I also wondered about the four children of Abigail Carpenter listed on the passenger list of the Bevis. In the outside column, looking like someone wrote in an after thought, it reads "Under." On the ship passenger list, does the word "under" mean : 1. They were under the price of an adult fare? 2. Does it mean they would sleep under as in below deck? 3. Does it mean they are listed "under" the parent? 4. Something else? I noticed above Abigayle, Dorothie Batt, her sister, and five children "under" tenne yeares. And still in the outside column is the word "under.' So, I would assume the word in the outside column would imply a specific meaning. Anyone know what it meant? Thanks, Donna

In reply to Robin's question, I suspect that Donna mentions only one of William and Abigail's children by name (son John) because he's the one through whom her Carpenter line passes, and that her addition of the three unnamed siblings reflects the total of four Carpenter children (incl. John) who accompanied their parents from England to Massachusetts. You'll note my instruction to "[s]ee TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order." That article ("The Family of William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts: With the English Origin of the Rehoboth Carpenters," _The American Genealogist_ 70[1995]:193-204) lists the children as follows (first five baptized at Shalbourne): 1. JOHN, bp. 8 Oct. 1626; 2. ABIGAIL, bp. 31 May 1629; 3. WILLIAM, bp. 22 Nov. 1631; 4. JOSEPH, bp. 6 April 1634; 5. SAMUEL, bp. 1 March 1636[/7], bur. Shalbourne, 20 April 1637; 6. SAMUEL (again), b. say 1638 (not 1644); 7. HANNAH, b. Weymouth, Mass., 3 2m [April] 1640; 8. ABIAH, b. Weymouth, 9 2m [April] 1643. The article includes all the facts behind the revision of the birth order presented by Amos B. Carpenter (1898) and also puts to rest the notion of a son Abraham (he didn't exist). Gene Z. In a message dated 10/25/2005 1:00:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: But here's a question (for Gene, I guess...or for anyone who has good answers): It appears that the last portion of Donna's message is saying that among the children of William (11) and Abigayle (Briant) Carpenter of Rehoboth, only ONE is known by name (John 12, b. 1628); that three others are known to exist, but not known by name.

Hello Donna (and Gene!): I am grateful for the summary of pre-Rehoboth Carpenters. Gene has posted much of this info in pieces from time to time, and it is terrific now to have such a tidy summary. But here's a question (for Gene, I guess...or for anyone who has good answers): It appears that the last portion of Donna's message is saying that among the children of William (11) and Abigayle (Briant) Carpenter of Rehoboth, only ONE is known by name (John 12, b. 1628); that three others are known to exist, but not known by name. Is my inference correct? Robin

Would you like to get that someone special a very thoughful gift for Christmas? Then now is the time to initiate the process. If you have not recently logged onto FTDNA, I would recommend anyone and everyone who is interested in DNA to log onto www.ftdna.com . From the opening screen, select your surname or that of someone special in your life. (There are currently 2388 Surname projects administered by FTDNA.) Then take a look at a surname of your choice, even start with yours, or that of a spouse, or maybe a neighbor. After selecting a name, such as Carpenter for example, then select: "members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.html" This will take you to detailed information about the particular surname selected. If you selected CARPENTER, here you will see "Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project". A similar one will appear for each of the 2388 surnames. With respect to the Carpenter surname, Table 1, provides the Carpenter Haplotype list, which lists each person who has been tested and agreed to have their DNA markers listed. However, only their ID is shown. The preceeding paragraphs of: Backgrounds; Brief Explanation; Methodology; and Results, will provide a wealth of information and could possibly answer most of your questions. At this point if your are interested in having your DNA tested or that of a spouse or some other male relative, go back to the surname page and select that surname, when the next screen comes up, simply go to the lower half of that page and you will find a form that provides the information that Family Tree DNA "FTDNA" will need to process your DNA sample. Where it lists "Type of Test" it is recommended that you select "Y-DNA25..." as this will provide you with the best DNA results at the present time. I have no connection whatso ever with FTDNA except that I had my DNA tested a few years ago by them, which allowed me to confirm some of my and other's research results. In other words, DNA helped to provide the missing link. I could prove my ancestry back to a certain individual and literally hit a brick wall. Another individual could prove his ancestry beyond my proven ancestor by four more generations. When this other individual had his DNA tested, FTDNA sent me an e-mail saying "You have a match!". those four words were worth ten times what it cost me to have my DNA tested. In addition, a little while later, just for my own edification, my half brother's son had his DNA tested. It was a perfect match. Which just proves that his father and I shared the same (father) ancestor. DNA results did not give us the name, it just helped to confirm what our documention showed via birth, marriage and death records. Lets get some activity going on these lists again. Thanks. Bob Carpenter

CARPENTERS of ENGLAND to AMERICA Listers, Gene was kind enough to help me understand the flaws in the English line of Carpenters that I always took for granted. This REALLY HELPED ME and he has given permission to post it to the list as I thought it may help others too. Below is an outline I made after reading the "Colonial Carpenters" edited by G.N. MacKenzie with added notes by Gene which start with #9 William. Thanks, Gene, for your permission to post this ! >CARPENTERS of ENGLAND TO AMERICA 1 COLONIAL CARPENTERS AS REPORT BY GEORGE N. MACKENZIE ...... 2 John CARPENTER b: Abt. 1303 in ENG Member of Parliament in 1323 age 20 .............. 3 Richard CARPENTER b: Abt. 1335 in ENG buried St Martin Outwitch Church .................... +CHRISTEA ...................... 4 John CARPENTER, Sr. b: Bet. 1350 - 1410 in * ............................... 5 John CARPENTER, Jr. b: Bet. 1400 - 1425 in * ....................................... 6 William CARPENTER b: Abt. 1440 d: 1520 ............................................. 7 James CARPENTER b: Bet. 1455 - 1515 .................................................... 8 John CARPENTER b: Bet. 1470 - 1530 ................................................................ 9 William CARPENTER b: Bet. 1510 - 1545 in * [The lineage given by MacKenzie down to this point is a repetition of that presented by Amos B. Carpenter (1898), who gives as this William's supposed sons (your nos. 10, below) only James and William (purported father of William b. ca. 1576). Both versions suffer from the absolute absence of evidence connecting this lineage to the immigrant Carpenters; most of the intergenerational links claimed above are similarly devoid of genealogical proof. More recently (1971), Raymond G. Carpenter and Harry Rogers revised this lineage, after William (your no. 6, above), as follows: Rev. Richard (said to be the brother of James [your no. 7, above]); Robert of Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire; William of Marden, Wiltshire; Robert of Marden, who they claim is the father of Richard of Amesbury and of William (born ca. 1576), father of Wm. of Rehoboth (The Carpenter Family News-Journal 1, no. 3[1971]: n. pag. [microfiche 3 of 18, FHL set no. 6,047,153; repr. in The Second Boat 1 no. 1(1980):15]). This is the version that appears on John R. Carpenter's CD, Carpenters' Encyclopedia of Carpenters, 2001. The only intergenerational connection for which there is supporting evidence, however, is that between the two Marden men. It turns out, moreover, that the lineage going back from Rev. Richard is positively nullified by the fact that the Robert named in his will is identified as his servant, not his son. Whatever the version, to say it doesn't make it so!] ....................... 10 James CARPENTER b: Bet. 1550 - 1559 in ENG inherited dad's estate ....................... 10 Alexander CARPENTER b: Abt. 1560 in ENG > Dissenter possibly went to Leyden, stopped at Yarmouth? [Alexander was of Wrington, Somersetshire; he has no known connection to the Rehoboth or Providence Carpenters, both of whose families came from Wiltshire. A connection has been fabricated, without supporting evidence of any kind, no doubt by someone eager to benefit from the fact that Alexander's daughter Alice was William Bradford's second wife.] ....................... 10 Richard CARPENTER b: Abt. 1565 in ENG "Possiblly to Amesbury" (to escape persecution [no basis for this]) Richard of Amesbury, Wiltshire, seems to have come from the neighboring parish of Newton Tony; his parentage--let alone earlier ancestry--is unknown (Zubrinsky, "Abiah3 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode Island, and His Family," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register [hereafter Register] 159[2005]:55-68, at 67, note 63). In fact all that is truly known about him appears in the 1671 deed by which William1 of Providence gives sister Frideswide the Amesbury property he inherited from from his father, whom the deed names as Richard (perhaps the Richard Carpenter buried at Amesbury on 21 Sept. 1625). (The deed, incidentally, calls William's sister Fridgswett [once] and Fridgsweete [thrice], never Fridgswith, as is so often said.) The claim that William1 of Providence and William2 of Rehoboth were first cousins--which, if true, would make brothers of this Richard and the William born ca. 1676-- is based on a debatable interpretation of certain wording in the will of William2 of Rehoboth (Register 159:64-66 [appendix 1]). It remains to be proved that the two were closely related. Again, no matter how often it is repeated, to say it doesn't make it so!] ..................................... 11 William CARPENTER b: in ENG > to America 1636 (, lived in PROVIDENCE w Roger Wms. [It is widely accepted that William1 of Providence came in mid 1635 with his wife, Elizabeth Arnold, father-in-law William Arnold, and the latter man's family. Although the Arnolds arrived in Massachusetts in 1635, there are several reasons to believe that William Carpenter did not come with them (Register 159:67-68 [appendix 2]). It's highly likely that William1 Carpenter of Providence arrived in 1636 or 1637 and married Elizabeth Arnold at Providence in the latter year (ibid.).] ....................... 10 William CARPENTER b: Abt. 1576 in ENG London>(dissenter) Wherewell>America on Bevis 1638>Wherewell [(the second e is inappropriate; the correct spelling is "Wherwell") He, his son, and the latter man's family had come from Shalbourne, Wiltshire, and were only briefly at Wherwell, Hampshire, which is on the way from Shalbourne to Northampton, their point of embarkation. This man's ancestry, beginning with his parents, is unknown. For the most complete, accurate, and current scholarship on the early Rehoboth Carpenters and their English origin, see Zubrinsky, "The Family of William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts," The American Genealogist (hereafter TAG) 70(1995):193-204. For more on Joseph3 and Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter, see Zubrinsky, "Three John Carpenters: A Chain of Mistaken Identities," Register 159:43-53, at 44-45, incl. note 13. For more on Abiah3 Carpenter and his family, see the previously cited Register article (159:55-68) in its entirety. Corrections and additions to the two Register articles will appear in the October 2005 issue.] ..................................... 11 William CARPENTER, Jr. b: Abt. 1605 in ENG, Wherewell> America 1638 on Bevis w/wife & "FOUR KIDS" d: in RI [(don't confuse with William1 of Providence; this man [William2 of Rehoboth] died at Rehoboth, on 7 February 1658[/9?]) , REHOBOTH progenitor See TAG article for more data.] .................................... +ABIGAYLE b: Abt. 1605 [She was Abigail Briant, baptized at Shalbourne 27 May 1604, daughter of John and Alice (_____) Briant; she married William Carpenter at Shalbourne 28 April 1625 (TAG article).] ....................................................... 12 John CARPENTER b: Abt. 1628 in ENG >America 1638 on Bevis with parents d: Abt. 1695 in NY, Hempstead, Long Island [He was baptized at Shalbourne, 8 October 1626 (TAG article), and died at Jamaica, Long Island, N.Y., 10 or 11 November 1694 (Herbert F. Seversmith, Colonial Families of Long Island, New York and Connecticut, 5 vols. [Washington, D.C., 1939-1958], 2:545, citing Jamaica, N.Y., Wills, A:98). If your descent is through this man, you should definitely check Seversmith, vol. 2, pp. 544-551, 1012 (FHL film 525304). But be careful: beginning with William and Abigail Carpenter (p. 551) he mostly repeats Amos B. Carpenter, with all the associated errors.] ....................................................... +Hannah HOPE b: Abt. 1628 [She was almost certainly Hannah Smith, daughter of William Smith of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Mass., and Huntington and Jamaica (L.I.), N.Y. (Seversmith, 2:544, 549-51, 1012).] ...................................................................... 13 William CARPENTER b: Abt. 1662 in NY, Long Is.>Dutchess Co. NY d: Aft. 1781 in NY, Dutchess Co. [Seversmith (2:548) gives his birth year as "about 1668" and date of death, at Hempstead (L.I.), N.Y., as 21 February 1749; res. Jamaica in 1707 (had inherited father's homestead there).] ......................................................................... +ELIZABETH b: Aft. 1684 ["She would have to be born "AFTER" 1684 if Daniel is born 1734] [Seversmith (2:548) gives no date of birth for Elizabeth or Daniel but says that the latter bought a farm in Dutchess Co., N.Y., in 1753. This, of course, implies a birth year for him no later than 1732--probably much earlier, if his father was born in the 1660s.] .............................................................................................. 14 Daniel CARPENTER b: Abt. 1734 in NY, Hempstead, Long Island >AM REV*VET d: June 13, 1814 in NY, Dutchess Co. [Sorry, can't help (except for previous paragraph).] ............................................................................................... +Esther THORNE b: Abt. 1734 d: 1809 [Can't help.] ............................................................................................................ 15 Henry CARPENTER b: in NY, Dutchess Co.? [Can't help.] .......................................................................................................................... 16 George Washington CARPENTER [Can't help.] ............................................ 12 Child of Wm "Rehoboth" CARPENTER b: Bet. 1620 - 1638 [See TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order.] ............................................ 12 Child of Wm "Rehoboth" CARPENTER b: Bet. 1620 - 1638 [See TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order.] ............................................. 12 Child of Wm "Rehoboth" CARPENTER b: Bet. 1620 - 1638 [See TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order.] End. If plain text made this difficult to read, email for me a copy. Donna Carpenter Cuzze

Q. Was Jemima, the wife of Benjamin-5 BURLINGHAM, a CARPENTER? >From Chapter 109, "The Burlingham Family" in "The Settlers of the Beekman Patent" by Frank Doherty: "Benjamin-5 BURLINGHAM (Samuel-4-3, Thomas-1, Roger-1) was poss. born in DC [Dutchess County] and m. Jemima _________ who d. 8 June 1790 in her 41st year and was bd. in the Valley View Cemetery in Dover. She was admitted into the Dover Baptist church 19 Sept. 1789... Benjamin BURLINGHAM was mentioned in the will of Sebastian WHEELER dated 21 April 1788. [Dutchess County Wills on file in the Surrogate Court, Poughkeepsie, NY; A:74]." Probably due to Benjamin BURLINGHAM's association with Sebastian WHEELER, various online records identify Jemima's maiden name as WHEELER without citing a source: http://www.longislandgenealogy.com/hulse/fam02068.htm http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=judykaye&id=I1435 9 Sebastian WHEELER's will is online at... http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/rw/localities.northam.usa.states.n ewyork.counties.dutchess/4964 Regrettably, the will does not identify any of his eight daughters by name. However, one son-in-law is identified as such and the reference to Benjamin BURLINGHAM only pertains to an outstanding financial obligation so the identification of Jemima as a WHEELER seems doubtful (although it cannot be ruled out). In reviewing the given names of the children of Benjamin & Jemima (-----) BURLINGHAM, one wonders if CARPENTER might have been Jemima's maiden name. Benjamin was of Rhode Island and ancestry and the CARPENTER family was numerous in both RI and Dutchess County. Here are the names of their children (birth order uncertain): Jemima Rebecca Elizabeth Benjamin Joseph Charles Carpenter Abraham John Martha Susannah Ruby Sarah Hannah Lavina Philip Does anyone have any CARPENTER wills, deeds, etc. with evidence to support or refute this speculation? Thanks for your help, Perry Perry Streeter (mailto:[email protected]) http://www.perry.streeter.com

Hello list I am seeking help on my Carpenter line. I've run into a wall and can't seem to find too much info on them. It starts with my Grandfather: Paul L. Carpenter (10/24/1917-8/4/1991) m Joan M. Lovett. Lived in Dauphin Co, PA his parents were: George R Carpenter b 1872 Warwick Twp, Lanc, PA m Florence M. ____? Their children: Curtis George Elwood Paul L. Florence Ruth and Verna his parents were: John Carpenter b 1827 Warwick Twp, Lanc, PA m Fanny Schmuck b 1837(married 1862) Their children: Rufus Clayton Alice Phares George R. Samuel Willice and Carrie If you can help please contact me Thank you, ED

Just taking a chance that there might be help here tho I doubt it. Barb Chase Thompson [email protected] 1. David CARPENTER-2185 was born on 22 May 1775 in , , CT. He died in Palmyra, NY and was buried in Palmyra, , , NY. Note: Palmyra is Wayne Co., NY per 11) Number 432 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. No Family listed.He was a tanner & currier by trade. BIRTH: Born in Connecticut near Port Chester, New York DEATH: He settled and died and was buried near Palmyra, NY SOURCE: Letter of his granddaughter, Mrs. Josephine G. Chappell of Rochester, NY, 1896. David married (MRIN:1013) Rachel GREENE-2138, dt. of Ambrose GREENE-3240 and Gula ELMA LESTER-5281 (MRIN:1014). Rachel was born on 15 Aug 1777 in Schodack, Rensselner, NY. She died on 18 Jun 1862, in Rochester, NY. They had the following children: i. Clarissa CARPENTER-3221 was b. on 23 Apr 1797 in Danube Twp., Herkimer, NY. ii. Harriet CARPENTER-5268 was born on 12 Jun 1798 in Danube Twp., Herkimer, NY iii. Andrew CARPENTER-5269 was born on 20 May 1801 in Danube Twp., Herk.,NY iv. Ann Maria CARPENTER-5270 was born on 23 Jul 1803 in Danube Twp., Herk.,NY v. Stephen CARPENTER-5271 was born on 17 Jul 1805 in Danube Twp., Herk., NY, (40 in 1850 Census). vi. Gula Elma CARPENTER-5272 was born on 1 Nov 1807 in Danube Twp., Herk., NY vii. Mercia CARPENTER-5273 was born on 1 Nov 1807 in Danube Twp., Herk., NY viii Ambrose G. CARPENTER-5274 was born on 28 Dec 1809 in Danube Twp., Herk., NY ix. Elizabeth CARPENTER-5275 was born on 18 Mar 1812 in Danube Twp., Herk., NY x. Sarah CARPENTER-5276 was born on 26 Feb 1814 and died on 25 Nov 1893, Danube Twp. Herk.NY xi. John CARPENTER-5278 was born on 11 Feb 1816 in Danube Twp., Herkimer, NY xii. William CARPENTER-5279 was born on 17 Aug 1817. He died on 20 Aug 1820. xiii.Felix CARPENTER-5280 was born on 25 Jul 1819. He died on 28 Jul 1820. (Per JRC, La Mesa, CA/Chappell) NOTES on CHILDREN: Per Doris Baldwin 10). There was also an Emiline. Emiline and Maria died young. She heard of John thru Mary Knott who said he came from St. Lawrence. Doris' mother Alice knew Mercia and Gula Elma and Doris has their pictures - lovely old ladies. Ambrose was Doris' grandfather Stephen's partner at the mill. (The Baldwin property, Orchard Glen, on Lincoln Mills Rd., Penfield/Perinton, 14625, Monroe Co. NY) 10). The property is located in both Penfield and Perinton which is the reason for the 2 town names given above 11). NOTES on David CARPENTER: Per Doris Baldwin 10) He was b. 1778, in Greenwich, CT, moved to Palmyra, then Rochester, NY in 1822, where 2 children died of "Genesee fever" (malaria). He returned to Palmyra and was killed driving a young pair of colts. Had 14 children. GENERATION 9 Stephen C. CARPENTER, (David) b. c. 1807, NY, 1)2), d. 19 June 1880, Perinton/Penfield, Monroe Co., NY,1) 4),m. Ambalina H. ALDRICH, dt. of Brice (Bryce) ALDRICH and Huldah HERENDEEN, on 12 May 1836, in Macedon Wayne Co., NY. The m. was performed by Frederick Smith, Esq. of Palmyra 3). Ambalina ALDRICH was b. 28 Sept 1813, Palmyra, Wayne Co., NY 1) 2), d. 5 Mar 1899, Perinton/Penfield, Monroe Co., NY 4). S. Johnston 15). Both are buried Oakwood Cemetery, Penfield, Monroe Co., NY 4), 10), 11). NOTES: Doris' family records say Stephen was b. in Little Falls, NY 10). The NY State map shows Little Falls as being 6 mi. east of the Town of Herkimer in Herkimer Co. Danube Twp is not shown 11). Doris, & 1850 census, show him born 1810, i.e.,40 in 1850, 10) 11). Doris, & 1850 census show Ambelina Aldrich b. 1815, i.e. 35 in 1850, 10 11). Chappell/LDS Records per CE CD/JRC/La Mesa, CA. show him b. 17 Jul 1805, 14) NOTES: According to the federal census schedule, Stephen C. CARPENTER owned real estate valued at only $500 in 1850. 5). By 1860, this value had increased to $6500 and his sister-in-lar, Matilda Aldrich, owned $3000 in personal property 1). This dramatic increase in property could be dut to inheritance. Stephen's father-in-law, Brice Aldrich, had died in 1854. It's also possible that a member of Stephen's own family had died leaving him property. (S.Johnston). There are some discrepancies in the birth dates for Stephen and children. The family is in the 1840 Census, and the 1850 census, lists Stephen as 40 in 1850, Charles as 12, Helen as 10, Adelia as 5 and Cassius as 2. 11/BCT). These dates coincide with the family info from Doris Baldwin except for Adelia whom she has b. 1847,10). They had the following children: i. Helen Carpenter ( Stephen CARPENTER, David), b. c. 1839, Perinton, Mon., NY5) 1) NOTES: She was b. 1840, d. 1910, m. Henry Dryer, a Civil War Vet. They lived on Elmwood Ave., Rochester, Mon. NY. They sold the Elmwood farm to realtors. Helen, whose nickname was Nell, was a teacher at the Allen Creek School, a private school in the Rochester area. 1850 census says she was 10 in 1850 supporting info fr. 10) re birth in 1840. Had dt. Alice Dryer who m. Orman Ostrom. All this info per 10) except b. c. 1839 which is per 5) 1). S. Johnston. ii. Charles L. Carpenter, (Stephen CARPENTER, David), b. 20 Nov 1841, Penfield, Monroe Co., NY, 7,8,6,9, m. Amelia Ann Dupraw, d. of John Baptist Duprat & Emily Marsac, on 28 Oct. 1863, in Milwaukee, Saginaw, Co., MI, 10, 11, He d. 6 Oct 1912 in Gerrish Twp., Roscommon Co., MI, 8,6, bur. 8 Oct. 1912, Higgins Township Cemetery, Roscommon, Roscommon Co., MI, 6). S. Johnston. NOTES: He was born 1838, his name was Charles Lionel per 10). Had 6 children per 10 - which concurs w/ S. Johnston Report. 1850 census concurs b. 1838 as age12 in 1850 Census 10). iii. Adelia Vail Carpenter, (Stephen CARPENTER, David), b. c. 1845, Penfield, Mon. Co., NY, b. 1847 d. 25 May 1914. NOTES: Was a teacher at Pinnacle Rd. School, m. Oscar B. CHASE, had 4 children, all males,10) 11). Died: 25 May 1914 per 10, 11). 1850 census concurs b. 1845 as age 5 in 1850 Census 10).11). Vail is a Carpenter Genealogy family name - I have not yet researched this 11) Have a picture of her headstone, Oscar's headstone is missing 11). Both buried Mt. Hope Cemetery, Rochester, Monroe, NY 11)

I am looking for information on Thomas Carpenter b. 1780 d. 1869 first wife was Katherine Fisher who died in 1830, and his second wife was Amy Locke-Turner b. 1797 d. 1860. I have already connected him to my 2nd great grandfather Thomas J. Carpenter b. 1841 d. 1903. Thomas Carpenter b. 1780 was born in or around NYC and died in Chemung County, NY. I am looking for any information on this person. I hope someone can help me. Thanks. Stacey R. -Cortland, NY _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Is there any one with any information on the Marriage of Myrtle Myrene Carpenter Married to Henry Wilmer in Amherst County Va? There is an Article in the #=2 EDITION of the Amherst County Hertiage Book on Page 118, BY FRED L. Fauber With this Information. Henry Wilmer Was My Grt Uncle. A T & Leona < [email protected]>

DON SANDERS if you still receive the list, this is for you: Martha Etta Malvina CARPENTER was wife of David Alonzo WOLF. Born 1878 the daughter of Mary Elizabeth RAY and James Warren CARPENTER, JR. She died in Upson County GA but was buried in ALA at the Macedonia Baptist Cemetery. Her daughter Rosa Lee WOLF married a HILL and was only 20 when she died in Upson GA. Donna Cuzze www.donnacuzze.com

This is regarding the message from Ed regarding his Carpenters (Zimmerman) born in Switzerland. The Carpenter line that I am researching is supposed to have originated in Germany. Last name originally Zimmerman. Is Zimmerman also a common name in Switzerland? I know that they share a border & along that border many speak German. Just curious. Barbara

I found a post on the Dison genforum which says : Asseneth "Sene" JORDAN b.1780/1790 married William DYSON Sene DISON is found on the Troup Co GA census as widow in 1850. Her son Thomas moved to AL and then TX. Does anyone know if Asseneth "Sene" JORDAN or William DISON had a connection to the Carpenter or Wilkins families? Thanks, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: DCUZZE To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: 1852 Dison and Carpenter Deed Hi, A generous cousin, Ginger, shared an copy of a land deed still in possession of descendants. This deed is a sale To: Asseneath DISON (wife or mother of Thomas B. DISON) From: Warren & Sarah CARPENTER Recorder: William W. WILKINS Does anyone know of a connection between the DISONs and the CARPENTERs ? ********STATE OF ALABAMA TALLADEGA COUNTY This indenture made and entered into this 3rd day of November 1952 Between Warren CARPENTER and Sarah, his wife of said state and county of the first and Asseneth DISON of Randolph County and state of Alabama of the second part that Warren and Sarah CARPENTER his wife has this day sold unto Asseneath DISON a certain tract or parcel of land known and distinguished by the S1/2 SE1/4 Sect 6 Township 18 R13 in Randolph County and of foresaid state containing 80 acres for the sum of $400 to them in hand paid before the sealing and delivering of these presents the receipt where of is here of acknowleged and the said Warren Carpenter and Sarah his wife does bind themselves, their heirs, exactrars and administrators and assign to warrant and defend the title to the above described land unto Asseneath DISON "her" heirs exactorators administrators and assigns the said Warren Carpenter and Sarah his wife will forever warrant and defend claims against themselves to the above primes(?) or the claims of any person or persons or the claims of the United States unto the said Asseneath DISON her heirs and extratory administrators and assigns. Where unto we now here unto set our hands and affects our seals the day and year _____ written signed sealed delivered in the presence of : Warren CARPENTER (seal) Sarah CARPENTER (seal) Thomas B. DISON Hezekiah FAZZIER (his mark) NOTARIZED BY: William W. WILKINS on Nov 3, 1852, JJPeace ***************************NOTES************************************** William W. Wilkins was Sarah's uncle (brother of her mother Judah Wilkins Harlan Morgan) and William W. Wilkins was married to James Warren Carpenter's sister Elizabeth. Donna Carpenter Cuzze www.donnacuzze.com ______________________________

Hi list. I have a little dilemma. And I need help. I have two Carpenter lines that I know have to connect. Just haven't found the common person(s). The first line is Emanuel Carpenter (Zimmerman) born in Switzerland and dies in Earl Twp, Lancaster Co, PA. (1702-1780) That Carpenter line ends with his daughter Barbara Carpenter (1738-1779) who married Jacob Ferree. I would like to find the connection to John Carpenter born 1827 in Warwick Twp, Lancaster Co, PA. who was married to Fanny Schmuck. I know it won't be a direct line, but I would like to find out how they fit. The first line is my Mom's Mothers side and the second is my Mom's Fathers side. Kissing Cousins I guess. If this makes any sense and someone can help me with this please e-mail me. I have more info which will probably be necessary. Thanks Best regards, ED

Karla, I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Descendnats of Wait Smith Carpenter-13407 First Generation 1. Wait Smith Carpenter-13407 was born on 18 Nov 1808 in Strafford, Orange, VT. He died on 30 May 1877 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. Number 4537 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 475. Family on page 650 (#1167) A tavern keeper. NAME: Wait, called "Wait Still" or "Wait Smith" E-MAIL: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 From: "Staudt" <[email protected]> John, Below is all I have compiled to date on descendants of Wait and Miraette (HIGBY) Carpenter. If I come across any additional I will forward it on to you. I am trying to find a living descendant of Beecher HIGBY - if you know of any through Wait and Miraette's line I would greatly appreciate being put in contact with one. I am researching an historic building in Essex Co. that Beecher designed and built. My e-mail address is [email protected] or they could write me at: Karla Staudt RR#1 Box 14 Ticonderoga, NY 12883 Thank-you for the help you've given me! I very much appreciate your time and effort. Karla ************************************************ 1 Wait Smith Carpenter b: November 18, 1808 in Strafford, , Vermont d: May 30, 1897 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York . +Miraette Higby b: September 30, 1813 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York m: February 13, 1834 d: April 28, 1892 Father: Beecher Higby Mother: Mahala Wing .... 2 Cornelia Wing Carpenter b: December 20, 1834 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York d: June 28, 1894 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York ........ +Orrin Ferris b: November 26, 1814 m: May 22, 1860 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York d: November 11, 1894 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York ........... 3 Lois D. Ferris b: June 06, 1864 ........... 3 Lewis Duane Ferris b: Abt. 1860 .... 2 Antoinette Sophie Carpenter b: 1835 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York d: 1836 .... 2 Beecher Elias Carpenter b: May 27, 1841 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York d: March 02, 1908 in Tulare, Rensselaer County , New York ........ +Julia A. Clarke m: October 21, 1874 in Syracuse, Onondaga County, New York .... 2 Antoinette Sophie Carpenter b: November 1844 in Sandy Hill, , New York d: 1922 ........ +Unknown m: October 1870 in Glens Falls, Warren County, New York .... 2 Henry Clay Carpenter b: January 21, 1859 in Saratoga, , New York d: in Tulare, Rensselaer County , New York. ************************************** Wait married (MRIN:5724) Miraette Higby-13408, daughter of Beecher Higby-13413 and Mahala Wing-13414 (MRIN:5725), on 13 Feb 1834. Miraette was born on 30 Sep 1813 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. She died on 28 Apr 1892 in Queensbury, Warren, NY. NAME: Last name in the Carpenter Memorial is HIGHBY, but this is incorrect. "Marietta HIGHBY Abt 1808 ,,VT" CENSUS: 1880 US Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Miraetta CARPENTER Self W Female W 67 NY Keeping House NY NY Antonytt HIGBY Dau W Female W 35 NY NY NY Porter HIGBY GSon S Male W 10 NY NY NY Arange FERRIS SonL M Male W 66 NY NY NY Louis D. FERRIS GSon S Male W 16 NY At School NY NY Milly H. FERRIS GDau S Female W 25 NY NY NY Cornelia W. FERRIS Dau S Female W 46 NY NY NY Ellen WELCH Other S Female W 16 IRE Servant IRE IRE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Queensbury, Warren, New York Family History Library Film 1254941 NA Film Number T9-0941 Page Number 221C . Wait and Miraette had the following children: + 2 F i. Cornelia Wing Carpenter-13409 was born on 20 Dec 1834 and died on 28 Jun 1894. 3 F ii. Antoinette Sophia Carpenter-13410 was born on 29 Jan 1837 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY and was christened in Troy, , NY. She died on 1 Mar 1838 in Saratoga Springs, , NY. Number 6621 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 650 AF has b. abt 1835 and d. abt 1836. Dates corrected per the CM. Troy,,NY as alternate birth place. 4 M iii. Henry Clay Carpenter-13412 was born on 2 Jan 1839 in Saratoga Springs, , NY and was christened on 21 Jan 1859 in Saratoga, , NY. He died on 4 Jul 1863 in Troy, Rensselaer, NY. Number 6622 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 650 AF has b. 21 Jan 1859 in Saratoga, NY. This is probably a CHR date. Birth date corrected per the CM. + 5 M iv. Beecher Elias Carpenter-13402 was born on 27 May 1841 and died on 2 Mar 1908. + 6 F v. Antoinette Sophia Carpenter-13411 was born on 6 Nov 1844 and died after 1922. Second Generation 2. Cornelia Wing Carpenter-13409 (Wait Smith) was born on 20 Dec 1834 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. She died on 28 Jun 1894 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. Number 6620 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 650 NAME: listed in one record as: "Comrlia Carpenter." CENSUS: 1880 United States Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Miraetta CARPENTER Self W Female W 67 NY Keeping House NY NY Antonytt HIGBY Dau W Female W 35 NY NY NY Porter HIGBY GSon S Male W 10 NY NY NY Arange FERRIS SonL M Male W 66 NY NY NY Louis D. FERRIS GSon S Male W 16 NY At School NY NY Milly H. FERRIS GDau S Female W 25 NY NY NY Cornelia W. FERRIS Dau S Female W 46 NY NY NY Ellen WELCH Other S Female W 16 IRE Servant IRE IRE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Queensbury, Warren, New York Family History Library Film 1254941 NA Film Number T9-0941 Page Number 221C Cornelia married (MRIN:5726) Orrin or Odrange or Arange Ferris-13431 on 22 May 1860 in Glens Falls, , NY. Orrin was born on 26 Nov 1814 in , , NY. He died on 11 Apr 1894 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. First name "ORRIN" in the Carpenter Memorial. Orrin and Cornelia had the following children: 7 F i. Milly H. Ferris-13448 was born about 1855 in , Warren, NY. Not in the Carpenter Memorial. This Lewis is "LOIS" in that record. Two records created pending further information. Census data corrected the error. Apparently she is from a previous marriage. 8 F ii. Louis D. Ferris-13449 was born on 6 Jun 1864 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. In the Carpenter Memorial under number 6620. "LOIS" in that record is "LEWIS" in the AF. Two records created pending further information. 5. Beecher Elias Carpenter-13402 (Wait Smith) was born on 27 May 1841 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. He died on 2 Mar 1908 in Troy, Rensselaer, NY. Number 6623 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 650 Family on page 739 (#1485) NAME: Middle name listed as "Elis" in one record. DEATH: DIed in Troy but which one? West Troy, Albany, New York or Troy, Rensselaer, NY? CENSUS: 1880 United States Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace B. E. CARPENTER Self M Male W 36 NY Prop Collins House NY NY Julia CARPENTER Wife M Female W 29 VT Keeping House VT VT Bessie CARPENTER Dau S Female W 4 NY NY VT Mable CARPENTER Dau S Female W 3M NY NY VT Patrick MCMAHON Other S Male W 22 NY Bartender In Cawlins House IRE IRE Marton EDGERTON Other S Male W 63 CT Clerk In R.R. Office CT CT George CLARK Other S Male W 53 ENG Inventor ENG ENG Mary A. CLARK Other Female W 48 NY --- --- Charles ROUSIAN Other S Male W 44 NY Lumber aler --- --- Merrit PARRIS Other S Male W 38 VT Stove Manf. VT VT Clark PARRIS Other S Male W 33 VT Stove Manf. VT VT Jared PARRIS Other S Male W 32 VT Stove Manf VT VT John CLAPWORTHY Other S Male W 40 ENG Supt Of Cloth Fact ENG ENG Lewis BOMAN Other S Male W 50 NY Clerk In Lumber Office NY NY John SPENCER Other S Male W 32 MA Tel Opp MA MA John VEDDIS Other S Male W 28 NY School Teacher NY NY Alfred SCOVILLE Other W Male W 60 NY Barber Master NY NY John BROWN Other S Male W 48 IRE Moulder IRE IRE John WOOD Other S Male W 28 NY Paster NY NY Ellen SULLIVAN Other S Female W 35 NY Cook In Hotel IRE IRE (Continued from B. E. CARPENTER) Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Nora MCGINN Other Female W 18 NY Chamber Maid IRE IRE Sarah KENNADY Other S Female W 20 NY Waitress In Hotel NY NY Alice GOODNENOUGH Other S Female W 20 NY Waitress In Hotel NY NY Elizabeth MCDONALD Other S Female W 17 NY Nurse IRE IRE Catharine IGOE Other S Female W 18 IRE Servant In Hotel IRE IRE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place West Troy, Albany, New York Family History Library Film 1254808 NA Film Number T9-0808 Page Number 295C Beecher married (MRIN:5723) Julia A. Clarke-13403 on 21 Oct 1874 in Syracuse, , NY. Julia was born about 1841 in Troy, Rensselaer, NY. Last name Clark in the Carpenter Memorial. Beecher and Julia had the following children: 9 F i. Bessie Williams Carpenter-13404 was born on 9 Oct 1875 in West Troy, Albany, New York. Number 7769 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 739 10 F ii. Melissa Carpenter-13405 was born about 1878 in West Troy, Albany, New York. She died about 1878 in West Troy, Albany, New York. Not in the Carpenter Memorial, but in the AF. Most likely an infant death. 11 F iii. Mable Mariette Carpenter a Twin-13406 was born on 23 Mar 1880 in West Troy, Albany, New York. She died on 3 Jan 1885 in West Troy, Albany, New York. Number 7770 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 739 NAME: Mable or Mabel. 6. Antoinette Sophia Carpenter-13411 (Wait Smith) was born on 6 Nov 1844 in Sandy Hill, , NY. She died after 1922 in Glens Falls, Warren, NY. Number 6624 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 650 After her husband died she resided in Glen Falls, NY. She is living with her mother in the 1880 US Census. Antoinette married (MRIN:5727) Lewis Edgar Higby-13432, son of Lauren Higby-13450 and Delia Adeline Wing-13451 (MRIN:5745), on 6 Oct 1870 in Glens Falls, , NY. Lewis was born on 2 Sep 1828 in Hartford Twp., Washington, NY. He died on 19 Feb 1872 in Denver, , CO. They had the following children: 12 M i. Porter Higby-13452 was born about Sep 1871 in , , NY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "inthepastlane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Bessie Melissa CARPENTER b. 23 Mar 1880 Troy, Rensselaer County, New York; d. aft 1900 >I am looking for any information on Bessie Melissa CARPENTER b. 23 Mar 1880 >in Troy, Rensselaer County, New York. > > She was the daughter of Beecher and Julia (CLARKE) CARPENTER. > > Bessie was living in 1892 at the time of her grandmother's death, and the > 1900 census information for her parents shows 1 child born, 1 living. I > do not find Bessie in the 1900 census under Carpenter, so I am assuming > that she was married at that time. > > I have a lot of Bessie's ancestry to share. > > Thank-you for any help you can offer, > > Karla > [email protected] >

Hi, A generous cousin, Ginger, shared an copy of a land deed still in possession of descendants. This deed is a sale To: Asseneath DISON (wife or mother of Thomas B. DISON) From: Warren & Sarah CARPENTER Recorder: William W. WILKINS Does anyone know of a connection between the DISONs and the CARPENTERs ? ********STATE OF ALABAMA TALLADEGA COUNTY This indenture made and entered into this 3rd day of November 1952 Between Warren CARPENTER and Sarah, his wife of said state and county of the first and Asseneth DISON of Randolph County and state of Alabama of the second part that Warren and Sarah CARPENTER his wife has this day sold unto Asseneath DISON a certain tract or parcel of land known and distinguished by the S1/2 SE1/4 Sect 6 Township 18 R13 in Randolph County and of foresaid state containing 80 acres for the sum of $400 to them in hand paid before the sealing and delivering of these presents the receipt where of is here of acknowleged and the said Warren Carpenter and Sarah his wife does bind themselves, their heirs, exactrars and administrators and assign to warrant and defend the title to the above described land unto Asseneath DISON "her" heirs exactorators administrators and assigns the said Warren Carpenter and Sarah his wife will forever warrant and defend claims against themselves to the above primes(?) or the claims of any person or persons or the claims of the United States unto the said Asseneath DISON her heirs and extratory administrators and assigns. Where unto we now here unto set our hands and affects our seals the day and year _____ written signed sealed delivered in the presence of : Warren CARPENTER (seal) Sarah CARPENTER (seal) Thomas B. DISON Hezekiah FAZZIER (his mark) NOTARIZED BY: William W. WILKINS on Nov 3, 1852, JJPeace ***************************NOTES************************************** William W. Wilkins was Sarah's uncle (brother of her mother Judah Wilkins Harlan Morgan) and William W. Wilkins was married to James Warren Carpenter's sister Elizabeth. Donna Carpenter Cuzze www.donnacuzze.com

_Click here: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/orange/deeds/s/smith-carpenter.txt_ (http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/orange/deeds/s/smith-carpenter.txt) re. Thomas T. Carpenter Orange Co. NY

I am looking for any information on Bessie Melissa CARPENTER b. 23 Mar 1880 in Troy, Rensselaer County, New York. She was the daughter of Beecher and Julia (CLARKE) CARPENTER. Bessie was living in 1892 at the time of her grandmother's death, and the 1900 census information for her parents shows 1 child born, 1 living. I do not find Bessie in the 1900 census under Carpenter, so I am assuming that she was married at that time. I have a lot of Bessie's ancestry to share. Thank-you for any help you can offer, Karla [email protected]

Recently received a copy of a letter written 1909 which refers to the death of ROBERT CARPENTER. The letter says Robert went to Atlanta GA for a "gravel?" operation and did not make it. Author of the letter wrote it in Bear Creek Marion AL and sent it to Clay County AL. The author of the letter previously lived in Fayette/Carroll Co GA. I think he "might" be the son of Thomas M. Carpenter and is the one who was living with his sister Mary (Carpenter) TANNER in 1900 census Carroll Co GA. If anyone knows of a Robert CARPENTER who died 1909 and lived in the ALA - GA area, please let me know. Thank you, Donna Carpenter Cuzze [email protected]

Summary of VA deeds for Conrad, Elizabeth & Adam Carpenters............ ______________________________________________________________ VIRGINIA STATE LAND GRANTS : Warrant #1283 dated Oct 15, 1779 surveyed 1787. ELIZABETH, CONRAD & ADAM CARPENTERs executors of JOHN CARPENTER, (dcsd.) granted 41 acres on the Hanging Fork of Licks River in LINCOLN COUNTY VA. For the uses expressed in the will of John assignee of JOHN MILLER [maybe Nutter]. Land is bounded by ISAAC SHELBY's Settlement (Military Survey) and JAMES GIVENS. Document to be housed in Richmond. Signed Nov 16, 1791 ________________________________________ VIRGINIA STATE LAND GRANTS : WARRANT #163 issued March 16, 1780 Surveyed Feb. 1786 . Land is granted to ELIZABETH, ADAM and CONRAD CARPENTERs, executors of JOHN CARPENTER (decsd) for the uses and purpose as stated in the will. 231 Acres lying in the county of LINCOLN on the South Fork of the Rolling Fork of SALT RIVER. Land is bounded by ADAM CARPENTER's Survey of 270 acres and crossing the OLD CUMBERLAND TRACE FORK OF THE CREEK . Document to be housed in Richmond. Signed Nov 16, 1791 _______________________________________________ Summary transcribed by Donna Carpenter Cuzze www.donnacuzze.com/genealogy/index2.html