It goes without saying we are talking about the ONLINE WILLS PROJECT which has been "online" since December, 2006. Duh!!!!! BC

Mr. Greenwood is still bewildered. Would he please go to the project news page at: http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/access-to-records/witshire-and-swindon-record-office/wsro-wiltshire-wills-project.htm and then please read the project headlines which I have copied below. "Wiltshire Wills Project Top The catalogue of Wiltshire Wills goes live - December 2006" Sincerely, Bruce Carpenter

AMEN!! I seem to remember, just a few days ago, about negativsim on the board. Maybe the two of you could have your disagreements off the board?? -----Original Message----- >From: Brad & Bonnie Kershaw <bkershaw@hughes.net> >Sent: Aug 17, 2007 2:45 PM >To: carpenter@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment > >Mr. Greenwood and Mr. Carpenter, >I rarely speak up, but feel compelled after reading many rounds of your >sparring. Would you two please grow up and stop bickering? > >There are many levels of research and some researchers do have to rely on >the internet. I for one, have found some very interesting and reliable >information there among the drivel that is inevitable. I have also gleaned >much information (some turned out to be incorrect, but that, too, is >inevitable) from these email postings. At some point in the future, I hope >to do more hard copy research, but in the meantime, I'm tired of this >seemingly interminable argument. > >Bonnie > >-----Original Message----- >From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of David Greenwood >Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:08 PM >To: carpenter@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment > >Mr. Carpenter is now bewildered. The catalogue of >wills went "live" on-line in December 2006, but >they were available to serious researchers long >before that, and in fact I have copies dating >from 1992. There is so much more to real >research than surfing the internet, for those who >are not hindered by a personal bias against work >that meets professional standards for truth and >accuracy. > >Sincerely, >David Greenwood > >--- "Bruce E. Carpenter" ><carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > >> Mr. Greenwood is still bewildered. Would he >> please go to the project news >> page at: >> >> >http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/access-to-records/witshire-a >nd-swindon-record-office/wsro-wiltshire-wills-project.htm >> >> and then please read the project headlines >> which I have copied below. >> >> "Wiltshire Wills Project >> Top >> The catalogue of Wiltshire Wills goes live - >> December 2006" >> >> Sincerely, >> Bruce Carpenter >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >________ >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel >and lay it on us. >http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Thats good info to know John ,Thank you. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Carpenter (JRC)" <jrcrin001@cox.net> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] re. Carpenter - You are both right Hello, You are both right. Many English "shire" genealogical or historical groups have provided will information for decades. This includes the work by Mr. Hidden. More and more data is being collated from different sources and placed on line weekly. There are several different web pages that have wills and other documents in England. This includes, "... Wiltshire Wills goes live - December 2006." Please remember that when sharing Carpenter data and sources that some websites require passwords and payment. Please cite that when sharing. Most people can not afford to pay for all that which is out there. When sharing restricted sites or data from semi or private sources, cite (copy & paste or write) the critical portion. This is like providing a written review. Reviews, critques and such are allowable under the "Fair Use" portion of Copyright Law. Do not forget to tell the reader where the data came from. For example the following is cited as if under the Fair Use clause: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 "§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use 38 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include - (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors." I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenwood" <daveyg33@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] re. Carpenter > Mr. Carpenter is confused. The Wiltshire wills > have been available long enough for Mr. Hidden to > transcribe them and put them on his page by 1998, > and the images have been online since at least > 2004. An ongoing opportunity, dating back quite > some time. Treating with caution is indeed good > advice whenever dealing with someone whose > research may be biased by an arrogant disregard > for facts. > > David > Washington, DC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that all these remarks ,including mine need to be sent directly to the person that you are speaking about,I apologize for sending mine public and not straight to the person them self's. Thats how we lose people from our list,It is ok to argue or disagree,but it should be done between the two people involved. Thank you. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <genwrite@aol.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment > Thanks Bonnie and I seond that.??? > > > Always, Meralyn > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment > > > > Mr. Greenwood and Mr. Carpenter, > I rarely speak up, but feel compelled after reading many rounds of your > sparring. Would you two please grow up and stop bickering? > > There are many levels of research and some researchers do have to rely on > the internet. I for one, have found some very interesting and reliable > information there among the drivel that is inevitable. I have also gleaned > much information (some turned out to be incorrect, but that, too, is > inevitable) from these email postings. At some point in the future, I hope > to do more hard copy research, but in the meantime, I'm tired of this > seemingly interminable argument. > > Bonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of David Greenwood > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:08 PM > To: carpenter@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment > > Mr. Carpenter is now bewildered. The catalogue of > wills went "live" on-line in December 2006, but > they were available to serious researchers long > before that, and in fact I have copies dating > from 1992. There is so much more to real > research than surfing the internet, for those who > are not hindered by a personal bias against work > that meets professional standards for truth and > accuracy. > > Sincerely, > David Greenwood > > --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" > <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > >> Mr. Greenwood is still bewildered. Would he >> please go to the project news >> page at: >> >> > http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/access-to-records/witshire-a > nd-swindon-record-office/wsro-wiltshire-wills-project.htm >> >> and then please read the project headlines >> which I have copied below. >> >> "Wiltshire Wills Project >> Top >> The catalogue of Wiltshire Wills goes live - >> December 2006" >> >> Sincerely, >> Bruce Carpenter >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel > and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That is what I thought you have said all along Bruce, I guess Mr. Greenwood was mistaken as to what you meant, and jumped in prematurely, But that's ok .We forgive him for that. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <Carpenter-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Greenwoodusion 2 > It goes without saying we are talking about the ONLINE WILLS PROJECT which > has been "online" since December, 2006. Duh!!!!! > > BC > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Bonnie and I seond that.??? Always, Meralyn Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment Mr. Greenwood and Mr. Carpenter, I rarely speak up, but feel compelled after reading many rounds of your sparring. Would you two please grow up and stop bickering? There are many levels of research and some researchers do have to rely on the internet. I for one, have found some very interesting and reliable information there among the drivel that is inevitable. I have also gleaned much information (some turned out to be incorrect, but that, too, is inevitable) from these email postings. At some point in the future, I hope to do more hard copy research, but in the meantime, I'm tired of this seemingly interminable argument. Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Greenwood Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:08 PM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment Mr. Carpenter is now bewildered. The catalogue of wills went "live" on-line in December 2006, but they were available to serious researchers long before that, and in fact I have copies dating from 1992. There is so much more to real research than surfing the internet, for those who are not hindered by a personal bias against work that meets professional standards for truth and accuracy. Sincerely, David Greenwood --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > Mr. Greenwood is still bewildered. Would he > please go to the project news > page at: > > http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/access-to-records/witshire-a nd-swindon-record-office/wsro-wiltshire-wills-project.htm > > and then please read the project headlines > which I have copied below. > > "Wiltshire Wills Project > Top > The catalogue of Wiltshire Wills goes live - > December 2006" > > Sincerely, > Bruce Carpenter > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Mr. Greenwood and Mr. Carpenter, I rarely speak up, but feel compelled after reading many rounds of your sparring. Would you two please grow up and stop bickering? There are many levels of research and some researchers do have to rely on the internet. I for one, have found some very interesting and reliable information there among the drivel that is inevitable. I have also gleaned much information (some turned out to be incorrect, but that, too, is inevitable) from these email postings. At some point in the future, I hope to do more hard copy research, but in the meantime, I'm tired of this seemingly interminable argument. Bonnie -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Greenwood Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:08 PM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: [CARPENTER] Brucewilderment Mr. Carpenter is now bewildered. The catalogue of wills went "live" on-line in December 2006, but they were available to serious researchers long before that, and in fact I have copies dating from 1992. There is so much more to real research than surfing the internet, for those who are not hindered by a personal bias against work that meets professional standards for truth and accuracy. Sincerely, David Greenwood --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > Mr. Greenwood is still bewildered. Would he > please go to the project news > page at: > > http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/access-to-records/witshire-a nd-swindon-record-office/wsro-wiltshire-wills-project.htm > > and then please read the project headlines > which I have copied below. > > "Wiltshire Wills Project > Top > The catalogue of Wiltshire Wills goes live - > December 2006" > > Sincerely, > Bruce Carpenter > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mr. Carpenter is now bewildered. The catalogue of wills went "live" on-line in December 2006, but they were available to serious researchers long before that, and in fact I have copies dating from 1992. There is so much more to real research than surfing the internet, for those who are not hindered by a personal bias against work that meets professional standards for truth and accuracy. Sincerely, David Greenwood --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > Mr. Greenwood is still bewildered. Would he > please go to the project news > page at: > > http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/access-to-records/witshire-and-swindon-record-office/wsro-wiltshire-wills-project.htm > > and then please read the project headlines > which I have copied below. > > "Wiltshire Wills Project > Top > The catalogue of Wiltshire Wills goes live - > December 2006" > > Sincerely, > Bruce Carpenter > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7

Hello, You are both right. Many English "shire" genealogical or historical groups have provided will information for decades. This includes the work by Mr. Hidden. More and more data is being collated from different sources and placed on line weekly. There are several different web pages that have wills and other documents in England. This includes, "... Wiltshire Wills goes live - December 2006." Please remember that when sharing Carpenter data and sources that some websites require passwords and payment. Please cite that when sharing. Most people can not afford to pay for all that which is out there. When sharing restricted sites or data from semi or private sources, cite (copy & paste or write) the critical portion. This is like providing a written review. Reviews, critques and such are allowable under the "Fair Use" portion of Copyright Law. Do not forget to tell the reader where the data came from. For example the following is cited as if under the Fair Use clause: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 "§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use 38 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include - (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors." I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenwood" <daveyg33@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] re. Carpenter > Mr. Carpenter is confused. The Wiltshire wills > have been available long enough for Mr. Hidden to > transcribe them and put them on his page by 1998, > and the images have been online since at least > 2004. An ongoing opportunity, dating back quite > some time. Treating with caution is indeed good > advice whenever dealing with someone whose > research may be biased by an arrogant disregard > for facts. > > David > Washington, DC

Mr. Carpenter is confused. The Wiltshire wills have been available long enough for Mr. Hidden to transcribe them and put them on his page by 1998, and the images have been online since at least 2004. An ongoing opportunity, dating back quite some time. Treating with caution is indeed good advice whenever dealing with someone whose research may be biased by an arrogant disregard for facts. David Washington, DC --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > Mr. Greenwood is confused. The 1998 Hidden > transcriptions of the Wiltshire > wills is an entirely different project than the > online presentation of the > Wiltshire wills images, which is quite recent. > This is an important point > because Mr. Hidden's transcriptions are his > alone and grew out of an > interest in his own family history. They should > be treated with caution, > although his efforts were unbelievable. In > addition not all the Carpenter > references from the collection are represented > in the Hidden > transcriptions which is another point to keep > in mind. In short the online > images will be an ongoing opportunity for > English Carpenter study. > > > Bruce, > Clinton, WA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433

Mr. Greenwood is confused. The 1998 Hidden transcriptions of the Wiltshire wills is an entirely different project than the online presentation of the Wiltshire wills images, which is quite recent. This is an important point because Mr. Hidden's transcriptions are his alone and grew out of an interest in his own family history. They should be treated with caution, although his efforts were unbelievable. In addition not all the Carpenter references from the collection are represented in the Hidden transcriptions which is another point to keep in mind. In short the online images will be an ongoing opportunity for English Carpenter study. Bruce, Clinton, WA

"Gene Zubrinksy, John Chandler, Terry Lee Carpenter and to a much lesser extent I, have reviewed many English Carpenter wills when they started coming on line in 2004." The wills you are refering to above are PCC wills. The wills on the Wiltshire site are different, only lately available and more difficult to read. BC

Hello, 1) The following link has a sample of the Public Record Office (PRO) Wills that are available. This one for Sir Thomas Carpenter, Priest - reference RIN 14700 of the CE CD 2001. http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/Will%20of%20Sir%20Thomas%20Carpenter%20Priest%20RIN%2014700%20118.pdf Those are hard to read. 2) Those 12 wills at the link you provided has only one Carpenter will and the others are witnesses or similar. The link you provided is: http://www.moonrakers.org.uk/md/Probate-Docs/waix0.html For a sample what is on the site you provided - Carpenters only - see: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/Wills%20on%20line%20probate%20documents%20at.doc 3) For the first link you provided - shows 181 wills of those surnamed Carpenter. See your message below. http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/wills_search.php Many reference only the following info: Example from P1/C/105 CatalogueCatalogue Title P1Probate records of the Consistory Court of Salisbury Ref No.P1/C/105 Alt Ref NoP1/C/105 TitleInventory, will Date1620 PersonCarpenter, Robert OccupationYeoman Place Key/Newton Tony/Wiltshire CommunityNewton Tony Image of Will - If Available When a copy of the will is available it is often the same as the one provided by the PRO (Public Record Office). And many for these, we have copies or cites from different sources. And the will copies are the same in difficulty for reading. This despite the web site. What is nice, is that the price of viewing the images is free. Yes, there are more wills than listed before and they will be reviewed. Especially the P4 series. See: http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/Wills%20at%20the%20Wilshire.doc John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA PS The links I provided on my web site are temporary and provided for reference & research. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> To: <Carpenter-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: [CARPENTER] Wills 3 > "Gene Zubrinksy, John Chandler, Terry Lee Carpenter and to a much lesser > extent I, have reviewed many English Carpenter wills when they started > coming on line in 2004." > > The wills you are refering to above are PCC wills. The wills on the > Wiltshire site are different, only lately available and more difficult to > read. > > BC

For wills transcription see: http://www.moonrakers.org.uk/md/Probate-Docs/waix0.html Bruce Clinton,WA

So do I -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Stewart Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 5:22 AM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 151 John I also receive and read the postings. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johnlsaywhat@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:00 AM To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 151 We have currently 290 members I can't say where everyone is from That is confidential info on is not avail to me. I just have a list of e mail addresses ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I open the link to the wills on the Wiltshire site, at the bottom of the page it says, "Copyright © 1998, Nick Hidden [Last revised 25 Oct 1998]". On most standard calendars, 2004 is more recent than 1998. I might also add that, for most of us, the original script of the PCC wills is considerably more difficult to read than the standard English on the Wiltshire site. DG --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > "Gene Zubrinksy, John Chandler, Terry Lee > Carpenter and to a much lesser > extent I, have reviewed many English Carpenter > wills when they started > coming on line in 2004." > > The wills you are refering to above are PCC > wills. The wills on the > Wiltshire site are different, only lately > available and more difficult to > read. > > BC > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/

Anita, Gene Zubrinksy, John Chandler, Terry Lee Carpenter and to a much lesser extent I, have reviewed many English Carpenter wills when they started coming on line in 2004. Yes, they are hard to read with old style writing and verbiage. It takes patience and more patience to read them. A review of these wills found a significant error in the Carpenter English ancestry in 1984. Please see the following link from Dec 1984 for more details. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/FILE/0041text.txt The following link shows some of the English wills reviewed as of July 2004. http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/English%20Wills%2024%20July%202004.doc As time and more new wills come online, we will review more of them. They cost 3.50 English pounds (about $7.00 US) to download. Sharing the information reduces the research costs. If anyone has down loaded one of the Carpenter wills that are not on the list, please forward me a copy. I will make sure that the Carpenter Will researchers listed above have a chance to review it. Maybe it will be the "one" most needed! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm Donations to the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project can be made at: http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html Carpenter CD Project Update http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/index.html

Thanks for responding Tim: Theda was documented as being born in De Ruyter, N.Y., That is probably where she and Milton married, but no records found there for their marriage.? 1823 or so they moved to Chenango Co., NY and then on to Cattaragus county where with Milton's brother Sheffield founded the Main Settlement at East Portville New York.? A cousin has said that he found her parents being Joseph?Carpenter, and there is an H.C. Carpenter in the Main Settlement cemetery, which we believe is Harriett C. Carpenter, however no one can give me concrete documentation, or tell me anything about her family.? I do know she had a sister Anna or Keziah, (maybe Keziah Anna) who was one of the first teachers at Main Settlement or Portville.? There is also a Daniel Carpenter who served in the civil war, buried at Main Settlement who married a Mary Thompson, they had a daughter Anna, but I can't tie Theda to this family either.?? I have done all the reserach I can from here and have not been able to make the tri! p to Portville or De Ruyter to do one on one research there.? However, maybe some of our good Carpenter cousins can give me some clues as to where I can do further research.? Thanks so much, Always, Meralyn Ok, then let me rephrase - when did Mr. Main marry Ms. Carpenter and do you know where? That in itself may give a clue as to her parentage. Tim At 12:06 AM 8/14/07 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, Tim , he is, but the line I have as a brick wall is his wife Theda Carpenter.? The Mains are documented back to the Plymouth colony and the Boston, Maine areas in the 1600's.? Would appreciate anything anyone has one this Carpenter line.?? Thanks . > >Always, Meralyn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >To: carpenter@rootsweb.com >Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:05 pm >Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] List membership - Main > >At 11:57 PM 8/11/07 -0400, you wrote: >>My Carpenters came from New York and possibly Ct.? I'm still looking for >the parenage of Theda Carpenter, married to Milton Maxson Main. >> >>Always, Meralyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Larry wrote: > This message is for the DNA group. My ggGrandfather was John N. Carpenter > born in Claiborne Co., TN about 1830. His father was Peterson Carpenter, > born TN 1804, probable son of Abner Carpenter, born 1781 in Amherst Co., VA. We do have one claimed descendant of Abner in the project. You can see his lineage on the project lineage page -- he is #23381 in Group 7. Unfortunately, the parentage for Abner is only a guess, slightly enhanced by the DNA, but still just a guess. By the way, when you say "probable son of Abner", that sounds as if you need more evidence. One way to get more is to track down a male-line descendant of Peterson Carpenter and get him to take the DNA test. As it happens, #23381 has a mutation which might (or might not) be shared by other descendants of Abner. If your Carpenter cousin not only belongs to Group 7, but also shares this mutation, it would be a very positive piece of evidence to add to whatever you have so far. Even just finding that he is a member of Group 7 would be positive -- and of course, the alternative finding (i.e., if he is *not* in Group 7) would show that there is a problem in the genealogy somewhere. John Chandler