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In Eber Carpenter's will dated March 19, 1856 he specifies his deceased wife Alsia (Platt), his new wife Louisa ((Waterbury) and the following children: Omar Asa Carpenter, Aurelia Carpenter Beach, Oscar Carpenter, Galusha Carpenter, Ann Carpenter Sheffield, and Eben (Elon?) who is just 15. Eber had already set up sales of his land to Galusha. The executor was his son in law Harvey Sheffield. Eber died August 2, 1856. Oscar, in a biography from a history of Kent Co., MI, claims his Carpenter grandfather was a Revolutionary patriot. Galusha's family claims that the Carpenter ancestor was Daniel. Winnie Sihon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Eber Carpenter born in 1799 > > In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:00:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > My Eber Carpenter was a different man. All I know for sure is that he > was > born in CT in 1799 or 1800, lived in Hanibel NY, and then Lima, NY before > going to Michigan in 1832. > > > Hannibal, Oswego Co., N.Y., is only about 40 miles due west of Rome and > Vienna, Oneida Co., where your Eber's possible father, Daniel Carpenter, > lived in > 1818 and 1820, respectively. Have you checked (1) Oswego Co. land > records > to see if Eber's initial grantee deed indicates his previous residence, > or if > it doesn't, (2) Oneida Co. deeds to see if he had owned land there? > Also, > since you seem to know the names of Eber's children, can any of the more > distinctive ones be matched up with a particular family of Connecticut > Carpenters? > > Gene Z. > > ______________________________

In his Rev. War Pension file (#S42116), Daniel Carpenter names 3 sons residing in his home, 8 Sept 1820: Orson/Oson age 13, Harvey age 16 and Asa 15; swore his age was 65 and that of his wife was 56; Briggs Marcia [email protected] http://home.mindspring.com/~mbriggs3 http://home.mindspring.com/~phil1180

In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:00:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: My Eber Carpenter was a different man. All I know for sure is that he was born in CT in 1799 or 1800, lived in Hanibel NY, and then Lima, NY before going to Michigan in 1832. Hannibal, Oswego Co., N.Y., is only about 40 miles due west of Rome and Vienna, Oneida Co., where your Eber's possible father, Daniel Carpenter, lived in 1818 and 1820, respectively. Have you checked (1) Oswego Co. land records to see if Eber's initial grantee deed indicates his previous residence, or if it doesn't, (2) Oneida Co. deeds to see if he had owned land there? Also, since you seem to know the names of Eber's children, can any of the more distinctive ones be matched up with a particular family of Connecticut Carpenters? Gene Z.

----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: Eber Carpenter born in 1799 My Eber Carpenter was a different man. All I know for sure is that he was born in CT in 1799 or 1800, lived in Hanibel NY, and then Lima, NY before going to Michigan in 1832. He went first to Dexter where he started a Baptist church, then bought land in Salem in Washtenaw Co. and started another church there and in Plymouth. He died in 1856 and is buried in Oakland Co., Michigan and I have his will and the 1850 census which says he was born in CT. Some of his children claimed that this Eber's father was Daniel Carpenter and a Revolutionary soldier. I now have the pension papers for a Daniel Carpenter who came to Huron Co., OH from Oneida Co., NY. This Daniel's census indicates older sons but does not name them. I know all about Eber the NH doctor and Eber the Connecticut pastor and assumed that someplace down the line they were in the same Rehobath Carpenters so I have studied all the records, but this is the first possible ancestor I have found. Thanks for respondin! g to my posting. Winnie Sihon ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Eber Carpenter born in 1799 I am descended from an Eber Carpenter born in 1799 in CT I have Ebner as a Dr in SW New Hampshire Was a medical Doctor in Alstead ,Cheshire , NH Eber had 4 sons 3 Nephews, and Study medicine with him and go on to become Dr.'s Eber started his medical practice shortly after graduating Medical College In 1802. He started in Alstead,Cheshire,NH. Dr Carpenter practice started to grow in the following years especially in 1812 when his friend and fellow physical Dr Bliss died. Probably from the spotted fever epidemic widespread in this area at that time. Often taking in medical students to assist with chores ,examinations, surgery as needed, and even tending the horse and carriage. Of these was 4 of his sons,1 nephew and eventually a grandson. Dr Carpenter was appointed by the Governor of New Hampshire Brigadier Inspector of the militia and Justice of the Peace Carpenter, Eben, Dr. Dr. Eben Carpenter was born in Coventry, Conn., in 1780, married Judith Green, and reared a family of nine children. He located in Alstead, N. H., where he had a large practice. His only surviving son, George H., is a physician, and resides in Cleveland, O. See attached file John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912 John L. Carpenter Walpole,NH My Web pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/John-L-Carpenter/index.html > > http://expage.com/page/carpenterlinks > > http://homepages.msn.com/

> I'm accustomed to getting more posts than I have been the last couple of > days. Have I been accidentally removed from this list? > > Michael W. Rigas This phenomenon appears to be happening on several lists. I suspect it is spring break fever. Or perhaps folks are figuring out their taxes and have to stay off their research for the time being. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell [email protected]

I'm accustomed to getting more posts than I have been the last couple of days. Have I been accidentally removed from this list? Michael W. Rigas

In a message dated 3/16/2005 5:00:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: [email protected]> Was a medical Doctor in Alstead ,Cheshire , NH Eber had 4 sons 3 Nephews, and Study medicine with him and go on to become Dr.'s Eber started his medical practice shortly after graduating Medical College In 1802. He started in Alstead,Cheshire,NH. Dr Carpenter practice started to grow in the following years especially in 1812 when his friend and fellow physical Dr Bliss died. Probably from the spotted fever epidemic widespread in this area at that time. Often taking in medical students to assist with chores ,examinations, surgery as needed, and even tending the horse and carriage. Of these was 4 of his sons,1 nephew and eventually a grandson. Dr Carpenter was appointed by the Governor of New Hampshire Brigadier Inspector of the militia and Justice of the Peace Carpenter, Eben, Dr. Dr. Eben Carpenter was born in Coventry, Conn., in 1780, married Judith Green, and reared a family of nine children. He located in Alstead, N. H., where he had a large practice. His only surviving son, George H., is a physician, and resides in Cleveland, O. I e mailed you a file John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912

<< . . . Eber Carpenter born in 1799 in CT . . . died in Highland, Oakland Co., Michigan Aug. 2, 1856. . . . [T]he father may be Daniel Carpenter born in Coventry 9 May 1755 who married Judith Perry in Woodstock Jan 1783 and had child Judith born in Woodstock Dec. 18, 1784. In the 1790 census he seems to be living in East Windsor in Hartford Co. . . . In 1800 census I find a father [Daniel] and son [Daniel Jr.] living in Stafford, Tolland Co., CT. . . . By 1810 he is in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY >> If a Daniel Carpenter did in fact marry Judith Perry at Woodstock in 1783--I don't believe there's a record of it--he was probably not the man of Coventry, East Windsor, Stafford, Pompey, etc. There had been a family of Carpenters in Woodstock since 1692, and a Dan/Danl Carpenter appears there as head of household in the censuses of 1790 (1-1-1) and 1800 (00101-00001). Gene Z.

Hello list, I'm somewhat new to this list and was wondering if anybody could tell me how I fit into it all. The only thing I am certain of about my Carpenter ancestry is that My ggg grandmother was Marosa/Marasa (sp. Marassa in censi) Carpenter (b: 1823 in VT; d: 1861 in Berlin, St. Clair, MI; sp: Calvin Smith). Everything else I might have on my Carpenter ancestry comes from OneWorldTree and I don't have too much faith in their database. However, if there is any remote semblance of accuracy in what I have gotten from OneWorldTree, then Marosa's parents would be Samuel (James?) Carpenter (b: 1787 in VT; d: 1864 in MI) and Roxalana Roxy Newton (b: 1786 in VT; d: 1824 in VT). Samuel's parents would be Joseph Carpenter (b: 1749 in RI; d: 1829 in VT) and unknown. Joseph's parents would be Benjamin Carpenter (b: 1725 in MA; d: 1804 in VT) and unknown. Benjamin's parents would be Edward (Swanzey?) Carpenter (b: 1700 in MA; d: 1778 in MA) and Elizabeth Wilson (b: 1701/6 in Rehoboth, MA; ! d: 1791 in MA. And Edward's parents would be Benjamin Carpenter (b: 1658 in MA; d: 1727 in MA) and unknown. I have more than this from OneWorldTree, but I find it's reliability increasingly closer to nil than it already is, the further back I go. As I've been monitoring this list, I have noticed Benjamin's name and Rehoboth, MA show up in the emails quite often. So my guess is that this line I have takes things back far enough that some of you might be able to tell me how accurate it is and help me get a more concrete foothold in my Carpenter ancestry. If anybody can help me out here, I'd appreciate it. Thankyou, Michael W. Rigas

I am descended from an Eber Carpenter born in 1799 in CT who died in Highland, Oakland Co., Michigan Aug. 2, 1856. Supposedly his father was Daniel Carpenter. I suspect that the father may be Daniel Carpenter born in Coventry 9 May 1755 who married Judith Perry in Woodstock Jan 1783 and had child Judith born in Woodstock Dec. 18, 1784. In the 1790 census he seems to be living in East Windsor in Hartford Co. with 2 males under 16 and 2 females, so it would seem he had a daughter and a son. In 1800 census I find a father and son living in Stafford, Tolland Co., CT and Daniel Jr. ( 45 yrs) has 3 sons, as well as 2 daughters 0-9, another daughter 16-25 (Judith) and his wife.(under 45) I am especially interested in these children born between 1790 & 1800. By 1810 he is in Pompey, Onandago Co., NY with 3 more sons and 1 more daughter all born in CT and either Judith is still at home or Daniel has a new younger wife. In 1820 in Vienna, Oneida Co., NY, he applied for a pension for his service in the Rev. war (from Coventry CT) and claimed his wife (56) and 3 sons at home Harvey (1804) Asa (1805) and Orson (1807). Then in Feb. 1833 he requested his pension be moved to Huron Co. Ohio where he died before 1840. So I want to learn if you show any other Carpenter births or deaths or marriages that might account for my missing siblings. If we have made mistakes in this tracking, let me know. I will also request in the places mentioned. Thank you very much. Winnie Sihon

At 06:26 AM 3/11/05 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:40 AM 3/11/2005, Tim Stowell wrote: >>About 5 years ago - maybe March 2000, someone >>posted a URL relating to a family tree for the Carpenters of Rehoboth. >> >>I finally found it after rambling through 5 years of email and place >> it here again as I've found it helpful in my research. >> >>http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ryand >> >>Tim Stowell > > >I have seen this web site before, my direct line from William of Rehoboth >is completely erroneous as it is listed on this site. >The information was taken from a gedcom I submitted to Compuserve many >years ago. >I was just beginning my research and I had it wrong. >Point being, none of the info contained at this site has been checked for >accuracy...... use caution. > >Chuck I shall but it was neat to see my ancestor's name there along with his father's name - (I have a different name for his mother). At the very least it gave me something to chew on, that I had had no reference point to use before. Which reminds me of the 'fact' of checking one's facts. I once had a person who gave me a lineage that went way, way back. I asked them where they got said info. 'here and there' was the answer. I only took as truth, what they had legal documents as proof for - figuring as with the site mentioned above, it gave me at least a foothold on the past, I'd not had before. I agree with you Chuck - caution is the watchword. Tim

Searching for information on Henry Carpenter or Jonathan Fay in New York, Illinois or perhaps in between. Henry Carpenter was born in New York about 1795 and died about 1837. He married Roxana Fay in Salina, New York, about 1820. He died early, probably before the birth of the last two children (twins Augusta and Byron) b. Sep 23, 1837 in Illinois. There is conflicting information as to whether Henry even made the trip with his wife Roxanna to Illinois and whether he died in New York or Illinois or somewhere in between. She is referred to as a widow upon her arrival in DeKalb Co., Illinois. Henry Carpenter and Roxana Fay had the following family: 1 Charlotte Carpenter. Married ( ? ) Skelton and had four children. 2 Marion Carpenter was born about 1822. 3 Jerome Bonaparte Carpenter was born Sep 16, 1824. 4 Thaddeus B. Carpenter was born about 1829. 5 Wallace Fay Carpenter was born about 1832. 6 Henry Carpenter Jr. was born in New York about 1835. 7 Augusta M. Carpenter was born in Sandwich, Illinois September 23, 1837. 8 Byron Fay Carpenter was born in Sandwich, Illinois September 23, 1837. Roxanna Fay's father Jonathan Fay (b. 4/28/1774 in Hardwick, MA) and his family moved to Illinois in 1836-1837. But Jonathan died January 12, 1837. Tradition has it that he died in Chicago on his way to the "Great West". With his date of death being given as January 1837, perhaps he was traveling with his daughter Roxanna and this could also be an explanation to what happened to Henry Carpenter who also seems never to have made it to Illinois. If I can find Jonathan Fay I may also find Henry Carpenter. Jerome Carpenter says he grew up in Syracuse and Salina, New York but moved in 1837 to Illinois with his mother and family. I am descendant from Augusta M. Carpenter who married Henry Augustus Adams in Sandwich, Illinois. John Carpenter Mosher

<< Was Redway just a servant laborer or was he trained in business as an apprentice and were his tasks in Massachusetts were along business lines? Again Gene has made a class judgement for Redway without being really sure. >> Redway was illiterate: his will bears his mark in lieu of a signature, and his estate inventory is devoid of books, writing materials, etc. (see Plymouth Colony Wills, 4:2:72-73). Gene Z.

Thank you Gene, for your tremendous research, attention to detail and civil discourse in advancing our knowledge of Carpenter ancestry. Your dedicated scholarship is most appreciated and provides much new information. Hats off to both Gene and Sharyn saying it so well for all of us. Phoebe

Robin, You probably didn't notice, but when that search page "reloaded" it added a link below the alphabet line that says: CARPENTER[9733] . When you click on that it brings up an index of all Carpenters in the file. (You'd have to add a given name during your initial search to jump to a specific location in the index. For instance, "Carpenter, Hannah" would take you directly to a list of all the Hannah's in the file.) Clicking on a specific name will bring up a window with a header having these links, or an applicable portion of them: Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM | Add Post-em From those is how you get to the "trees." Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Analytix: RobinC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:22 AM Subject: Fwd: [CARPENTER] Rehoboth URL - Carpenter | Hello Carpenters: | Even allowing for inaccuracies, I'd like to take a look at this | tree. But when I click on the link, it takes NOT to a tree but to a | Rootsweb search page. And when I enter "carpenter" in the surname search | form, it just reloads to the same search page. I don't find any tree at | all. What am I missing here? | Robin | | | | >About 5 years ago - maybe March 2000, someone | >posted a URL relating to a family tree for the Carpenters of Rehoboth. | > | >I finally found it after rambling through 5 years of email and place | > it here again as I've found it helpful in my research. | > | >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ryand | > | >Tim Stowell | | |

Thank you Gene, for your tremendous research, attention to detail and civil discourse in advancing our knowledge of Carpenter ancestry. Your dedicated scholarship is most appreciated and provides much new information. Having made a significant error in my own Carpenter genealogy, I found some comfort in starting anew with my NEHGS Register. Carpenter researchers will benefit for years to come from your careful look at these mistaken identities and you are to be commended----surely it was yeoman's work. Sharyn Carpenter Herian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CARPENTER] Re: James. As I recall, this entire, tortuous, pedantic debate evolved from my having said that I favor referring to William Carpenter (b. ca. 1605; formerly of Shalbourne, England) not as Goodman William Carpenter (in that goodmen/yeomen were a dime a dozen) but as William2 of Rehoboth. It's time to let it go. Gene Z.

<< This wasn't a case of indenture, but rather a business project. The whole affair is referred to as a "partnership". James was under the same contract as the merchant Woodward. >> Semantic maneuvers don't change the facts: The partnership was between Ralph Woodward, on the one hand, and William Bladen and John Fisher, on the other. The agreement called for Woodward to purchase land in New England and develop it with the assistance of the two servants (of whom Redway was one) supplied by Woodward's Dublin partners. Woodward, his wife, daughter "& servants that he carryeth over with him shall Imploy theire endeavors & labors, for the terme of three yeares after theire Arrivall." An indenture is simply a contract. Redway's inclusion in it was as a servant, which status he already occupied; the contract put an explicit limit on the term of his remaining service. << It is inconceivable James Redway was found on a Dublin street corner and traded a ticket for his manual labor. >> Of course it is. Setting up a straw man and knocking him down doesn't advance the debate. << Surely he was at least the younger son of a respectable family . . . >> This is pure, tendentious speculation. As I recall, this entire, tortuous, pedantic debate evolved from my having said that I favor referring to William Carpenter (b. ca. 1605; formerly of Shalbourne, England) not as Goodman William Carpenter (in that goodmen/yeomen were a dime a dozen) but as William2 of Rehoboth. It's time to let it go. Gene Z.

"An indenture is simply a contract. Redway's inclusion in it was as a servant, which status he already occupied; the contract put an explicit limit on the term of his remaining service." Yes but there were indentures and indentures. We do not have a copy of his indenture, thus how can we say his contract was strictly a boat ticket-labor arrangement? Was Redway just a servant laborer or was he trained in business as an apprentice and were his tasks in Massachusetts were along business lines? Again Gene has made a class judgement for Redway without being really sure. Was Redway a servant or an apprentice? You can have the last word Gene, I am off to Florida. BC

The following two gems are from Rehoboth records: 1. "Nov. 25, 1663. Voted, that Alexander, the Irishman, a brick-maker,should be freely approved among us, for to make brick, and should have free liberty to make use of the clay and wood on the common for that purpose." 2. "May 22, 1665. Sam the Indian that keeps the cows, was admitted to the rights of citizenship within the colony." Tilton in his History of Rehboth Massachusetts cites a source that claims Sam was the only Indian admitted to the town. I would assume the same for Alexander and that any Irish were unwelcome. BC