This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UiH.2ACIB/173.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Karelle, We have so many questions and not enough answers, I'm afraid. Firstly, I was going to send you the only picture of Patrick Carmody I have, a bad photocopy of an old photo. I think it comes form a photo album that an old cousin of my father has, but he's hanging on to it! Sadly Ancestry only allows Gedcom or graphics files attachments, so we may have to exchange private e-mails for you to get a copy. The photocopy is of the whole page of the album, and Patrick's picture is between those of Mary Carmody [nee Hoy, Tom's wife] and Margaret Brigdale [nee Carmody] so i think that indicates he was one of the family. The photo of Patrick was taken in Toowoomba, so when I go looking at microfiches on Saturday, I'll have a good look for any sign that Patrick and Mary Jane married in Queensland, or that Patrick died there. However, the caption to his photo reads: "Patrick Carmody born Bathurst died ?Moree". I hear from other relatives that the librarian at Moree is very helpful on family history matters, so we may be able to write to her to find if Patrick did indeed die at Moree and if we could get his death certificate, we could then see if we have the same Patrick! Apart from the one photo, I don't have any other defining evidence for Patrick being the son of Patrick and Bridget but I did a lot of thinking about it yesterday, and I think that I have circumstantial evidence, as Margaret Carmody, and her husband [William] Michael Brigdale were living in the Wellingrove area, the same time as Patrick and Mary Jane. The Brigdales were having children at the same time as Patrick and Mary Jane, but also left the area at about the same time. Michael and Margaret Brigdale's children were; 1. Richard Blake Brigdale b 1870 Armidale - d after 1906 NSW m 1892 Paddington, Sydney Myrtle Lillian Kentwell [b 28 Mar 1873 - d 26 Mar 1954] 2. Maud E. Brigdale b abt 1871 Armidale area - d 4 July, 1911 Wickham, Newcastle. Maud did not marry. 3. Hugh Brigdale b 1872 - d 1875 Wellingrove 4. Clara Agnes Brigdale b 1875 Wellingrove - d 1881 Paddington, Sydney 5. George A. W. Brigdale b 1877 Vegetable Creek - d 4 May 1948 Newcastle m Ellen Curran 1917 Hamilton, Newcastle 6. Twins Mark & Mabel Brigdale b 1879 Paddington, Sydney I have no more infromation on Mabel, but I think that Percival M. Brigdale, who died in Paddington, Sydney, in 1879 was probably on e and the same person as Mark. On the subject of twins, there is a strong history of non-identical twins in the Carmody family, so if any have popped up in your family, it may be indirect evidence of kinship. So to my branch - I am a great grandaughter of Tom Carmody and Mary Hoy. they married on "Wirrah" Station, near Moree on 3 March, 1864. Early on in their marriage, they had a hotel called "The Sportsman Arms" at Bungle Gully, Come-by-Chance. Later they moved to Wee Waa and ran another hotel there. Tom moved on to manage "Curragundi " Station where he stayed 9 years. He then took up a selection "Edithville", where he stayed another 9 years. Later the family moved to Mungindi, where many of his descendants still live. Their children are; 1. Frank b 17 Apr 1865 NSW - d 11 Aug 1936 QLD Frank did not marry. 2. Amy E. b1867 - d 1869 Wee Waa 3. Amy Valentine b 14 Feb 1869 Wee Waa - d 8 July 1948 Cardiff, Newcastle m 1892 Moree District, Arnott Leslie [b1864 - d 1945] 4. Annie Myra b 1871 Warialda - d 3 Dec 1960 Mungindi m 10 Dec 1897 ?Queensland, Edward Terence Carlon [b abt1869 - d 1916] 5. Thomas b 1874 Warialda - d 8 Oct 1930 Mitchell, QLD m ? Kitty ?Queensland 6. John b 17 May 1876 Wee Waa - d 1956 Gunnedah m 1907 Moree District Winifred Carlile [b 14 Aug 1876 - d abt June 1965] 7. Edith Mary b 3 Aug 1878 "Curragundi" Station, Warialda - d 2 July 1968 Sydney m 8 Jan 1908 Sydney William Henry Joseph Kirby [b 23 Feb 1877 - d 2 July 1949] 8. Fanny Elizabeth b 1881 Warialda - d abt 1965 Sydney] 1. Partner William James Noud [b 1881 - 14 May 1917 The Somme] 2. m in 1920s E. Lake [b? d?] 9. Wilfred Clarence b 1884 Narrabri - d abt 1958 NSW m 28 Apr 1908 Moree District, Ida F. Adams [b 1887 - d?]