An alpha C listing, including all Carpenters in Cortland County, NY for the 1850 census went online last night: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycortla/census/1850cens.htm Tim Stowell [email protected] Chattanooga, TN

The following girls were children of John Frank "Finley Mills and Margaret Carpenter Mills: Nancy Mills born abt 1848 in TN Celia Mills born abt 1849 in TN Martha America Mills born abt 1852 in TN Sarah Mills born abt 1855 in TN The entire family is in Christian County, MO in 1860 Census and everybody but Nancy is in the 1870 Christian County Census. I need info on the girls--who did they marry--where--when did they die --where? Thanks in advance for your help. Larry Mills

1c. Tips from Readers: Using Technology to Tell Family Stories By Barbara Heinrich Two years ago while visiting my then 87-year-old mother and looking at old photos, one of my nieces kept asking, "Who's this? What was this about? Who were they?" My brother and I were astonished! Why didn't everyone know? Then and there I had a project that formed for the future. I borrowed as many photos as my mom would let me have, asked stories and names on some I didn't know. Armed with a ton of photos I flew home and my adventure of preserving history for the younger generations began. I used a program called Pinnacle (a digital video editing/authoring software application) that icons as Studio 8. Many of the new young movie makers who sell to TV or hopefully to the big screen use this program. You can produce DVDs, VHS tapes, send as e-mails, etc. On my Windows XP and my Epson 1260 scanner I began the laborious process. This idea is not for the faint of heart, new computer people, or those not interested in details and more details and technical issues. Also you must be willing to invest HOURS of time and look through many slides and photos and get the scoop on them from various relatives--especially the older ones. I had fun doing this project, but tore my hair out on numerous occasions. My first project was to trace my dad's maternal side of the family in pictures and stories. I have all dates and names recorded and some stories on Family Tree Maker (genealogy program), but who will ever go through that beside a genealogist? I spent hours learning the program and scanning old photos to "The Richard Trester Story" file. In this program you can create titles, add voice, and put music in the background. It takes longer to do than when you are using movie film or camcorder usage, but this was all *old* information--and mostly in black and white. When I finished I thought I had a pretty good DVD for family members-- about 20 minutes' worth. And, without my son-in-laws patient help it never would have been completed. (Now, one and a half years later, I will not show this DVD to anyone else--the quality is lacking.) Next was a DVD on my dad's paternal side that was exciting for me because I had just made a connection to my grandfather's family (he and my great-aunt had been orphaned when they were youngsters). Much of the old info no one else knew. And, I carried it up to present date with my family, my brother's, and my sister's. Everyone was in it. I also had a section on "Our Weddings," "Our Pets," "Some Graduations," and my parents' 50th wedding celebration (that everyone had attended). Was this one better? You bet! I had learned a lot of tricks to the program and had solved the problem of background noise and exploding letters (like p's and b's). This one was about 40 minutes. It met with great acclaim from the family. It took at least a 100 hours to do. My mother's story, which incorporated maternal and paternal info into one DVD, included adding maps, and clip art, some humorous during longer stories into the program. This one was about 48 minutes. My mother recorded some of the voice-over, too. By now everyone was aghast at how the quality had improved and the info they were viewing. How much more interesting than just watching someone's slide show or old photo albums. We all spent part of our summers at our grandparents' cottage on a lake in Wisconsin. But why did they buy it? What was behind it all? How did the cottage transform into a year-round house, etc. This project was 50 minutes long. My mother, uncle, and mother's neighbor whose family had built at the same time were all the final authorities on stories and issues. (She got a VHS copy for herself as she and her parents were woven throughout the project.) My uncle, who is 93, our family patriarch, and also a genealogist couldn't get over all the work I had done and the info I had easily incorporated into the photos. Cousins and my brother said, "Thanks for all your work." and, "I'm glad YOU did it and not me!" Some gal friends were visiting while I was viewing a final copy of this DVD and made me play the whole thing for them. They were astonished and amazed how good it was -- and not boring. Could they do one of their family? By now my husband had said, "When are you going to do *my* family?" This is our current project and this one will employ movie clips that will be interspersed throughout the film. This one gets into Ellis Island files, Austria during World War I and immigration. I am producing the project and he is directing the order and will provide most of the voice-over. His latest comment was, "I'm glad you are doing this. I never would have done it!" He is not into details. So, if you have the time or inclination -- try it. It's a good way to record your family roots. There are other programs that will make CDs and DVDs, but some of them will not cut a DVD or will not allow voice- over and background music. Explore.

Nettie died in Johnson City, Broome County, NY not Binghamton as I wrote previously. Eileen

Hello Lists, I am in hopes that someone on the list can find and transcribe the obit for Nettie Evaline CARPENTER who married Lewis Martin GILLETTE. She died in Binghamton, Broome County, NY in Dec of 1945. Thank you Eileen Gillette, Volunteer El Dorado County, CA Member, Friends of Pacheco Cemetery, Contra Costa County, CA Member, Contra Costa County Historical Society Researching, Beebe,Bixby, Brown, Da Lee, Daniels, Decker,Dunn, Gillette, Greer, Ingraham, Lamon, Martello, Pegler, Schneider, Sherman, Troy and Wentworth

person requesting info on Archeaus Carpenter of New Brunswick/ Nova Scotia Please resend request I deleted by accident John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Web pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks >

John L. Carpenter writes: << 1. ARCHEALUS6 CARPENTER (TIMOTHY5, TIMOTHY4, EPHRAIN3, WILLIAM #12, RICHARD1)1 was born 23 Apr 1734 in North Castle, Westchester, NY, . . . >> Daniel Hoogland Carpenter has a very different lineage for Archealus (see _History and Genealogy of the Carpenter Family in America_ [Jamaica, N.Y., 1901], 8-10, 30-31, 43, 48-50, 75-76, 109). DHC has him (properly) as Archealus5 (generational reference numbers should begin with the immigrant, not the earliest-known ancestor) and his Carpenter line as Timothy4, William3, Joseph2, William1, RichardA. (A is not for Amesbury; Richard's father, if he were known, would be B, and so on.) I haven't done the primary research to confirm the connections to Timothy4 and William4, but they appear pretty solid. Gene Z.

Hello Carpenters: Can someone here provide information on Joseph Carpenter, a Quaker who lived in new Rochelle NY in 1871 when he published (or distributed, anyway) an abolitionist book or tract titled "From Uncle Joseph"? This may be ABC's Joseph #6307, but I have no info or evidence for that supposition except residence in New Rochelle. Was there any other Joseph Carpenter in New Rochelle in 1870s? Robin C.

I am now working with a descendant of Archealus Carpenter 1. ARCHEALUS6 CARPENTER (TIMOTHY5, TIMOTHY4, EPHRAIN3, WILLIAM #12, RICHARD1)1 was born 23 Apr 1734 in North Castle, Westchester, NY, and died 15 Jul 1810 in Parrtown, Nova Scotia, Canada. He married REBECCA GOULDING Abt. 1755 in Noth Castle, Westchester, NY, daughter of THOMAS GOULDING SR.. She was born 05 May 1737, and died 19 Dec 1812 in New Brunswick, Canada. They arrived Sept 6, 1783 St John's River . All his Estates in NY were confiscated. It is said d he built the first house and shop at Parrtown, StJohn's ,Canada. Anyone interested can contact me if info is needed or to add some ,birth dates will be corrected also. John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Web pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks > >

I have finally found the children of Eber and Alsia Platt Carpenter as are specified in his will. They were Oren Asa, Aurelia (Beach), Oscar, Galusha, Ann (Sheffield), and Eben (Elon or Elond possibly) born in 1841. I am now looking for any of their descendants. I know that most settled in and around Oakland Co., MI, or Kent Co., MI. I am willing to share any information on the Platt family and the descendants of Aurelia Beach but I still have not found any specific information about Eber Carpenter's parents or ancestors. He was born in Connecticut according to the 1850 census, he lived in Hanibal and Lima NY and his wife came from Steuben, Oneida Co., NY. He became a member of the Baptist Bible Society and was a missionary to Michigan in 1831 who started Baptist churches in Dexter, Salem, Plymouth, and Highland. His wife died in 1853 and he married Louise Waterbury in 1856 and died soon after.

Hello, I would like to correct an error in my last message, same subject. The sentence starting with: We also have Y-DNA proof that Christian (No. 4) and Peter (No. 2) were brothers or first cousins. This is not a correct statement as pointed out by John Chandler. I knew that also, however, one tends to get a little excited when DNA test results tend to confirm what you have been led to believe with your conventional research. For example, Christian and Peter are of about the same age, came to NC from PA in the mid 1750's. They lived in close proximity of each other and were buried in the same cemetery. With these items and a host of others, one can easily come to the conclusion that they were brothers or first cousins. Then when you receive Y-DNA results that, "provide you with a 99.9% likelihood that they share a common ancestor", you tend to jump to conclusions. However, Y-DNA alone CAN'T PROVE a family relationship. If your conventional research points you in that direction, then DNA can offer evidence that "is consistent with" or "lends support to" the belief that Christian and Peter were brothers or first cousins. Thanks to John Chandler for the update and correction. I would also like to apologize to the lists for making this mistake with regards to what to expect from DNA testing. Thanks Bob Carpenter

Hello, A Zimmerman/Carpenter Ancestral Survey is being conducted to determine who the descendants are of the nine Zimmerman/Carpenters listed below: 1. Johannes Zimmerman, b. 1740-55, PA (proven son of Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702) 2. Peter Zimmerman, b. 1736-40, PA (son or nephew of Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702) 3. Jacob Zimmerman, b. 1734, PA (son or nephew of Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702) 4. Christian [email protected] Zimmerman , b. 1720, Steffisburg (son or nephew of Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702) 5. Hans Zimmerman, b. 1702, Steffisburg (Spouse: Sarah Salome) 6. Peter Zimmerman, b. 23 August 1668, Steffisburg (Spouse: Unknown) 7. Hans Zimmerman, b. 7 December 1635, Steffisburg (Spouse: Barbara Gilgan) 8. Christian Zimmerman, b. 26 February 1609, Steffisburg (Spouse: Anna Buoss) 9. Niclaus Zimmerman, b. 1575, Steffisburg (Spouse: Margaret Püntlisperg If you would like to become a part of this research effort and to determine where we might go from here please accept this as a Roll-Call to list yourself and your ancestors by name, birth & location, marriage to whom and date, and death & location. Please send this information directly to Bob Carpenter at [email protected] This information will be used to assist in proving or disproving connections to the above listed individuals. It is suggested that a time period of three months be dedicated to this effort. A report will be sent to each person contributing their family information as outlined above at the end of each month. (The first report would be the end of February 2005) This information will be used for no other purpose other than to compile a listing of known individuals related to the above Zimmerman/Carpenters. The Zimmerman/Carpenter Survey to-date is composed of 63 Zimmerman/Carpenter ancestors and their spouses when known. Also, each member of a given family is listed and detailed when known. The ultimate goal is twofold; one) identify family relationships via conventional documentation. And, two) compile a list of those Zimmerman/Carpenter descendants that would/could take the Y-DNA test and prove a family connection to one or more of the listed Zimmerman/Carpenters. Yes! We are at that point. We have conventional documentation proof that Johannes Zimmerman (No. 1) is a son of Hans Zimmerman (No. 5). We also have Y-DNA proof that Christian (No. 4)and Peter (No. 2) were brothers or first cousins. The Y-DNA Chromosomes are passed from father to son with little or no changes for up to 500 generations. Genetic Genealogy (Y-DNA Testing ) is the new tool for Genealogists, lets use it. We can start by answering this Roll-Call and providing me with your proven ancestors back to one of the individuals listed above. Thanks Bob Carpenter

Hi List, I am looking the parents, siblings of John Thomas Carpenter of Marietta, Washington Co., Ohio. He was born Feb. 1862-died aft. 1930 Marietta, Washington Co., Ohio, he was married to Minnie A. Miller abt.1885 then he married Lucy Adaline Treadway abt.1898, then married Mary Powell aft. 1930(Mary might have been his 2nd wife instead his 3rd wife). I would like some help from a descendant of John Thomas Carpenter. Thanks, Paul K. Rikard

Hey I am looking for info on my Greatgtrandpa,s side of the tree Joseph M Carpenter B.Dec,2,1869 inKentucky probally Flemingsberg He married Emmer Bolling Daughter of John R Bolling,Joseph's Father was Harvey Carpenter B.?, His father was Daniel Carpenter Daniel Died in 1850 in Vanceberg Ky and he married Mildred Carter it says in 1811?. Thats all I have on this line I sure could use some HELPPPPPP,Thankyou to anyone who can help Jerry Tuttle

Sue Thank You for your quick response. The information that you found for me is great. I have been struggling for any info. and you cleared it up for me in a matter of ten minutes. Thanks again Sue! Ed

Name: Elwood M. Carpenter SSN: 172-01-7847 Last Residence: 17109 Harrisburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania, United States of America Born: 18 Nov 1914 Died: 10 Jul 2000 State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951 ) Name: Curtis L. Carpenter SSN: 172-01-7584 Last Residence: 17109 Harrisburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania, United States of America Born: 1 Oct 1911 Died: 13 Oct 1994 State (Year) SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951 ) If you sent in a request to SS office, plus $7 each, they would send you the SS app for these guys, and those should give you parents' names including Florence's maiden. Good luck. Sue McLean

Sorry; let me make this clearer. 1930 census, Lower Dauphin, PA, Jonestown Rd., shows George Carpenter, 58, b. PA, both parents b. PA Florence Carpenter, 41, b. PA, both parents b. PA Curtis 18 George R. 16 Elwood 15 Paul, 12, Florence M., 10 Ruth E., 8 Verna S. Carpenter, 5, b. pa Sue McLean

I see this entry in the 1930 census: _George R Carpenter_ (javascript:goefb0255()) Florence M Carpenter Lower Paxton, Dauphin, PA abt 1892 Pennsylvania Head (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=PAT626_2027-0850) (http://www.ancestry.com/myancestry?db=1930usfedcen&pid=50890977&fn=George+R&ln=Carpenter&pbyy=abt +1892&atid=4&url=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?sourceId=2524&ti=0 &r=an&db=1930usfedcen&F9=PAT626_2027-0850&rank=0&gss=angs&fh=40) _Florence M Carpenter_ (javascript:goefb0256()) George R Carpenter Lower Paxton, Dauphin, PA abt 1889 Wife (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=PAT626_2027-0850) (http://www.ancestry.com/myancestry?db=1930usfedcen&pid=50890986&fn=Florence+M&ln=Carpenter&pbyy=abt+1889&atid=4&url=http://se arch.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?sourceId=2524&ti=0&r=an&db=1930usfedcen&F9=P AT626_2027-0850&rank=0&gss=angs&fh=40) _Curtis L Carpenter_ (javascript:goefb0257()) George R Carpenter, Florence M Carpenter Lower Paxton, Dauphin, PA abt 1912 Son (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=PAT626_2027-0850) (http://www.ancestry.com/myancestry?db=1930usfedcen&pid=50890978&fn=Curtis+L&ln=Carpen ter&pbyy=abt+1912&atid=4&url=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?source Id=2524&ti=0&r=an&db=1930usfedcen&F9=PAT626_2027-0850&rank=0&gss=angs&fh=40) _George R Carpenter_ (javascript:goefb0258()) George R Carpenter, Florence M Carpenter Lower Paxton, Dauphin, PA abt 1914 Son (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=PAT626_2027-0850) (http://www.ancestry.com/myancestry?db=1930usfedcen&pid=50890963&fn=George+R&ln=Carpen ter&pbyy=abt+1914&atid=4&url=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?source Id=2524&ti=0&r=an&db=1930usfedcen&F9=PAT626_2027-0850&rank=0&gss=angs&fh=40) _Elwood Carpenter_ (javascript:goefb0259()) George R Carpenter, Florence M Carpenter Lower Paxton, Dauphin, PA abt 1915 Son (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=PAT626_2027-0850) (http://www.ancestry.com/myancestry?db=1930usfedcen&pid=50890971&fn=Elwood&ln=Carpente r&pbyy=abt+1915&atid=4&url=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?sourceId =2524&ti=0&r=an&db=1930usfedcen&F9=PAT626_2027-0850&rank=0&gss=angs&fh=40) Sue McLean

Hello List, Would someone with access to the 1920 census look up a family for me? I am looking for the parents of {Paul, Curtis, Elwood, Florence, Verna, Catherine and Ruth Carpenter}. They lived in Pennsylvania. The Harrisburg area. Maybe Lower Paxton Twp. or Linglestown. Thank You. Best regards, Ed

So far as I'm aware, the only document naming Richard Carpenter of Amesbury as the father of William1 of Providence is not a will but the latter man's deed of gift, dated 4 December 1671, of Amesbury property (formerly his father's) to his sister Fridgswett/Fridgsweete (see Third Book of the Town of Providence, 477 [FHL 915084]; the oft-repeated "Fridgswith" does not appear [the name is properly Frideswide, who was/is the patron saint of Oxford). While the will of Robert Carpenter of Marden (d. 1607) names a son Richard and another William, there is absolutely no independent evidence that either of these men was the father of William1 of Providence or William2 of Rehoboth, respectively. Richard of Marden, moreover, is the implied recipient of his father's real estate there: with his father's widow Elinor, he is to receive "[a]ll the reste of [Robert's] goods moveable and unmoveable unbequeathed" (all specific bequests are of money, animals, and/or barley) (Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 109 Huddleston, fol. 42 [FHL 92029]). As his father's principal legatee, Richard had good reason to remain in Marden. (Although spotty and inconclusive, Marden parish records [Bishop's Transcripts, beginning in 1623] mention several Richard and William Carpenters over the next several decades.) On Amesbury's eastern border is the parish of Newton Toney, where on 7 August 1603 a Richard Carpenter married Alice Knight, and another Richard Carpenter married Ann Kent on 31 October 1603 (Newton Toney Parish Register, unpaged [FHL 1279336, item 13]. The latter man died at Newton Toney in 1614 (ibid.; Archdeaconry Court of Sarum, Reg. 8, fol. 226 [FHL 994489, item 1]); the only Newton Toney record surely of the former is that of his marriage. Among a dozen or so legatees named in the 1599 will of Robert Carpenter of Newton Toney is Richard Carpenter of "Aymsbury" (relationship not stated), quite possibly the man of that name who married Alice Knight (see Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 93 Kidd, fol. 47 [FHL 92,005]). Evidence of this or of the couple's being Providence William's parents is not found, however. The apparent family connection between Robert Carpenter of Newton Toney and Richard Carpenter of Amesbury nevertheless tends to diminish further the likelihood that the latter was the son of Robert Carpenter of Marden. (I was alerted to the above-cited marriage and probate records and their potential implications by John R. Carpenter of La Mesa, Calif.) For any readers harboring the unfortunately popular notion that Richard of Amesbury married at Nettlecombe, Somerset, and resided thereafter in that county, I should add the following: "[H]oping to assist further research," Elisha Arnold introduces the 1606 marriage of Richard Carpenter and Susanna Trevelian, recorded at Nettlecombe, Somerset (seventy plus miles from Amesbury), as "seem[ing] to connect in some way with a John and Richard at Salisbury, 7 miles from Amesbury" (Elisha Stephen Arnold, _The Arnold Memorial: William Arnold of Providence and Pawtuxet, 1587-1675 . . ._ [Rutland, Vt., 1935], 35). So as to put William1 Carpenter of Providence and his eventual wife, Elizabeth Arnold, in close proximity in England (the evidence is now overwhelming that they met and married in America), overzealous researchers have converted this item into the now frequently seen (online) assertions that Richard and Susanna (Trevelian) Carpenter were Providence William's parents and that Richard died at the Arnolds' home of Ilchester, Somerset, in 1625. Trevelian's husband, however, died at Loxhore, Devon, in 1627 and left neither a son William nor a daughter Frideswide (Charles William Boase, ed., _Registrum Collegii Exoniensis: Register of . . . Exeter College, Oxford_ [Oxford, 1894], 86; Frederick Brown, _Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills, etc._, Frederick Arthur Crisp, transcriber, 6 vols. [London, 1887-90], 2:109-10). The Richard Carpenter buried at Amesbury, 21 September 1625, is far more likely to have been Providence William's father than one said to have died at Ilchester that year (see Amesbury Parish Register, vol. 1, unpaged; Daniel Hoogland Carpenter, _History and Genealogy of the Carpenter Family in America, from the Settlement at Providence, R.I., 1637-1901_ [Jamaica, N.Y., 1901], 8n). Gene Z. In a message dated 1/19/2005 4:00:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:19:45 +0900 From: "Bruce E Carpenter" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Rich. of Amesbury Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Could Mr. Zubrinsky be so good as to present this particular evidence on this forum? Most helpful would be any evidence BESIDES the often quoted will that mentions "Richard Carpenter of Amesbury." "presents evidence pointing away from Robert Carpenter of Marden, Wiltshire, as the putative father of Richard of Amesbury; introduces other evidence pointing toward the latter man's antecedents' being of Newton Toney (adjacent to Amesbury)" Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter Nara, Japan