the latter man's antecedents' being of Newton Toney (adjacent to Amesbury) Presents extensive evidence that William1 Carpenter of Providence came to New England as a single man and did not marry Elizabeth Arnold until about 1637, probably at Providence; evidence includes a court record indicating that their son Joseph2 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode Island, and Musketa Cove, Long Island, was born about 1638 (not 1635, when the Arnolds left England) Discusses from the perspectives of English common law and the statutes of Plymouth Colony and early Bristol County, Massachusetts, certain rights and responsibilities acquired by minors of specific ages: moral accountability (age 7); "age of discretion" (14); and "legal age" (21 for both sexes) Note: Be sure to read the footnotes!

In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:00:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Connie writes: << Is it published yet? Is it in TAG or in NEHGR? >> Thanks for asking, Connie. Two Carpenter articles will appear in the January 2005 issue of the _Register_ (NEHGR), but since it probably won't be available until February, I was going to wait until, say, mid January to announce them and list the highlights. But since you've raised the issue, I might as well do it now (see separate posting, this date). Gene

Subject: Carpenter English Lineage Nullified Carpenter Family Update December 2004 Carpenter English Lineage Nullified In the Carpenters' Encyclopedia of Carpenters (CE CD 2001) introduction, I wrote the following: ". genealogy or family history works are never completed ... because of births, deaths, new material ... This CE CD version 2001 is dedicated to the Carpenter Family Researchers who contributed to it, use it, add to it, and correct the errors in it" (emphasis added). In the last section was this: "ALL WORKS OF MEN (and women) are imperfect. If you find an error, and there is no doubt you will find some, please let me know." Many of you have taken the challenge and have made corrections and additions to your lines. Gene Zubrinsky of Ojai, California, in particular has been forthright in his effort to correct the errors to the Carpenter English ancestry he has seen in the CE CD 2001 and elsewhere. Most of us are not even remotely proficient reading old English wills. Having experience with sixteenth- and seventeenth-century handwriting, however, John F. Chandler, Gene Zubrinsky and Terry L. Carpenter have been collecting and looking at the wills to glean any clues that could help on the Carpenter ancestry. Gene has reviewed the recorded will of Rev. Richard Carpenter (b. abt 1468, of Homme, Herefordshire; d. Wiltshire, 1503 [CE CD 2001, RIN ref. no. 2781]) and found that it describes each of two beneficiaries, Robert and Peter (no surnames given), not as "sonne/sunne" but as "svnt" (i.e., servant). (The difference is hard to see when you are expecting to see sons listed in that part of the will.) The rest of us, John, Terry, and I, concur with his interpretation. (A PDF file of the will-Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 13 Blanyr [PROB 11/13]-may be purchased online at www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk; it is also available on FHL film 0,091,903, and a copy is posted on my web page at: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/PHOTO/0019photo.html This finding refutes the assertions of earlier researchers that Rev. Richard Carpenter was the father of Robert Carpenter of Upton Scudamore and thus invalidates the English lineage claimed for the Rehoboth and Providence Carpenters from Rev. Richard Carpenter backward. Captain William Carpenter-584 (b. England abt 1605; d. Rehoboth 1658[/9?]) came to America on the Bevis. It is certain that his father, who accompanied him, was also named William Carpenter-98 (b. England abt 1576; d. abt 1638). Extensive reviews of earlier research, however, have not found documentation or evidence that Robert Carpenter of Marden-14708 (b. abt 1545; d. abt 1607) was the latter William's father, as previously claimed. Thus the lineage to William Carpenter-14711 (b. abt 1520; d. abt 1587) and then to Robert Carpenter of Upton Scudamore-14706 (b. abt 1495; d. abt 1545) is dubious. Even without the discovery of the aforementioned errors in the will of Rev. Richard Carpenter, the lineage it nullifies would therefore still be doubtful. The ancestry has not been proved as earlier given. As to the ancestry of the Providence Carpenters, recent findings seem to point away from Marden and toward Newton Toney, adjacent to Amesbury (see The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 159 [January 2005]:66, 67n). While this nullification of the Carpenter English ancestry has occurred, the rightful pieces of the jig-saw puzzle will hopefully fall in place with more diligent research. I encourage all Carpenter researchers to share what they find and to document where the information came from. This way their new information can be verified by others. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA

My sister-in-law and nephew are direct descendants of Velasco Carpenter, b. April 7, 1896 in Boone County, West Virginia. He is the son of Samuel L. Carpenter who was born about 1869. Samuel appears on the 1880 census in Scott District, Boone Co., WV with his parents, Joseph and Mary Carpenter. I've seen Mary's maiden name as Lowe, but don't have any proof that this is correct. With Joseph and Mary Carpenter in 1880, in addition to Samuel, are the following children, all born in West Virginia: Rebecca Carpenter, b. abt 1871 James H. Carpenter, b. abt 1873 Mary L. Carpenter, b. abt 1874 Robert Carpenter, b. abt 1878 I believe Samuel Carpenter's father, Joseph Carpenter, may have come to Boone County, from Gilmer County, WV. I have only just begun researching this family so I don't have anything much I can share, but I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is researching this line or who has any information at all about this family.

Is it published yet? Is it in TAG or in NEHGR? Connie

Hello Everyone!! Just wondering if anyone here is researching the Carpenter Family in Ky more specifically Danville, Boyle Co Ky. So far the last generation I was able to find was: 1880: Eligah CARPENTER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1859> Birthplace KY Age 21 Occupation Servant Works On Farm Marital Status S <Single> Race B <Black> Head of Household Thomas A. COULTER Relation Other Father's Birthplace KY Mother's Birthplace KY Thanks, Charles _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

I am researching the Benedict Carpenter family. Benedict Carpenter was b. 7 Jun 1717, Queens, NY, m. 1737 Scarsdale, Westchester, NY and d. 22 Jun 1791 New Milford, Litchfield CT. He married Hannah Haviland b. ca 1720 d. 1742. The information I have has not been documented and I am having trouble documenting it. If anyone can help me, I would appreciate hearing from you. thank you. Connie